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Im sure it is. but it just seems so strange that whatever timezone has the largest chunk of people have the most reactive votes. (which i believe are important if somebody gets instalynched.) or wait. this might be deadline majority and i didnt read the OP. Fuck im tired. | ||
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I just wanted to post this before the game started. yaknow, so people cant say this is an excuse to lurk as scum, cuz i dont know my role yet. i work Tuesday,Thursday, Saturday from 2:30-11 this week (its 1:54 right now for me, so use that for timezone conversion shit, EST) and ill post my schuelde when i get it friday-saturdayish. Excited for this :D | ||
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Meanwhile. i had to clean up a fucking bloody mess. this guy has a "calice" half the size of an egg and it burst. he said he didnt feel anythingm but it was like somebody dropped a quart of blood onto the floor and it splattered. i didnt even think it was blood until i saw his foot. but thats a new one. " cleanup in isle 12" arrives to a poorly covered murder scene.... T.T they dont pay me enough for this shit lol | ||
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i spend most of my time doing all the other shit courtisy clerks are involved in. And its just a summer job while i take college classes. im 18. BUT this was nowhere near as bad as when i worked at the spring/flatstock shop(think minifactory) where my dad works at and i watched a guy coil 1/3rd thick wire straight into his palm. Im not one to gag at blood and shit. but watching him basically unscrew his palm made me throw up. (it falayed it pretty damn bad) The work there wasnt that bad and i was pretty good at it. Exhausting work but basically thst experience+everybody telling me this is why you go to college, so you dont hav to work at a place like this your entire life. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on. i know usami has touched on this, but i see voting for No-lynch is like sacrificing a townie or playing russian roullet for zero prize money. its just basically saying "i want to start this game a townie down" it seems silly to me, if somebody comes and gives me an ungodly reason for no-lynching ill hear it. but i see it as silly. Also from playing with usami before, hes a super fucking hyper aggressive person who needs like a single post to tunnel somebody for a full day, that can be bad. we need to keep our eyes open and looking at multiple people. As i learned my first game, a tunnel vision day1 can lead to a mislynch, or in this gametype, a no-lynch. Its far better to lynch scum, and thats what we should try to do. Even day1 we lynch either a lurker or our top scumread, if nobody has any strong scumreads, lynching the scummiest lurker is the best townplay day1. (it yields the highest chance of killing scum while creating the best pro-town enviroment) with that im also shocked of how active stim-addict is being. its nice to see a usual lurker picking it up leaving less for the scum to hide behind :D again, even Superfluous is at the top of my scumdar, he isnt high enough to deserve a vote yet. I want to lynch a lurker or superfluous depending on how he reacts to our posts and the events of the day. if the rest of it goes uneventful/no major scumslips i want to fuck up a lurker as i believe that to be the best pro-town action. | ||
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Seriously, da fuck. Im doing my best to improve my play and your just calling me out for it. That i find strange. | ||
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Chromatically: Tunnels the fuck out of him quite uncharacteristically, brought up a few nice points but a lot of them can be countered by why in the hell would scum do this. Yes his play is bad altogether, but i see it as a townie giving up, not as a mafia trying to prove his innocence in the worst way possible. it just doesn't seem logical to me. I feel like day1 last game he was poking and prodding a lot more and at different people, trying to get reads all around. this game i see him set his sights on somebody who has RQ the thread at a very strange time and place. His arguement isnt something i could support at the moment, it just doesnt seem to have decent logic. while stim certainly isnt pro town, he has done nothing to appear to me that he is any scummier than the person who is blindly tunneling him. Superfluous: shockingly enough hasnt mentioned stim once in his filter, that seems strange. his original point was one that i think most of us disagree with and i already posted my thoughts on it. But he hasnt said anything about stim which i think should be noted, idk what it means yet, but this piqued my interest. Usami: null, never try to get a read on usami. appeal to his cocaine dealer first, tell him were going to have an intervention for Usami, then a week later we can all get together and parse something of a read on him. :D No seriously heres my actual read on Usami: he votes stim with good reason, as if he was saying "your most likely scum on my list, but if not your a counterproductive town so you can still die and ill be happy" i like that, because it makes the town much stronger as time goes on, obviously i would prefer scum lynches but if you see no clear scum to lynch, this thought process is best thought process imo. jrkirby: claims he has a null read on stim- after doing sensible things when you have a null read, like trying to calm him down to remove emotion from his posts (because an angry poster is a bad poster), his entire take on stim can be summed up by his last post: On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. But on the road to getting there he seemed to tunnel him the least of all and keep his options around on everybody, i like how he didnt just total tunnel vision him like chrom, because he helps the town far more by simply looking at others. I like that. he pressured hurricane and has spoken to half the thread, that much i like. He may be hedging as stim just said, but i think its early enough that it might not be the worst of things to do early day1, but if he keeps it up it will look might suspicious. Right now i feel like hes town still. i am happy that somebody brought up the hedging point, because before i saw that i had him pegged as one of my stronger town reads, now i can see a smart ruse that i might have totally fallen for. Hurricane Sponge: Started the day off with his 'if i roll town heres my first post of the day thats obviously pre-written cuz its so damn long" and gets slightly pressured for it. He started the day by saying everything he knows about everybody, this is actually useful to town, its alot like knowing if somebody is EURO or american timezone. it doesnt mean very much as to their alignment, but it helps you know that they arnt lurking, they are sleeping. i hope you get what im saying. Anyway after his opening post he provides the most in depth post as to the stim ordeal, and its seriously pro-town and hopefully shoved logic down alot of these guys throats. i really liked his massive post about it, and at the moment its convinced me hes town. This is my strongest town read at the moment and i like this thoughts about the situtation. He asks alot of good questions that i cant find an answer for, Like wouldnt his scumbuddies tell him to slow down and breathe, or claim it was a joke or something. i cant see a scum just lone wolfing it and responding to THAT much pressure without consulting his scumbuddies/coach. i get why he wouldnt want to die, nobody wants to die. but it was his massive case that made me think that he really isnt all that scummy at the moment, is he pro-town, most certianly not, but he isnt scummy to me, it just reminds me of my friend i duo queue with for LoL, the moment anybody calls him a noob i spend the next 10 minutes over skype saying "it doesnt matter" "calm down" "your fucking 9/1/5 this game, you arnt a god damn noob" but he still spams the all-chat while totally ignoring me. But in a game like this i cant see that happening. or if it did and he was scum, the other scum would have no choice but the buss the shit out of him if he REALLY cant control his emotions THAT poorly. Hzflank: he has two short and sweet posts and that get to the point about him, i really like this one in particular: On July 13 2013 23:59 hzflank wrote: Stim was caught lying about the motivation behind his posts. In my opinion, lying about motivation is one of the scummiest things a person could do on day 1. Stim's defence was to martyr, and I am not willing to give anyone credit for martyring. As far as I am concerned that is a red mark against Stim. During the course of the game everyone gets red marks against them. The important thing is to look at each red mark and ask 'Could that have come from a town position?'. In this case I think it could of come from a town position, based on my earlier assumption that Stim took the original post too seriously and later tried to invent justification for his posts based on a less serious early position. A red mark, but not enough to make me highly confident that he is scum. The other important thing about red marks is to get a feel for how many there are compared to green marks and posts in general. This is where the martyring is a problem, as we need Stim to continue to contribute. @Stim, I suggest that you move on. Instead of discussing what has already happened, dive some filters and form the best reads that you can. Then post your reads, showing as much of your reasoning as you can. This will give us new things to discuss with you, so that you do not have to keep talking about that happened yesterday. If you do not post again then the red mark will still be there but there will not be any green marks to balance it. and it would appear as if stim took his reasonable advice and did so, making him far more useful as town and created a few green marks to start to balance it out. I basically agree with everything said here. he tries to slow things down and give stim a chance to respond, this is something that very few people did, and its something that more people should have done. im glad he didn't ragequit the game and that he did take the time to make a massively informative post, because now he has made one massively pro-town post, and if this continues most of my doubts about him will continue to falter. | ||
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On July 14 2013 06:09 Umasi wrote: @XZAVIER Spoil me, who's your largest scum read? Have you mentioned it and I totally missed it? Super at the moment. but im catching up on thread now. Lunch just started. | ||
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But right now super & jkirby both blink bright red on my scumdar. super has talked of policy then threw a halfass vote at me when asked to vote. didnt even try to convince people to vote with him. Wasting a vote is a horrible thing. | ||
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On July 14 2013 15:23 StiMaDDict wrote: Disappointed that Xzavier hasn't posted yet. Waiting on Cloud 9's reads. Sorry. I had to go to sleep when i got home. I had to wake up early for work. i get off ay 2:15 and will deside between taking a power nap or being super active on this. that sill probably depend on how work goes. I will get some good posts in and b active before the deadline because for once, thank god, i hav 4 hours of not being at work before it  | ||
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Im sorry for working a fuckton, im home for the rest of the day and will be active for the most part( ill be active for sure before and up to the deadline, it would be horrid if we didnt get a lynch off) my schuelde last week was this 2:30-11 pretty much every day the second half of the week, add classes in the morning to that and what else do you want me to do? my schuelde for this week is alot nicer and i can see myself being able to be present more. So ill do that. And people will be happy and like it. after reading the cases on super and jkirby, im kinda feeling like they are slightly more useful than somebody like cloud-9 who has lurked the entire fucking game. like i said a while back they were both on my scumdar, right now i want to lynch super, because his play has shown no potential to benefit town. laddies and gents, i give you: SUPERRRRR the only thing i dont understand about him is why vote me when everybody else clearly states that you dont have a tangible reason to do so? and then you make a case on a different person but dont switch your vote? I dont follow your play at all, its confusing. But its scummy because it couldnt possibly be from a town perspective. you havent dont much at all in the ways of actively scumhunt. i get that you werent here yesterday and im the last one to yell at you for lurking, but beyond that you actually havnt added anythign to the conversation, or defended yourself. Have made a point to dodge questions that a town would love to jump at in order to display innocence. him sticking to his "gut-read" is damning the town. he needs to vote on a bandwagon or we run the possibility of a no-lynch which by far benefits scum the most, we NEED to get a lynch off. jkirby also throwing his vote away is worrying me, but atleast hes made a case on the person he has voted for. basically what this boils down to is im voting Super because i havnt seen any actual real scumhunting out of him and iv seem attempts (although unsuccessful/silly) out of Jkirby, This leads me to think that he is actually trying. ##VOTE: Superfluous | ||
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can you say why? i feel like he has more potential to be useful to town than super has? | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Typical Xzavier OMGUS post. The basis for your entire vote on him is because he voted for you. Try to expand your horizons a bit, Xzavier... Yes it is, but unlike the aqua game, his reasoning for voting me is total shit. Like actually non-existant. If he woulda gave a reason and made a case then i would have a shaky slight scumread on him instead of what i have now. instead he made a case on somebody else but didnt switch his vote. It all seems too strange for me. This isnt just OMGUS, but him voting me is actually incriminating the way it went down. On July 15 2013 05:35 Rainbows wrote: unvote vote: jrkirby cus chrom said so i really, seriously hope this is sarcasm. | ||
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Its sooooo fucking risky though and could easily end up in a no-lynch if the slightest thing goes wrong(if i understand correctly, like last 5 min we all switch to gotard) Chromatically, i think your case has alot of valid points, and while only a few of the origional points show scum, most of the points you disproved to be bad play, not town. Nobody wants a game involving bad logic, ect. Sure it might not mean scum, but you dont want to try to convince somebody who doesnt understand logic. It just could get messy. Thats an example. Your case convinced me you were town chrom, and it also forced me to open my eyes and do a bit of my own investigating, but attacking somebody who said he would be away for a good amount of time out of desperation with 20+ hours left before lynch seems like the better scum option, being as the town option could proove his innocents by scumhunting and making reasonable cases. he did neither. It also made me lose alot of confidence in my scumread on him, but its still the biggest scumread i have after that. On July 15 2013 05:53 Chromatically wrote: I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon. your taking alot of my smaller points and saying "You think hes scum for this" as if thats the only reason i think hes scum, alot of the things your bringing up at stuff taht says "look into this guy" and if i get enough of those, i call it "scummy" my larger point as i think sponge pointed out was him voting me out of nowhere and then making a case on a different person. That just doesnt make logic connect from a town POV. and that alone wouldnt be enough for me, but add all the little sprinkles your quoting in and it moves him to my #1 scumread. Kirby is certianly on my list of scumreads so dont except me to say i think hes town or someshit, But i think hes more likely to be town than super, this being why im voting for super. | ||
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i honestly am so lost right now, i think super is a fine lynch. But im not following this tribunal at all, it appears to have formed during my 25 min game of LoL.. T.T is the tribunal the hammer that was going to hit gotard really close before the end? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:17 Umasi wrote: the tribunal is OUR GLORIOUS LEADER, Rainbows, and me Basically we will swap votes wherever to prevent no lynch shenaniganry. i like this idea, because the three most active people who i have strong townreads on working together. This is like the anti-scum team with their own KP (actually stealing the towns KP xD) i like the idea of this, im kinda afraid of how quickly it formed right before a deadline, as in my first game of mafia, stupid shit happens when there are 5 posts a minute up till the deadline. apart from that i like it. the leader is hurricane right? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:21 Nightcat99 wrote: and i disagree with the role claim because if they are going to die theres no reason for the scum to know we are missing a blue or if there are enough scum vote to save them last sec and switch to someone else that would be worst, cause now they can get 2 people if a 1-2 people switch last moment and suddenly its a mislynch, shits gonna go down. That goes without saying. (i mean, last minute with absolutely shit reason or no reason, hell even a good reason, it would need to be a reason that makes me bow down and worship their scumhunting skills for me to not lynch them the next day, certainly if its a blue mislynch) they would instantly become 90% of what i would talk about the next day. also, if this fucking tribunal is the scumteam, im going to cry myself to sleep tonight, and hope i never wake up. | ||
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i dont see how im agreeing with the consensus now as i already cast my vote a long time ago and have mado no notion of moving it, xD | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote: DOUBLE SECRET TRIBUNAL MEETING Attn: If you are not part of the Incredible Tribunal For Make Great Benefit Lynching Daily, you must stop reading this post now and cover your eyes. Alright, now that all the legit folks are in here, I think we've gotten some useful information. We've confirmed that we control 4 mobile votes today (this may change in the future). Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows, Nightcat. In addition, we have two semi-mobile votes in Chromatically (probably) and hzflank (maybe probably), both unconfirmed however. We could go after the scummiest Other. The more I think about Rainbow's 'town-town' claim, the more it seems like a possibility. I'm still leaning Super as scummiest, but we can talk about that after I get thoughts on the following play: We could totally drop Gotard or Koshi tonight if we wanted. Koshi is in the 'too scum to be scum' category for me right now. Gonna dive his filter. Gotard is gotard. For right now, I want tribunal thoughts on this play. im worried that this is too big, i liked it when it was just you three, but when you add more you are giving an open invitation to sheep with little to no reason and nothing to lose if its a mislynch, because they were simply following orders. i dont think there is a scum in the core 3, but im super worried that scum can easily tag along and ride the wagon for free. | ||
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hell thats all i hear anyway .... no seriously: my logic is saying super, other people have brought up valid points against kirby, and i LOVE chrom's last post, i dont want to do the vote-switch now because there is no way in hell for all of us to filter-dive him in only 15 min and make up our own minds, but hes a serious lynch candidate for me day2 and I'm going to filter dive him as soon as this day ends. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:43 Chromatically wrote: I think I would prefer a switch to Koshi right now. Read his filter and look at his opinions on Kirby/Super: It seems like he thinks both are very similar in scumminess. Then, with no reasoning, he accuses me of tunneling, being full of shit, and starts attacking Super and hard defending Kirby. He also gave this nonsense reason for a town read on Kirby: this post btw, and yeah im getting scum vibes from koshi too | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:48 Hurricane Sponge wrote: But... but... Xzavier.... BIG PLAYS! This is like somebody saying "ya-know whats a great idea, gambling" and then they go gamble their entire lifesavings on red. Its a good idea, but we need to talk it out, we cant all blindly sheep in 10 min, thats not a big play, thats a hail mary. i certianly want to look super deep into him day2 but im not physically capable for making a case in under 30 min. | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:55 Koshi wrote: Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch. what in the living fuck is this??? your not confirmed town until your dead, scum might make a day1 bus plan JUST because people like you would think that, NEVER is a word that loses games in mafia, only the dead are confirmed. even with his green flip i fail to see where you get town cred? defending town makes you look a little better, but since scum can defend town too, it makes it pretty WIFOMy, everybody defends town and scum alike on accident occasionally, but its all WIFOM because there is no way to know for sure, so yes you gained an ants fart of town cred for defending him. you certainly are still on my list of candidates for day2 lynch, dont kid yourself. | ||
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whats your thoughts on the town circle? | ||
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Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time. now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar. On July 15 2013 08:19 Nightcat99 wrote: no i cannot make a case to not vote for jrkirby because i stated that i want to make sure to have 1 person lynch, when i came back it seem super was the more likely target but since you guys disagree. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE JRKIRBY being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully. My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now ______ now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that. if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote. | ||
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On July 16 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd like to hear people's thoughts on a matter regarding last night's Near-Lynch of Superfluous: Superfluous' vote stayed on Xzavier all day, even in the face of his own impending lynch. Any sane person looking to save themselves would have put that vote onto Kirby at some point late in the day, whether they were Town or Scum. I've tried to logic it out, but I can't come up with anything that seem plausible. Can anyone come up with reasons for Town and / or for Scum to behave like this? mabye just giving up? but as it played out that doesnt seem to be the case. Mabye it was to avoid looking like scum and panicking to do everythign possible to stay alive, but if that was the case he would have been doing his best to make strong cases against me, but he made a case against another person. i see no logic. yeah, i got nothing to. | ||
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On July 16 2013 07:24 Nightcat99 wrote: it seems like i am getting a lot of heat for my early lurking but i feel that i have explain and apologize for that enough. so i will just do my best from this point on and show my activity level and not make any more rash decision. scumhunting is the core of any town player, They dive filters and try to find scum. Surviving until the end is how scum win, no matter what play they make being the last one alive is the goal. Of course town wants to surivive as well, which is what makes this into an actual game, but the more you scumhunt (logically) the more townie you appear to be, For town scumhunting accomplishes both of their goals, so dont think "how can i make this up to you" because the answer is finding scum and winning the game. Also scum wants to appease the town and basically take the mindset of "how can i correct my mistakes" dont just be active, scumhunt. | ||
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I think that player A is scum. i get night killed. therefore player A must be scum removing a potential threat right? not really, becasuse scum might be player B killing me just so everybody thinks its player A thats scum. thats basically as simple an explanation of wifom i can give | ||
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i dont have work wednesday so ill be active then for sure :D i just wanted to throw that out after the night post | ||
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sup super. ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay? if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it. | ||
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so your crazy last minute swich to gotard was a plan to lynch him???? it would be one thing if you asked everybody to swtich to gotard now and then made a case, but without even a case saying "lets all lynch him in the last momeny" thats something that i called you out on and you responded to correctly? im really worried that your bringing it up now. dont get me wrong i still think your town, but stop being so damn scum today! my townread on you has gone down from "id eat my shirt if he flipped scum" to "your still more pro-town than everybody else" stop before it falls further, please | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:20 Superfluous wrote: I get the feeling you barely even know what you are saying. It's like you see when other people raise criticisms of me then copy them exactly. Also, it feels SO SCUMMY that you and Umasi are so quick to vote an hour into the day. Don't forget that after the jkirby lynch a decent amount of town said that they felt it was too easy and a town-town lynch, including rainbows who is dead and proved town. I'd also like to go back on what I said about umasi. Generally I feel it is a good, pro-town move to put pressure on people and get info from them. On day one he pushed me and jrkirby and it didn't work out. Now that's not the worst thing in the world, but then that he immediately goes back and puts pressure on me instead of forcing info/ reads from other people which is much more productive. It's fine that I'm his biggest scum read and he wants to vote for me, but why the rush to vote? It doesn't make him scum, but I don't feel he's clearly town anymore. no. votes this early arnt looking for lynches, they are looking to motivate fellow possible scum/lurkers to be more god damn pro-town. votes early in the day are generally pressure lynches. fuck i told you what you had to do to get my vote off you. | ||
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why shit? this could be a jailkeeper or a scum roleblocker. now im worried about you? | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:36 Alakaslam wrote: Appears they may. However you may have been jailed too. Hmm. I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town? was this even a question? fuck no the JK shoudlnt claim, thats stupid. and yes chrom should have claimed, if nobody else claims they were roleblocked we now know that in this game there is atleast 1 of the following two, a town JK, or a scum RB. If we get another roleblocked claim then we know we have both. this helps town because this gives town more information. having the JK claim gifts a power role to scum. please stop | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:38 Chromatically wrote: So Xzavier: Rainbows, Koshi, and Super were your top 3 scumreads, even though you never explain your reads on Koshi or Rainbows. Then what is this? Are you expecting me to believe that you made a case on your FOURTH best scumread before making a case on ANY of the top three? How about i was BRINGING NEW INFORMATION to the table? i saw somethign new, and i posted it because i dont think very many other people saw it. i dont think i ever said once in that that nightcat was my top scumread. just a scumread, i never actually put them in order, and that was my mistake | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:46 Chromatically wrote: Anyway, these NKs don't make any sense at all, they were two highly likely mislynches for today. Scum + SK is Gotard+Nightcat+Xzavier with an outside chance of Super. Everyone else is really town (yes, including Onegu and Alaka). because logic? | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:52 Nightcat99 wrote: and can anyone explain why i am getting so much heat, i mean i have explained the early lurking but guess theres a problem with if i was lieing or not here but theres no way for me to prove that unless you guys want a copy of my plane ticket  and as far as the early day random roles, i through iwas out of time and i have to vote. your getting heat for making excuses for your lurking (which is okay to give, but not enough alone) and not scumhunting, the more you scumhunt the less heat you get. | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:54 hzflank wrote: Sure they would. It's factional KP anyway. If they do not claim then the JK might think they are scum. On the other hand, that's only if he was RB by town JK. If he was RB by a scum RBer then Chrom is town. i fail to see the logic in the second half of that post | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:57 hzflank wrote: Why on earth would scum RB one of their team? how in hell would we be able to differentiate who did the roleblocking? and scum could fakeclaim getting RB'd and wifom | ||
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On July 16 2013 11:32 Chromatically wrote: Stim wasn't scummy looking, don't be silly. stim never was never confirmed town either | ||
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but your right he didnt make a scum list in a LONG time | ||
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On July 16 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote: Xzavier, explain how your read on Rainbows changed from top 3 town to top 3 scum. post-flip association. i had a feeling after seeing the flip that one of the three was likely scum, or it was nightcat joining in. (or possibly even both, but less likely) The fact that it was a town-flip and the apathy along with it on his end moved him from town-read to scum-read. my orginal town-read on him was based on his activity day1 being beneficial to the town, after that shitstortm that was an hour before the lynch he just sheeped and contradicted himself. I know alot of what im saying was based off cases that other people wrote, but those cases actually convinced me to rethink my townread on him, and rethink it i did. he just didnt "fit" into that tribunal the way the other two did. | ||
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On July 16 2013 11:47 Chromatically wrote: You posted this about all three of them after the flip. after reading the cases against him thats what changed it, i dont quite remember the order but thats how it went down. | ||
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being taht rainbow turned up dead i wanted to revert back to pressuring super because nightcat magically showed up to post and stopped lurking. My goal with that was to get the other to stop lurking and start helping. Nightcat is scummy, no shit i think that super is scummy considering i voted for him yesterday, and since all he did post-flip was hardcore lurk i chose to pressure him today. | ||
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On July 16 2013 12:11 Alakaslam wrote: It's funny how I replaced a perfectly new and almost rational player with B A T S H I T Insane like this day wasnt insane enough | ||
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i think iv already said that most of my tomorrow is stupidly busy, my wednesday is totally free though after class (in the morning, so it will be the same time people usually wake up (around noon) | ||
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its in there now. totally forgot about that | ||
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but you still have to try. anyway im off to work for 8 hours, use the good old @Xzavier to ask me something short and sweet and ill try to respond during lunch.breaks. when i get home im going to contemplate dropping calc or running away from home, so i might check in here | ||
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That said it worries me because it could be easy to be oblivioys and make yourself seem worse than you are the moment simebody brings it up. i dont want to clear hin just on that. Super is acting like a deer in headlights, which is annoying. Im not seeing enough scumhunting out of either of them. Gotard doesnt look good right now. considering how hard it is to get reads out him. | ||
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I have absolutely zero free time today and am finding time to post. This is really bugging me. expecially if he gets super active before the lynch. i see his plan as letting other cases build while he isnt around.. That i find frustrating cause he hasnt proved me wrong yet | ||
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super is still lurking hardcore, and has no reason not to considering nobody is voting for him or continueing to pressure him. i feel strange that he would be content to just sit and let the lynch happen without weighing in on it. | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:38 Alakaslam wrote: In other words I must try. I will get a few, but try makin a case from your phone sometime, multiple quotes phone posting is an art. i still have y et to learn how to copy+paste on my phone so yeah. xD | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it. i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity). hes already posted, and he can wait to vote until he deems it too late to be lynched tonight yet not too late to instantly get lynched the next day, queue the damned if you do damned if you dont. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity). i dislike gambling on a modkill to kill my scummiest read. I dislike that alot. Your basically saying "IF YOUR SCUM DONT VOTE AND GET MODKILLED, THIS WAY WE START FRESH WITH YOU" On July 18 2013 04:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote: This is messed up. If he's following his wincon to the max, his only play now is to get himself /replaced. That is some seriously screwed up shit. exactly | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote: What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case. if thats the case then why isnt he helping us scumhunt. If he has nothing to hide, then why wouldnt he post when he isnt under threat? if he believes his case is closed then why is he afraid of posting? | ||
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actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself. dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: I mean if I'm scum of course I'll defend. If I'm town I don't give a rat's ass so I don't Where is the bus if I'm scum why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: why the fuck would scum need to bus you yet???? you seriously think your position right now is that your lynch is unavoidable O.O i dont get it, at all. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job. please dont do this shit. Its towns duty to defend himself to the last breadth, and make as many logical cases and answer as many questions while he lives. A town player loves chances to defend himself, and loves nothing more than to defend himself.... | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:32 Alakaslam wrote: EBWOP oh yeah, vig shot. Ok, so scratch that point I guess go re-read the start of day2 please, we realized its impossible for it to be a vigi because he cant shoot N1 and SK have to shoot every night | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:32 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Sponge's Official Meta Dictated (but not read) by Professor Emeritus Alakaslam: And Lo! Shall the Hurricane known as Sponge not be allowed to have fun at the silliness that may ensue in The Game. For that shall be deemed inconsistent with his demeanor most dour. sure its not the wheelchair meta of OMGUS? | ||
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Im trying to follow your leaps alaka, but i cant. and i can follow Hurricanes. | ||
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I CALL UPON THE VOTES OF THE OTHERWORLDY SOULS HEAR ME AS I CALL YOUR VOTES INTO EXISTANCE KOSHI, FIRMTOFU, BLAZINGHAND, RAINBOWS, JKIRBY JOIN US AS WE LYNCH THE UNGRATEFUL SCUM OF THIS GALAXY CAST YOUR VOTES DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS UPON THINE THAT KNOWS THE NAME OF CHROMATICALLY | ||
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Oh, i forgot the one guy who carried me in my first mafia game, he was the JK, whats his name again? oh god hes gonna kill me for this | ||
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OH HIS NAME WAS fferyllt I CALL ON HIS SOUL TOO | ||
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called it. who are you voting son and why shouldnt we lynch you? | ||
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Im looking at it like this: at LYLO do i want: PLAYER A: posts a good amount and makes zero sense and gives you headaches PLAYER B: lurks and contributes minimally. however i like your point about umasi. and what made umasi a more obvious NK target then chrom or hurricane? | ||
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meaning its gotards turn to die today. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE GOTARD | ||
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Im doing my best not to tunnel him if you cant tell xD | ||
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Now that hes posted again, with a post that has pro-town insights | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Alakaslam, you got any thoughts on the wild Superfluous appearing from the tall grass? use mean look. dont let him go back to lurking. please. his timing cant be overlooked. he waited until it was impossible for him to be lynched to post/vote. | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: If he lurks Day 3, my Patent Pending Alakaslam Lose Shit Meter that I borrowed will be in the thousands. i think i know what this means, but im not positive. your saying youll put off alakasms lynch or lynch him instantly? | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:11 Alakaslam wrote: Damn that thing works by percentage- I only ever hit 120 on it today wat does this mean???? | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:26 Alakaslam wrote: Super post is based on skimming. Skimming will give you these impressions. Sigh. I can really only call him null. I can see these conclusions coming from town. They already have. i basically get the same thing. his insights about umasi and chrom were nice, but shallow. i expect alot more text from somebody who lurks for 40 hours. it rubs me more towards town, but the timing of the post makes me think hes scum, if starts to be active, then he can start clearing my massive scum read on him imo. but as long as he lurks hes scum to me. you need to post and scumhunt, and filterdive. you cant just skim the thread and then say things you notice. | ||
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im watching ESPORTS Mafia. so ill check back in when thats over. | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:49 Alakaslam wrote: SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI SVENGALI I AM UNLEASHED great case on nightcat | ||
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On July 19 2013 05:17 Xzavier wrote: I get off work in 2 hours. then ill do an info dump. well fuck, i was schuelded to get off at 6, then shit hit the fan and i stayed an extra 90 minutes to clean up the mess :/ On July 19 2013 05:38 Umasi wrote: I'm not sold on Xzavier either way, I've read him as town, but that might be bias from previous games. For whatever reason, he "feels" town and I'll leave it at that. One of these days though you'll have to have a day off Xzav, I expect great things from you that day :3 Tomorrow i get off "earlier" than normal, the bullshit that happened today wont happen two days in a row(i made sure of it) anyway tomorrow night ill be super active and youll see many a great thing. On July 19 2013 07:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote: EBWOP: The reason it sticks out to me is because Chrom used the same argument during the Day 1 lynch, and it managed to get the votes to swing to his target. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:55 Chromatically wrote: Wow, look at all the scum resistance to this Super lynch. Mafia may have observed that phenomenon and lightly tried to test those waters themselves (at sufficiently disparate intervals). this makes me more scummy that chrom how? he did it day1? i did it day2? both of us were "wrong" or atleast didnt get our preferred lynch. On July 19 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote: @Xzavier What is your read on me and why? Overall Townish. of late your acting less pro-town. Not enough that i can call you mafia. but your Original content/findings seems to be lacking of late. if it keeps up im going to get worried. my townread on you is diminishing because of this. but at the moment your still town. from what iv seen we basically have 3(4) lynch candidates for tomorrow: Super, Alaka, Nightcat, (there was a case against sponge too, i dont like it but ill acknowldge it) and i dont think people were in love with onegu either. but i dont think he is going to be a lynch candidate for tomorrow. for me: (top is strongest read, bottom is weakest read) Town reads: Sponge Umasi Chrom Hzflank scum reads: Super Nightcat,alakazam onegu this was thrown together far quicker than i would have liked to make it, but i was held so late at work. ill elaborate more later tonight | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:34 Superfluous wrote: I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this. i get what your saying with the first half, and i seriously dont think anybody to be stupid enough to fake-claim after seeing the Rolebloker die. Thats a silly play and would get lynched the next day if nobody else said anything (unless the JK hit teh SK and there was only 1 NK) i didnt follow your green text in the slightest | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:41 Superfluous wrote: In other games I've played, when jailer roleblocks someone they also get to have a private conversation with them. It's like "oh you're in my jail so let's talk without anyone else knowing." For instance cop could claim under this situation without fear of being outed. It would be useful to know, but I don't think that's how it works here. um, thats what teh masoner is for i thought, no way they would make jailer a rolebocker+medic+masoner.. that would be silly | ||
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On July 19 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote: Mmmh. Xzavier not jokin anymore. Yeah they were joke posts, but defense thyself, generally. Why aren't you scum? Show me that which you have done which is pro town, and explain thy mistakes. I Dinnae get it with you yet, this is not a case or accusation. I want you to clear it up a bit. okay simple, iv been doing my best to bring new insightful points to the town. I think i made my case fairly clear as to why i was so late to join the gotard lynch, and it was because i wanted somebody who ended up lurking for what 40+ hours to fucking post before the deadline. that bugged me. i never expected him to get lynched that day, but i was hoping i could force him into posting. I would be retarded to think if i was scum that i could switch the lynch, theres literally no reason to not bus somebody whos already dead if your scum. that was my thought process on the gotard lynch. also with super being active again im happy, but hes still my number 1 suspect going into today. He needs to use his new-found activity to convince me hes town. as to why im not scum, if i knew that Hz and gotard were scumbuddies, i would have bussed gotard for being inactive, thats plain and simple. im rather convinced that gotard is not scum because its pretty obvious what the scumplan for day3 must have been, its there in large neon lights: LETS GET A MISLYNCH ON UMASI DAY3!!! so hes pretty much even more fucking town for me right now. i liked the points that i brought up against nightcat, those were fresh and new. and whenever possible iv been contributing to discussion. When i got home from picking up broken glass for 2 hours (which is why i had to stay late today) i was fucking exhausted. So i made the post that needed to be made in case i die (i was rather sure i wouldnt, because the SK is keeping me around for WIFOM since people were accusing me of being that earlier) and the scum have far better threats to them then me and my world renowned scumhunting skills. i think that nightcat is playing the "noob" card too strongly, i mean in my first game i didnt ask people obvious things just too look like a noob(it came naturally, didnt need to), i would just google them to see what they were talking about then get back into the game. the points i brought up against the tribunal ( about keeping it small ) were also very pro-town. at the fuckfest towards the end of day1 i made pro-town plays. even though there was a possiblity to lynch gotard that day, i dont want to lynch somebody who had a small case against him that nobody got a chance to discuss in a short amount of time, it turns out he was scum anyway, but imo 9 times out of 10 pulling shit like that can pull away from a better lynch into a mislynch, that happened my first game of mafia and i got mislynched in the last 5 minutes because votes were changing at silly speeds and nobody could keep track of anything. so without knowing the end results it was a pro-town move, now that we know the end results you can say i was "defending" him but in reality i didnt want to lynch somebody without being able to discuss it first. the mistakes iv made have been sheeping peoples cases without finding more to add myself, i have been like "okay i like this case, this is a good case" and then i go off and try to find the other scums. I have found good insights into some of the players who are still alive at this point, you cant say that isnt useful. My omgus which i still feel like HE is the one who was doing teh OMGUSing (as he did a weaksauce FoS while under lots of pressure then contradicted himself into bullshit that there are plenty of cases describing that i dont need to quote because you all have seen them) super, i think that hes certainly not town, he lurks to avoid the threat of being a lynch candidate/attention at the cost of giving town zero benefit. thats as far from pro-town as i can think. sure the post he came back with was good, but not good enough to justify lurking for over 40 hours. anyway this is about me and not my friend called OMGUS who controls the left half of my brain. i will not allow myself to look at a case, agree with it, then play a game of LoL and go to sleep anymore. The other mistake i think iv been making alot has to do with my activity, i have only really been trying to pressure 1-2 people and i need to open my eyes a little bit more to others and share the love (ofc not all at once as thats silly) but i need to push people other than super. is there anything else you would like me to clear up that i have missed? (sorry for not organizing this by order of things happening, its more of a puke from brain into text) | ||
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On July 20 2013 14:04 Alakaslam wrote: I find it odd that only Umasi and I seem to have noticed Helllllllooooooooooo town! Earth to town! Aqua is in obs... Only scum game I ever played obs could comment in scum chat so Meant to say super. at work right now. ill respond to case when i get home. i was fuckong exhausted yesterday as shown by the typos (gotard where i meant to say umasi. aqua out of nowhere) Ask all the questions you like and ill get around to them after i get home in 6 hours. im also playing league with a friend tonight so ill only be around for a few hours then in between games. | ||
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On July 20 2013 14:10 Chromatically wrote: The worst part about Xzav is that his reads are literally a transcription of town sentiment. Here's his original read on Kirby: A stronger town read, but when Kirby comes under more pressure and becomes a serious lynch target: No reasoning given, just a plain 180 based on town sentiment. Xzav never mentions Nightcat before this, but as soon as pressure starts building onto Nightcat, Xzav randomly makes a case on him that he NEVER pushes at all. This part is even weirder given the whole top 3 thing, where Nightcat was apparently not even in Xzav's top 3 scumreads. But, for some reason, Xzav felt it was better for him to make a case on Nightcat as opposed to, say, Super, his top scumread. He also totally 180s on Rainbows because of "the points brought up against him", no explanation given. Rainbows was apparently in his "top 3 town" earlier, but the few things that people said about him were good enough to switch that read to "top 3 scum" (when the points were really not that convincing). Other stuff: This actually doesn't make sense at all. Apparently Super is his top scumread, so Xzav is convinced that Super is scum. Then why would you EVER tell your scumread how to get them to stop voting you? That defeats the whole purpose. I said earlier that this didn't make sense from scum because they were already bussing, but that was wrong. This is more likely just scum fishing to see if anyone would switch to Super so that they can push that instead. The rest of his filter is fluff, he does some coaching which is really easy to do as scum. And trying to get Super lynched today is just a stupid move that shows that he's not honestly thinking as town, Super is clearly a really bad lynch today to anyone trying to find scum at all. ##Vote: Xzavier Im on lunch right now. as for nightcat i posted one of the first if not the first points against him. I honestly thing your being overly critical of the "fluff in my filter" there is more good content then you make it seem. the reaaon i wasnt on gotard until so late is obvious. i was trying to get a lurker to post. And about the hzflank pressuring people clears them of being scum, not confirmed town. they could be the sk still. allthough i believe umasi to be town still. but since it was so early day1 and his lurking since then i see that super has a pretty good chance to be the last scum/sk. And all this shit bout lynching an obs is bullshit. i hsd the most stressful days of my life the past few days that ill go over in the postgame. and iv never heard of obs post in scum qt. They use obs qt. | ||
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Anyway if i was scum i would be retarded not to bus gotard. Attacking me for sheeping people who are far better scumhunters then me all that bad? i have been doing my best to add new information and find things myself. but people keep sayong im better than i really am which i dont get. There are others in this thread who have commited far greater crimes. | ||
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Also its true that he didnt make a case on me. but he did talk too me and ask for opinions and such. so its not as extreme as nightcat makes it out to be. and thats worrysome that nightcat just blew that out of proportion. Anyway ill address everything better when i get home. but id love it if you looked into other people in case i do proove im town and answer your inquiries satisfactory. I mean still pressure me until your happy im not scum. | ||
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On July 21 2013 02:44 Chromatically wrote: So we should lynch Super over you because he's a lurker? Even though his chances of being a good lynch are halved because he's not scum? Thats not garenteed. He could have gone for a day1 bus for town cred because he had pretty inactive scumbuddies? then changed when it worked out he wasnt going to lynch him so it would give super good town cred incase he flipped for whatever reason. In simpler words. he could have day1 busssed an inactive scumbuddy. Lunch is about over. | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:51 Chromatically wrote: I cannot believe that Xzav honestly thinks we should lurker lynch, on D3, while assuming a D1 bus. If he's town, he doesn't give a shit about winning. I havnt been putting as much effort forth as i would like. But i cant exactly filter dive while im at work. But i certainly have been doing my best to assure town wins. and lurkers hurt more later in the game as scum can just lurk to win as the townies all lynch each other.. this being why i was pressuring super so hard for lurking. | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:26 Nightcat99 wrote: Too be fair, just because super posted doesn't mean he is not scummy, just not as scummy as Xzavier , plus i still hace a case against onegu and he is lurking. Why would he have to post when everybody has been pushing me? | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
I believe chrom and umasi are town strongly. I hav no idea what alaka is. Super and onegu are lurking. one of which has a case on him. dont look good. Nightcat is either noob town or the best scum player faking noob town. This leads me to believe the people not contributing are the likeliest scum/3rd party. they get to sit back while you all mislynch me. Last break is over. get off in 2 hours | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On July 22 2013 07:50 Nightcat99 wrote: I think xzavier could have survived the day 3 lynch if he fought harder, then it would be hard for me to lose. cause i know umasi is on the fence and i am diffidently backing him. also i think i would have survived a LYLO against super or slam. i just want to point out taht i played League of legends when i got home from work 2 hours before the deadline, because i knew there was no way for me to clear myself and even if i did there would be no other wagon so they would lynch me anyway. If i woulda been active the day before though i think i might have been able to survive, and i was for an extent, but the case against me was build when i went to sleep and i tried responding to it at work but i was pretty fucking dead :/ if i coulda like been there to talk back i think i coulda survived the day3 lynch, but i was pretty unmotivated when the case was built against me at work, i kind accepted my death. | ||
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