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On July 06 2013 06:36 StiMaDDict wrote:Also I'll be all fired until the game start, then disappear? Nahh, I'll try to be more active this time. + Show Spoiler +Don't expect much though. XD
*glares super hard* *like intensely hard*
/obs
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On July 06 2013 08:54 StiMaDDict wrote: I hope Alakslam and Umasi play in this one. Now that would be interesting XD
I'm on vacation atm, I might /in if the game still needs players and I'm at home
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egh might as well give another game a shot /unobs /in
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As long as you don't immediately bail! haha
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Also~Dream team scum team is alakaslam, rainbows, I.
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Rainbows StiM Nightcat99 scumteam, already making excuses for lurking
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oh shit xzavs playing k I'm on board with the xzav wagon gogogoogogogogogoogo
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think of the term bandwagoning in sports, where lots of people hop on and off at the drop of a hat. "on and off" in this case is voting to lynch or not.
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all you have to do is maintain insane activity levels. otherwise I'll lynch you on meta
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On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.
My personal opinion is that no lynches are stupid, because the situation would only get worse (a nightkill occuring) Nothing interesting and new is going to come up from a no lynch, because the only result for town is more time to read/post/talk/whatever but we can just spend more time on the game if we want more time to analyze. No lynching throws away the tool the town uses to root out scum. Heck, rereading that post, you agree with the consensus, and then just talk about nothing. That entire post was, I daresay...superfluous.
(I thought the game began at six not four)
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On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote: I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy.
I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum?
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On July 13 2013 08:40 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on. How does the cop inform the town without letting the scum know that he is the cop?
That's not even specific to this no lynch strategy, or whatever how will the cop EVER let town know the result without revealing he's a cop? (I certainly have no fucking clue)
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yeah, but rainbows there's a problem with that scum don't want to spew pro town crap, that's uh PRO TOWN
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Superfluous, please keep talking about stuff, that single post left an extremely shitty taste in my mouth I want to get a more solid read on you. That single entrance screams scum to me though
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Guys, arguing about the way he posted that is totally irrelevant. I got a town read from it, because it was solid shit. But nitpicking at it is not too relevant. Specifically what Jrkirby said:
On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM.
Of course he wouldn't say it, that'd be retarded. Why are you even bringing it up?
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He didn't even necessarily MAKE ONE jesus what are you even talking about kirby
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##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS
Where the hell are you. You popped in, gave a single post, that I think is scummy as crap, still haven't show back up. Pretty confusing, because the post you gave was irrelevant.
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Kirby, I disagree. Scum has more than one goal in a game, believe it or not. It's not just to build towncred, otherwise being scum would be easy. (imo) Since all you'd have to do is be like me in the past game and post so fucking much and so irrationally that you won't get lynched
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haha~that's not a strategy, that's just a byproduct of how I play, since I do think I put good thought into what I said
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On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.
Can I ask what everyone thinks of this? Superfluous feels like the most solid lynch at the moment, to me, as I've stated. Most others have just ignored it does anyone have thoughts on it?
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On July 13 2013 09:22 Rainbows wrote: I think sponge is town for not wanting to take town cred. scum would be all over that ahit. Town cred is not something that you can take or refuse, taking and refusing town cred itself can give reads.
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Basically, you guys are poking him with a stick and he's just like "meh" and nothing is really coming from it, so why are we beating a dead horse?
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On July 13 2013 09:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Since I have to spell it out for the thread (StiM, Umasi....)
Try not to defend your town reads. Let them defend themselves. We get more content via a direct conversation, and if scum is barking up the wrong tree, he'll be scared off if three townies rush to someone's defense.
It is written: Lo, and let thy scum tunnel; for when they tunnel the town, the Town tunnels into you.
What made you assume I thought you were a town read? I don't think I've said anything like that, and I actually don't have you as town (or scum) attacking someones logic is not a claim that someone else is townie, it's just saying "this is stupid"
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On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote: [quote]
I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else.
Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance?
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"Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter?
Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter." Was it ever a question that his post was to start discussion?
And I think what superfluous said was scummy because he gives a soft agree.all? is in soft agreement with the general flow of the thread, then just talks about nothing, then disappears. The post itself, combined with the lack of anything else, is what is scummy as crap.
I don't want to overreact too hard to you saying "slight scum read", but if I was truly searching for a neutral place to put my vote on, I wouldn't continue talking about it.
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Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?
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or townie reads, for that matter.
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Does it really matter if we haven't seen things from other players at this point? It's been two hours since the game began, some people could still be working, etc. The way you popped in, said one thing kinda suspicious, then popped out is what really irks me. Don't apologize and talk about other forums as an excuse, excuses are bad. Reasons are fine, but that didn't feel like a reason to me. We don't need to point out no lynching as an option, because it's BAD No lynching is something that scum would LIKE. I think I said it in the last game I played (too lazy to dig it up,) but the only tool a townie has is their vote, so don't waste it on something like a no lynch. There should always be someone who is objectively "scummiest" that you'd rather vote for than no lynch, have a little confidence.
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Nightcat99, although it may be total coincidence,....it's interesting that you show up right when the conversation is directed at lurkers. aside from you being on a trip or not and that being hard to believe.
Although props for thinking that lynching every lynch period is a good thing :D
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wait, what do you mean kirby? am I misunderstanding how the lynch works? If two players have five votes on them, the first one to five gets lynched, am I wrong? Have I horribly misunderstood something?
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my bad. So if two players have equal votes, does it actually just become a no lynch?
that's fucked up.
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Do you have any particular scumreads to nail down Rainbows? It started to get stagnant and I don't want it to be stagnant t.t
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(for your information, I'm pretty null on everybody except for Superfluous and Nightcat, who I think are on the scummier side of the meter.)
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I don't think it's a scumslip, he's just talking.
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He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy.
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On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:56 Umasi wrote: He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy. He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking.
The difference here, is that he's ...... like hard to articulate. He is lurking, and pops in to post a comment at such a WEIRD time like, immediately when the conversation mentions lurkers compared to otherwise contributing thoughts.
I think Super is the best choice atm, but I'm by no means positive.
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Superfluous, Nightcat, I hope you guys see this as you read the threads when you get back from whatever you're doing~ What do you think about my accusations against the other? Rather, Super, what do you think about Nightcat, and Nightcat, what do you think about Super?
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On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +Note to all: + Show Spoiler +btw, I'm really trying to stay active. Sometimes I write really slow and I might be answering something that is couple of pages back. Sometimes I write one liners. My bad. + Show Spoiler +If you don't like it, well fuck you This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:34 StiMaDDict wrote: My bad, guys. Got pissed for no reason. Spoilers and quotes kept getting messed up. Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me. Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this.
Aside from everything you just said which I really don't care too much about, you just told us you're not a good actor. What made you think it was reasonable to act then?
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On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote: I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now.
@Chromatically Your current scum reads? Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote:On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote: Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo.
Xzaviers entrance was built to contribute, not built to sneak in and make it seem like he was around. Just read it, he actually says things. Him coming in and immediately being on board with a lynch, on the one hand, seems hasty, but I don't think that's the mark of scum, hastiness, that is. I don't think there's anything special about Cloud 9 as you mentioned him, like other people seem to think. I am also kinda leery of Hz, but not too much.
I like what you've said, I'll hop on someone else when I feel they're more reasonable. I still prefer you as a lynch though, but that was always subject to change.
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(on board in loose terms, of course)
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Xzav, don't overreact to him being slightly suspicious of you. I too am slightly suspicious of you. I'm slightly suspicious of EVERYBODY.
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Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now.
it does feel like he's trying to damage control, but it doesn't sit right with me atm. I'll reread him and see what I think afterward~but that line alone makes me want to sheep you, because I like how it's looking at motivations.
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On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote: I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now.
@Chromatically Your current scum reads?
Looking at it as stim is scum, it feels like he's trying to buddy him up as he has him read as a threat.
On July 13 2013 10:50 StiMaDDict wrote: Edit: *It goes without saying that I do not know Chromatically's alignment as of right now
This reads to me as trying to assuage a concern someone would have with it before someone talked about it. And seriously, why would you even bother doing that?
On July 13 2013 12:59 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:49 Chromatically wrote:This Stim thing doesn't make sense at all. Look at the chain of events: 1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me.
Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: StimI'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. Edit: If this is what you came up with, then gg wp. Not really motivating to play anymore really.
It's not motivating to play because you don't have perma town cred? Expect people to think you're scum, or not guaranteed town. Like, why is it gg? If I remember you said Chrom was a solid scumhunter. It's actually up there in this post Don't omgus out of the fucking game, because that is not pro town, not defensible, and a surefire way to be lynched. And if you're town, that's obviously bad, because you're directly hurting town, wasting our time and not scumhunting. If you're scum, that's ALSO an awful idea, because you're just saccing yourself. Basically, rethink this and ignore what chrom has said about you and go contribute as much as you can in a protown way to turn opinions around, not just complain "I don't like people thinking I'm scum" You are now a priority to figure out over Superfluous, although I still am looking at Superfluous.
##UNVOTE ##VOTE StiMadDDict
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He seriously martyred after a single vote.
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Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt.
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StiM, you're being incredibly irrational. But no, you're right, I actually immediately hopped on the wagon for towncred. definitely. I didn't provide reasoning or anything you've caught me "oh no"
you should know by now that I don't play this game for the fucking towncred, you're acting incredibly immature, no offense or anything.
We're all bad at the game, maybe you're misplaying, maybe we're misplaying, WHO THE FUCK KNOWS. The only real point here is that the way you are acting does not benefit whatever faction you are playing for, so please, get your shit together if you're actually town. If you're scum, feel free to keep tilting, I guess? Because the way you've just given up is not giving me any motivation to get off of you.
You flipping out is not actually giving you any towncred~btw~if that is your goal.
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Rainbows, do you think that this vote is misguided/wrong or right? What are your thoughts? Don't just poke him.
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On July 13 2013 13:23 Chromatically wrote: If everyone who just randomly popped out to soft call me sum could actually give their opinions on the situation, that'd be great. Yeah basically this
also chrom do you have any thoughts about stims total blowup
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Basically, Kirby, can you prove Stims innocence? Address Chroms post, and try to provide the reasoning that stim probably won't supply. If you can't, then why would you think he's town?
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What is the motivation that a townie could have for the points that chrom brought up?
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Is anyone around to chat it up with?
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nothing much. Thread was stagnant because nighttime, but w.e.
So I remember reading the mafia you were in (you were vig, tunneled ravens) but don't remember much about the specific scenario that played out with your rage quit. How much of this is reminiscant of what you did? Do you think there's a comparison at all to be made?
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Sponge, why do you think I was white knighting you? It wasn't so much be saying you were town as it was me saying "you guys are stupid for having these reasons that you have." It was me throwing out ornery commentary.
In response to your question though~ What makes you think the scum team acts as like, a hivemind? We're all awful, so it's not like he would be given advice by gods. Moreover, it's entirely possible his coach just wasn't around, or his other scum team members weren't around. Just my thoughts, I think that debating what's happening in the scum qt is not relevant. Well, it's relevant, but not like....... What do we get out of it? How do we lynch someone if we always say "well they shouldn't be scummy because there's other scum to tell them how to not be scummy." that's what confuses me, I guess.
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Sponge, what you're asking for is not something that will ever be delivered No one knows what's going on in the scum qt well, scum knows but it's not like they'd ever fucking tell us. So why do we care? Don't give people free passes because they should be playing better than they are~~~~
On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.
It's such a nonfactor in anything, the entrance. Idk why he'd even talk about it
here, I think that what he said, his entrance, was scummy, because of the way it just kinda let the thread wash over him. He didn't talk about anything specific, he just vaguely talked about policy. He starts by agreeing with the consensus, then is like "hm maybe not?" But what else does he say? That looks like he's trying to let something blow over.
I may be suspicious of people because they're not very assertive, but jeez, people should be more assertive.
Rather, I wish everyone would just post what's on their fucking minds, compared to trying to live. Well, scum can try to live because it's obvious when someone posts to live, but I hate how often it seems like townies selectively post to live.
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Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time? From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct?
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MAKING FAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO APPEAR TOWNIE jkjk thanks man haha
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k, at this point, I can't really think of anything to talk about from your post, Sponge. I think Chrom is on the slightly townier side, xzav is more planet neutral, and kirby is not super towny, just by gut reads. At this point I'm still happy with a StiM lynch though, but Superfluous is contesting it pretty hard. and depending on what nightcat says, I'll rethink him, but he's still ehhhhh.
I may just be judging people a little too quickly, but that's because I sit at my computer pretty much constantly being a lazy asshole with the thread open, refreshing every five minutes.
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(that would be utterly unbelievable and frustrating, if they just hadn't posted) but we'll find out soon enough, a lot of games have people just get modkilled (god knows fucking why.)
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On July 13 2013 16:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:49 Chromatically wrote:This Stim thing doesn't make sense at all. Look at the chain of events: 1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me.
Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: StimI'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. I could see a townie claiming that his anger was fabricated due to pride. It's embarrassing to admit you got mad for silly reasons to a group of strangers. Obviously that's not in the best interest of the game, but for some, ego will always come first.
Actually, at fear of falling prey to meta~~~ He did do a similar thing in the mafia game I played with him, where I called out his post as scummy as he self voted. He basically returned to the thread to save face, (since he flipped town) so that wouldn't be out of line for him. In fact, it fits with what I know.
-I am leery of meta though because the entire obs qt of the last game was like "meta bad!"
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Because he was the first one to vote for StiM and if StiM flipped town, that would be extraordinarily suspicious.
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that and like, a general tone read of towniness from him, but that specifically makes it hard for me to think he's scum. Even aside from that, I think he's been posting good content regardless, that moves the game forward, even if it may be wrong~~
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you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like dunno. mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t and then alakaslam got me to play and then BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
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Rainbows claimed credit, but has he voted for StiM? where is Rainbows now that the wagon is going? Rainbows claimed for the initial pressure, not for the actual votes, and the votes are what matter. Taking credit for pressure is not important, at all.
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good point, I guess. I wouldn't.
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why is me thinking he's slightly towny a big deal though?
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~my connection to team liquid is derping, so I think I'll call it quits tonight. I'll probably be around tomorrow, but you never know what the future brings~!wooooo!
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On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him.
Tbth, Hzflank and Xzav have been a lot more impressive with their posts.
Do you actually think Sponge is scum, or are you slightly suspicious of it? You're going to have to have a lynch target at the end of the day, and all you really just said is "sponge. hm?" and, "StiM, (insert most of towns consensus)"
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##UNVOTE StiMaDDict ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS
StiMaDDict has at least tried to be helpful, compared to trying to get by, and his flip out rage quit is, as mentioned, not inconsistent with what I know about him being townie, although the points about your motivation for lying still stand.
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Superfluous, if you had to lynch at literally this instant, who would you vote?
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Are you still just trying to figure out xzavs alignment? I have him as slightly townie, personally. Is there anything specifically that you'd point out that could convince me otherwise?
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I dunno why I do it, but it's certainly not condemning them. It lets people know what's up with me specifically. If it were condemning, I wouldn't be talking to Super atm t.t
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On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.
That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.
You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp
You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die" Reminds me of Onegu.
In fact, that's EXACTLY what Onegu did haha I don't want to judge you based on his meta but still t.t
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Uuhh, do not vote a totally inactive, that's a waste of a lynch. They'll get in here and post when they're good and ready, dammit! (by that I mean, it depends on the fucking direction the wind blows)
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haha, he means that if someone is going to be modkilled, voting them is totally irrelevant (if you're talking about Koshi) That quote was actually correct, if you ask me.
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Thanks for posting the blatantly obvious, now go scumhunt. qed.
Don't argue pointless semantics about motivations for trying to stay alive, you don't get absolved by arguing semantics playing to not die is really kind of a spiral.
Also, your vote on xzavier is totally half assed. Totally aside from your motivation for it, you didn't even put it in the vote thread, making me think you just wanted to seem like you were voting, not actually VOTING FOR XZAV. There was a notification by the mod (within the game thread)(addressing me) that there is a vote thread.
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Rather, I'll rewrite that to be more explicit: I think that you DID forget to put it in the vote thread, BECAUSE it was so half assed, and I don't think it was half assed because you're unsure, I think it was half assed because you didn't care where your vote went.
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Superfluous, the way to convince me (and others) that you're town is not to point to instances of having scumhunted/convince people of your reads, but to actually start scumhunting and convincing people of your reads.
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Chrom, do you now think that StiM is town?
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Aaaaaaaand? who gives a shit if it's a newbie game? That's an excuse, not a reason.
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RATHER: Pointing out that it's a newbie game is an excuse, not a reason. The fact that you react to it compared to saying "whoops" or something similar is scummy to me t.t
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@XZAVIER Spoil me, who's your largest scum read? Have you mentioned it and I totally missed it?
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I think that the cases against Kirby are First of all: Convincing, he's #2 for me after Super, (as always I could be convinced either way) Second: I think that the interactions with StiM are not condemning until we know StiM is town, since that's purely an association thing, and we have nothing to associate yet, don't be hasty there. I think what he was saying could be construed in two ways: Way one: He knows StiM is town because he is scum and is appealing to him in a blatant and unwise manner, or way two: He doesn't want StiM ragequitting so he's trying to make it seem like someone is on his side. Everything else about him is pretty convincing though.
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I was going to respond, but fuck it! kirby, defend yourself plx and by that I mean bring up better lynch targets than Super, Gotard, and you or bring evidence against one of the other two!
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On July 14 2013 07:30 Nightcat99 wrote: Just want to give an update on my situation, I am quiet busy today but i will catch up on everything before the first day ends. Since I will be home on Sunday about 2 pm est as long as the plane doesn't screw me over again.
I would like to vote after I reread everything again that,s nt on my tiny phone screen but as far as stim's situation , I feel that he's either a bad mafia or a angry townie , so either way not worth a vote now because now everyone will put an watchful eye on him.
We've moved on from StiM, but okay, we can wait!
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On July 14 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's SuperScum.Super introduces himself as a player who understands that people cannot always respond to posts quickly and as a player who thinks that applying pressure on other players is a good thing. His later posts do not exhibit these traits at all. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote: I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. Before even starting to scum-hunt, Super is concerned with self-preservation. He is not even interested in getting good conversation flowing to produce information. Self-preservation comes first. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote:On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote: Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. One of the first things that Super says comes to his mind is that Cloud has not posted yet. Why is this the next thing that Super thinks of, after self-preservation? He later gives a reason but I cannot understand how he arrived at that train of thought. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote: Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. Next Super says that he has not yet scum-hunted, but so far I was his biggest scum read. That would be fine if his reads were fluid after he actually did some scum-hunting. As we will see later though, his read on me persists until I really hammer home the point that there is no good town motivation for his read on me. Also, why is he so worried that posting this early read might push him to being lynched? I think that it is because he already knows that he cannot actually justify his read on me. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet.
Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. Next, Super calls me a lurker but says that the other Europeans should be excused for not posting much. I had already made several posts at this point and am a European myself. He says that he wants to see more from me, but does not give any indication of what he wants to see. When I later make posts directed towards him he completely ignores then as though they are invisible. If he had a scum read on me and wanted to see more, why does he not reply to my posts? Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 23:56 Superfluous wrote: I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank, cloud 9, night cat and other lurkers I've forgotten. Koshi and Gotard have euro time zones so it makes sense that they weren't active early on, and right now they are trying to contribute something so they're town reads for me. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:38 hzflank wrote: From what I can tell, your thought process was: Super thinks that Umasi is town and hzflank thinks Umasi was scummy, therefore Super thinks that hzflank is scummy. Now Super needs to add reasons for why he thinks hzflank is scummy because Super's read should not be based on that weak day 1 association.
You may notice that since the conversation really started to flow in the way that we want it to, I have not made many posts but every single post I have made is dedicated to finding scum. Yet, of all the people you could find scummy for posting distractions you chose me.
Please tell me where I am wrong? To be specific, I do not believe your reasons for having me as your biggest scum read and I want to understand how I actually came to be your biggest scum read. Next Super says that he still thinks I am scum. His reasons are that I have not posted anything which contributed to finding scum. I may be biased on this point, but I do not see how a town Super could say that I had not been contributing. Note that I stopped playing at around 2 AM my time last night, but Super seems to think that it was scummy of me to stop posting. Why would a town player think that? Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote: Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Now, Super is still more concerned with self-preservation that with finding scum. He also gently suggests that we should consider a no lynch. If a town player was under pressure at this point they would push a scum-read as hard as they could, but they would not try for a no lynch. Super switches his primary scum read from me to Xzavier, without ever saying why I suddenly became less scummy or Xzavier became more scummy (as Xzavier has not posted in a long time). This is still self-preservation without pushing a scum target with any significant force. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself. To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting That is how scum plays and that is not how town plays. ##Vote: Superfluous
This this all of this.
@ RAINBOWS You played in a game where Kirby got mislynched, what do you think of this? Do you think he's scummy or not? Are you still going to stick with Gotard when there are more compelling cases out there to be on? (At least, ones that I think are more compelling)
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that's not me letting him off the hook, that's me saying "superfluous or jrkirby"
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pffff Koshi, I have no idea what to think of you but you make me laugh sometimes
yeah, it's not necessarily an "or" as in which one is scum, the other is town more like, who are we lynching? btw, I plan to be on Superfluous unless the day would end in a no lynch, in which case I'd switch to a target that would return a lynch. (or something else changes my opinion of Superfluous/whoever the fuck)
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On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.
Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.
Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.
##vote: jrkirby. Do you think Superfluous is Town?
And if so, why?
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ugh. No clue how to get conversation going. You should be in a situation where you can post now xzav, what are your thoughts?
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On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.
That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.
Response to this? Specifically the first sentence.
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haha~I'm holding off on switching till Kirby comes back to talk since all of this has surfaced and he hasn't been around. I see both of them as likely to flip scum. I can't explain why, specifically, Super is more scummy to me. Things have felt off about him from the very first post, and although he has had moments of brief like "hm maybe he's not THAT bad",,,so does kirby, as has been pointed out. Scum are GOING to have times where they can post things that are not scummy, that's a goal of theirs.
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he's just giving bland, generic commentary in the second one, look at it. He just says like "huh maybe watch out for kirby kinda, let's talk to him, but give him a super open ended question" "kirby what is the goal with your posts so far" jeeeeeeeeez give scum an easier out, please. super SUPER wishy washy if you as me. He just says null shit. not null as in "null read" but null as in worthless.
The first impression strikes me as slightly townie, but seriously, that's like one + among a field of -
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I'll go look through Kirby, I remember there was something and if I was mistaken, well darn
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Actually fuck it, it's not my job to find townie shit about kirby to talk about someone else do it. kirby or someone who has a townread on him, because I certainly don't t.t
basically people getting +1s in a field of -1s isn't uncommon, because townies have -1s in fields of +1s (-1s and +1s are flowers btw)
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uuuuuh cloud give independent reads. nothing much more to say, I guess. this entrance is unimpressive and scummy (to me, and apparently I find everyone's entrance to be scummy)
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okay, if that's your motivation, woooo!
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On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote:Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is?
Still catching up on the thread this morning~~ but what if I told you that xzavier thinks you two are scummiest because you two are fucking scummiest
I don't like how he's been working as often as blazinghand eats dinner, but some things honestly can't be helped.
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hm~still not positive who I want dead more t.t (caught up now) Jrkirby, what do you think about the case on Superfluous? You've hardly mentioned him ever. Superfluous, same to you, what do you think about the case on Jrkirby? Please don't say something noncommittal like "oh third party probably herpaderp" We don't even know if there is a third party, I don't accept that as a read at this stage in the game
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On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote: Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list
maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often.
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On July 15 2013 04:07 StiMaDDict wrote: @Superfluous: Your read on jkirby, now.
^^
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On July 15 2013 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote: Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often. Did you read this? Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 00:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 00:21 Chromatically wrote:On July 14 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote: jrkirby needs to come back and start proving he is town. His last 5 posts were horribly rude, but I still wonder if scum would do that. It's so bold, or maybe he is just a rude person.. Why do you think that Kirby needs to price that he's town, but not Super? hzflank his case spreads out over a long period of Super posts and is a case on the playstyle of Super. Not as much nitpicking of sentences in the posts. The kirby case is more looking at the content of his posting. Kinda hard to explain, but you understand what I mean? No, you just messed up. Both cases are about playstyle. Both cases are spread out over a period. Neither case is nitpicking sentences. Both cases are looking at the content of the posting. You're just making stuff up. Your post implied that you were going to switch onto Kirby if he didn't post. This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. You found the case on Super more convincing, but if neither of them posted, you would have switched onto Kirby? No logical town reason for that. I don't know why you like that quote, it's not even relevant. We're not talking about getting nk'd, we're talking about getting mislynched (something that every townie obviously wants to avoid).
I didn't mean I LIKED the thing in a protown way I mean I want shit like "glory of the night' to be spouted more often because it sounds glorious.
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K KIRBYS TURN GET IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT SUPERFLUOUS
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On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote: Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Show nested quote +Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. Super has said that he was trying to stay alive, which I consider quite different from establishing innocence.
I just want to clarify, Chrom, do you think that Superfluous is town or scum? Are you defending him because you think he's town, or because you want a kirby lynch to go through?
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It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
the results are different than trying to "stay alive"
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But was he establishing his innocence to NOT GET LYNCHED or to PUSH TOWN AGENDA
And then was he not getting lynched because he's a scared townie who doesn't want to be lynched, or a scum who doesn't want to be lynched?
I think it's pretty obvious, going to be honest.
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Because your first post wasn't about establishing innocence EITHER, your post was built to blend in. We've gone over this.
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can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something? If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it. I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess. Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc
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I am tempted to switch off of Super and onto Kirby, but I'll wait.
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On July 15 2013 05:54 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:52 Umasi wrote: can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something? If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it. I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess. Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc
Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran
k thanks
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I think that, unless it would result in a no lynch, I'm going to stick with Super to the end, if only by sheer virtue of Kirby being around more frequently. I think any defense of Super having posted in a worthwhile way is trash, because he straight up hasn't been, but Kirby has been around since the start. be it playtime or whatever, that tips the scale to Super for me.
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On July 15 2013 04:39 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:37 Umasi wrote: But was he establishing his innocence to NOT GET LYNCHED or to PUSH TOWN AGENDA
And then was he not getting lynched because he's a scared townie who doesn't want to be lynched, or a scum who doesn't want to be lynched?
I think it's pretty obvious, going to be honest.
If there was a case on you when you first entered the thread, what would you do?
Totally forgot to respond to this if there was a case on me when I first entered the thread, I'd be extraordinarily CONFUSED because there can't possibly be a case right from the very beginning. No one was making cases on Cloud before he entered, we just called him a lurker. If I enter the thread and there is a case on me, gonna be honest, I totally fucking ignore it. People were voting me quite frequently in the past game I played, I just looked at it, said "yeah you guys all think I'm scummy got it" and then kept playing. I didn't go "ohohoho I must skillfully deflect this pressure so that they believe me" I just talk so much and am so open that they have no choice but to believe me
Super didn't enter the thread with a case on him, he entered, I commented, he responded, and THEN I started pressuring him a bit, although I thought he was super suspicious since the first fucking post.
He didn't enter and scumhunt, he entered, didn't scumhunt, got pressured, threw out half assed reads, and then did basically nothing.
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote: Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum. If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE" If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them.
Koshi, that's useless Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.-
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On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town?
CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL
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No Koshi, you're complaining about Chrom for no reason. not the points that you bring up, but why are you even bringing them up
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I don't fucking buy that, Chrom. I don't fucking see why he's different than Super.
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Don't make your read on Kirby purely from that game btw, just use it in conjunction. I need to take off for an hour, I'll be back well before lynch time
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On July 15 2013 07:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @ Umasi @ Rainbows
We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.
First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates?
Not finished reading, want to reply before I forget Yes, I accept that they are both absolutely acceptable lynch targets
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Alright. Followed suit on your unvoting
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On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote: I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS
YOU AREMISUNDERSTANDING THIS CONSOLIDATE AS IN HE WOULD SWAP TO SUPER IF WE WERE GOING TO NO LYNCH OTHERWISE
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oh everyone responded k good
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Superfluous, although that advice is sound, you literally just set up framing targets for mafia. Don't direct blues.
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so I'm going to go write a case on Gotard, I have no idea if it will return town or mafia I'm going to see what happens though, expect one soon.
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On July 15 2013 07:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: TRIBUNAL COMMENCE:
I'm leaning Super right now. One tiebreaker is activity level. Kirby has 3 1/2 pages of content vs. Super's 1 1/2.
My reads also line up better with Kirby. Super has some of the easiest, surface-level scum reads in the history of mankind. Guy who poked him early (Xzavier), guy leading his wagon (hzflank), and Lurkers. Not like, actual lurkers, but literally the word 'lurkers'. Didn't even name actual lurkers that he's suspicious of.
The koshi scum read is odd, but I'm willing to chalk that up to a mafia protecting his mafiabro in the event he flips red. If Super were to flip green, this interpretation would be moot.
The activity level is probably the biggest tiebreaker, for me
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he voted a while ago, he was explaining it now, it makes no sense, but if he says he'll be here more, we can hold it over his head constantly.
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On July 15 2013 07:58 Superfluous wrote: I am giving examples, by day two there could be different people controlling the discussion anyway. A good player would know who to check, and a good mafia player would know to frame them so it doesnt change that much. There's a chance one of the newer players hasn't played cop much before and ends up doing a bad check. I care about cop cause it's the defining/most important town role and want to give good advice in case I die.
I appreciate your thoughts on blues, but I think I mentioned literally a page ago, let blues do they're job. + Show Spoiler +On a side note, I think vig can be more defining, just ask rainbows
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On July 13 2013 19:53 Gotard wrote:Hello! After some lurking (jk I was sleeping) i'd like to share my thoughts: 1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 2) StiMaDDict - bad town. It would be too easy if he's mafia. 3) Chromatically - I think he's pushing stim too hard (he's agressive in general) but at the same time it's good for town to see some bandwagons going 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little.But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:58 Xzavier wrote: its fine, all i have to do is show supporting evidence and never try to make my own case on gotard. No wait, that one was good. Need to see some more activity from him to have a read. I don't agree that lynching lurker is better than no lynch (9v3 > 8v3) 7) Rainbows - A lot of posts with minimum impact seems more townie than mafia. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote: I play exactly the same as scum and town imo.
wtf? 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 9) Umasi - Very aggressive same as last game I played with him (He was town). 11) Hurricane Sponge - biggest town read. Really liked this post. 12) Superfluous - Town vibe. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts.
Not a very good list, doesn't explain much. I am not one to get angry over list posts, but whatever, some people hate it GUYS IT'S A LIST
On July 13 2013 20:12 Gotard wrote:Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk) I'm really confused because my biggest (biggest doesn't mean that i'm really sure of anything) scum reads don't think that Stim is mafia. Maybe they don't want to vote on him because they know that this is too easy and don't want to jump on him that early. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote: Why don't you think that Stim is scum? He looks like a bad town not like mafia.
He jokes about xzav and I, presumably for wanting to lynch him early last game. He states he's confused, his scum reads don't think Stim is mafia, does not explain WHO his scum reads are, then goes along with the increasing consensus on StiM.
On July 13 2013 20:51 Gotard wrote: Because it's obvious that he's mad that you think that he's mafia. I don't see any reasoning behind his posts except for being mad. Why would he write posts like that if he's mafia?
On July 13 2013 21:35 Gotard wrote: But there was no reason for him to get mad if he's mafia.
On July 13 2013 22:41 Gotard wrote: Yeah he looks bad or i should say useless for town. But you need to ask yourself "What would he gain with posts like that as mafia?". Bad town not mafia.
These three posts, I really REALLY like these three posts by him. He's looking at the right things, even if he may or may not be correct (we have no idea if he was legitimately mad or just pretend flipping out)
On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.
Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.
Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.
##vote: jrkirby.
Like, at this point, I'm losing the motivation to talk about it at the time, because Superfluous and Kirby are just objectively scummier people. From his current posts, I don't think he's scummy enough to warrant a switch. I don't think he's too scummy at all, tbth He gives independent reasoning for his reads, and has good thought, he's just not posting very frequently
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On July 15 2013 08:15 Xzavier wrote: what could would either of them claiming do? if you claim 15 min before you die your probably still goign to die anyway, its like when in the movies you hold a gun to somebodys head and they start spewing off how they will do anything, give anything, blahblahblah. same principle.
i honestly am so lost right now, i think super is a fine lynch. But im not following this tribunal at all, it appears to have formed during my 25 min game of LoL.. T.T
is the tribunal the hammer that was going to hit gotard really close before the end? the tribunal is OUR GLORIOUS LEADER, Rainbows, and me Basically we will swap votes wherever to prevent no lynch shenaniganry.
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On July 15 2013 08:16 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:13 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 08:11 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote: If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? Why? I'm not setup to die atm. Oh wait, I am pretty close. But anyway, if I'm blue, you'll know it on the flip.
feels like martyring. talk TALK YOUR ASS OFF THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS OUT, YOU COULD DIE WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING YOUR ASS OFF
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but what if you're the medic target? MIND FUCKIN BLOWN wifomwifomwifom can we please stop talking about night actions
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That's not a defense Kirby
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Xzavier has explained that he has work, and this is consistent with my knowledge about him I have no warning bells about Xzav yet. ZERO chance I'd vote for him unless he super scum slipped
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WHISPER WHISPER Gotard, I do not think, is the best lynch Koshi has said some good stuff, said some absolutely shit stuff, and is absolutely going to be incompetent as we get later in the game. I still think this is not town-town.
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At this point, both are scummy, it depends on the phases of the moon unfortunately, kirby is standing in its shadow so upon kirby it may rest
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oh, I will say this much:
While people are still reading if everyone could give a huge thought dump at the end of every night in case you were night killed, that would be really quite nice. Thought dump as in list of reads, most likely scum team, etc etc etc. just fyi, in case you plan on being lazy during the night phase.
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On July 15 2013 08:41 hzflank wrote: People should not think about what happens if someone flips scum. If someone flips scum then that is a win, plain and simple.
Considering what happens if someone flips town hold more weight, although with 13 people still in the game even that is WIFOM.
I suggest just asking yourselves: Of all the players we could possibly hope to lynch today, who is the most likely to flip scum?
......... gut says super head says kirby
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btw last minute vote swaps SUCK just throwing that out there. don't get any ideas aside from the two candidates we have, we can look at others later
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No, we will not switch onto Koshi. We flat out will not.
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K I AM HIJACKING THE TRIBUNAL WOAH WHAT THE FUCK IT'S THE TRIBUNAL I am actually a really bad vote leader. My gut REALLY screams Superfluous. I want Super dead. No matter how easy it feels, for either candidate, that's not really a thing for me I honestly think Super is a better lynch.
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but I will concede to the actual tribunals decision :3
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Are we sticking Kirby then? Just confirming.
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Xzav, if I could make a selfish request of you, could you swap votes onto Kirby? I don't want someone pulling a last second swap. eight people makes it feel more secure.
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STIM, THE VOICE OF THE ANGELS KIRBY IT FUCKING IS WHAM BAM SLAM
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On July 15 2013 08:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:55 StiMaDDict wrote: DO NOT SWITCH. TOO MUCH RISKY OF MISCOMMUNICATION. VOTE JKIRBY AND KEEP QUESTIONING KOSHI. I stole my brother's phone btw. THIS IS SO FUCKING WRONG. SUDDENLY YOU ARE HERE? WTF.
HE CAN SUDDENLY BE HERE IF HE WANTS, HE'S DONE NOTHING WRONG
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Isn't it badass? KOSHI CONTRIBUTE WITH A BATSHIT AWESOME QUOTE
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On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote: Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.
I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.
Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.
Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.
That's the best I got, GG guys.
KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE
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I DON'T APPRECIATE YOUR SHIT KIRBY GAHHHHHHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE APATHETIC
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why didn't he post that like constantly also ALAKASLAM, ONEGU, IMPRESS ME
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UNIMPRESSED ##VOTE ONEGU
wait shit
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Chrom, give some thoughts about why it was a mislynch at some point.
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And also, how good of a target is Super to you, Chrom?
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On July 15 2013 09:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:11 Umasi wrote: why didn't he post that like constantly also ALAKASLAM, ONEGU, IMPRESS ME Come on dude. He was posting shit like that all the time. I really don't understand why you are not reading Kirby filter and Super filter. Because it was getting so obvious.
haha, he was NOT posting shit like that all game he was not posting shit like that for a LONG time not until the very last fucking second Why can't people just care -.-
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Also, I'm gonna be judging Alakaslam and Onegu not on their predecessors play, but on their own play~ just throwing that out there.
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On July 15 2013 09:19 Nightcat99 wrote: i did say that i would perfer to have super lynch but i would much rather have a lynch then no lynch, because now i have a better read with the votes thats casted. share the better reads
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Nightcat, you are seriously spouting crap =/
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On July 15 2013 09:29 Nightcat99 wrote:and the game got really hectic, i will be honest that i really wanted to switch out of jrkirby ont he last few minutes because his last minute insight is very sounded and seems very townie. Show nested quote +Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.
I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.
Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.
Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.
That's the best I got, GG guys. and also since hes a proven townie now , we shall really look into his reads.
It was not last minute it was literally last second, like indescribably close to the lynch. That was pure apathy.
I may be judgmental but if I were important, I would honestly be like "well he played against his wincon" squeezing it in SO LATE is just unbelievable.
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haha, there was interaction between super and kirby I literally asked them both so that we could look at things post flip they hardly talked about each other at all you'd think they'd talk about each other more -.-
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On July 15 2013 09:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:49 Chromatically wrote: Why am I "smarter than that"? Weren't you just calling me "full of shit" a short bit ago? I actually think you are pretty smart. I was just screaming and kicking in the lynch so that I could get a good read on you and other people. Imagine how boring that last lynch would have been without the two of us. But I am currently having serious scum vibes coming from you. I am pretty sure that I am partially the reason why Kirby died. I played my role as lunatic in the start and people stopped listening to me. I tried to be more serious at the end of the lynch with my "Why Kirby is a better save than Super" but it was too late. But anyway, the only reason why I stopped being the lunatic is because I am 100% certain that your defense of Super is unholy. I hope that people will see the same reasoning. Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch.
Believe it or not, scum bussed day one in the first game I played straight into a lynch on a scum buddy. straight FROM a mislynch.
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yeah, I'd like you guys to read up and keep a running log of your thoughts
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On July 15 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: Whoa is it still day 1?
yeah it is night one, we mislynched Jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote: you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like dunno. mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t and then alakaslam got me to play and then BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s
no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play
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On July 15 2013 10:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote: you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like dunno. mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t and then alakaslam got me to play and then BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated!
You're right, you caught me!
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I have no idea what you mean by Svengali play, but there's nothing wrong with causing conflict. (imo) as long as it is constructive conflict
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guys, why is chrom scum aside from leading a mislynch.
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On July 15 2013 11:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:07 Xzavier wrote: let me specify, thoughts on the interactions of the circle beyond the core three. The circle was something silly. I have no reads there. They did nothing, except made themselves special.
haha we absolutely did nothing but make ourselves special do you think that we were like "oh look at us we're the tribunal so cool?" what is your perception of us, third graders in an inclusive pod?
it was just chrom telling us "we are in control of this lynch because we're not tunneling either side two hard, coordinate our votes to avoid a no lynch"
aside from your lack of reads on the CIRCLE, what are your reads of Sponge, Rainbows and me?
I think Sponge is town, pretty sure. I think Rainbows is town, not as sure.
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And if you don't have a read on Rainbows, whatever, he's not as active if you don't have a read on Sponge or I, ESPECIALLY ME, you just aren't reading, because there's a lot of content to go off of.
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I think he's townier than a lot of people give him credit for, but whatever. my reads are apparently worth jack in the face of mighty Alakaslam.
by the way you are literally trying to build post flip cred by saying "oh I think kirby's town. Wait, he's town? WHAT A COINKIDINK!"
I have a hard time believing that you'd just enter the thread and be like "huh the games been going on, and I'm in it. That means someone was modkilled, or requested a replacement, which will occur at the end of the day." "huh it must be the middle of the day." I'd assume that the first thing you did was LOOK AT THE RESULT.
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(Take your time, feel free to read.)
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Onegu, what are your thoughts, where are you at in the filter, etcetcetc
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On July 15 2013 14:07 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote: Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Lol god I hate everything you post.
Why's that? I actually thought that post was pretty awesome. I don't necessarily AGREE with it, but I sure liked it :3
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Alakaslam, I have no idea what you are even trying to communicate half of the time but the slammin umasi party has a hardcore ring to it.
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I ran your post through google translate and it came back the same! Submitting bug report now.
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On July 15 2013 18:50 Gotard wrote:Hi Onegu. Nice to see ya! Chromatically - For me he looks more like a town that mafia. He tends to put himself in a headlights by creating wagons and defending them really strongly with no fear (but sometimes he's tunneling himself like when he was pressuring Stim). In 'The Super Case' he brought good points and made some more room for discussion. Would he make such a strong defense to save his scum buddy? I don't thing so because after Super flipping scum he would be in a big trouble. Pushing lynch isn't scummy if you have good points and your target barely shows and signs of life innocence. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote: Scumteam
Hurricane Koshi Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. Hurricane ensured lynch that day. Everyone agreed that both of them are super scummy. I think leadership like that is useful when you need majority to lynch. His posts are super pro town in general and leading town like that even in wrong direction isn't scummy to me. Koshi - reading comprehension... I will address him later after reading his filter.
~catching up since last night before I leave again~
This really sums up my thoughts on both Chrom and Hurricane.
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I never got caught up through the night~~not going to be around and posting actively until tomorrow morning (pdt)~I might comment a little I guess, we'll see. Going to thought dump my reads so you guys know, etc
Townie: Hzflank, Chrom, Sponge They were around a lot when I wanted to talk, have been proactively posting, and I get a townie gut read from them~What they've done has had pro town motivation. Kinda townie: Xzavier He's been around, I like what he's posted, reminds me of the other game I played with him, but hasn't actually done much. I want him to go do something. Null:Rainbows, Alakaslam, Onegu Alakaslam and Onegu haven't posted enough for me to really get a read on them, since all they did was dump thoughts throughout the night. Some of their reads I remember disagreeing with (I haven't caught up past page 62ish). Alakaslam is confusing but whatever, I'll get the hang of it eventually Rainbows has gut read as townie, but he hasn't really nailed down and pursued a scum read like I expected he would. He is present, but hasn't done shit. Would rather he go do shit. slightly scummy: Gotard, Night, Koshi, Gotard is only very slightly scummy though. Koshi and Night I'm a lot less sure on, Koshi has been around a lot and posted pretty erratically, and has done basically nothing to help town, but hasn't necessarily played like a scum would (imo) Night is just weird, fuck it, post more, lynch all lurkers etcetcetcetcetc (has done nothing blah blah) Preferred lynch: STILL SUPERFLUOUS He's done nothing to make me want to lynch him less, it was just a competition between Kirby and him, he's gone silent, I still think he's a better lynch, would like to pursue this as a lynch. I think I talked about everyone.
Lynch order is Superfluous>Night>Koshi>Gotard unless something happens to change my mind.
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that's not a vacuum, but I think all of this line of thought is irrelevant. If it means anything, I think that Rainbows was shot by scum (he never really posted reads, it's hard to nail down who shot him) and that Koshi was shot by the SK (for reasons I can't imagine)
Now stop fucking talking about it, there's really no point. ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS
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~slipping this in here, @XZAV you never put your vote in the voting thread
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On July 17 2013 02:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote: yeah, but rainbows there's a problem with that scum don't want to spew pro town crap, that's uh PRO TOWN First umasi are you 4rlz here? That is exactly what scum want to do, I coach you on game setup, how to find scum, anything you ask I will help town. Why? Because when I do this I get town cred for something you would find out anyway. That first post of hurricanes is all things people would find out as the game went no matter what but hurricane being first to post it make it look very townie, but is really not in anyway townie.
I'm not sure that you REALLY understand. This post is scummy because it looks protown k, we accept this .....This post is townie because it was protown. He was getting exactly what he thought needed to get out there, out there, and even called it a day one conversation starter. This doesn't like, absolve him, but honestly, calling this post anything but a good thing for town is stupid. It also sparked conversation (as the name implies). I'm not sold on Sponge being town, but I'm way more sure of him being town than I am of many other people in this thread. He was around frequently, throwing his thoughts around (similar to how I was), and everything he has done has felt genuine, similar to how everything Chrom has done (although the result was bad) has been genuine.
He gives exactly what he knows about anything, and even if we'd find out later what he was talking about, that doesn't mean it isn't useful to know what Sponges thoughts are on everybody, EARLY in the game.
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On July 17 2013 03:05 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"? It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable.(The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play)
NO NO NO NO NO FUCK THAT FUCK THAT ALL THE WAY TO HELL JESUS I DON'T EVEN GET LIKE, A SCUM READ ON YOU THAT'S JUST STUPID you basically just said "well if my lynch is inevitable I will then post something useful to town" jeeeeezus tell me if I misunderstood horribly.
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my thoughts~
The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off.
I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one" so we put seven votes on him then last second, player X swaps off. Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place.
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On July 17 2013 03:59 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:57 Umasi wrote:my thoughts~ The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off. I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one" so we put seven votes on him then last second, player X swaps off. Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place. I disagree. Scum would never do that as you would get a no-lynch day 1 and then back to back scum lynches on days 2 and 3. Terrible move for scum.
I don't even know what you were referring to. Of course scum wouldn't move off to give a no lynch, because we're holding them accountable for it, and they'd immediately be placed under suspicion.
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If neither of them post, I'll happily lynch Gotard or Superfluous, (Super slightly more) If one of them posts, well it obviously depends. I didn't want to switch that late into the day because it felt not as sure as Jrkirby and Superfluous, and because that would be equal to a last minute vote swap (which we probably would not be able to achieve just by sheer number of people around willing to switch) and could have resulted in a no lynch, therefore I was skeptical.
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I DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND MAJORITY LYNCH, REALLY, WHY DON'T WE USE PLURALITY OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IT'S CALLED GOD DAMMIT *raises fist at the sky* BUT OKAY I CAN HANDLE THIS.
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Dude, Chrom, you're playing mafia, which means you have to take part in all of the stupid rituals involved. NOW TELL ME YOU UNDERSTAND
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE GOTARD lynch them lynch them alllllll
On July 17 2013 05:47 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Full disclosure, if I had zero meta on Gotard, this lynch would be a no-brainer. But he let this happen to him in NMMXLII as a useless townie, too. That doesn't exonerate him, but it does tell us that sometimes bad play is just bad play. Do you want him at a LYLO though? Regardless of his alignment I doubt that he will be night-killed (assume that we have no Vig for now). How much time can we give him to become active? He has had time. Look at the players who are left in the game. Just by numbers there has to be a 50% chance of Gotard flipping scum. Combine that with the fact that he is too dangerous at the LYLO unless we can somehow get a good town read on him and have some idea of how he will vote.
basically that.
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(not that I'm unhappy you're here)
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On July 17 2013 07:33 Gotard wrote:Wanted to check stuff before going to sleep. (offtopic I might add you on osu! later if I will remember)
(equally off topic, fuck yeah)
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Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in
+ Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi
regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on.
It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements.
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On July 17 2013 16:11 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote:Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements. Let me post my gotard and nightcat cases, actually I will make them and when hurricane defends himself I will post them.
You thought that Superfluous was townie, right? t.t how
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On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote:Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements.
*points at spoiler* are you even reading
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On July 18 2013 03:38 Xzavier wrote: im taking a quick shower than posting, but first i want to say this" Lurkers gonna lurk"
super is still lurking hardcore, and has no reason not to considering nobody is voting for him or continueing to pressure him. i feel strange that he would be content to just sit and let the lynch happen without weighing in on it.
^^
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On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote: Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.
Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.
I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.
I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.
I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.
haha thank you for pointing that out (about me) you're absolutely correct! I've been lazy!
I was not leading town, the way I've been playing is NOT leading town. I just pipe up and throw my thoughts in there wherever I feel they're necessary, which is pretty much whenever I read the thread. I've been at the computer less constantly than I was for day one, though. That said please make something of it compared to just muttering about it~~you can feel whatever you want. Does this make me a scumread of yours?
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Rather: Your post is nothing BUT things to keep in mind/just throwing that out there/other vague things.
I'm going to be sticking pretty hard to my town reads on Chrom/Hz/Sponge, and don't want people lightly FoSing them, because it feels like they're trying to bring them to attention without being directly responsible for the case, and it's hard to tell what you make of Chrom or me.
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nuuuuuu the mafia rb is lunches doesn't sound tasty
(gj guys)
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Rainbows, tunnel him harder like you took care of ravens next time!
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So you think I soft defended Gotard all game, is that the gist of what you're saying?
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Then why is it wholly dependent on Superfluous being town?
Regardless, you can totally ignore the first quote, it's not relevant. In fact, it would more normally be read as an invitation for scrutiny (imo)
The second quote was me actually thinking Gotard was not who we should look into lynching day one! (hence why I asked Rainbows about Kirby)
Third quote is the same thing.
Fourth quote, I think I explain what I was thinking about him at the time pretty darn well, it wasn't me directing attention away, it was my honest opinion on him.
The fifth quote is much of the same.
The sixth quote, is just me telling us to keep on the lynch track like we were.
Seventh isn't even related to anything, remove it if you're trying to make a point. Me calling him "slightly scummy" when I could have ignored him doesn't support your point. Nothing at that time really compelled me to point him out anyway.
The eighth is just me saying Superfluous is scummier to me.
Honestly, I don't think that what I've done could be construed as trying to keep the wagons off of Gotard, since I still was happy to hop on Gotard when the time came. (yeah yeah it could be bus obviously)
Basically~is soft defending Gotard all game always calling him slightly scummy, but not my preferred lynch, until I actually voted him?
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You're absolutely correct, I sheeped Gotard pretty hard. Chrom, Sponge, and you are my three strongest town reads. When two of you guys go and vote for the same person (compared to xzavier (a weak player this game) and mine votes on Superfluous), it becomes a question of how strongly I trust my own judgement compared to theirs.
I actually do not trust my own judgement that much, based on pretty good facts. That being, I have never, before this day, voted on a mafia player. I've like, put my vote ON them, but when it came lynch time, this was the first time I'd ever had my vote counted against a scum.
I don't trust my own judgement too strongly compared to Sponge, Chrom, and you, and was happy to sheep. That said, I don't think that not giving reasoning independent of yours at the time I vote Superfluous is scummy, because my thoughts on Superfluous have been painfully transparent all game long.
If this isn't satisfactory to you, we can keep discussing it. I think I explained what I was thinking around this pretty well.
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hz, what do you think of Superfluous now?
On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote: Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.
Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.
I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.
I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.
I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.
I think the last paragraph is the towniest thing he's posted so far, because it shows him actually looking into things independently. I'd still vote him, but it is something I'm milling through my head.
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Gotards posts should be considered pure wifom imo
I'd also like to point out that both Umashi and Xzavier immediately voted for me on day 2, when the town as a whole seemed somewhat more inclined to vote for Gotard than for me, which we did.
What are you trying to communicate here? You're pretty vague.
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ebwop: Gotards most recent posts should be considered pure wifom imo. not everything.
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~I probably won't be around at the beginning of day 3, so I'm going to leave my read dump here
Sponge, Chrom, and Hz I have large town reads on, can't really explain why, but it would take a LOT to make me vote them.
Superfluous is someone I'd still be game for lynching, he's had a few posts that have made me think otherwise, but he straight up does not have enough of them. He's so noncommittal to anything he says, and tries to stay out of the spotlight. In fact, the goal of his posting seems to be to stay out of the spotlight.
I'm not sold on Xzavier either way, I've read him as town, but that might be bias from previous games. For whatever reason, he "feels" town and I'll leave it at that. One of these days though you'll have to have a day off Xzav, I expect great things from you that day :3
Alakaslam is slightly scummy to me, but half of that is probably my reading comprehension issues with him. He's been all over the place, and I don't have any experience WITH reading him, but I just want to lynch him to make the game easier for me to read t.t
Leaning kinda town on Onegu for no particular reason, so w.e hasn't been around though.
Nightcat......lynch all lurkers etc etc, don't actually know if it's "lurking", but still, would lynch. I could basically be convinced to anyone not Sponge, Chrom, or Hz. If I die, Superfluous and Nightcat are the two I'd prefer everyone focus on.
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(or Alakaslam, if you guys want to. If I'm dead, I don't have to have trouble reading what he writes anymore, so my main motivation for killing him is gone, since I don't think there's as much that's objectively scummy about him, just a feeling of "if he flipped scum I'd be unsurprised").
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I haven't read your guys reads and etc yet I was roleblocked last night
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On July 19 2013 09:15 Superfluous wrote: Everybody check hurricane's filter. Chances are whatever his strongest townread is is because he checked them and got town back, I'm willing to bet we should trust that person. I'll be doing this myself too just making sure we all come to same conclusion. I retract my soft pressure on umasi. Hz didn't know he was gonna die,he jumped on my soft pressure and I bet he was gonna try to go for an umasi lynch tomorrow. Not just that, but he knew hurricane would die and could try to make the case that at least one person on tribunal was maf. I'd like to point out (could've been luck but take it as you will) that hzflank was my #2 scum read at the beginning of the game. Maybe this is some elaborate ruse by me to put him there at beginning but just want to make sure people are aware of that.
I am really weirded out that people are going on onegu. Maybe it was some super-weird meta play by stim but he claimed veteran and I'm inclined to trust him. Only way to confirm would be to check with detective (which we now can't) or shoot him if we had vigi which would be super-risky.
StiM never claimed vet.
....I think. I thought we all got that he was vt, or vanilla town, out of that right?
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I'm going to be treating Superfluous as town for two reasons now btw A: He's been posting in a way that has struck me as town, and B: Hzflank made a case on him which lead to him almost getting lynched day 1
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(And I don't think he would do that is Super is scum.)
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What does everyone else think of Nightcat?
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nah man I'm pretty sure Gotard isn't scum.
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k. Include in your explanation why Hzflank would write such a potentially damning case on him, please.
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On July 20 2013 12:15 Nightcat99 wrote: Threat got so quiet without hurricane, what is every one thinking now?
Freudian slip! It's called a thread, not a threat. The thread is a threat to scum wham bam alakaslam ....I'd like to say, anyway.
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Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. Am I missing something incredibly important/obvious? Who's aqua?
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wait what have I picked up on I recognize that he mentioned aqua but I just thought it was a joke I didn't understand, or had totally blanked on a player name.
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I guess that sounds reasonable, Nightcat has struck me the right way since night ended, for no particular reason.
On July 20 2013 12:15 Nightcat99 wrote: Threat got so quiet without hurricane, what is every one thinking now?
that post specifically. Since discussion was all but dead, he goes out of his way to try to get some going
and that really wasn't necessary as scum.
and as such, I'll follow your case on Xzavier.
##VOTE XZAVIER
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Basically, I don't think Xzavier is overwhelming SCUMMY as it were, he's just kinda scummy, but he's still my favorite choice from the options, and Chrom speaks sense.
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Alakaslam, why do YOU vote xzavier?
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Gonna be honest, this lynch against Xzavier doesn't sit well with me at all, but I really don't know who to vote for aside from him.
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Then again though, I do think that the case against him was solid, and Sponge didn't like him at all, and between Superfluous and Xzav, I do think xzav is scummier =/ so idk. I'm kinda torn. why can't we all be friends :<<<< ##VOTE XZAVIER
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Onegu hasn't even been around recently. Will probably be modkilled.
Onegu also lightly suggested a Gotard lynch. If gotard was town, I'd be more suspicious, but it was just a "huh. This dude." And there's no real reason for mafia to do that.
On July 15 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:50 jrkirby wrote: Well, superfluous is probably going to vote me, and I'll die.
So, reads:
hzflank and chromatically seem town.
Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice.
cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him.
nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread.
Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too.
Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow.
Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim.
Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die. Read this and read it good.
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woop woop. Anyone have ideas for Serial Killer? I wouldn't mind going straight back to Superfluous, because in my mind, his big claim to townie was Hzflanks case.
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I second what Chrom said, basically.
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It's not guarenteed that Chrom was jailed, he could have been roleblocked by gotard. same difference, really.
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Alakaslam, is there room for chrom in our Slammin Umasi party? I like chrom :>
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tribunal all da waaaaaay everyone on it turned out to be townie, funnily enough
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dw Nightcat just be like me roll vet never be threatening, always wrong, kinda scummy but pretty townie>never get shot
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haha~so I was lazy and never read your case on me hz do you think you could have pushed me to lynch?
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I know that feeling, StiM. get carried for days
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