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On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
I see no reason why you'd hide the information. More info = more chances town can find hidden gems in the future. The reason why I asked was because I was caught off guard by the amount of freedom we had been given in the QTs, and having never masoned before I wasn't sure what the right move was.
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On July 24 2013 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer, how do you know scum are paired with townies? I don't. I assumed it. Thats why I wrote that I assumed it -.-. And don't start with this "herp, town doesn't know that therefore scum, derp". Do you not think it is a resonable assumption that every scum maison is paired with a townie?
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I don't like FirmTofu. Look at this first postOn July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:dude, why you claim? Here he seems to think the VT claim is really random but doesn't really go too much into it. Doesn't actually push the issue nor does he seem to think it is alignment indicative in any way, But look how he reacts after it becomes clear that Rayn is suspicious of ShiaoPi
On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
SNIP Its like he wanted to test the waters with the first post and then when he saw an opportunity in rayn's post he just jumped on it. This was ShiaoPi's only post at the time and he didn't post anything in between the two posts of FirmTofu, yet it takes Firm 1 hour and 20 minutes to say that he is suspicious of ShaioPi as well. And he was still in the thread during these 80 minutes. he just didn't comment on the matter.
##Vote: FirmTofu
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EBWOP: And to make it clear, I don't see anything alignment indicative in Shiao's post.
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EBWOP2: nor do I think its stupid.
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Apparently my mason partner killed me for some reason....
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So in case i die:
raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 06:28 AM ET (US) omg. seriously? :EE 4 Malongo 07-24-2013 05:14 AM ET (US) hi Ryan. I am sorry, i asked to get you killed  . Nothing personal, i actually didnt knew it was you and just resent a hold up msg a minute ago (trying to revert the hit). ShiaoPis claim is null to me, more likely just a plain townie/dt trying to prevent a hit from the mafia, Z-Boson null for now. I think Lazermonkeys post is more of a threat. Again sorry if I cant hold the hit, I thought most the guys posting were already on contact (still 5/6 players to post), also thats why I posted "sorry i couldnt resist". 3 raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 02:01 AM ET (US) hey! what do you think of shiaoPi's/Z-Boson's first post? 2 Malongo 07-24-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) What is this? I got caught by surprise haha.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
So I am back home.
Reasons for claiming vt:
First off it's true lol, more importantly however I wanted to get some juicy reactions and I got some noteworthy already.
the thing is the claim itself is entirely not indicative of alignment and in my opinion town should just take a note on it and move on. Sure you can't prove anything at this stage, but does it matter? You should be scumhunting not harping around a non-alignment indicative behavior. So let me summarize some reactions to it.
Z-boson is doing the right thing, just noting it and moving on as seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
FirmTofu and rayn however strike me as incredibly scummy right now. Lazer already pointed out the thing that stands out about FirmTofu's behavior, so no need for me to elaborate on him.
On Rayn however:
Do you see the blatant contradiction?
His first reaction is just a wtf, which is okayish to me, but a bit on the scummy side.
Then he says that it is "pointless" and either "stupid or scum". Saying that there is no reason for me to do it: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt.
As Z boson points out however that it is simply not alignment indicative rayn goes to this position:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not?
So let me summarize:
-WTF --> Stupid or Scum --> He has a plan!!!!
I don't apprehend how you can go through these stages based on logic. It is much more likely he tried to paint me in a bad manner, then saw that it did not quite work out and reverted course. I mean in the beginning he does not even entertain the notion of my claim being part of a plan, he just says stupid/scum.
Anyway since he apparently got killed already not much more to say about him.
##Vote: FirmTofu
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
EBWOP:
Reading through the posted log.
Seriously Malongo? Also wtf do you mean by Lazer's post is more of a "threat"?
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I think he is faking. If not, I'll probably hurt myself very badly. Unless you are scum. Then it is all cool : )
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Stupid or scum does not mean i think you are scummy. It means i don't see any reason for you to claim vt as town. I know the claim is not alignment indicative, but your reasons might be. As for your reasons that's the only thing that counts as a good reason for a townie, so no, i don't think you are scum atm.
I'm interested in hearing why you think Z-Boson's post about the claim is any better than mine? Look at what he says:
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Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.
However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
He calls the post pointless and actually for me that bolded line reads he is suspicious of you no?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
but not based on the claim itself. It was based on activity after the claim, a much more solid tell than the claim.
Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway?
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On July 24 2013 19:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
but not based on the claim itself. It was based on activity after the claim, a much more solid tell than the claim.
Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway?
I wanted you to give your reasons for claiming and i was promoting discussion by hopping on you. I don't know your alignment so there is always the possibility that you just did something stupid as scum and can't explain it. I would have insta-lynched you if you said "because i am a vt" or something like that.
Look at what my pressure on you did? I think both of Z-Boson/FirmTofu's follow up's on this are fishy. Z-Boson somehow thinks i think you are scum. And FirmTofu's actions are already pointed out.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Not only Z boson thinks that you think I am scum, I do too <3
I am more interested whether or not you are actually dead now.
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Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi
lol
scum for not even reading properly?
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This is what i mean. Why the fuck should i scumhunt like this:
"Hi ShiaoPi, why did you claim VT? It's scummy or stupid, or maybe you have some sort of a plan, like gauging reactions which is reasonable for a townie to do. Which is it?"
Why the fuck should i give you the answers that are right? What's the point of questions in that case?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
You should just fucking ignore it like most of the thread did, since it does not even matter....too hard of a matter for you to grasp?
Outlined my thoughts more than enough. and your subsequent vote is just terrible reasoning as well.
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WHY ARE YOU SAYING SOMETHING THAT "DOES NOT MATTER" TO THE GAME?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
to get the reactions I got 
FirmTofu and yours are precisely what I was hoping to get
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