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This made me laugh more than it should have. And when they actually lynch someone: "Not luck. Not luck at all."
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This made me laugh more than it should have. And when they actually lynch someone: "Not luck. Not luck at all." /in | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:04 hzflank wrote: I meant it as a compliment. Sometimes the greatest players are the worst coaches because you just cannot teach pure brilliance. You better hope you're town, hz, cause you're terrible at lying. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: On that note, has anyone ever seen an SK (or similarly a 3P with some sort of KP) kill scum? I don't think I have. Well I can't say I saw it. It was mighty dark that night, and a wave of shadow blocked my vision. But I heard it happen, I really did. Earlier that day there was a hurricane, and we'd been seeing chromatic rainbows all day. But come night time, there was an SK there in a wheelchair, like Xavier. A nightcat jumped through the alley. Suddenly the SK gets flanked by two scum, but he had a blazinghand, and shot them both. Unhinged, he stutters, "I am perfection." and rolls off into the night. | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:25 Alakaslam wrote: Roflmao- Cauc, consider why I am not inning here yet! Read the last few pages of the active games list thread! This makes 0 sense yet my good man... Ooooooh it itches. Did you think I'm caucasionasian? Or is there some conversation I'm missing? | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote: No wonder there are serial killers in this game. It's probably going to wind up with no SK but BH is going to kill whoever he feels like each night and we'll all think there is one. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:40 Rainbows wrote: OP says 1. OP is correct 100% of the time. Koshi outed into replacements. Now I know you love to make bold claims, but now's not the time. | ||
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hzflank is scum On July 09 2013 04:04 hzflank wrote: I meant it as a compliment. Sometimes the greatest players are the worst coaches because you just cannot teach pure brilliance. Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: On July 09 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote: Then scum should night kill the first person to vote for me, because as their lover you will also die. This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. I will. Right here, right now. And for his first post: On July 13 2013 07:11 hzflank wrote: So we are using a majority vote system. As we all know there is much more chance of a No Lynch with this system than with plurality voting. I think it is in our best interest to try to lynch someone every day. This may seem a bit odd at first, because a mis-lynch is obviously better for scum than for town. However, the only way that town will win is by lynching scum, and we will never be sure if we are lynching town or scum unless the lynch actually goes through. If we narrowly fail to lynch then we end up spending the next day discussing it and do not move forward as much. Also, scum already know who they are. When someone is lynched the alignment information from their flip benefits town, but not scum. Therefore, I suggest we work together as much as possible to actually get lynches through, if they are in doubt. He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: On July 13 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote: Everyone here has played 3 or less games. I think it is a bit early to be thinking about policy lynches on lurkers. Policy lynching can stifle discussion and we need discussion today. Once we get 24-36 hours in then we can consider it. Also, sometimes RL just happens for a day or two. Also, I think that there will be enough activity here. There are several players who I know will post a lot and we (the active players) cannot all die really early. Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:51 hzflank wrote: Oh, and I assume that you are not serious about the no-lynch stuff. If that's the case then no need to mention it, but if you seriously think that no lynches would be good then I would like to hear why. I think we should try to lynch people who we think are scum, and avoid BW sheepishly. That said, getting a consensus on lynch is definitely better than the alternative. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Umasi, stop defending me. Don't defend people in general. It's more valuable to hear them defend themselves by tenfold. (Also, I don't want you handcuffing yourself to my ankle then flipping scum and having Town waste a bunch of time re-vetting me.) This is a very reasonable request, but unfortunately I will not be posting it at this time for a couple reasons. First, it's not as impressive as the one I posted. Second, I intend to stay active in this community and will probably end up using a version of it at some point when (if?) I ever get that 'You Are Scum' PM. You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote: Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance? Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote: To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want. I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit. | ||
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Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:18 Umasi wrote: Does it really matter if we haven't seen things from other players at this point? It's been two hours since the game began, some people could still be working, etc. The way you popped in, said one thing kinda suspicious, then popped out is what really irks me. Don't apologize and talk about other forums as an excuse, excuses are bad. Reasons are fine, but that didn't feel like a reason to me. We don't need to point out no lynching as an option, because it's BAD No lynching is something that scum would LIKE. I think I said it in the last game I played (too lazy to dig it up,) but the only tool a townie has is their vote, so don't waste it on something like a no lynch. There should always be someone who is objectively "scummiest" that you'd rather vote for than no lynch, have a little confidence. Well, this game is majority lynch, so voting for the "scummiest" person could be what causes a lynch not to happen. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't mind lynching town either. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote: Kirby, who do you think is scum? Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:25 Umasi wrote: wait, what do you mean kirby? am I misunderstanding how the lynch works? If two players have five votes on them, the first one to five gets lynched, am I wrong? Have I horribly misunderstood something? It's majority lynch, so if we have 13 players, 7 of them need to agree to secure a lynch, I believe. This is correct, right? | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote: I play exactly the same as scum and town imo. Last game was just me being frustrated and correct :p lol. You should fear the Rainbows. Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:56 Umasi wrote: He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy. He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking. | ||
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On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote: Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. | ||
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On July 14 2013 05:56 Chromatically wrote: + Show Spoiler + Kirby Stim's case on Kirby takes a lot of stuff that's not scummy and says it is, but it also has good points (some of which are probably repeated here). Here's what I don't like: a) fluff about Sponge's first post b) wishy-washy reads c) lurker list d) Stim interactions a) fluff about Sponge's first post A large amount of Kirby's early posting is talking about Sponge's pregame post and trying to get him to post it. He only starts doing this light pressure AFTER I start it. On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Scum are always looking for some way to post so that they seem town without actually doing anything. This pregame thing is something VERY easy for scum to comment on and lightly push. He notices that I'm a little suspicious and seizes on it so that he can post something at all. Notice how very lightly he's pressuring: On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? On July 13 2013 09:03 jrkirby wrote: You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. The first one is a conversational question, the second one is a suggestion. When I pressure someone I think is suspicious, I don't "suggest" things to them and tell them "what they ought to do". He doesn't actually care about getting the post, he just wants to look like he does. b) wishy-washy reads On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank This is just generic wishy-washiness and unwillingness to commit to reads. Townies have at least some scum reads that they provide to the thread and push, at least a little. Kirby hasn't pushed a scumread all game. Kirby hasn't even had a scumread that he couldn't easily back out of. As scum, Kirby can easily justify a vote on anyone now because he doesn't have any reads out there. c) lurker list On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". This should be pretty obvious, but lurker lists are scummy in general. Everyone knows who hasn't posted. There's no reason to post something like this as town, it's totally useless. Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful. Scum think that lists like this will look pro town and give them something to post about so that they seem active. d) Stim interactions On July 13 2013 09:32 jrkirby wrote: Keep your cool stim, rainbows just misinterpreted your post, that's all. On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. Kirby consoles Stim twice during the game. Read both of these (especially the second one), and ask yourself why does it seem like Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town? Look at that second quote. "You won't play your best when you're tilting." There's not a HINT of doubt in that post that Stim is town. That's not something that you post to someone that you're even slightly suspicious of. "Well this makes sense if he has a town read on Stim, right?" On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Apart from the simple fact that he's trying to leave his options open to switch on the wagon later, this is COMPLETELY at odds with his subconscious attitude toward Stim in the previous conversation. ##Unvote ##Vote: jrkirby a)"fluff about Sponge's first post" That wasn't "fluff." Yes, I wasn't downright downright accusing Hurricane of being scum. But I explained all the reasons for what I was doing, and why. Hurricane didn't blow up, or take the bait too hard, so I'm still not convinced he's scum. But he did have something he claims he wrote on the condition he rolled scum that he wasn't willing to post. And you should all be wondering if maybe there's a another reason why he wouldn't post it. My goal wasn't to get the post, necessarily. It was to see his reaction, and judge whether he was telling the truth. Besides, to continue pushing him much further would be pointless, because as I said, a scum hurricane could have just written another one by then. I showed something of value: hurricane wasn't willing to post something that he had written for this mafia game. Unfortunately, that by itself is not damning, so there wasn't much I could do but let it drop. If I had continued the pressure, you'd be on my case for how I was "hard core tunneling hurricane sponge." b) wishy-washy reads I said this before, and I'll say it again: I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. Fortunately, I have seen a bit of voting now, so right after this post, I'm gonna dive some filters, read some scum, and give a vote. Anyway, who can really give confident scum reads halfway through day one? Anyone one who pretends that they can is either overconfident and bullshitting themselves, or actually scum. c) lurker list Yeah, I posted a list of people who hadn't posted. Wait, that's scummy? I don't get that. Why don't we say everyone who scumhunts is scummy, because "Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful." I'm not gonna say that you should give me kudos for posting a list of lurkers. You're right, it takes 30 seconds and anyone could do it. But that doesn't make me scum. d) Stim interactions I tend to think that people who get voted a lot day one tend to be town, simply because scum can defend themselves easily day one with no previous associations. But no, I don't "KNOW" stim is town. And when I'm talking to someone to try to help them calm down, I'm going to phrase it from a "we're both town" perspective. Doing it any other way is going to backfire. Seems like he's calmed down now, took him long enough. Stim: if you get riled up like that again, well, just don't. Ok, In 15 minutes I'll have a post with scumreads. I already have someone in mind. I can answer more questions and should be here till day end. I might not have answered all the accusations on me, and if you have more to point at me, ask it again, I probably read it but didn't stop to specifically address it (but I'm sure I have an answer for you). I know Hurricane Sponge had a post on me, I'll get to that after some scumreads. | ||
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Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:59 StiMaDDict wrote: @jkirby: I know you said you are working on your reads right now, just reminding you to elaborate and explain this. Elaboration: What is the real scumtell at the end of the day? Who they voted for, when and why. Any scum can say anything they like, for example, they could choose to post a list of lurkers or choose not to post a list of lurkers. While some people might think that what they say is the scumtell, for example, Chromatically thinks anyone who posts a list of lurkers is automatically scum, in the end, scum can choose either way, and act as townish as they possibly can. Where the scum CAN'T hide, is their vote. Scum always vote with another reason behind it. They might buss each other, they might sheep, might spread out, might vote together. But at the end of the day, they vote with a different reason than town. And looking at how they vote is how you can find that. If no one has voted, I really don't think that you can find scum better than chance. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:14 Chromatically wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Not quite sure why you'd feel the need to blatantly and obviously misrepresent my case on you if you're town. That wasn't my defense, that was just a pit of satirical exaggeration. | ||
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But right now super & jkirby both blink bright red on my scumdar. Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is? | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:28 Chromatically wrote: He gives this as the purpose for the posts: Well what has he gotten? Nothing! His read on Sponge was totally unaffected. He was pressuring Sponge for no reason, which is scum. What? Pressuring someone with no reason at the beginning of day 1 is scum? Why? It only gets town more information. If done properly (maybe better than I can do it) on a poor player (maybe a player worse than Sponge) who is actually just so happens to be scum, then you'll be able to get a very good scumread. Just because I wasn't successful with flying colors doesn't mean that a) we didn't get any information, or b) it was scummy. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:26 StiMaDDict wrote: @jkirby: please, stop dodging the subject. Why did you think those 3 were most suspicious at the time your posting and what is your current read on them. Oh, that was the question. Woops. Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall. I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive. Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote: Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote: So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him? These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch. Reasoning: 1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers. 2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well. 3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to. I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:53 hzflank wrote: Then why did you call him stupid? This is the most damning point that I have seen against you. You treat Stim as though you have a town read on him and then call him stupid and claim to have a null read. You now say that you were trying to help him calm down. Yet you called him stupid. When in your life have you ever gotten someone to calm down by calling them stupid? Why did you call Stim stupid? You're right, I shouldn't have called him stupid. I dislike it when players get really angry, doing irrational things, and I made a mistake. That wasn't the best thing to say at the time. But partially I said it because it was a) honest, and b) people were asking me my opinion on him. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:08 Gotard wrote: Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 03:35 Chromatically wrote: You didn't have anything to pressure him on?!? What about what you literally just told me? A townie would post their scumread in the thread with their reasoning. You DID have something to pressure him on, but you DIDN'T. You guys aren't really going to let this slide, right? I didn't have anything ELSE to pressure him on. And I didn't want to completely tunnel him either. | ||
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jrkirby
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Can someone else read Gotard's filter and tell me why he's not scum? | ||
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Overall, I'd prefer to lynch someone else over him, but might vote for him if that's the only way to get a lynch. | ||
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jrkirby
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But I would much prefer it if the case on gotard were reviewed by everyone. When I called him out on his sheep vote, instead of giving good reasons for his vote, he just said,oh, other people are doing the same thing. That's not an excuse. And besides, gotard: Other people ARE posting why they are on the bandwagon their on. Sure, some people haven't voted yet, but most people who have voted have at least a bit of reasonig behind it, rather than just "I find you scummy." | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:35 Rainbows wrote: unvote vote: jrkirby cus chrom said so Wait, is this sarcastic? Because you didn't do this in the voting thread. Also, nightcat just voted in the vote thread with nothing(?) in the main thread. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 05:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Where did all that vet stuff come from? I think he misread VT as veteran. VT means vanilla town, super. | ||
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##Unvote: gotard [b]Vote: superflous[b] | ||
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jrkirby
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So, reads: hzflank and chromatically seem town. Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice. cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him. nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread. Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too. Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow. Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim. Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 05:52 Umasi wrote: can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something? If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it. I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess. Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 05:53 Chromatically wrote: I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon. Super didn't make a real case, that's the difference. Besides, now I am on a wagon, voting for super if anyone missed it. | ||
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jrkirby
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That's a really, really, shitty reason. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:19 Chromatically wrote: Because Kirby isn't being bad, he's being scum. He's trying to look like he's contributing while doing nothing. No one "doesn't know how to pressure". It consists of saying what you're thinking. If he was really town, and really had a scumread on Sponge, he would have brought it up to the thread. He didn't have any scumreads at all (before the wagon on him). If he was town, he would have at least some suspicions, even if they're bad, because he's trying to scumhunt. On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. You aren't even reading my filter, man. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 06:28 Chromatically wrote: I actually quoted that in my case, if you were reading mine. Saying something is a "tiny bit suspicious" doesn't constitute a scumread, it constitutes a weak suspicion that you can go with or back out of at any time. Well I'm sorry if I didn't commit 100% to something 3 hours into day 1. That's just not the way I play. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 06:33 Umasi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&user=jrkirby that may actually be downright false, kirby What do you mean? I didn't commit to someone until near the end of the first day. And even in that game people were giving me shit for not backing up the reads I made early. | ||
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jrkirby
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Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then? Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 07:48 Rainbows wrote: Scum are the quiet ones. 100%. Lynch Gotard last hour of game :o I would absolutely love this. A bunch of people agree that he's scum, too. | ||
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jrkirby
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I'm not setup to die atm. | ||
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jrkirby
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Oh wait, I am pretty close. But anyway, if I'm blue, you'll know it on the flip. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 08:20 Koshi wrote: /singed Stop being a martyr kirby. Keep fucking talking and let us know why you are town. Find new shit somewhere. Prove why we want you to stick around. Because you are going to die if votes don't change. Chrom has a stronger position than me and hz combined so... I'm not martyring. I don't have much left to say. I defended myself, posted, my reads... One last defence, who might my scumteam be? If I flipped, I don't see who's next. If super flips scum, then chrom is pretty clearly some scummy looking thing. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 08:26 Umasi wrote: That's not a defense Kirby But it is something to think about. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @WAGONMEN (Mr. Kirby and Mr. Superfluous) The Grand Tribunal Of Townie Bloodlust has proven that it holds your fate in their hands. Mr. Chromatically and Mr. hzflank have done admiral jobs presenting and defending your cases. But now.... you must deal with us. Appeal to The Tribunal: defend your innocence, attack your foe, and try give us something to work with, for Pete's sake. EBWOP, I meant to quote this. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:45 Chromatically wrote: I was pretty sure that they were both scum, butI have doubts that scum Koshi would be hard defending scum Kirby as much as he just did. Those preflip associations, man. | ||
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I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super. Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch. Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check. That's the best I got, GG guys. | ||
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jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote: KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE I posted almost the same thing earlier | ||
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jrkirby
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Also, everyone who I personally accused of being scum was scum: both hzflank and gotard. Major points for me? | ||
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