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But we don't need no blue roles. Let's just lynching scum and win. ##vote: FirmTofu A rehash of my big read post to follow. | ||
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First, let's look at his one reason not to be targeted: Being targeted by TAA in post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=81#1615 The reason and the supposed distance between TAA as generated by the first day banter posts is immaterial. TAA didn't even vote for Tofu on Day1 and got lynched Day 2. He voted getmoript both days. Posts made by TAA on Day 2 were throw aways and TAA never pushed his read. On the contrary, TAA tried to bridge the gap and make an argument for FirmTofu, the idea that a RB'd claim by yours truly should not be alignment indicative for town but rather harden the case for scum read. TAA does this in the worst way possible. On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that. On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day. I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much. Look at it. "I don't hold your views but if you thought that, this is how you should think now." This is clear manipulation and discussion in bad faith. Townie discussions would rather be something like: "I'm trying to understand your thought process. I think I would come to this other conclusion, instead." The distance that Tofu claims - the amount TAA wants him dead - is non-existent, and there is contradicting evidence. | ||
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You'll need to help me on whether or not these mistakes are possible with a town Tofu as well. Not only do we see FirmTofu not get a committed attack from TAA, we see FirmTofu distract attention and run interference for TAA. The best example comes during TAA's lynching. Missing the scum claim post is possible as matter of timing, however, Tofu basically dragged the conversation sideways against getmoript for a while and then asked getmoript to read TAA for scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=58#1147 Left out of his post filtering is the red - that he could not have possibly omitted because of timing. On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that. And that post combined with the following one as discussed previously is very scummy. I really don't like a town missing this read. I don't know if everyone else missed it, but for everyone else the DT check claim response was enough: On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating And I can give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't look any further. In the end, FirmTofu is the 6th person to vote for TAA when it is all but certain that TAA will be lynched. In addition to the Day 2 defense that failed, FirmTofu also excluded or distanced TAA from any of the Day 1 no-lynch pressure. In the run up to the Day 1 Lynch, only Rayne announced that he would be gone for the deadline and without Zeph (Corazon), there were TAA, jrkirby, and DocH(Onegu) outstanding. FirmTofu calls out jrkirby: On July 22 2013 14:32 FirmTofu wrote: jrkirby are you still out there? You need to be voting TG right now. Then pressures DocH (Onegu) On July 22 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote: DrH, vote TG NOW. And when the vote fails - announces the fake scum team: On July 22 2013 14:59 FirmTofu wrote: Looks like I found the whole scumteam guys. It's obviously DrH, TG, and jrkirby. and then hides TAA in the following one: On July 22 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote: I agree that DrH is scum for denying the lynch. First things first: lynch TanGeng. Push reads. Probably still lynch DrH. Push Reads. Decide whether Oats/jrkirby/TAA/someone else is the last mafia. The lynch for information with distance between TAA and the others again. On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote: The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit. Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him. For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats. As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them. I believe this is enough to show that there is a level of cooperation between TAA and FirmTofu and some willful ignoring of the scummy scum. There's some other early game reads that the two hydras had. Those reads and aside from the bad defense of TAA, FirmTofu doing nothing except tunnel jrkirby and I and occasionally glance over Corazon should be a solid case for scum Tofu. @FiveTouch, JJD, Onegu, jrkirby, Corazon Vote? or Argue? | ||
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I don't know if Corazon's even more powerful version of Getmoript and will return role if applicable and alignment if not. It's very strange. Meh. | ||
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Scum will know both cop status and sanity. I'll know what to think about his sanity. (I don't know if he is really a cop.) The rest of town won't know. (sanity or cop status) You also know that I (as either town or scum) will say that I think he is sane. I haven't put his cop claim to serious question at all. | ||
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On July 26 2013 15:01 phagga wrote: getmoript the Detective has been killed! + Show Spoiler + Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results! Oatsmaster the Ordinary Citizen (Vanilla Townie) has been found dead! + Show Spoiler + Welcome, Oatsmaster to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you will hopefully save Blueville from destruction. You, as an ordinary citizen of Blueville can help save Blueville from the wrath of evil Redvillians. Look at the defective/fake results. Is it always defective or just some of the time? | ||
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So his flip will give town information? | ||
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I have this part of a post from you: On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote: Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely). Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all. So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive. On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful. And these two: On July 26 2013 12:35 jrkirby wrote: I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way. I need reasons why you think your death would benefit town. On July 26 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote: Would be really nice if onegu shot oats and it was scum. What made you change your mind for an immediate shot? And on oats? I also said the same thing about getting vigged. On July 26 2013 12:50 TanGeng wrote: I'm with jrkirby. Just shoot me.... now. Between you and me, did you still think that I would have been the better target? | ||
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How do you feel about my FirmTofu case? @cDgCorazon Question for you, too. | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:08 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not entirely convinced by your case. FirmTofu's interaction with TAA is a little bit sketch, but the second part of your case (in which you say he pressures multiple people near the D1 deadline) only shows to me what he cared about the vote and wanted you dead, which would be really ballsy for scum to do. If he was scum, he would not have cared too much if you had died or not. A no-lynch is still really good for scum, which tells me that TAA's efforts to drive your lynch home do not have much scum motivation. It's not the driving home of the lynch it's that FirmTofu didn't call out TAA. It is almost as if he knew that TAA wouldn't show up and didn't want to call out TAA and draw attention. FirmTofu also wasn't the only one pushing. He blended in with the WoS angry reaction. The sort of contrast between DocH, jrkirby treatment and the TAA treatment is there. | ||
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Please look at Day1 with the background, that this game is my second game here at the TL forum and I got nuked late Day1 in the first game. | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Oh I'm still all about lynching Tofu. I just wanted to clear up this whole corazon role thing first. Ok, but when you do, please dive deep, comment on it, and see if you can add anything. | ||
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I agreed with getmoript's town assessment of him based on initial reaction near the lynch. Oatsmaster really dragged him into the mud though, so I'm not so sure about him anymore. | ||
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This is really hard to do as scum. Because scum would have to be really well prepared for that scenario. Honestly TAA appears completely blindsided by the claim as evident by the virtually dead scum slip. Now that I'm reviewing, Corazon snapped called even faster than TAA's scum slip. Wow... | ||
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