I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia 2

On July 24 2013 18:49 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't like FirmTofu. Look at this first postHere he seems to think the VT claim is really random but doesn't really go too much into it. Doesn't actually push the issue nor does he seem to think it is alignment indicative in any way, But look how he reacts after it becomes clear that Rayn is suspicious of ShiaoPi
Its like he wanted to test the waters with the first post and then when he saw an opportunity in rayn's post he just jumped on it. This was ShiaoPi's only post at the time and he didn't post anything in between the two posts of FirmTofu, yet it takes Firm 1 hour and 20 minutes to say that he is suspicious of ShaioPi as well. And he was still in the thread during these 80 minutes. he just didn't comment on the matter.

##Vote: FirmTofu

On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie.

On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

FirmTofu or Sylencia.

On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far.

On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:


I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.

On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote:
Important

I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day.

That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts?

On July 25 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Don't discuss games in progress period is the general rule. If it's a finished game, quote away.

On July 25 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:

This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that?

On July 25 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Ow, and Koshi's play is really random. Could very well be scum also. All his reads are bonkers (though I don't put too much weigh in that) but he doesn't actually spend any time at all pushing them. Both his scum reads, rayn and Malango, he just dropped a quick post saying why he thought they were scum and then nothing. But it's not like he is afk or anything. We still had a chat in our QT for some time.

Koshi, if Rayn and Malango really are scum, why don't you try to convince us that they are?

On July 26 2013 01:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
@koshi:
what makes FT so town that you are willing to just sheep his vote? what happened to your own scumreads?

On July 26 2013 01:44 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP: Koshi tell me what exactly makes FT town in his filter.....There is also more than just the kenpachi rule

On July 26 2013 01:45 Rainbows wrote:
Koshi how is this town?



Throw shit, all the places!

On July 26 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:
I almost think Koshi is too obviously scummy to be scum. Like who says "Yeah I personally dislike him, and have no read on him. Therefore I want to lynch him." as scum? Like that's just too red.

On July 26 2013 01:03 Koshi wrote:
FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e.

On July 26 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote:


I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ?????

On July 26 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi is not this stupid. I know it for a fact because i am masoned with him in Sicilian. Wtf are you doing Koshi, are you scum?

On July 26 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what separates Dandel from Artanis?

On July 26 2013 02:05 ShiaoPi wrote:


what? you dont have the right to start a wagon? You do realize you should just lynch/vote for the target you think is the scummiest???? You are starting to look scummier and scummier....If artanis is so scummy why dont you just vote him? I dont even understand

On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?

Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi

On July 26 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.

On July 26 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?

On July 26 2013 07:41 Z-BosoN wrote:


Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post?

On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that?

Currently:
Sylencia
Koshi

On July 26 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis what's your stance on Syl/Koshi?

Lazer, have you seen Koshi play scum? Your townread on him is based on extremely weak and wrong reasons.

On July 26 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.

On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with.

Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.

On July 26 2013 07:58 Z-BosoN wrote:


That's not the main point I want you to respond to. He's not contradicting himself. It's hints that he is not reading the thread and the changes of tonality in his views on me.

On July 26 2013 08:27 Z-BosoN wrote:


What I don't understand from you is your play. When I defended Artanis, you agreed and were happy that artanis came out to play, and that you wanted to switch your vote, even when he went for lazer.

Now, without contributing to the artanis discussion me and lazer are having, you say you are fine with artanis (when earlier you wanted to switch from him) and you gave your reasoning based on the fact that he went for razer, when he had already done that when you expressed your intention to switch targets!!.

You state you have two other reads you are contemplating of switching to, but then you don't push, don't enter the merit of discussion, and leave your vote on artanis.

Your play makes zero sense.

On July 26 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:
My favorite lynch targets:
1. Raynpelikoneet (Chaotic wrong)
2. Z-BosoN (Lawful wrong)
3. Stutters695 (Neutral wrong)

On July 27 2013 05:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
Haha, what was that thing with stutters all about? Were you actually trying to set a trap or did you really think that that was the scum team? If so, you did really really well!

On July 27 2013 05:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
The thing is, Sylencia really just won us the game with that shot. Had it not gone off, it would just have been the standard D1 misslynch with a bunch of guys looking semi bad. But with this shot, Rayn was really, truly fucked for example. And Z-Boson went from one of the guys no one had suspected to the guy who was quite suspicous.

On July 27 2013 05:19 FirmTofu wrote:

Yes please.

On July 16 2013 13:05 FirmTofu wrote:
FirmTofu's MegaKickstarting Post:

Hey y'all! I know I've been waiting for this game for a long time and I'm sure you all have as well. This game is somewhat non-standard, so there are a few things I'd like to address before we get started.


Because this setup is closed, we have to make sure we do not make any unnecessary assumptions that center around speculation about the roles. Speculation is largely a waste of time given the amount of information provided in the OP, so we should stick to the basics. Additionally, we definitely should not be directing blue roles that we aren't even sure exist.

Big Plays: If you think of some mastermind play that you think will fool mafia and confuse them, please don't use it. As brilliant as your plan may be, a closed setup has too many variables to account for and your plan could potentially confuse the town more than the mafia.

Lying: If you are town, DO NOT lie. If all of town follows this rule, we can separate town and mafia into two distinct categories, liars and non-liars, respectively. We can lynch liars without fear of them flipping town AS LONG AS every town member strictly adheres to this rule.

The Traitor:

5 mafia, 1 traitor. Anyone up for some math?
5/24=0.20833333333
(5+1)/24=0.25

The one traitor adds about 4% to the strength of the team. As the game progresses, the denominator gets lower. Assuming we don't get insanely lucky, the percentage of mafia will increase over time. The influence of the traitor will start to compound and he will become a greater threat.

We obviously need to keep an eye out for the traitor, but specifically hunting for him in the early days will be a waste of resources, in my opinion.

How to catch the traitor!
The traitor might get antsy and try to drop a few hints for mafia to pick up (to try and join them). We need to stay vigilant to find these subtle hints and make sure we call them out as soon as we see them.

PMs:
I'm thinking that we should choose our best town reads as PM targets. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with this mechanic, so if a more experienced player can give his thoughts about it, that would be great. This goes without saying, but remember to choose your pm targets wisely! This means NOT wasting both of your choices on Day 1 based on weak reads.

Post Count Limit:
We have a moderately strict 20 post limit during day. This means absolutely NO one-liner posts. Try to make longer posts that include multiple quotes. Respond to multiple points simultaneously. If you want to give your reads, do it all in one post. We need people to also save posts to ensure they can respond to accusations should they be accused. Plan ahead. Most of this stuff should be obvious, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

Alright, that's all I've got for now. Let's have a good, clean game. GL HF!

On July 27 2013 05:26 Rainbows wrote:
I like how i get no credit for calling out artanis and making the original case and vote on him.

On July 27 2013 06:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Inb4 FT and Z-Bo are scum and the traitor claim is just to generate massive town cred for himself. Lol.

On July 24 2013 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Love that kermit song. My first reaction after reading opening post and ShiaoPi claim VT was ...

Euuhm wait, I shouldn't tell you guys. Rain and FT would get upset again.

I can tell you it wasn't "oh I am also VT". It was waaay bigger. I always think big.

On July 27 2013 06:36 FirmTofu wrote:

Funnily enough, I think scum would have had a better chance at winning the game had you let that happen.