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On July 29 2013 20:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player. I claimed fake roleblock as scum,too. Do you think scum had a good reason to roleblock the guy who just survived D1? If anything, he had a good reason to fake a roleblock on himself. We don't know sanities. All we know is that this guy has NOT been lynched by scum D1.
Hey, all I know is that:
Scum TAA didn't vote for me. But he was also not active in the thread.
Also jrkirby and Onegu (DocH) didn't vote for me.
But, hey if scum Tofu/Vivax voted for me then, two of the three scum would have been on my bandwagon.
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We werent in mylo when I made my lynch. And I did I called for people to vote kirby and make the lynch, you are very wrong here TG.
On July 27 2013 19:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I am not posting this to avoid getting shot. I played poorly day 1 and two, and kinda deserve to get shot. But if I get shot, I want to leave the town in the best possible position I can after I'm dead, else I'll think it's my fault we lost. I think both of us are town. When I judge who I think is scum, I don't look at the content of their posts as much as the dead giveaways: things like defending someone, who and when votes happened, claims, deaths, associations. While tangeng's posts day 1 might not have the greatest content, I don't see scum motivation there. In firmtofu's posts, I do see scum motivation. He defended TAA much longer than he should've, and went all out on the defence too. Just recently, he quoted TAA to defend himself: + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Even going so far as to bold a line that says "Happy wifom everyone." That, I must say, is bold. + Show Spoiler +He wants me (who I know am town) and TG (who I think is town) shot, as well as JJD who I also have a town read on.
Since I expect to die tonight, let me post my reads and what I expect/hope to happen. I think that getmoript and I will get shot tonight. Scum shoot getmoript, onegu shoots me. Cora hopefully has some info for town. I hope that Firmtofu gets lynched. Then next night, onegu or cora gets shot. I'd prefer to have cora get shot, because I'd rather have a confirmed town than a dubious, weak, power role alive, but I expect onegu to get shot. If onegu is shot, I think the third scum is either cora or oatsmaster. If cora has any info from his nightly investigations, take that into account. You should be able to mislynch one and get the other the next night though. My worst case scenario: I get shot (I'll flip town), and then TG gets lynched and flips town. Second worst is TG gets shot, flips town, and I get lynched. If TG gets shot and flips scum, then I'll have to rethink my reads on JJD and firmtofu. Best case: firmtofu gets shot and flips scum. Actually, new worst case scenario: firmtofu gets shot and flips town. That would really screw us up. At least if he's vigid, if scum shoot him, it just makes things clearer and we still have cop. My plead: If I get shot and flip town, pleasepleaseplease don't lynch TG right next. If I flip scum, sure, but I'm not gonna flip scum. So, reads: getmoript: He's town. but he's gonna get shot tonight anyway, so doesn't matter too much. Although if he doesn't get shot, be fairly suspicious. Me, TG, JJD, firmtofu: I already wrote about us. Fivetouch: if he's scum... well played, well played. I think he's town. Austin: He certainly reads town. I have not too much suspicion here, but if he starts acting funky, don't hesitate to consider him. Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely). Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all. So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive. On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful. His post here I felt he did a good job of makeing a cases and was actually scum hunting unlike TGs post. Also he tells me to shoot him which made me feel somewhat townie, why would scum want me to shoot him. I had made a scum read on oats when I first joined the game, when he got more active I went to null. Then rereading his filter before the deadline I felt scum again. Most people made good scum points on him. TG I felt has gotten progressivly more town, also I have no Idea why scum would roleblock thier own teammate, once his claim to be roleblocked came out and TAA flipped scum rb I started to feel more and more town, then his posts today while I dont agree with are really townie to me.
On July 27 2013 19:42 Onegu wrote:
When he asked me to shoot him it made me think for a second he might not be scum and went with oats, after oats flipped town I am sure jrkirby was just makeing a play to live and that he is scum 100%
On July 28 2013 08:31 Onegu wrote:
I believe all the claims I am guessing each has a different sanity, if I had to choose on to be fake it would be firmTofu but I think his is real also. People JrKirby looks really really bad give me reasons on why he isnt scum.
Vivax you think as scum when I replaced in the first thing I did was to make a case on TAA to bus him?
On July 28 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Cora stop pouting and get back here and vote kirby, if that happens firm you better not let a no lynch happen.
FIVETOUCH WHERE ARE YOU CALLING MARV OR VE EARTH THE MARV OR VE
Really you dont think I pushed a kirby lynch?
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On July 29 2013 20:42 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:27 Onegu wrote:
So you are admitting you want to play against you win condition if you are town. And I have made case after case on him, nor do I blame him for my mislynch and misshot, I do blame him for not makeing his own read last night and after showing who he wanted to vote then swich to make a lynch. He didnt care who was lynched as long as it was cora or tofu, he wanted to sheep my lynch target and make me look bad, but you are right I made the choice and I was wrong, but he showed complete apathy on the lynch targets and that is scummy as hell. You had the choice to lynch, to no-lynch, to try to get others to switch their votes. You didn't. Your read of jrkirby is also wrong. jrkirby only cared whether or not he was getting lynched. That's a null. jrkirby made no pressure to force a lynch on Cora or Tofu. You had to identify whether or not the lynch was good or not. Don't call kirby scum for making you look bad. He didn't do anything at all. BTW, you could have made a policy-lynch kirby case on day 3. I'd have agreed. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 11:26 TanGeng wrote:
I think we need to be able a mechanism to vote in a forced replacements for lurky players. This jrkirby no show is ridiculous.
His not doing anything and just sheeping me forceing me to choose the no lynch makes me look bad for chooseing cora as a mislynch without makeing any reads of his own.
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Sanya12364 Posts
You didn't ask for a policy lynch.
Just because you make the "scum" argument and it doesn't work, doesn't mean a different angle isn't going to work.
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Ebwop mislynch not no lynch
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Im not the only one to make a case on him 5T did also, he is scum his actions are anti town, apathetic, lurky, and survivalistic all scum tells.
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On July 29 2013 21:10 Onegu wrote:
His not doing anything and just sheeping me forceing me to choose the no lynch makes me look bad for chooseing cora as a mislynch without makeing any reads of his own.
Oh, you ready to do the same thing to kirby with:
On July 28 2013 14:30 Onegu wrote:
Awesome my #1 scum choice gets to choose who is lynched.
AND you made the NO-LYNCH is bad argument.
Newbie jrkirby faced with a "We have to lynch pressure." and then a "Why is my top scum read hammering?" question, so he sheep you? And you call him scum for that? You did this to yourself.
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I call him scum for not makeing his own choice first. I would have made a lynch happen and he could have sheeped me after but he chose to have me make the choice without haveing any reads of his own.
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I chose my choice of lynch already he hadnt. That is the problem.
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On July 29 2013 20:50 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:38 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player. I claimed fake roleblock as scum,too. Do you think scum had a good reason to roleblock the guy who just survived D1? If anything, he had a good reason to fake a roleblock on himself. We don't know sanities. All we know is that this guy has NOT been lynched by scum D1. Hey, all I know is that: Scum TAA didn't vote for me. But he was also not active in the thread. Also jrkirby and Onegu (DocH) didn't vote for me. But, hey if scum Tofu/Vivax voted for me then, two of the three scum would have been on my bandwagon.
Very good. You bring up a point I hadn't considered.
If jkirby is indeed scum, then you are scum too. In no way can you save yourself if we can prove that two scummers didn't get you lynched D1.
It's in your best interest to not let jkirby get lynched if you are scum actually.
Let's see how you like it when I vote for him.
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I'm actually glad fivetouch got killed. Otherwise it would have been in the back of my mind that 5T/tofu made a crazy double fakeclaim. Now we can be 100% sure that tofu is legit.
Gonna reread filters and stuff before I vote. I think I'm starting to come around on a TG lynch.
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On July 29 2013 21:15 Onegu wrote:
Im not the only one to make a case on him 5T did also, he is scum his actions are anti town, apathetic, lurky, and survivalistic all scum tells.
These are NOT scum tells. This is a scum meta, so:
OMG Y U META
Because scum action (agenda pushes, aiding fellow scum, fake claims, pushing townies) are scum slips (over pushing agenda, bad faith arguments, odd positional changes, scripted conversations, dubious claim stories) are the reasons why scum want to be minimalistic. You start there BEFORE you go meta.
On July 29 2013 21:23 Onegu wrote:
I call him scum for not makeing his own choice first. I would have made a lynch happen and he could have sheeped me after but he chose to have me make the choice without haveing any reads of his own.
IIRC, you didn't have a good read either. You went with FirmTofu first and switched to Corazon. How is that not like kirby's position of "now I'm not so sure."
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I prefered firm but I wasnt sure if JJD was around to switch or not so the only sure lynch there was was cora
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Proof that TanGeng is mafia
OK we have 4 cops
getmoript - redcheck on TAA
Cora - greencheck on TG
tofu - greencheck on TG, greencheck on cora, greencheck on Kirby
fivetouch - redcheck on getmoript, redcheck on cora
So I think we have to assume we have: 1 legit, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid. I think everyone agrees that makes sense.
If that's the case, it looks like it's: getmoript = legit, Cora = insane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = paranoid. Which means:
TanGeng = scum
##vote TanGeng
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Sanya12364 Posts
I'm perfectly ok with a policy lynch because if you play like jrkirby as scum or town, GTFO.
Also if I ever play with kirby again, I'll Day 1 policy lynch kirby again regardless of whether or not I do it today.
Will decide at the deadline.
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On July 29 2013 21:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Proof that TanGeng is mafia
So I think we have to assume we have: 1 legit, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid. I think everyone agrees that makes sense.
If that's the case, it looks like it's: getmoript = legit, Cora = insane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = paranoid. Which means:
TanGeng = scum
##vote TanGeng
Counter scenario:
getmoript = paranoid, Cora = sane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = insane.
Which means: I'm town
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On July 29 2013 21:51 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 21:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Proof that TanGeng is mafia
So I think we have to assume we have: 1 legit, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid. I think everyone agrees that makes sense.
If that's the case, it looks like it's: getmoript = legit, Cora = insane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = paranoid. Which means:
TanGeng = scum
##vote TanGeng Counter scenario: getmoript = paranoid, Cora = sane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = insane. Which means: I'm town Bah, I thought I had it. OK, the cop info doesn't really tell us much.
##unvote for now
back to rereading
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On July 29 2013 21:49 TanGeng wrote:
I'm perfectly ok with a policy lynch because if you play like jrkirby as scum or town, GTFO.
Also if I ever play with kirby again, I'll Day 1 policy lynch kirby again regardless of whether or not I do it today.
Will decide at the deadline.
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OK this is scummy as heck. Do you think kirby is town or scum? Explain why you would Day 1 policy lynch him if you ever play with him again?
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No the question is why would you policy lynch someone during mylo as town?
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On July 30 2013 00:24 Onegu wrote:
No the question is why would you policy lynch someone during mylo as town?
Because what a better way to make a fucking point about unacceptable play than also losing.
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