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On July 30 2013 20:12 Vivax wrote:
Yeah it's quoted from D1.
Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude,
ugh. This is all old news. I was all over tofu for this same reason. But the claim changes everything.
TG suggests that it's WIFOM and is designed too like like a "too suicidal to be scum" play. But that's just not possible because it's 5Ts subsequent claim that makes it impossible to be a scum play. And 5T has flipped town.
Lemme break down what I've been saying (again) because there's several reasons tofu can't be bad:
- I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd.
- Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched.
- He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed.
So this could not have been a WIFOM play because it fails miserably if fivetouch doesn't claim to be the 4th cop. If fivetouch doesn't claim then no one would even consider the fact that tofu could be telling the truth and he'd get immediately lynched.
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I think DrH just blew up and decided to not do what people demanded of him. And then he left. It shouldnt be alignment indiactive.
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On July 30 2013 21:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 20:12 Vivax wrote:
Yeah it's quoted from D1.
Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude,
ugh. This is all old news. I was all over tofu for this same reason. But the claim changes everything. TG suggests that it's WIFOM and is designed too like like a "too suicidal to be scum" play. But that's just not possible because it's 5Ts subsequent claim that makes it impossible to be a scum play. And 5T has flipped town. Lemme break down what I've been saying (again) because there's several reasons tofu can't be bad: - I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd. - Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched. - He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed. So this could not have been a WIFOM play because it fails miserably if fivetouch doesn't claim to be the 4th cop. If fivetouch doesn't claim then no one would even consider the fact that tofu could be telling the truth and he'd get immediately lynched.
Ok this makes alot of sense.
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I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd.
How do we know that the setup has to feature a type of each cop? You feel like you have to fill up a remaining gap, but we really can't know if there has to be one type of each cop.
- Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched.
The bolded isn't true at all. People wouldn't autolynch him for a third claim, just like they didn't autolynch 5T for the fourth.
The claim makes sense to defend himself from the TAA defense and to push a lynch on Cora.
That he wasn't about to get lynched is irrelevant if it helps him reach his objective.
He couldn't know if there was a fourth DT either, maybe he assumed all DT's claimed at this stage in the game.
- He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed.
Scum could have gotten fakeclaims and known how the role pm looked.
I really dislike basing reads off all of this cop shit. What I see is mostly scummy D1 play so far, although that last post I mentioned made him look a little better. I'd prefer if we kept all this role stuff out while discussing if he's scum.
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On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG.
If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period.
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On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period.
Assume FT is scum and I'm not.
Who is your guess then.
What do you think is JK's alignment?
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Hey FT.
You said TG's reaction makes him scum.
That would mean you don't mind switching to him, I take?
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JrKirby you going to come defend yourself or just give up?
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On July 30 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote:On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period. Assume FT is scum and I'm not. Who is your guess then. What do you think is JK's alignment?
Vivax:
About assuming FT scum and you not.
Don't do this to me... plz.
I'm trying to forget/ignore 8 or 9 separate pieces of evidence right now and it's not working...
Overall:
I think jrkirby is town via process of elimination but is playing an absolutely disgusting game. One comment and completely lurking, again.
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On July 30 2013 23:44 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote:On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period. Assume FT is scum and I'm not. Who is your guess then. What do you think is JK's alignment? Vivax: About assuming FT scum and you not. Don't do this to me... plz. I'm trying to forget/ignore 8 or 9 separate pieces of evidence right now and it's not working...
Overall: I think jrkirby is town via process of elimination but is playing an absolutely disgusting game. One comment and completely lurking, again.
Austin's play until N1 isn't really scumlike at all.
My play isn't scumlike, I'm still trying to figure out the game.
I'm evaluating if you're not trying to WIFOM town into believing jkirby is your scumbuddy, cause you're trying hard at doing that.
Given FT said you're scum, I'll attempt a switch to you.
He should not be afraid of that at this point.
Anyway, you'll have to consider some other option besides me cause I'm not scum.
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That said, anyone who believes jrkirby is scum must also believe TG is scum.
But if jrkirby isn't scum, then FT could be scum with TG.
Hence it's kinda safer to lynch TG first.
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Being wrong or right does not always a scum make.
You just posted half a book about how to distuingish scum from town based on how they push their reads.
Then you summarize instances of austin being wrong about scum.
I take it you don't want to answer who would be your other guess for scum if I'm town. Fine.
@Thread
Do you think jrkirby is scum? Then you think two scum didn't vote TG d1, making him most likely scum.
Can you exclude that FT (or Onegu) is scum?If yes, feel free to vote jkirby, if no, you should vote TG.
In any case, I think it's safer to vote TG first, cause he is scum in most of the likely scenarios.
Unless you know for sure what Onegu's and jrkirby's alignments are, then you can't explain why TG has been left alive D1.
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##Vote: TanGeng
Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.
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On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng
Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.
How can you think that onegu could be scum still?
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On July 31 2013 02:54 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng
Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day. How can you think that onegu could be scum still?
Wtf dude.
Is that the only question you feel like asking in your situtation?
I mean, if you make it clear that you disagree, who do you think could TG still be scum with if it isn't you or onegu?
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It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).
Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.
Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.
Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.
I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.
TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.
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On July 24 2013 10:11 Onegu wrote:
Good Morning. So TAA totes scum, I made a case on him earlier plus a red check which I dont think was faked, add in the random rb claim.
##:VOTE TAA
I fail to see where Onegu made a case on TAA earlier, he said something about lynching multiple people then only pushed Oats.
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Do you really think that scum had an extra bullet in this setup? at least 2 completely useless cops, no doc, no town rb, no jk, but scum has an extra bullet?
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On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote:
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).
Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.
Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.
Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.
I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.
TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.
Good, we're making progresses.
What makes you so sure FT is actually cop?
Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want.
Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum?
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