Ok, the first thing that's apparent about JJD's filter is that when you search TAA, the first thing that comes up is ##Vote: TAA.

Next, search "austin." Yeah, he's there, but only in posts that JJD has quoted. JJD avoided austin completely all of D1 - N2.

Finally, "vivax." There's something about vivax's weird initial reads, some distancing, and then suddenly vivax is right, and I'm scum.

Contrast this distance to TG and I, who have been associated with each other since day 1. DO you really think scum want to be so closely associated?

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:34 GMT

#2543

On July 31 2013 12:29 Onegu wrote:
Vivax is sleeping not sure if he will be up in time for deadline...

Oh, he wont be. You can trust that.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:37 GMT

#2544

Okay, here's how I'm looking at the game right now.

It looks like Vivax is trying to switch off kirby and onto TG.

Let's assume that Vivax is scum and kirby is scum. Both scum.
Vivax obviously wouldn't want to lynch Kirby. Who is the best possible target for vivax that he might be able to convince people to vote for?
TanGeng.
Obviously, he doesn't want to push too hard or it would seem too obvious that he's Kirby's scumbuddy.

Now let's say Vivax is town and kirby is scum.
Vivax might want to lynch TG, but ultimately he should be relatively ambivalent between the two. He has stated in the past that Kirby is scummy, so he should defer to that lynch,especially considering that town agrees with the lynch with a slight majority.

Is there any situation when Kirby is town that Vivax would NOT want to lynch him?
No.

This is so, so, so, soooo important. I can't emphasize this enough. A town Kirby should be wholeheartedly endorsed by Vivax whether he is scum or town. Scum Vivax would want to WIN. This is LYLO so all his cards are on the table. Town Vivax may be a little unsure, but ultimately defer to the lynch.

Let's lynch Vivax.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 31 2013 03:38 GMT

#2545

I pretty much gonna be gone for the night in a few. Haven't seen any reason to switch off kirby

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:40 GMT

#2546

EBWOP: Is there any situation when Kirby is town and Vivax is scum that Vivax would NOT want to lynch Kirby?

Sorry for being ambiguous lol.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:41 GMT

#2547

So basically, the probability of Vivax flipping scum is higher than the probability of Kirby flipping scum.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:43 GMT

#2548

Vivax, as far as I can tell, has had almost no suspicion on JJD all (this short part of) the game.

Also, this is scummy:

On July 28 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
I don't regret lynching Cora at all. He made mistakes during his claim, refused to cooperate, didn't push his scumreads properly. To his defense we now know that hosts handled his role in a strange way, but that's about it.
If he ended up being town, then we can conclude that he didn't do properly what he had to do as town, appearing townie and pushing scum over town.

That said, waiting to see how the night turns up cause if there are 3 scum left, it's gg, if it's two we'll have another day.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:44 GMT

#2549

I'm not sure I agree with your logic FT, but I sure agree with your conclusion

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:45 GMT

#2550

Also, JJD and Vivax were both saying: "Maybe Onegu is scum" which is ridiculous.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:47 GMT

#2551

Is Vivax here? I want him to respond.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:48 GMT

#2552

Nope, he's gone. There's no scum in the thread right now. We can lynch them if we work together town! I believe in you!

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:51 GMT

#2553

Nope. You're dead brah. Switching at this point is suicidal. I just wanted to see his reaction. Too bad he's not around.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

July 31 2013 03:52 GMT

#2554

Well vivax was going alot off of DrH makeing a no lynch than my filter. Just saying. Also 5T was starting to think I was scum before he died but I think I debunked the case. I AM BATMAN!!!

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:52 GMT

#2555

On July 31 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:
Well vivax was going alot off of DrH makeing a no lynch than my filter. Just saying. Also 5T was starting to think I was scum before he died but I think I debunked the case. I AM BATMAN!!!

That you are!

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:54 GMT

#2556

JJD was saying you might be scum too:

On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng

Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 03:56 GMT

#2557

On July 31 2013 12:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Nope. You're dead brah. Switching at this point is suicidal. I just wanted to see his reaction. Too bad he's not around.

If I'm dead, then we lose. T.T

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

July 31 2013 03:59 GMT

#2558

On July 31 2013 12:56 jrkirby wrote:

Show nested quote +

If I'm dead, then we lose. T.T

I'm sorry if you're town, but you are the most likely person to be mafia at this point. Nothing can change that.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 04:00 GMT

#2559

maybe getmoript is right: You shouldn't have shot N2, onegu. Damn oatsmaster played a shitty game, though. I can't say I played the best game, but I'd say I played better than him. I guess it's me+oatsmaster's fault we lost.

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

July 31 2013 04:02 GMT

#2560

But if I was right about the scumteam, I at least have some logic skills and can solve a game given enough hints. Although I have more info than you or onegu, cause I know I'm town, and you don't.