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On June 30 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm the most active person and you have no thoughts on me fuba? Ill give thoughts on you . To start I'd like to note that your mutalisk portrait is the perfect image to sum up your role in this thread XD ( busy bee, flapping its wings faster than a humming birds heart beat). Gar, off topic, to the point I kinda dislike this right here "It doesn't make sense and marv is good as scum. Srsly, if you think he/me is scum tell us why, if you do not, question elsewhere." You make it sound like here that whatever you or marv are you are together. You also present it in a sort of "you wanna get to marv? You gotta go through me." Only I dont find Marv suspicious because your right, regardless of wifom and past mafia history it is objectively a bad move to fake claim miller, (also its important to note that in NMM 1V there were no clues or role tells whatsoever, which means it was probably a much stronger bet for Marv to fake claim, stronger than here at least). You on the other hand have only done three things with all your activity, aligned yourself with a near guaranteed townie, which I find to be a neutral bid to be honest, cast doubt on someone at odds with your goat (sorry marv, I know you dont eat grass or produce foul tasting milk ) : ) then solidify the towns growing confidence in you by recognizing the damage already done to stutter and convincing everyone to back off and move on even though his supposed guilt has already been seeded. To summarize, I think YOUR the one getting the better deal out of your pairing with Marv, you get to be right on a point of obvious nature and significant value and worst case scenario marv is more likely to take the heat before you. You also get to throw stones at the hodor across the river( sorry stutter) whose silliness I don't personally feel is indicative of his alignment( suggesting two millers feels like an objectively bad move rather than an alignment based one). Though his follow up comments were either channeling Kenpachi or were dripping a bit of scum juice, and his not having posted in a while after screwing himself reminds me of when I fuucked up ages ago and stuck to the mafia channel until the heat fell off me (Wifoooooooom). I still don't think your one hundred percent mega scum just as I don't think Marv is 100 percent awesome town, anythings possible after all, Marv himself has gone to great lengths to prove that, but if we lynch stutter tonight, and he flips town I would definitely suspect you before Marv. Any one have any questions for me before I go to sleep? | ||
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On June 30 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points. Hmm, He agrees several times that his talking in French is annoying then claims stutters could just go through translate. This aludes to his using french as a calculated tool that can be used as a sort of joke tool with his allies and a means of discrediting those he is attempting to throw doubt on? Also he claims stutters is likely scum but isn't sure marv is town, so just some general flip flopping there but doesn't seem that bad. Thas all I got. | ||
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On June 30 2013 12:13 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote rayn Your reasoning might I ask? | ||
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On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town. Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv' Does anyone else not see that something is wrong? Pretty much my reasoning a little whole ago XD but actively looking for miller as a bud isn't scummy, its neutral, I would rather see what stutters pops, because he's less of an asset. If he flips red I cant see Ryan being scum, if we blindly lynch Rayne and he's town that'll just suck. Basically I rather risk stutters before Ryane XD. And yes this game is about hunting scum, not doing risk assessment but Rayne looks suspicious because he's in to good a manufactured position and stutters looks suspicious because he's made a mistake. I find the latter usually more damming so I swing more scum on him at the moment and it doesn't hurt that were risking less. | ||
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On June 30 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote: the point is that he takes marv as confirmed town immediately and then buddies him. Also why play the game so scared? I dont think stutters is scum bu t rayn is. That's just how I play :p nothing wrong with a smidge of fear. People are like vintage yugioh cards to me, I'm constantly scarred my mom will throw them away, even if she's right and they're secretly teeming with evil Egyptian spirits. Anyways good night all. I'm off to bed. | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:And here's the post in question:I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town? My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure. Which by the sound of your exoneration he's already done. | ||
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On July 01 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote: watching MLG. Its reasonable that a town player does not question a miller claim at all? Not 1 bit? Since when? Also, he didnt even explain anything about his 180 on you, he was so confident last night, now its like "I dont know what his alignment is" and he never mentions your 'scummiest' post. I feel like its scum trying to get people to forget about his read and slowly changing you to a town read. I think town would talk about it, I mean why not? But scum just wants to not draw attention to it. Come on Stutters. Come on. Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play. The town move would be to stay in chat, confront accusations and attempt to contribute and redirect town discussion, which Rayne has done (albiet somewhat unsuccessfully considering everyone and they're mom wont let the miller thing drop for an hour even). Like I said, my read on Rain is null at the moment (though buddying with Marv and pitching it as if hes doing Marv a favour still bugs me but his general behaviour and encouragement of discussion kinda counteract that feeling) and I dont think hed make a good day 1 lynch, so you wont get my vote on him yet. I would be willing to vote for Stutters, but to be honest they're is someone else out they're who I feel deserves my vote more. Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence. His next "big" post attacks Solstice for commenting on the major matter at hand and for trying to pressure others. What really pisses me off though is this Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone" This is not scum hunting, this is him attacking Solstice's character, when all Sol has really done is try contribute his opinion on the miller incident(which he hadn't yet done) and try draw out responses while weeding out fluff. Also you dont even really accuse him of scum play, you effectively just say hes pompous, how is that scummy? In his grand total of three posts Jar Jar has recycled other peoples opinions and presented them as his own, he has attaced Rayne, Razor and Solstice three people who regardless of alignment have contributed novel thought and promoted discussion. The entirety of Jar Jar's role so far is effectively one of shiiting on discussion itself(or at least attacking a significant component of it) and that of bandwagoning Rayne because of stuff other people said. They're are more than one scum out they're, and I'm of the opinion that at least one would prefer the company of the shadows. At the moment I would feel much more comfortable lynching Jar Jar. At least until he gets in here and contributes something useful. Also...he and Oat appeared in the thread at relatively the same time pretty much preaching the same tune. Im not saying aliens but... ALIENS. ##VOTE: JarJarDrinks In regards to Oats, hes tunneling Rayne almost as hard as Rayne is sheeping Marv XD few questions oats. What should we do if we lynch Rayne and hes town? What do you think of Jar Jar? What do you think of Mkfuba? What do you think of the appeal of a Game Of Thrones prequel shows if the show catches up to the ASOF books? | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases. No one has played with me as town I am the wild card. My post was just saying I dont think your town just because you back Marv, though you were presenting it as if your doing him the favour. I was actually the first person to accuse you of anything (past stutters) though I dont think you'd make a good day one lynch. I'd be willing to lynch Stutters Oats or Jar Jar, thats what my posting boils down to, sorry for all the extra fat. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not in any way sheeping marv, why do you say so? I am not "doing him a favour", i was trying to get him to work with me, allying with him, as i think we can catch scum together as we are both town and now i am telling people why i think he is town because apparently i am not allowed to have that opinion? Btw i have done that before, with a guy i thought might be SK at that moment. :D What you've just said is option a) your motive if your town, option b is ) Hmm if I help defend this guy whose guaranteed townie, I'll look good and be able to attack anyone who disagrees with us. It could go either way, it's a null action, but your overall attitude is not, it's decidedly pro town. Thats why I dont consider you a day 1 lynch but I dont want to just give you a free pass via your association with Marv. Also I'd prefer if people in general not try to prove some trait of theirs by referencing a past game, it's Wifom and I havent played this enough to factor it in. I will take things as they are within the vaccuum of this game. For the moment I'd like to drop the matter entirely, it's gone as far it'll go, do you have any questions for me that dont envolve the word miller I'll gladly take them. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:46 Stutters695 wrote: And as I type that he drops a case, fuck phone posting. Reading that real quick I wrote a huge case on why I felt Rayne didn't deserve auto town statues, proposing effectively that he go from green to null. I also am not dropping the case on you not because your generaly inactive, but because of a certain period in which you were inactive, a stretch of time wherein we could of used you to clarify things, contribute and clear your name, instead you vanished at a critical moment and that felt to me like you were trying to regroup with scum and wait things out. Which worked, nobodies really mad at you anymore, so of course your here now eager to help. That said your not my number one scum read, Jar Jar is and Oat is second. Just dont ask me to drop the case because my reason for suspecting you is still there. | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote: JJD looks worse because? What makes him different from stutters? Or Vayne? A) buddying B) Not throwing around concrete threats but definitely alot of shiit. C) Severely flip floppy. D) doesn't contribute anything really. E) recycles others opinions. F) Attacks people who are actively contributing, thereby attacking discussion itself. All this in just three posts, it's remarkable really. How can you defend this guy just because he agrees with you? In fact if I was you(and was actually town) I would revaluate my opinion on Rayne just because THIS guy supports it. I'll look at Vayne next, but I'm pretty set on Jar Jar seeing as hes far far worst than Stutters whose principal offence in my eyes was just timing based / : | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously you guys are fucking pedantic. How are we unimaginative or pedestrian? Also heres a flip flop. : Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. You go after Lazer simply because he he spent time talking about marvs miller claim. How is that at all scummy? That's what the main subject of the thread was. He wasn't the only one talking about it. You say that there was plenty of other stuff to talk about. But there really wasn't @ that point. The miller stuff was pretty much all that was discussed yet. Hes abandone his suspicion of Lazer just so he can attack Solstice upon whom his scum read remains awful? Yeah nope. | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote: why is it awful? Do you think that solstice is making good points? Why do you not seem to care what kind of points he makes? Or who he is talking about, just focusing on the fact that JJD is attacking someone who posted a wall of text. im outta here, too much. too much. Dont leave yet ( : I think Solstice is fine, because hes attacking the content of the posts, not the posters, saying stuff like "I'm drunk so dont take me seriously" Is bullshit that shouldn't be immune to scrutiny, nor should fluff be in general, a fact most forget until they themselves want to attack it. Besides, not everything can be as important as the miller dillema, and other avenus are valued because whats important is the reactions and stances produced by the discussions. Jar Jar's reaction to Sols post is that he found him to be what, arrogant? how is that scummy? What Solstice's post produced wasn't so much the answers to his questions, but a chance to recognize scum jumping on an easy target in order to look as if they were contributing, in the regard he delivered in spades. Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up . | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: So what if I was piggybacking off Oats's Rayne case? I happen to agree w/ it. Should I have not given my opinion about it instead? I wasn't attacking Lazer. I was saying that I found it odd that Rayn decided to call him a townread because I don't know why he thought that. I never said that Lazer was a scumread of mine. Just that I don't know why rayn would read him as town @ that point. How is it not scum-hunting? It's a scum trait to not want to accuse people and to be afraid to give your opinion. He was going out of his way to let everyone know that he was gonna be accussing several people of being scummy. Like, just make your cases. I wasn't saying he was pompous at all. 0_0 so your saying he was trying to look not scummy by doing the thing that scum players dont do? Wifom much? also Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone" The trait your describing here is arrogance/confidence. That is not inherently scummy, its neutral, therefore your attacking his character and that is not scum hunting, its an attempt at devaluing his opinion and casting doubt in hopes of seeing if it sticks while elevating your own statues. | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:44 Vivax wrote: piggybacking, flip-flopping, wishy-washy, buddying, recycling banning these reasons from your cases will dramatically improve your scumhunting, it will actually put you in need to explain how people's actions make them scum in detail. You don't do that just by putting their play into a category labeled "scummy" Ok Vivax this is bullshit right here. You are effectively admitting that Jar Jar has done all these things "piggybacking, flip-flopping, wishy-washy, buddying, recycling" and yet you decide the best approach is to coddle? Suggest how he could do better? This is not a newbie mafia game. Unless you want to recant this statement I dont see how you could view Rayne as any more guilty than Jar Jar. Also let me ask you one question (sigh, here we go again), is the player that claims miller more likely than every other player at the start to be a townie? It's already been established that theyre's pretty much a 60 percent risk factor in him being called out, yet that hasn't happened (though everyones still waiting on you to reveal your pm Marv T_T) which means Marv is already more likely town than the rest of us (who are 50/50) though not town for sure of course. But whats so scummy instead of neutral about backing those odds albiet aggressively? In other words How is Rayne saying Marv is town for sure any more damming than Oat saying Rayne is scum for sure? In the end neither can prove they're claim until the die is cast, both convictions are null, they dont say anything about alignment just about the way the players have chosen to play the game. Jar Jar's posting on the other hand is objectively bad/scummy, I dont even have to convince you of that, you've said as much yourself. Jar Jar is the day 1 lynch and your indirect way of confronting him is unsettling to say the least and echoes Oat's similar dismissal of the charges against him. Also with the whole miller thing I feel like your just dancing around technicalities and Wifom, arguing over the intricacies of what some people typed in a hasty tense situation. Let it die, for the moment at least, stop patting your own ego by thinking you've found the mother of all scum slips. If your actually town ceace tunnelling the miller stuff and realize that they're is a better/cleaner pick then Rayne. Which I am sure on some level at least, you already know. FOS: Vivax | ||
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On July 01 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: GUMSHOE. The point with Rayn is that only mafia know the alignments, therefore their behavior reflects that. Rayn Knows that Marv is town, look at his posting. How does he know? Cause hes scum. also Um odds for us being town are 9/12. I dont know, this whole sentence doesnt make sense. Who cares about the odds of marv being scum or town? Whuttt.... What I mean is Rayne is totally certain that Marv(for whatever reasons which i will not get into) is town in the same way your certain that he (Rayne) is scum, which is to say pretty sure but not absolutely. Rayne doesn't claim Marv is town and then go like, oh yeah but he could be scum sure. Just like you dont go oh yeah it's possible Rayne isn't scum though he really probably is. Just because you dont include uncertainty because it would weaken your overall stance, doesn't mean you somehow know for a fact whatever it is your saying. For instance does your supposed knowing Rayne is scum make you a magical third party that knows the who scum is? No, it doesn't. All I'm saying is we throw around alota absolutes, that doesn't mean we have definitive knowledge, we just dont see the need to dilute our position. Also a question, how do you feel about Vivak admitting JJD is scummy in multiple regards and then pretty much just giving him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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On July 01 2013 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol rayn blaming us for attacking him. Classic whiny scum behavior. Seriously you guys are fucking pedantic. woop null vs scum. NICE JOB GUMSHOE im outta here, too much. too much. Sorry, whose whiny? Also how do you feel about Mfuba's only significant post being a wall of text in which he talks about how little hes been active, sheeps you and your opinion ( just like Jar Jar) recycles previous analysis and provides null reads on anyone who hasn't hopped on the Rayne train. Seriously man look at the people on your team, can you honestly say none of them are scummy? Also what is this shiit? JJD will not flip scum. You dont know for a fact JJD wont flip scum, at least you shouldn't, : P yet you dont bother saying, it's unlikely JRR will flip red, because that weakens your argument. This is you proving my point for me right here. And if your willing to consider Rayne town at all cant you be willing to accept that he may just share your stubbornness/conviction? | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will). I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I like people who hop on the rayn train considering its by far not the easiest lynch to happen. Really? At this point it's had more support at one point than another than any other lynch. In fact it was definitely up there as most likely before I pointed out Jar Jar. I view it as an easy lynch over meh reasons, and proper scum lynches are never easy. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: Might as well post my role now. I'm Pfc. Michael Zimmermann Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better. Sigh all that work T_T, Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. In general though I see no point pursuing you anymore, if someone wants to make a counterclaim well deal with it then. Flipity Flopity Flip! Sadly I wont be here for much of the day, going to the beach for fireworks and Canada day eh. Btw I suggest looking at people who felt certain Jar Jar was town when he appeared to be the furthest thing from it, I'm of the opinion that scum did not bus Jar Jar because they felt confident they could get Rayne. I wont name names yet though because I dont have the time to make an argument. See yall tonight meantime I'll take my vote off Jar Jar, but I wont be putting it anywhere else until I take another filter dive. | ||
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On July 02 2013 00:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: @gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming? On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?. Oh and sorry about asking for flavour, didn't catch thats its not allowed. Was also just trying to make a joke XD. And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. But if thats what towns want thats what town'll get. After all, dont hate the players... later all, im gone. | ||
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On July 02 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out: Here's my first post that he's referring to: Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting? 1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont. 2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me @gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming? On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you? I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed. To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out. I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup. Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters. | ||
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On July 02 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure about gumshoe. Quite a bit of his posting seems to show a willingness to think about the game in depth. Dunno how much I agree with Jarjar's point on the voting-to-save-self stuff. Outside of the last hour of the day, it's not a particularly productive thing to say that you'll vote for anyone that's not yourself. The roleclaim stuff is a bit more interesting though. Didn't think so much of it just reading through his filter but JarJar makes a valid point there; it is weird to give reasons against it but then say he'd go for it. Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well). They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much. Doesn't matter seeing as were revealing, but I wont say which role specifically till after or just before tonight. I'm not mad at Jar Jar for not seeing the post that way, just... disappointed. | ||
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On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Glad u asked . pretty sure gumshoe is scum All gumshoe has done is look for miniscule things that he can label piggybacker/flip-flopper/etc... And he's calling people out a bunch because of activity issues just because they leave the thread for a bit. Look @ all of these posts:I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda. And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around. vote: gumshoe Bold 1: You think these things are miniscule? Cause thats what you were doing. Although I'm meh on you now I'm suspicious of anyone who took your innocence as a given (Oats Vivak) because at the time you looked 100 percent scum to me. I still defend my initial reads on you in this regard. Bold 2: reread the second paragraph, or learn to read in the first place. Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play My perception of Stutters has not changed at all. I've just reassessed why RAYNE pressed him. I always believed he was scummy for leaving when he did, heres that first qoute again My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure I've flipp flopped only once this game and that was on you. Feel free to call me out over that. | ||
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OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will). I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. The statement itself is fine, it's the fact that your making it thats scummy. Why say this at all? It sounds like youve given up on scumhunting and you'll vote wherever you need to survive. If your actually town then gives us something useful than this garbage controversial fluff. God why I am even still attacking you? I dont think your scum. Stop forcing me to justify reads that dont even matter anymore so that I can actually go hunt. Also dont you think your just a little bit biased going after me? I've already proved that a bunch of points can be made and they can all be pretty much wrong (in regards to you) stop tunnelling me based off posts from yesterday and a gut feeling most likely based off revenge and look at whats happened since. I am done defending myself. Feel free to peddle what you want from now on I wont adress it, if I get lynched so be it, because honestly the only way that happens is if I cant produce a scum read thats better than this false one, and that would be quite embarrassing. Jar Jar and Wos, how do you feel about Lazer acknowledging Vayne as lynch bait early on and then going ahead and lynching him anyways? | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Why would you do this now when discussion leaned towards revealing at the start of D2? Do you think you're a target tonight? Yes. Also it's the only way to explain the post in dispute. Because it's the truth. | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Finding someones post not town-indicitive <> attacking that person. That's a huge leap to make. This is just a complete misrepresentation of what happened. I had made my cases against you BEFORE any of the role stuff happened. I didn't take the opportunnity to pounce after you said you were leaving for the day. The majority of what I said was before that. Yes I reposted it for marv and then sure, I started it up again today while you were still gone. Are you saying that I shouldn't push my scumread because he disapeared for the day? I don't know how you can say you "assumed we were on fine terms" when we already had plenty of back and forth and I posted @ least 2 full cases against you. Well then tough, you've been misrepresenting half of what I said as well, this is just the way I see it. I'm not talking with you about this anymore though, answer my question on Lazer please. | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe, I'm curious about what Jarjar picked up with the bolded. You attack Jarjar for groundlessly attacking Jarjar, when Jarjar had merely said he didn't see why Lazer should be a townread. Do you understand how that looks like you were grabbing and twisting at stuff? Or do you have a different explanation? I believe scum would find passive aggressive ways to throw doubt on people. him saying "nothing in his posting looks townie" is effectively him saying he looked through his filter, and found him null/scum. The tone of it sounded scum to me though because of the sort of double pronged(associating rayne and lazer) passive way it came across. | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: How is that an answer? You said you thought we were on fine terms even though I had spent a great deal of time accusing you. Why would you have thought that? The tone of our last conversation along side your reveal and my reversal changed my view. Is that so hard to believe? Sorry but your completely biased and wrong. Answer my question if you feel you deserve the same. How did you feel about Lazer putting his vote on vayne though mentioning thoroughly he was likely lynch bait. Also do you think it'd be easier to claim blue in this game than green? | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Isn't the townie explanation that he sees someone with what he views as a weird townread and doesn't tally it with his own mentality/view of the game? But then what is he implying? That Rayne is giving Lazer a free pass? Then hes still accusing and associating them in shallow way, I'm sorry but I find that scummy. | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Isn't the townie explanation that he sees someone with what he views as a weird townread and doesn't tally it with his own mentality/view of the game? Also context is important, early in the game alot of people were arguing and pushing matters along, Jar Jar had three posts that flung veiled jabs at solstice Lazer and Rayne. Now we can look back and see the whole thing in perspective and read his rebuttals and take note of his reveal but back then he seemed pretty lurkey/accusatory. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. Claiming miller is starkly different from claiming civi. The presence of a miller affects the whole game, especially with a parity cop in play. His reveal affects town directly rather than just affecting his statues. I dont think it's fair to compare the the two reveals honestly / : | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. Also WOS can you be clear, what are you trying to say here? | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum. I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting? Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now? | ||
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Sorry I was writing from your perspective. You believe Marv is scum, do you think they're is no miller then? Or that the miller is waiting for something? If either of these are what your saying you've pretty much brought us back to the start but in a very roundabout way. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i just said Lazer might be town. BUT IF MARV IS MILLER HE HAS ZERO REASON TO DOUBT UN-CC'D COP! marv is not a miller and not town. If any miller is yet to claim they are retarded. 0_0, sorry, I'm slow. In small words why would Marv have no reason to doubt Lazer if hes miller? And yeah I agree, there is either no miller or Marv is miller. If Marv isn't miller though did he just make another ridicules balls to the wall claim this game? Havent you considered that extremely unlikely for some time now? | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why the gumshoe clause? What am I missing? Maybe he means I'm going to get role blocked/killed? | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it's extremely unlike the setup would be miller + no cop. If i was a miller i would 100% assume there is a cop. ooooooooooo fuuck thats so obvious. I'm an idiot. Still is it possible that maybe he doubts Lazers claim specifically rather than the existence of cop in general? Seems unlikely even so. Good catch I guess XD | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:20 Vivax wrote: Wait for the claim guys, it was actually stupid to not pick the order. Imo, let Fuba and WoS claim their names first next. Since I'm blue I may as well reveal, I'm Shoshana. I came out earlier because if I got shot I could trade 1 for 1 with scum without getting myslynched. Oh and worst case scenario I got to live another 72 hours, yaaaay. Lazer do you feel the need to let us know what you discovered last night? Were you role blocked? | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote: Pretty sure iGrok said that roleblocks don't notify in one of his clarification posts Yes but if your ability doesn't go through.... | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote: Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit. A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim? | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'd rather stop talking about all these claims and judge people by their play. How do you feel about lynching marv? I was gone during the vote sadly, so I was kinda shocked to see Vayne had been lynched. Looking back Marv didnt give great reasons as to why he felt this was so strong a choice. Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game. Vayne doesn't care about the game and Vayne is always at the forefront of town when he's town (and much less so as scum). I understand from something in his filter that he was away at some point, but having returned he's just given lists of people he's happy to lynch into and nothing else of substance. His standing in town is precisely the opposite of what I expect from town-Vayne and much more what I'd expect from scum-Vayne. This is pure Wifom. Disregard it. Also it was wrong. This is his other reason. I can't see why Vayne is town though. His last 4 or 5 posts in his filter are all saying he;s happy lynching into numerous people or giving reasoning without conclusions. This is the singular post in question in which Vayne does this. I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it Of the three here, nothing can be said against Fuba and Stutters that hasnt already been said and Vayne has gone at length about Lazer. So his reasonings for lynching Vayne come off as bullshiit. The only thing that happens four or five times is the amount of posts in which Marv says Vayne is super scummy rather than elaborating as to why he is. He also pretty much says hes not confident in the vote here. no, and my viewpoint is more uninformed than usual, in that I'm basically discounting people (fuba, gumshoe being two good examples) because I haven't got time to think about it properly. Yet he believes that he can and should be the one to decide and asks everyone to take a leap of faith for him. Just sheep me and I can deal with the flak whatever the flip is. Why did the guy coming into thread last minute feel comfortable pushing everyone to listen to him? After hes wrong does his posting somehow become indecisive? Does he appear in any way perturbed? No, he laughs at Vayne for raging and then gets right back to the game as if his and towns position has in no way been weakened. The whole wagon is so ridicules that I have to agree with what someone said earlier, if hes scum, scum lynch was probably on the line. Also as ridicules as the fact that he got this wagon rolling at all was that it worked. Why did Lazer join the wagon even though he had thoroughly discussed Vayne being lynch bait before hand? On the other side of it all we have the miller claim, another crazy ballsy move that speaks for itself. Honestly though if Marv is town hes playing a crazy game, if hes scum hes playing a crazy game as well. So lets forget the odds and the statistics for a moment. Is Marv a good scum player that can turn chaos to his advantage and convince people of his innocence through sheer bravado? Survey says yes. If you have any respect for Marvs play, you have to assume hes not town this game ) : cause this have gone to hell largely because of him and his efforts. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote: What have I done that's 'crazy', gumshoe? How is my behavioural analysis of Vayne WIFOM? It was a meta read, don't call it wifom when it isn't. Just because it was wrong doesn't make it crazy or wifom. This town has gone to hell largely because of my efforts? The fact that town sheeped me when I asked is indicative of a shit town who didn't have any of their shit together and sheeped someone who came back an hour before the lynch. Bullshit all you like but every townie's vote is their own. Fuck you man, go to hell. Theres a fine line between WIFOM and META and I think that line is right or wrong. You used something that wound up being false to make a lynch happen that otherwise shouldnt have happened. You need to be held accountable for that at least. Also Fuck you man, go to hell ouch man 0_0 ouch. Not cool at all ) : its an opinion in a game, I havent even lynched/shot you or your mafia buds yet XD | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote: because then it doesnt matter as much if the fakeclaimer died because they wont lose KP anyway. This is a MAIN POINT in your defence that its too risky and not enough benefit for scum to claim. WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY. Wos has now claimed second to last with no green townie spots remaining, he likely waited to see what was left and took the final blue spot thinking hed have a better chance fighting two to three blues then he would a single townie or convincing town hes survivor. Furthermore we pretty much KNOW for a fact Vivax is blue because a) A kp was blocked. b) the only other way a kp could be blocked is by survivor, and no one has claimed survivor. C) Vivak's claim was too quick to just be opportunistic and has not been counter claimed. Considering all these factors I can only conceive of two believable possibilities, a) Scum witheld kp so that Vivak could claim vet(would be so godamm awesome) b) Vivak is telling the truth. Vivak is 99.99999 percent vet. Which leaves me Lazer and WOS whose claim I didn't believe even before he made it. Also why block or hold WOS? What has he done to make himself look blue? Wos is asking us to believe two incredibly farfetched things. 1) He just happened to be last claim. 2) He was role blocked? meh and meh. Also why was Lazer not shot if he is detective? Was scum content role blocking him? I've already gone into why I think they'res little harm in keeping me around. At the moment I find WOS to be so scummy he actually eclipses Marv. Oh and good god Jar Jar are we agreeing on something? Perhaps you reavaluate your read immediately. ##Vote WOS | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:34 marvellosity wrote: ]There's not a fine line between wifom and meta. Stop just saying shit as if it's true. It was a legitimate summary of his past play and comparing it to this game, someone being involved or not isn't wifom. You're blaming me for a lynch as if no townie has ever lynched another townie or something? Again, hello, I have one vote only, I just pushed for what I thought was right. Where were you trying to care about the lynch? Oh, not there, I remember. Keep your own house in order before throwing stones. Where were you for 60 percent of this game? My house might be a bit disorganized and undergoing on and off again renovations but your house burnt down six months ago while you were too busy being not there. Also Canada day brah, respect. And I blame you for the lynch because you had no right making that call. You were the least informed yet you pushed Vayne and told town you'd take full responsibility for your shot in the dark and ended up depriving us of a Fuba(whose the only one who hasn't claimed yet) lynch or a Lazer lynch. Which is what would have happened if you'd just kept on keeping on. Now your shrugging it off as if isn't a big deal. Well it is. Your on the wayside right now though because WOS basically just revealed. So you have that to be grateful for. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't wait, I got home and claimed immediately. I mentioned I was going to be gone much earlier on in the day and I even asked people if they wanted to wait until I showed up to claim so something exactly like this wouldn't happen. I would have had no problem claiming first if I just so happened to be around. Ok let me remove the fluff. TLDR. You are asking me essentially to believe Lazer is scum, because I know Vivax is town or shiit is messed up. You are asking me to believe you got role blocked despite your play in no way being indicative of blue. And you are asking me to believe you just happened to claim the last blue spot. In light of your spotty town history I'm just not buying it / : in fact your claim just makes me believe Lazer might be town. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: Don't think I'm missing anyone here: marvellosity - Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz gumshoe - Shoshanna s0Lstice - Pierre LaPadite WaveofShadow - Sgt. Donny Donowitz mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Pfc. Andy Kagan Stutters695 - Vivax - Lt. Aldo Raine Lazermonkey - Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki JarJarDrinks - Pfc. Michael Zimmermann Fuba and Stutters need to claim. Townie points to whichever one claims first. Wait I was right sorry, Stutters claimed Omar. | ||
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Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Spotty town history? lol show me gumshoe, after all you've talked about me so much this game! Oats you're going to have to tear me off this guy. Oats if you don't think we should be lynching into the blues do you think as far as fake greens it's the miller claims (ie marv and future fuba probs)? If host gave out a bunch of fakeclaims so scum would be safe I feel like it wouldn't have been that they got both millers and that there aren't any, do you? I havent talked about you because I havent had to, people have been on your ass since the moment you opened your mouth(et Fuking français est sorti). Just because I havent felt the need to be redundant and I didn't find you to be lynch number uno doesn't mean I havent been taking note. Also way to dodge the bullet points. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe reading your post again what the ACTUAL fuck? How exactly does a blue play that you would expect me to? I'm curious. And not that it means much but I actually breadcrumbed what I'd be doing tonight. I didn't think it was a very good one at all (because I'm usually real shit at breadcrumbing) but it's possible it was picked up on. Well I didnt pick up on it, care to ask if anyone else did? In fact. Did anyone here WOS was blue? If you were scum would you role block him? Why? | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that fuba is gonna claim survivor. scum cant claim miller now. He didnt cc marv. I dont really wanna lynch the survivor today. We are not lynching WoS or Lazer today. I could get on the gumshoe lynch A lynch on me is a lynch on WOS XD I can get behind that. Also instead of passively ignoring my argument, adress it and tell me why am I a better lynch that WOS? | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:21 Oatsmaster wrote: who cares why WoS was RBed? Someone has to be RB and I wouldnt RB a vet cause there isnt any point and maybe WoS blue slipped somewhere. So WOS happened to blue slip somewhere, get role blocked despite two open blues being in play (me and Lazer) then manage to claim the very last blue spot? Again why am I a better lynch? | ||
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i think that you guys shouldve lynch WoS and that marv is town. I think WoS and you might both be scum but you are suspecting WoS. WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY. What has WOS done to redeem himself? His been on your periphery all game. Would you just rather arbitrarily lynch me over him? If thats the case Ima have to quote you one last time. im outta here, too much. too much. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah im thinking that rayn is town now. Yeah, thats another thing, why the fuuk should anyone listen to you? How are you still blindly confident in your scum read? The guy you've tunneled all game long is dead. And still you choose to operate on your gut. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:28 Oatsmaster wrote: You were definetly not vig, any other blue does not have a role to block. Lazer doesnt give a result till d3, so he can be rb or killed n2. Therefore none of you wouldve been roleblocked. You are a better lynch because I liked WoS play when he came back to the thread, and I talked with him for a bit. smacks of town. You dont. You can delay Lazer by removing his first read, his initial can be role blocked. So here we are again. Scum likely have one block and they just so happen to plant it on the one guy who just so happens to be vig? And I thought lynching Vayne was a shot in the dark. Also I'm asking WOS how he could have played more blue. I'm stating that it's unlikely anyone would look at him and say, that guys vig. So the one hand we have the guy who claims and gets blocked, both out of nowhere, and has explanations. Of course he has fuucking explanations, everyone has explanations for everything. The real question is why do you buy dumb? And the real answer is Bias slash your gut. But your gut is bullshiit. Rayne was town. Dunk your head in a bucket of water man, take a gander at whats right in front of you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:38 Oatsmaster wrote: OH YEHA RAYN IS DEAD. LLOOOL man im really bad at this. Yes. You were wrong, arrogant and blind before. And yet your acting the same way now. Your either not playing your best game or your scum and Im done trying to explain 1 plus 1 to you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Except he did actually post something about Lazer and I missed that. every other quote is before he came back and did that stream of consciousness shit. Also there were like 20 new pages when I woke up. How is that towny? The dude speaks French at the start, he makes his arguments purposely hard to follow, his play is null at best and the current situation screams scum. Also if your scum defending him wont work / : if I go he dies anyways, and then town comes after you for bussing two townies and defending scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:42 Oatsmaster wrote: its hard to keep track of kills man. We are not killing WoS today. Next candidate? Until Fuba comments it's me or him(unless he doesnt, in which case him). And if its me it's also him and then I hope it's you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote: um what? Im asking who you want to kill. what is the last sentence saying? Im saying either I die or Wos dies, unless Fuba gets somehow even more suspicious(he hasn't claimed a role yet). Also I'm willing to go because I'm take WOS with me as well | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote: HAY GUMSHOE THE BOLDED PLZ I also like how the best arguments you're coming up with right now is shit that is literally days old despite the fact that I've probably posted just as much since I came back from my absence. Like the French? That's one of your arguments? Really? The french? The stream of thought? Your posting is almost purposely obfuscated, and this whole incident? Also I never said you could play bluer. Just that I'f I was scum, and was blowing one block on say Lazer, my pick for the other would not be you unless I was picking out of a bloody hat. Which means your claim is pretty farfetched. This along with your late claim and the fact that I know Vivax is town means either you or Lazer is scum. The circumstances give you the edge, though I'd like to hear from Lazer if he got blocked as well(if he can disclose that info, not sure how his peek works) | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so you arent willing to put in effort to find other scum besides WoS? Like wtf gumshoe. I'll look at Fuba or lazer depending on what they say. The plan was to use the claim to produce conflicts. Right now Fuba and WOS are the more convincing of those conflicts. Today we deal with them as well as maybe Lazer(need to hear from him). If that means lynching me so be it. If you want to press Fuba by all means, if he doesn't say anything or hes less believable ill lynch him instead. but I'm not taking another guess when it's near certain that one of these three is scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll be back later on after my guy's first nightfeed. Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.) What hole? We havent hear about this from anyone else other than us three. Dont try to reverse engineer the kind of environment you need to survive the day please : P | ||
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On July 03 2013 11:00 Oatsmaster wrote: NO WE DONT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE RESOLVED ANYWAY N2. COME ON. Out of the none blue claimers and fuba, who do you think is scum? See this is bullshit, why do I need to present a gut based read? I did that before and I was pretty much wrong(Jar Jar) you did that before and were totally wrong (Rayne) also regarding night two this is what happens. Vixax loses his last life because we have no Landa, scum kill one of the greens, probably you or maybe Jar Jar who knows. What they will not do is kill me Lazer or WOS because they can rollblock Wos AND Lazer if need be and they're not stupid enough to give away one of they're own. Nothing will resolve itself, Marv was hoping it would yesterday and it didn't, but that's fine because that was at night. This is day, we cannot idly sit by and hope scum do our job for us. They wont. Killing just one scum drastically increases our odds of success by reducing they're kp. So why look anywhere else when blues and Fuba are our best bets? They are the reason we revealed and nullified our cop and vig. Why would we let them get away? BTW if you want another read I made one on Marv, but I'm not lynching outside of Lazer WOS or Fuba because one of them is scum(unless fuba fights a claimee) and our job as town is to lynch scum, not whoever we feel shiity about, in case you forgot. | ||
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On July 03 2013 11:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont care about your gut based reads. I dont think you understand what I mean. How the game is played isnt through sifting through claims, its through looking at peoples posting and seeing if they are playing to promote a scum objective rather than trying to find scum themselves. The scum have two kp and all the blues are outed, at this point all they need to do is survive the day and it's effectively gg. They're only agenda is survival. I am not looking through claims, I am pointing out that one of us blues is scum and WOS is the most suspicious. I am the second, lynch me or him and you will find scum either way. Vivax is blue 100 percent, if you cant convince me Lazer is more suspicious than me or WOS than thats that. Try and steer me away and your pretty much just a hypocrite, nobody tunnels as hard as you. The difference is I know for a fact either Lazer or WOS (or hell, both) is scum. If you suspect me more than them than go ahead and lynch me. | ||
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4 blues? WOS himself called bull on that. Also stop trying to assuage me, I'm supposed to be channeling you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: WoS is host? Anyway, the question is, is scum going all in on this? hmm No, Wos knows cause WOS is scum. And no I'm not sure that they'res not more blues than they're are scum and that all blue roles are in play. After all They're is a thin line between knowing and thinking, still, vote WOS : P. The idea that they're are four blues coupled with the idea that the role called last coupled with the farfetched notion that mafia role blocked him(randomly essentially, he said it himself, he wasn't trying to play blue) also WOS was immediately of the opinion that one of the blues was fake. Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? There is no way in hell all the blue roles are present in this game so some people are lying. Why was he so sure? You attacked Rayne for a lesser supposed insight regarding miller odds, yet here comes WOS guns blazing certain of a fight. He knows they're isn't a 4th blue cause hes the fake and hes trying to take the aggressive stance because he knows hes going to be challenged, and hes getting challenged because hes scum. Also hes claiming blue because it's easier than claiming a specific role and having scum be either A or B, claiming the extra blue role would be a struggling scums best bet. In general Believing that WOS is not scum and blue requires a great deal of suspension of disbelief, why not just go Occums razor on this guys ass? | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: I gonna ignore the second bit cause thats pure speculation and confirmation biased. RB's d1 are normally random unless there is a blue slip or whatever. Scum got lucky. Good for them. WoS is the last to claim cause hes unlucky. Normal mini games have 2-3 blues. This game, there are 4 claimed blues. Its reasonable to think that 1 is fake. You are crazy tunneled not even on his play, on speculation and making up a theory that fits your assumption that WoS is scum. Ok so WoS is scum, and the scumteam decided to withhold their RB and for WoS to claim last. The reason why this is not really what I wouldve done as scum is because its obvious you are vengeful townie, and its obvious after the blocked KP that there is a vet. So vig is an easy claim. So therefore, the fact that WoS claimed last has nothing to do with his alignment. You admit that 4 blues is unlikely. You admit scum is extraordinarily likely. You admit likewise that luck once again struck poor WOS when he claimed the last role. Also Your case on Rayne was based on similarly biased speculation of impossible knowledge, you have no right to lecture me about that. WOS does not even consider the possibility of four blues until his head is on the chopping block. Again your asking me to take extraordinary leaps of rationalization. I am telling you it's bull and it's not going to happen. Also thinking about what you would do as scum is complete Wifom, and incredibly hypocritical considering what you just called me out on. Why are you using it to rebut facts? Oh and before you call me out on something else stupid my bilief that scum would kill vixax and leave the rest of the blues behind alive but neutered isn't WIFOM, it's just common sense provided were dumb enough not to lynch one of the blues today. BTW do you still think the situation will resolve itself night 2? If so your an idiot. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:29 s0Lstice wrote: Oats and gumshoe, what do you think of Lazer's actions surrounding the D1 lynch? I've already mentioned that It's stupid that he regarded Vayne as lynch bait but went on to lynch him. I would be fine lynching him Fuba or WOS. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah thats true. Assumably he knows that WoS thinks Vayne looks townie as scum and scummy as town. But he never ever references that. BUTTT the claim. No other blue claims, really really high chance of being counterclaimed UNLESS marv is scum and he knows there are no millers. So both of them are scum or Lazer is town and marv is scum or both are town. Lazer is only scum if marv is scum. So you dont want to lynch Lazer, you dont want to lynch me, you dont want to lynch WOS but you know one of us scum? Why are you more confident in WOS than Lazer despite Lazers early claim? If you aren't then just lynch me or WOS. If your town it's win win. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote: gumshoe, im done talking with you. Because your wrong, and incapable of seeing reason, or your scum. Personally I hope it's the first. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:45 s0Lstice wrote: Speaking of those claims, I'm pretty interested in operating like they don't exist. That's probably a function of me being terrible with claim stuff. When he claimed...he thought there were only 4 minutes left right? Could he not have just randomly picked a blue and got lucky that there isn't actually a cop in the game? Fuba has yet to claim, WOS is scum. What more do you want? BTW do you really believe that Wos just happened to be role blocked, and that he claimed last? Why is anyone else more suspicious than him? What major contribution has WOS made outside of being not outright scummy? Why do you still put stock in Oats word? He was wrong about Rayne and hes flip flopped for seemingly no reason on WOS other than that I attacked him. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:02 s0Lstice wrote: It is within the realm of possibility that he was role-blocked and claimed last. Whether it is likely or not is pretty difficult to discern. Like I just said, I'd really prefer to just ignore the claims, considering how it shook out. I want to lynch the scummiest player. I'm talking to both of you because you are here. If we only talked to people who were right all the time, it'd be a pretty quiet game. Sigh, no one gives my claim credence because I might be scum, but they wont kill me because I might be town : P. Revenge townie 22. Seriously if I was Marv and I came in here with this case yall would doubtlessly be down with it. Well maybe not Marv this game XD. Though I'll agree with you for now, they're are other scum out there. Also how do you feel about Fuba not having claimed? They're are also no spots left to claim but survivor. Will you believe him if thats what he decides? | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Gumshoe, why are you dismissing everything I said because I was wrong about 1 read? Everyone please read this, no it isnt WIFOM. And no WoS isnt scum for claiming last. Which seems to be your main point Gumshoe. That and of four blues one pretty much has to be scum. And that be got randomly role blocked. and that he was sure there was a fake blue. But ignore all that in favour of what is easy to shut down. Fact is WOS is fishy, you still dont think hes scum fine. Just dont treat it as something it isn't. And guessing what scum would do is 100 percent wifom. I've done it as well and I cant lend to much stock into it. I thought you were done talking to me btw? Press a case and lynch me or go away, stop trying to make a duck not duck. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Gumshoe, why are you dismissing everything I said because I was wrong about 1 read? Everyone please read this, no it isnt WIFOM. And no WoS isnt scum for claiming last. Which seems to be your main point Gumshoe. I'm saying you should not be at the forefront of town credence, because you tunneled to oblivion Rayne and he was innocent. I'm condemning your whole game over Rayne because for a long time he was your game, and you played bad. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Killing fuba is worse than no lynching IMO. I think gumshoe is too infuriating to be scum. So yeah WoS is scum. You do care ( : Heres something worth considering. If were willing to believe WOS's outrageous claim, then you have to consider Marv scum. Because he was the only one who was going to be shot last night, lazer was secondary. Scum would only risk a random roll block to find vig if one of they're own was in danger, otherwise they'd let the shot go through on a townie and wed be in super duper omega lylo. If WOS is lying though that says nothing about Marv's alignment. Also if this is the case why has WOS not been bussing Marv? If hes town he should be vindicated right now, seeing as scum blocked his shot because he was targeting scum. Instead he claims that he shot Marv and then lets it go, choosing to focus on the blue dilemma. This makes no sense from a town perspective. In light of this you can see WOS has proven wishy washy twoards Marv all throughout day 2. I think you're going to have to come up with something better than "people who agree with me instantly aren't scum." First of all I do agree with you in that I find marv to be the most likely to be scum atm, but I always consider other options as well---considering that there have been games where presence of roles that can mess with cop do not necessarily indicate cop does not mean I disagree with you. Tries to harmlessly diffuse the conversation while suggesting other avenues. If you'll remember in my posts last night I brought up the fact that Marv and Vivax were both content to relegate the lynch to those who weren't able to defend themselves at the time. I remember Marv's vote on me looking particularly awful. Doesn't press this, sounds fairly passive here to begin with. (qoute in response to a case against Marv) This I can get behind. It seems a little at odds with your thinking earlier today but whatever. What do you make of Fuba's latest post-and-fuck-off? Try's to redirect onto Fuba. WTF Rayn? Why do you think I don't see what you do? I've said multiple times I agree that your scenario is more likely, I just don't want to completely exclude other possibilities. Mafia is a game of likelihoods and since your scenario is most likely in the case of marv, I would be voting him during the day (or Stutters, though I don't think I'm getting much support for that). Always a caveat. WOS frequently dances around the idea of Marv as scum but rarely pushes it. Virtually all his statements in regard to Marv are responses despite Marv supposedly being his number 1 read. Even when confronted with a situation in which Marv has to be scum 100 percent (him getting role blocked randomly because Marv was in danger) he doesn't follow up and tries to redirect the situation onto the blues. In fact Hes barely mentioned Marv since he took his shot. TLDR if WOS is town he needs to be pushing Marv, he isn't and therefor he is scum, which means Marv is likely scum too because if he was town WOS could quite easily get away with bussing him, yet he chooses not to. Also I messed up night two logic. Assuming either Lazer or Wos is scum, scum simply role block the real blue and then both blues claim role block tomorrow and were back in the exact same spot. They're thats how it works, they're shots will go to Vivax and a green. They cant kill me because the role block needs to go onto the actual blue and they risk a 1 for 1 trade by recklessly shooting me. Lastly To reiterate one last time what has been said WOS is scum because his role block claim is crazy, he picked the last role he could nab without getting into direct conflict, he refused to acknowledge the possibility of 4 blues until his head was on the line (being the first to suggest a fake) and he never once pushed a bus on me because my getting lynched is the same as him getting lynched(a risk hes not willing to take because he knows I'm blue). Hes been absent for ages now since weakly fighting the case against his claim and his play has been spotty/confusing all game. He has been on everyones radars at one point or another and what has he contributed? For Rayne and reasons sake, lynch WOS. Also Fuba, if Vivax dies tonight we lynch you next. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Isn't that why vote no-lynch @ Mylo is a good strategy? Please answer these questions marv: - Do you agree that if we mislynch today we lose the game? - Are you 100% sure that WoS is scum? Cause if you answer yes to the first, I don't know how you can answer no to the 2nd. Yes and Yes. What does lylo have to do with scum? | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote: So you'd incriminate me based on the failings of a (presumably) flipped mafia? What a star. WoS is sitting back and seeing what shit sticks, how lovely that you're here to connect the dots for him I assume you're another one of those who doesn't understand how retarded fakeclaiming miller for no reason at the start of day 1 was? Yes? Lovely. That is unless scum had fake claims. Which seems to be the case. You yourself have proposed this. BTW dont worry were not lynching you today : P. Also WOS is a good player and a fellow canadian. He would not make such an easy mistake. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:22 marvellosity wrote: TIL from gumshoe: next time i roll mafia, sound convinced that a townie is scum and then stop pushing it. that townie is sure to get lynched after I die. Marv I'd just like to say it's a pleasure playing with you XD and yes that townie might die but only after you : P | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:27 marvellosity wrote: It would be a lot less dumb than fakeclaiming miller 5 minutes into the game in an unfamiliar setup with a highchance of town rolling miller. Just sayin like. Sooooo your agreeing with me? Also seeing as we dont even have 1 conflict of identity dont you think it's somewhat likely scum have fake claims? If not fake claims then what? The host himself said the setup hasn't been fully revealed. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:55 Stutters695 wrote: Well I want to believe WoS because I still think Fuba is scum. I just don't understand fake claiming there. Why would scum be out to get him on d2 when all he has to do is talk his way out of a lynch today/defend fuba and mislynch into a n2 win by not blocking? What incentive does scum have to kill him here? None, the dude is in all likely hood scum. If he isn't after tonight things will look like this town 4 scum 3. If we lynch him as survivor we still get a chance at winning and we know Fuba is confirmed scum, if we lynch him as scum, then we got scum. They're is no reason not to vote for WOS. And man he just admitted to straight up lying to us, dont trust a word out of his mouth. | ||
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On July 04 2013 02:01 Stutters695 wrote: I'm aware. I'm pretty damn confident in my scumread on Fuba. I guess 3p would explain his weird behavior, but he's been so fucking scummy. Usually I'd associate someone with 3p if they're more on the townish-null side. They both can't be scum because this would be the most retarded bus in the history of mafia. Please vote WOS because hes straight up lied to us with his claim, hes second claiming survivor and they'res still all the aforementioned reasons to consider. Fuba's play can be explained somewhat by neutrality, WOS's is far more difficult to rationalize, hes just trying something crazy because what else is he supposed to do? Lay down and die? | ||
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On July 04 2013 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote: no JJD. at least I really hope not. Why? Either way were killing them both today or tomorrow. Unless we hit the scum today and we get a fantastic read on another scum player. | ||
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Going by this standard we see WOS has in fact already lost this game, the moment a third party reveals in a non ridicules setup they have effectively placed they're fate into the other teams hands. This is why WOS fake claimed, he literally had no other move, to admit hes survivor is to basically hand the game over. Also when he does reveal his play shifts drastically tone wise. Now the big question, why did WOS think scum was coming after him? What if he was actually role blocked at night? Suddenly his claim(or at least the least believable part of it) feels more believable if scum were attempting to neutralize the survivor, not the vet, whose likely the biggest threat to them ability wise. WOS's play did not feel especially town like, but It could come off as neutral from a scums perspective. Perhaps his blue claim wasn't made to convince us, but rather to convince scum that he was not survivor. So lets say WOS was actually role blocked, which is not too farfetched considering that someone was and that someone was not Lazer. WOS claims vet, in a bid to convince scum that survivor is still out there. This serves two purposes, a) it's basically a 'hey, you got the wrong guy' to scum, and b) it's an attempt at convincing scum that he could be protected by survivor tonight, this is why he claims blue(aside from it being his only option), because that improves his odds in they're eyes that he cant be shot until actual survivor is killed. Which is bullshit because hes survivor XD. Not the greatest move, but a pretty scrappy one I must say. The only flaw with the claim is that he didn't take into account an angry town mob tearing his claim to shreds. The point is though that it wouldve been better for scum to claim survivor (especially WOS) rather than the very last blue because they are more likely to survive the day as survivor (hohohoho) and thats they're only objective, maintain 2 kp for just one last day. But for survivor thats a terrible move, which might only guarantee them a day or little more to live, provided that scum doesn't shoot them at night first. WOS only makes the claim when no other option is left to him. If WOS is survivor, his play is indicative of someone who is completely screwed, beset by enemies on all sides whose had to take crazy risks just to survive one more day night cycle. This is the play of a survivor. Fuba on the other hand casually makes the claim here in this post that I'm about to tear apart. The bold is me. Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. He accepts that weve found him so easily... and acts as if nothings changed. Also If your jail keeper, why not use your ability? Makes no sense, at the very least with a mass role claim on the way you can lend credence to your claim and maybe earn some town favour. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum. This is worthless, he basically says hes either scum or town... how remarkable. To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum. This is interesting, why does he feel so sure that scum dont have fake claims? The exact wording is as if hes throwing town a bone, though why would survivor so confidently know that scum get no fake claims? Either way hes not lying because if hes survivor he has no reason to lie and if hes scum why would he assume survivor if he had a fake claim? What we can take away from this is that Marv is probably not scum. Because this effectively confirms that they're are no fake roles either way. Though well be sure when we see Fuba flip. Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads. This is a great big ball of nothing. He basically says Marv sucks and tell him to back and read other stuff not relevant to this current situation. Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly. Says he considers Marv town, though he didn't bother saying it before, and doesn't provide reasons why now, in fact he only mentions something he found scummy about Marv. Then casually flings doubt on Rayne reads and complains it's too hard to analyze anything right now. It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out 4 5 times while writing this post. I'll be back tomorrow, gonna need like half a day of sleep... Read what I wrote about stutters, and tell me what's actually wrong with the reasoning (not just marv, but anyone who actually disagrees with it). Says he finds something obviously fishy fishy but doesn't follow up in anyway. Then he says he wont be able to provide any analysis today, then he tells the whole thread to go and look at something thats not really relevant anymore. He barely touches upon everything thats happened, and try's to redirect town onto matters that stopped mattering 20 pages ago. Furthermore his confidence that they're are no fake claims seems to be the closest thing I've seen to a scum slip all game and his own claim is just so boring. Hes supposed to be survivor, yet the way hes producing reads is the exact same as hes been doing all game. Go back and take note of WOS's attempts not to be outed and the stark change in WOS's play when he finally was, both these things are indicative of a survivor. They're is none of that in Fuba's play, and the casual way in which he accepts that we've found him is way to chill. Lastly Fuba would have us believe that he deliberately chose not to use his ability, which I find far less believable than WOS being role blocked or choosing not to reveal who he jailed. Fuba is scum, and the person I'd like to thank for helping me come to this realization... Is Oats. | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote: See scum? Look at what I do for you, I shut down discussion, and this is how you repay me? Shameful, sirs. I actually need to salute you, if you did what I think you did that there is some balls. | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:33 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe, just reading through now, but - if WoS was survivor he wouldn't know if he was roleblocked, unless he tried jailing rayn. I dont know, but looking back his play is way more indicative of survivor than Fuba. Also maybe he did get roll blocked on Rayne, hes implying that he has had some kind of connection with scum. Getting blocked on Rayne might just be it. Aside from that he might have some power we dont know about thats put him jeopardy. Point is Fuba has claimed survivor but has effectively stated it means nothing. On the other side of the spectrum we have WOS who gives the impression that we know nothing and that our names are all Jon snow. WOS also doesn't tell us everything because it's not in his interest to, hes trying to win not just get through the day. Fuba comes clean (literally considering they're is nothing to reveal) because hes just trying to survive one day. Also claiming survivor in this game is a death wish because town has no doctor. With no vig in the game and an easy role block on Lazer Landa is the biggest threat to scum. Hes trying to fool them, not us. | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:48 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe, if fuba is mafia, and given roleblocks aren't notified, why do you think he claimed jailing no-one instead of someone? For example, he could claim to have jailed Jarjar? Because he was frightened of a contradiction or a stupid sounding block. If he said Jar Jar would you have believed him? Of course not. His best option as scum would be to claim that he remained neutral. His best move as survivor though would be trying to benefit either town or scum with a mass claim on it's way. Only he couldn't do that because hes not survivor and hes not town aligned. | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:52 marvellosity wrote: Why would we not believe him jailing Jarjar? Because why would you jail Jar Jar when you have the power to make an actual difference(sorry Jar Jar, Rayne and co were better choices)? It's also a choice that draws more attention to him because hes specifically picking Jar Jar. If he stays neutral then the choice is far simpler. But how does that bring him closer to winning? Look at WOS's play and you see someone trying to survive both factions, look at Fubas and you see someone trying to survive the lynch. He hasn't even mentioned that scum might target him tonight. | ||
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On July 04 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote: hey gumshoe. So WoS claimed vigilante who tried to shoot me, right? That means he's going to be exposed as a liar sooner rather than later, given he's not actually going to be able to shoot anyone. This means two things a) he's going to be exposed as a liar b) by claiming vigilante he's making himself a night-target. No? This is the mind fuck right here. Assuming he cant know if hes was blocked by maifa. This is all encompassing play. Hes trying to give the impression he was blocked by actual survivor XD in order to try and convince mafia he has a guardian angel. If mafia did block him. They still have to maybe come to terms with the idea that hes not survivor and that real survivor is out there, with the potential to protect him because hes supposedly blue. If they didn't then they have to assume hes either lying or Landa protected him. If they assume hes lying what do they care, hes casting doubt on the blues and throwing town into disarray. It's really quite brilliant. The problem as I mentioned is town itself not willing to accept his crazy story. I feel WOS thought he could swing it and didn't count on being chosen as scum over Lazer. He also probably counted on scums support persecuting Lazer and defending him... Which I feel he got. Oh and if they feel hes telling the truth then they have to role block him and target Landa. He may also have powers we are unaware of. Point is they're is something going on here, even if we dont know what we have to accept that it exists. Comparatively they're is nothing happening over on Fubas side. Also I dont think he believed that scum would take survivor. | ||
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On July 04 2013 06:33 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe I've not seen thinking like this in ages, I hope to god you're both right and town because this has all been rather refreshing ^_^ Congratulate WOS not me XD Either way hes the one making dem plays. Unless were both scum, in which case... | ||
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On July 04 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty much right aside from some (important) minor details. The survivor claim blindsided me as you can see, my posting during the claims indicated I assumed fuba would simply be fucked because he'd be forced to grab the last miller spot. Instead mafia decided to pit me against him since he was under suspicion anyway on a gamble that I'd be more suspicious and they'd keep the extra KP. They gambled poorly in my opinion. Essentially they lose fuba one day early and lose the extra KP making it easier for you guys now; had you lynched me THEN lynched fuba you'd be lost at LYLO because you have no idea where to go next. I'd like to think them losing a KP means I'm safe, but yeah....JK is a good role toi have. Above all I'm just glad your talking now. | ||
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Also Interesting to note he defended WOS and Fuba early on in the day and then advocated no lynch. (worst possible choice for town in my opinion, scum just shoots confirmed townies and were back to the same problem as before) But when WOS openly said he was going after mafia and claimed survivor, Oats immediately abandoned him, and didn't even consider Fuba... In other words Oats defended WOS along with Fuba because the ideal scum agenda was mislynch, when he saw mislynch was unlikely to happen he advocated no lynch. Finally when Fuba came under threat he said we should lynch WOS for sure , he said that because there was no other choice for scum... How is it that his agenda just happens to so perfectly line up with mafias (Assuming Fuba is scum, pretty darn certain, which well know by the end of the day.)? Kk, I said it, the box is open. I'm out. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:21 Vivax wrote: It's mind boggling. Marv: "WoS is scum cause shooting me is so bad he can't be town." WoS: "Sup I only told you a lot of bullshit" Marv: "Oh nice well guess I can believe that from you let's go for fuba" Ignore Marv, focus on WOS, whats his best move? Scum are most likely after him because he is the most powerful role in the game. If WOS claims survivor thats gg for him, scum shoots him and no one can stop the bullet. That or town lynches him because they cant find actual scum. Either way hes essentially giving away the game. He has to fake claim in a manner that can both appease town and frighten scum. His only option is to claim the last blue. This works for him against scum because scum have to worry about the survivor still being out there, and potentially protecting him at night because hes a blue. This also is the only way he can appease town without getting into a direct conflict of identity. Hes in an impossible situation and he has to make the only move left available to him. Survivor simply cannot claim survivor in this setup. Scum on the other hand would want to claim survivor, because they dont need to worry about other scum, they just have to survive a town that needs to lynch scum today. The role of survivor is perfect for them. Also the above you've posted is incredibly diminishing of what went down. I posted a case and after talking about it I got Marv to agree after we went back and forth for a while. WOS did not convince him, I painstakingly did. Furthermore why would scum claim survivor if they had fake roles? They wouldn't, they're are no fake roles in this game therefore Marv is not scum. And those who claimed the last vanilla town roles deserve some attention. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:42 Vivax wrote: Of course marv agrees on switching. WoS is his fucking scumbuddy Stop talking about Marv, focus on WOS. Adress my argument with something other than your gut. Your the only confirmed town player in the game, I need you on this ) : trust me, worst case scenario we go 4 3 vs scum tomorrow. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:44 Vivax wrote: Marv said survivor shouldn't get lynched D1 TO ME. He agrees with you on claiming survivor being terrible for survivor??? Scum are after survivor because of the setup, not town, survivor is the only one who can fuck with them right now aside from Lazer and hes questionable. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:51 Vivax wrote: There is no Hitler, marv claimed miller, lazer claimed cop, WoS picked the last remaining role and claimed a roleblock. See you in fucking postgame. If you need to find scum, read my posts and Rayn's, the guys who scum chose to shot. Holy shit. How do you know theyres no hitler... and WOS claimed the role because he had no choice as survivor, it would be a terrible claim as scum. Furthermore scum might shoot active townies BECAUSE they're on the wrong track, make it look like they died closing in on scum. Also if we lynch survivor today were 4 3 tomorrow. Why giving up so soon? | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote: Claimed cop, claimed miller alive. Cop not roleblocked. I'm the only guy pushing marv and Lazer. Where is scum agreeing with my theory if they did that shit to frame them? I still think Lazer might be scum, well see based on his day 3 read, also they're are no fake claims in this game. Which means Marv took a 50 50 chance in a semi open setup if hes scum, which is something I think we need to let go of. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Wos will die tomorrow if survivor flips on Fuba, one is scum one is survivor. We go 4 3 tomorrow, gg is not on the line. WOS's actions are more indicative of struggling survivor than Fuba's so we lynch him first. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Also then why didn't he claim survivor first? Survivor is incredibly unlikely to be lynched today because kp is at stake, it's also seemingly the least likely role to be in the game. Claiming final role blocked blue of all roles is a terribly risky idea for scum that throws them into the fire, when WOS was not at all target number one going into day 2. On the other hand it's the best a survivor can do in this impossible situation role claim situation. It is not an option for them to claim survivor because if somehow we dont mislynch today survivor gets shot tonight because hes a guaranteed hit and killing him effectively makes kps unblockable. If we do successfully lynch today, scum MUST kill survivor because he will lean town since were winning. Again, your all assuming survivor plays like town OR scum. He is neither. He has to account for all possibilities or hes pretty much just flipping a coin. Lastly Vivax, Jar Jar, Stop expecting less of your fellow players, your theory requires that both WOS and Fuba are imbeciles, when neither of them are, and that Marv and Lazer have taken insane risks just to survive this long. I dont believe the picture your painting Vivax because it requires me to take a leap of faith on your behalf, we did that yesterday with Marv, remember how that turned out? | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe. Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon. | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:29 JarJarDrinks wrote: I threw it away after your claim. Just like you threw your case against me out after my claim. Fair enough, but you never said sorry ) : Do you disagree that it would be incredibly shortsighted of survivor to claim his own role in this game? Especially considering were not sure who scum actually are? To assume scum would win this cycle? Do you think a scum whose was maybe 4th or 5th on everyones list would take on a role in which they were the last to claim blue and they were somehow role blocked, keeping in mind one of the four blues is confirmed, the other claimed first, and the last is a revenge townie who town can lynch in case of lylo? WHY WOULD SCUM AGREE TO THROW ONE OF THEYRE OWN TO THE WOLVES LIKE THAT. Especially when they can claim survivor instead. | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote: So? Are people interested in what I have to say or not? I am ( : and currently majority is on Fuba, so so say away. | ||
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Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him. | ||
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On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. Dont lie to me WOS, I'm pretty sure you were just trying to not piss us scum off even more XD thats fine, but It doesn't seem likely. Mafia must hate you right now. | ||
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On July 04 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: mafia hate WoS for what? Fuba doesnt have the righteous anger of someone who got fake counterclaimed. Maifa hate WOS because he just took away Lazer and Jar Jars suit of impervious "townie" armour. No one is clean now except WOS, provided Fuba flips scum, Marv, who called at the start and who should be treated as immune to all this fake claim business, and Vivax who blocked a shot. | ||
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I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure. Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though. it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess. Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying- "nothing to see here fellow human". I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must. I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game. | ||
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On July 04 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol like I want scum looking for more reasons to kill me. I'll just be an innocent bystander for a while, how about that? My god WOS, you know what this means? You've given me the greatest gift of all! I CAN GO BACK TO MY JAR JAR READ!!! | ||
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On July 04 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: dont give VT's rolenames next time? Lol. postgame. Anyway. What do you think of stutters gumshoe and WoS? Who are you asking this question to 0_0, me? sorry the wordings just a bit confusing. So as I mentioned before, if we assume Marv, WOS and Vivax are confirmed, that leaves 5 suspects (I'm not including Gumshoe cause I'm a bit biased about him) Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum. Oats=you, I'm reading townie / : but for the life of me I dont know why. Why would you say no lynch XD ? Dont answer that because scum would never propose that, suffice to say your pretty green to me. =Townie Solstice = meh, leaning null I guess? Like theres never really an agenda with his posts, but he doesnt exactly hard contribute. Could easily be scum =Null-scum Lazer = Lazer as scum really depends on if your more willing to believe they're is as many fake blue claims as they're are actual blues, or if your more willing to believe that they're are three blues. I'm leaning townie because he sheeped against Jar Jar early on and my read against him is pretty strong, he also contributed to discussion alot at intervals, and like Rayne I dont think they're would be a miller (Marv confirmed) without a detective. Could be easily wrong about him= null-town Stutters. My blind spot. Everyone calls him scummy, dont look at him much because he feels like such a buss. Honestly dont know. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:05 mkfuba07 wrote: So both of us stole survivor? How 'bout that. Hes survivor, when you saw survivor was untaken you took it, because the alternative was miller claim, which is terrible. You claiming Survivor was not a god send to him, him leaving survivor open was the godsend to you. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before. No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:01 mkfuba07 wrote: Im ignoring the middle part of this thread because it's a great big ball of whine and Wifom. This is fascinating though. Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum. [quote]The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation. You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean this is actually a reason I don't believe WoS. The game pausing is not when the new roles were sent out according to him. That was some other issue I guess? He apparently received his fakeclaim sometime during the nightphase. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. Sorry, where did you get this info about night phase? How would you know that? He didn't say anything even remotely like that. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:24 gumshoe wrote: You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all. Ebwop, the second paragraph is me addressing your change of opinion on role claims. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here? Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info. Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you? | ||
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I apologize ) : that was not nice. I dont actually know what you are, but the company you seem to keep is somewhat alarming. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after. Then he posted this too Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. I posted this once already, it's on page 84. Dont make me post it again. Also I highly doubt the big kerfuffle had to do with anything other than the claims. Mass claim is the big balance problem with this setup, also I grok requested pms from everyone. The only thing worthy of breaking the game and needing a pause would be Dandel forgetting fake claims. Now does this mean that your scum? No, but it means your claim is no longer bullet proof and neither is Lazers. I would apreciate if you stop treating is as such. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying? And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim? I'm saying it's like blue hunting. For better or worse WOS is pretty much our blue right now. Also he knows info on other roles, not whose scum exactly. Furthermore why screw scum even more? | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying? And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim? And I'm not discussing it with you anymore, scum could benefit from such knowledge. | ||
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Because he clearly had a fucking safe claim? My god, how can you not see that? I think he *did* have the vigi fakeclaim, but it wasn't turning out as expected, so he jumped on me. Yes, surprisingly scum can tell the truth, especially when the truth is obvious. Ok, I meant to go to sleep, I also meant to be nice to you seeing as your situation sucked. But wtf is this if he so clearly had a scum claim. Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum. To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum. The first quote proves you had all the information then that you have now, you were aware of WOS's claim to vig. The second has you believing they're are no fake claims. The only thing thats changed since then is that your claim is now at odds now with WOS (WOS's post means nothing to you seeing as you should be of the opinion that everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and no matter how much you try you will not convince anyone that scum would receive fake claims while third party wouldn't), your ass on the line is the sole reason for this grotesque flip flop. Your finding us stupid is essentially like a scumy looking townie calling everyone bad for not realizing that they're actually town, a fact only they know because of just how terrible they are. Except your not a bad townie, your godawful scum. Get the fuck out of here, you wanna ad homonym me on a hypocritical basis I will in tern bury you verbally and laugh as red scum blood soaks through the softly sifted dirt to a bright green surface world upon which a parade is held by town in celebration of your death, and no not in the Irish way that involves celebrating someones amazing life, I mean a ding dong the witch is dead sort of celebration. I am utterly done talking to you, see you at the flip. Lastly I just want to say if third party DOESNT have a secret role, then one extra setup role is just sitting they're belonging to no one, dangling in mid air. OCD says nope. | ||
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On July 04 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Naw man, you can jail yourself. How does that not break universe XD I looked jail keeper up before hand and the wiki or whatever states jail keeper cant defend himself, because hed just block his own ability. If thats ain't the case here I guess Igrok and tl are just gangsta like that. Heres the link. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper | ||
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On July 04 2013 21:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim. I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them? So your proposing that WOS forced himself into a position in which he or his buddy gets shot, with 2 kp on the line? Nah brah, one is survivor one is scum. Also you need to accept that yours and Lazers claims are no longer safe, likewise neither is mine or anyone else's. Yes the massclaim problem in thread came up AFTER the pause, but do you really think Igrock would not forsee such an obvious problem? Do you think mafia wouldn't as well and wouldn't complain about it? See im skeptical whenever someones theory requires a great deal of stupidity on the part of several people. Yes the pause could have been about something else, was it likely about anything else? No. Similarly yes you do look scum, is it possible your not scum? Of course, but your no longer getting a free ride based on your claim, which in all likely hood means nothing. . If you wanna argue that your town based on your own merit than feel free. But stop cititing WOS (falsely might I add as you still havent adressed his addendum) and time stamps when we only know one thing. They're was a pause before everyone but Marv revealed. The game was unpaused leading us to believe the problem had been solved. Several hours later you claimed, several hours after that so did Lazer. Once Fuba flips we will know once and for all if they're are fake claims in this game. Also how do you know he got his pm in the night phase? He never said that, how the hell would you know anything about that? Also I dont care about whatever other info WOS or scum received, I care about lynching scum, you should too. Vote Fuba. | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Gumshoe, answer me this: Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're. The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor. | ||
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Though to be honest, Fuba's miller claim is pretty atrocious but I would argue thats just because of the way the game went down, he would have a much better chance had he received his claim from the start. Objectively Vet is worse because a) you need to try to not look blue or reveal before night 1 or town gets suspicious of why your endangering your own one shot and b) after night one you need to explain why you didn't shoot or why you were role blocked when town had a clear suspect and you were one of the least likely people to be read as blue because day 1 you were trying to not be blue XD. | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose? I seriously could not care less. Any information that we reveal here scum in tern will posses. I rather we both be in the dark, let them shit they're pants, Wos's info is no threat to us. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Again, I've bugged the everloving shit out of iGrok this game, so you're welcome to ask him what and how I can or can't disclose to you guys in more detail. (I was almost modkilled already I think.) I will gladly answer if I get the ok from him. Yeah I think alot of what you've gone into is pretty unfair for scum XD dont get modkilled, we could use the vote. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm curious though how you're taking it from the angle of a 'threat' rather than a boon/good thing. Weird mentality. It's tied up with my read on Jar Jar, I didn't like that he was pressing the matter, makes me think scum would really like to know what exactly WOS got. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes its you marv, mostly because if WoS couldve disclosed ANYTHING else, he wouldve done it. JJD. In a game where the survivor has a proc. If he claims, he is really really likely to get shot in the event of a game where scum arent losing. So when WoS has to claim, he loses. Anyway, I dont think it matters that much that scum knows which blues town has. So if I were hosting, I wouldve probably given mafia fakeclaims that were definitely true so town cant break the game. And igrok has hosted longer than me. SO THEREFORE, we should stop predicting host's actions and play the fucking game without thinking of the likelyhood of fakeclaims and no fakeclaims and JUST, in terms of which claim, Fuba's or WoS' is more believable. WoS for me by far. Fuba gives no shits that WoS' claimed his role. ( : | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lots of words that pretty much equate to the same thing Oats said. Here's my response: Oats is sheeping me right now : P, his opinion is a result of mine that was formed a while back that included ALL THE WORDS. Your basically saying meh to my argument, which is fine, everyone whose opinion I care about ( except Vivax ) : ) agrees with me. So I'm done saying the same thing over and over. Your not convincing anyone Fuba isn't scum, though I'm not sure if thats what your even trying to do. All this will accomplish is make it really really easy tomorrow to lynch you. Also wheres Lazer monkey? | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Same question for you gumshoe: Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up? I think hes had a fake claim since the pause, so have scum. I think hes shoddy about the details, on 180ing and what not, because hes the walking the fine line of not pissing off town and not pissing off scum. He COULD NOT claim before the mass claim, because his fake was vig. He could assume that every other scum player had a valid claim, which means he would be unable of claiming anything other than vig with out pissing someone off. If a scum is lynched as a direct result of WOS's actions you can be sure they'll regard him as just any other hyper powered townie, which is why I feel he dies tonight. Furthermore he could not claim before the mass claim because his role was vig, if he does claim then town gets on his case and hes either considered scum or hes outed. The fact that you find inconsistencies in his posting is not wrong, because he has no obligation to tell the truth, town is unlikely to lynch him so long as scum are on the table. His only threat is getting rbed and shot tonight. | ||
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On July 05 2013 06:24 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: Like I really hope you understand that argument doesn't even make even the slightest sense. Have you never seen someone just lose hope when they think they are about to get lynched? Or just went AFK? Oh, to answer you question, WOS claimed Rb because A) he had to, as his fake claim was vig anyways (probally no matter what) and for reasons I've gone on at length about he cant claim any other role because he risks pissing off scum or town directly, and makes his chances of losing 50 50, also he cant claim survivor because scum might kill him to make they're kps unblockable, or town might lynch him because they dont know whose scum. If you think scum or town wouldn't thats fine, WOS on the other hand decided to try and account for all possibilities seeing as he couldn't know what scum or town was going to do. B) he was trying to insinuate the existence of a survivor by claiming a role block, meaning he was protected/roleblocked by actual Landa. Scum would have to assume Landa might exist, owned a fake claim seeing as they got some too, was still out there supposedly protecting blues and was in particular WOS's guardian angel. Even if scum still doesn't buy it they see that hes sowing descent among blues and realize hes no threat. The plan came appart when town wouldn't believe it, which is what happened because it was a plan tailored to appease scum above all. Lastly allow me to make this clear, scums agenda is that of trying to survive the day with three members intact. Claiming survivor is ideal for this purpose because town needs to lynch scum. Alternatively 3rd p admitting himself is pretty much just him handing over the game. Doesn't matter to him if he dies today, tonight or tomorrow, if hes dead at all hes done. And If he wins it's not because of his own play. | ||
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On July 05 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Dick-analysis theory confirmed (mostly). Dont you go taking all the credit now : P. Kk, so this effectively confirms Marv's innocence, by extension it confirms Lazer's probably as in why miller if no cop ect ect. Also I really doubt Oats is scum, his actions today just did not fit if he is. Wos is third party, Vivax soaked up a shot. Cant comment on Gumshoe, biased about him. This leaves a pool of three players. Jar Jar, who strongly opposed todays list, and whose claim (the only reasons we let him go day 1) now means nothing( I wanna kill him first in case you cant tell XD). Stutters, who just went along with it. Just like hes done all game long. and Solstice who flip flopped until it looked like town was gonna secure the lynch on scum. I propose 2 out of the three of these players has to be scum. The only other player who really could be scum is Lazer, but I doubt it as I said before. | ||
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On July 05 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote: Pretty sure I've been pretty effusive towards you already, you greedy bastard. I'm not willing to extend your veil of 'confirmedness' over nearly so many people. s0lstice and JJD are looking the worst to me now, just on feels. JJD completely disappeared after arguing at the lynch, and after I posed him the dick-move analysis question; he couldn't answer it, and he couldn't bullshit because he played mafia with WoS. s0lstice just hasn't been producing the level of effort and analysis that I expect from him (see Les Mis for comparison) XD Sorry, couldn't have done it without ya : P The two I'm extending a townie vibe out to are Lazer and Oats. Though they're are no guaranteed facts as to why, Oats really cant be scum. His agenda day 2 was utterly different from that of maintaining two kp. In fact if he was scum, when I proposed killing myself to get at WOS (forgive me, he was totally bullshiiting at the time and we didn't know survivor or fake roles were in game) he was totally off put by the idea. If he was scum he would have pushed it at least a little, seeing as it would've been gg for town. He also advocated no lynch... you yourself said that was ridic for scum and I agree. Plus we probably wouldn't have been able to lynch Fuba without him, and he was leaning WOS pretty much just a little while ago. Oats is def town. As for Lazer, your miller man, you have no reason to doubt his claim XD It would also mean role blockers would only be able to roleblock each others role blocks... well know better after Lazer's night 2 read but pretty sure Igrock wouldn't only put reactionary blue roles into the game and have half the blues be fake. Plus his overall scumminess is meh in contrast with Jar Jar. So yeah, back to the three. | ||
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On July 05 2013 07:43 Vivax wrote: Why did you bus him though. Gotta take a better look at it. Lazer + marv is still entirely possible. He bussed him because I convinced him. Or do you feel that you and Marv are the only people in this game capable of affecting it's outcome? Why are you stretching so godamm far? Why overcomplicate the narrative? Scum would try and keep 2kp and not buss one of they're own unless absolutely necessary. Period. Stop trying to make scum Marv happen, it's not going to happen. Also as a note to everyone, I'm pretty darn set on Jar Jar, he was my strongest early read and you all know how one can be about they're first true love, but I really dont want to be Vivax, so I'll try and look at everyone else including Lazer and I'm still open to a case in Jar Jar's defence. Unless it's comes from him : P. That said I'm confident that between Solstice and Jar Jar, one has to be scum. Btw we are still effectively in Lylo T_T . | ||
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On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. So I press him here on what Jar Jars talking about, he ends up coming off somewhere in the middle by the end. My honest opinion is that hes trying to cover for scum so that they dont shoot him. Again, why make things easy on any paticular side? He only helped us today because it's his ass on the line. They'res only one thing pretty much for certain. The fake claims were a result of the pause. Nothing else would warrant a pause. Night 2 began 24 hours after the pause. WOS claims he got his role later in the day, not a day later. Also Jar Jar's claim occurred a while before night 2. Jar Jar would have us believe Igrock, survivor and scum did not foresee the issue of mass claims. I find that requires me to believe extraordinarily unflattering things about my fellow players and our majestic overlord. Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor. | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sounds like a good plan. So when you took your vote off of me originally, I assume it's because you believed my claim. So why don't you believe it now? Did something change your mind? ................I took my vote off you because you claimed before we knew they're were fake claims in the game........................ | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote: Seems reasonably likely to me scum got their fakeclaims at the start to be honest. "But marv!" I hear you say. "You have no basis for saying that! Why scum and not survivor?" Well I have first-hand experience as a host with mucking up giving claims slightly. Newbie XXX I think. In any case, I gave scum the VT role PM at the start, but forgot to give it to the blues until halfway through Day 1 (sound familiar? xD). Precedent for scum getting things in a timely manner and other people not :p Fine then, that still doesn't change Jar Jar's situation. Judge him based on his actions, not the claim, sadly I'm not gonna be the one to make the case. Scum will just scream confirmation bias and Wifom from the hills. I'll pick someone else(more than one scum after all) and present my findings before night ends. Though I doubt scum will waste role block and shot on me. | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:59 WaveofShadow wrote: iGrok should be counted as a player in this game for the amount he gets referenced. ##Vote: iGrok I thought you were trying not to get mod killed. Also it's night time dummy, we can't vote yet : P | ||
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On July 05 2013 09:08 marvellosity wrote: This is the silliest thing you've written so far this game, gumshoe. There's currently 2 scum and 7 not-scum, for starters. If you have a good case to make, then make it. Still not as silly as half the things vixax has said : P besides, I'm confident I can find the other scum player and If one ignores the claim, it's extraordinarily easy for any town player to make a case against Jar Jar,you don't need me for that. You have my vote against him if you want it, aside from that I say his claim argument is utter bullshit, look strictly at his posting his accusations and his motives and you'll pretty much just see what I see, a scum version of Oats. | ||
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On July 06 2013 05:38 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Zappadappa Of course! It makes sense now! it was Roger all along! Totally sheeping Marv on this one. ##:Vote Zappadappa | ||
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On July 06 2013 05:38 kitaman27 wrote: HI ROGER! Wow Kita, just wow, do you know how rude it is to use a mafia game as your own personal chat? Apologize to us all. Right now. Except to Jar Jar, hes scum and probably benefited from your little distraction. In fact how much is he paying you? I'll double it if you promise to just stay out of thread. Oh and you need to doubly make amends to Roger, he was making a brilliant case before you so rudely interrupted. In fact ##Vote: Kitaman27 | ||
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On July 06 2013 05:53 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe, do me a favour - go read the back and forth (or whatever it was) that Stutters and fuba had. It doesn't feel like mafia on mafia to me. Agree/disagree? Already done. Agree. It's not. Comparatively Stutters is Jar Jars number one town read for 90 percent of the game. Why XD? Stutters does not recicporcate. In fact Stutters is not scum period. Well I would still be for JJD but Jesus Fuba either needs to explain or die. Why can't you get a read on me? Comparing me to someone with a different playstyle while softing I'm scummy but starting I'm town isn't going to cut it. Where's your usual good analysis? Him condemning a confirmed scum player over a suspicious player? Yeah, not scum. All game long hes been suspicious of Fuba and JJd. Why is JJD so forgiving and unmentioning of him when he pretty much made me his number on target for attacking him? Stutters kept up his case long after I quit as well / : JJD is sheeping Stutters cause he knows hes a likely to be lynched townie. He was just waiting for the flip to say I told you so. | ||
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Also this out of Jar Jar. I'm assuming I die for sure. W/ the mass claim looming they can't leave me alive because I'm close to confirmed town as well as uncounterable @ this point. not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die: gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt. s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing WaveofShadow - raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow. mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Stutters695 - Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points I think that's everyone. Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment. man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs. This is a list to determine reveal order so that towns suspicious suspects cant weasel into a leftover role. Why is Sutters, the source of much controversy to say the least, effectively the most townie person here aside from Vivax!? Or rather the person we would pretty much LEAST benefit from an earlier reveal of his role? Also I feel this is important to note no matter how obvius, a major component of feeling someones towny is the that they agree with you. True I might feel that Vivax is town, but thats only because of his veteran block, or Oats is town even when we disagree, because hes just too godamm bullish at times to be scumXD(again, no hate, couldnt have done anything without your help before : P), but even then I dont find them as townie as Marv. Because competent players who agree with you for legitimate reasons that end up validating themselves (in the case of Fubas lynch) are the indication that you are on the right path. Comparatively JJ's one sided love of Stutters bears no indications of this fundamental philosophy of a townie. He doesnt seem to care that his near number one town read has totally different views than him(going so far as to accuse him). He repeats this odd trend at least one more here and probally more but meh. Well, I did mention that I'm now leaning town on rayne based on his recent postings. I do happen to disagree w/ almost all of his reads though. Lazer I'm not sure of. I don't think that there'd be more than 1 scum piling on me and I have a strong scumread on gumshoe. I think you're town. I think you've made decent cases that have actual substance. It's fine to find someone townie if you think theyre lynch bait or something, but to totally disregard they're views as well? Hes not looking for fellow townies or convincing theories, hes looking for a way to make himself look townie by association or via flip postmortem. Also what ever happened to his Solstice read? He pushed it a bit at the start then kept in the rear view mirror all game long. Then never brought it up again after night ones end. He has not once voted for Solstice this game, and for the last half of it he has not even mentioned him. His supposed number two scum read... Look, if nothing else think of it this way. Jar Jar has been wrong about everything and everyone all game long. Rayne= flip flopped a bunch, final say was - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow. scummy pretty much. He was wrong. Fuba: wrong. Wos: Wrong. Me: Wrong. Marv: Wrong. If you have any faith in Jar Jar as a player, please please for the love of all that is good, give him your vote of confidence. In fact on the off chance that I believed Jar Jar was town, I would totally vote for Stutters. Seeing as it would be a shame for Jar Jar to miss out on the chance for a"perfect" game. | ||
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Also Solstice has mentioned JJ once this game. I'm very frustrated in regards to you JJ. I feel like the combination of you suspecting me for bad reasons and misreading you in Les Mis is really fucking with me. I think the wise thing is to wait and see a bit. I definitely need to read gumshoe. I haven't had time to look hard at his filter after a feel based town read, so he's a bit of a blindspot for me. Basicaly gives JJ the benefit of the doubt. Then pretty much agrees with him about me? Wierd. Aside from Stutters, I'm getting suspicious of JarJar because meta. In Les Mis, as scum, he has a laser focus on BH In one of his newb games, as scum, he has a laser focus on jkirby. In Roulette, as town, he pushes Oats, but also expresses suspicions towards WoS and Sentinel. In another newb game, as town, he goes after TheRavensName, and also Frogron almost equally. Links to these games are in this spoiler, have a look: + Show Spoiler + I'm typically not a fan of including newb games in a meta argument, but it's definitely enough to make me nervous of JarJar. I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why. Basically says the best argument here against Jar Jar is meta... Which is wrong. AND THATS IT. Solstice has not mentioned Jar Jar for the last 60 percent of the game. | ||
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Also brain exercice! Jar Jar, why are Stutters and Solstice scum. Solstice why are Jar and Stutters scum. Stutters you made your point : P your free to go. Where are Solstice and Jar Jar anyways / : hope they havent given up that easy. | ||
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On July 06 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not about whether he's right or wrong. It's why he's so damn sure of himself when there's no reason to be. Also I'm taking guesses right now as to what I ended up deciding to do last night. Any takers? You dont matter. And Your going to lose tonight because scum are will vendetta shoot you ) : and your the doctor XD so yeah | ||
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On July 06 2013 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not totally convinced in the JJD case guys. Especially combined with solstice. Was it a bus? Im inclined to think differently, therefore solstice and JJD arent on the scum team together. Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. this leaves, jar jar, solstice, stutters. Of the three solstice jar jar just makes the most sense. Stutters isnt scum going by his actions and his part in the near day 1 fuba lunch. If you want you can try and convince me why you are scum(your the only not cleared by common sense, i read you as town because of your actions) Otherwise this is in the bag. Dont over complicate it over a feeling. | ||
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On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: hehe. man mass claims break the game. I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. ##vote JJD Could also be that wos rbed the scum player who had the rb. Might be what he was talking about. Oh and yeah mass claims are a bit op but I think this scum team is pretty mediocre to be honest. | ||
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On July 06 2013 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: Need to catch up and stuff but want to comment on some things first: Care to give any reasons for why you're town? So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK? Ok jar jar, seeing as I'm the only read they're you have a problem with, I'm going to make this very easy on for you, convince we why solstice is scum(he's one of your biggest scum reads, remember?). I can't speak for the rest of town, but if you make a good case, I'll cast my vote on him. Then the following day town can lynch me, if I'm scum hooray, town wins, if I'm not, I take you with me, town wins anyways. If you choose to abandon your solstice read or choose to now think stutters is scum when you were his defender for ages, then I need you to admit you've been wrong for 90 percent of this game. In which case I hope you don't expect anyone to still listen you even on the off chance that you do actually prove to be the worst townie in tl history. | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: Because I don't know right now so I'm focusing on what I do know and I'm proving my innocence. But I am still looking into it. Apparently you don't know who's scum either since you're voting for a townie. Stutter last post is pretty strange. Like shouldn't he be thinking in terms of there being another scummie in the game that faked a claim? WHy would he say that miller was the only option? And Marv, please tell me the flaw in my logic above. Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? Welp, you've done it. You've taken your read off Solstice for no good reason and you've reneged on Stutters, pretty much like I was sure you would. If your actually a townie you need to admit that your a terrible player, right now. Also I never said Stutters was your scum buddy, that dude hates you and Fuba, I think you knew he was town, and made it clear you knew so that when he flipped, not the least likely possibility, you could let everyone know just how right you were. In fact you could really use the Stutters flip right about now, it would make you correct about something at least. It'd be like giving a pool noodle to a man drowning in the middle of the ocean, but still better than nothing right?. Whatever though, lets go through it. You havent mentioned Oats so we can leave him out. Who are the potential scum teams? Me and WOS? My starting suspicion was WOS day 2 in case you forgot, are you saying I set out on day 2 to try and make sure one of my buddies got lynched? Yeah nope. How about Wos and stutters? Same thing, why work so hard to lynch a teamate. WOS and Solstice? Maybe, it's the only one that COULD work. But why then havent you looked into him? He and you were the only non confirmed who didn't agree with my theory yesterday. Sol eventually came around but only after the wagon gotta rollin. So here we are, back to my deal. Convince me why SOL is the better lynch than you. You wont of course, because hes your scum buddy, you have no where left to turn Jar Jar, they're isn't an endless pool of fishy players you can reach into in hopes of taking the focus off you and your buddy. Were a few fish in a barrel at this point, and two are marked red. You can keep looking for inconsistencies, or technicalities, but when you've supposedly been wrong about so much all the time why should we listen to you at all? "Because I'm town guys! Cmon!" just isn't going to cut it. Now unless your willing to make the case against Solstice (and I dont understand why you wouldn't as town, hes looked scummy to us and you) I hate to say it Jar Jar but... | ||
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On July 07 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why are you ignoring my question? Same question to everyone else. a) Fuba received the miller claim, and didn't want to throw himself into the fire so early in the game, which ended up working because Vayne was lynched, not him. b) Scum only received they're claims after the pause. In which case Fuba claiming miller would've looked terrible. c)Dude was super afk d)combination of the above. This at the least is plausible. It does not fly in the face of reason considering the circumstances of this game. Am I right 100 percent? No, but neither are you. Therefore we treat claims as null. Make a case based on peoples posting and relation to Fuba. Back to the question then, why should we lynch Solstice instead of you. | ||
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Hey WOS, whats the first thing your gonna to do if you manage to avoid getting shot, lynched, or modkilled before the end of this game? Also Jar Jar. May I please have a case on why Solstice is scum? | ||
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On July 07 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah I meant to answer that. Probably do a little jig and click my heels together? Are you also gonna take off that handsome-lookin' S.S. uniform of yours? | ||
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On July 07 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I wouldn't call something like that the 'best' move. I'm sure there are some games where people have gone all YOLOscum and done something incredibly derpy to try and make big plays but as far as I can tell every game I've ever been in scum have made the 'right' moves. Giving up essentially the only night scum had 2KP to 'confirm' Vivax as vet is possible, but EXTREMELY unlikely. Would probably require a marv/vivax scumteam for that to happen which would be one hell of an epic win for them. I wouldn't follow that train of thought if I were town though, but I'm not so it's not like it REALLY matters to me if that's true or not. I dont even remotely think Vivax is scum, I just wonder if they're are any games where scum won because of a move like that. | ||
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I didn't, he did day 1. I'm just curios why he abandoned his number 2 read. Especially when solstice would work well with most of his reads. | ||
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On July 07 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote: The point is, you're saying "make a case on s0lstice". No, he should make his case on whoever he pleases. Stop predicting what he should or shouldn't do, and just let him do it. Go bother Wos. | ||
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On July 07 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote: The point is, you're saying "make a case on s0lstice". No, he should make his case on whoever he pleases. Stop predicting what he should or shouldn't do, and just let him do it. Actually, even better, make a case against IGROK. | ||
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On July 07 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote: Calm down dear. Dont fuck with me Marv, I'm a vengeful townie AND a jewish lady. | ||
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On July 07 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote: Calm down dear. Also how DARE you insinuate that I shouldn't get in the way of someone else's enjoyment of the game?! And since you were too lazy to make the case against Igrok I went ahead and did it. So I'm only on page 79 of lotr mafia, but theres no way Igrok is balrog, it's just so convenient that gandalf was shot the night before AND hes willing to safeguard the ring for us. Cause that what would mean if we gave it to him, scum could never get it off without our help, thats game breaking right there. Also everyone knows LOTR is about good vs evil, there aint no game of thrones shit wherein each character sometimes does the right thing for the wrong reasons and vice versa, Curu would have to blatantly disregard the major themes of the books to even consider putting a neutral party in. Also giving the ring to anyone other than frodo is idiotic. The ring is all corrupting, even if IGROK means what he says now, the ring will likely turn him into scum within one day and night cycle. Thats it for now, yeah maybe Curu might not have any respect for the source material, and yeah Igrok might be the luckiest third party ever to have had scum kill gandalf for him. But in an all likely hood this is a desperate scum player taking an insane gamble, we should treat it as such unless Igrok gives us a real reason no to. | ||
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On July 08 2013 00:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol if 2 of JJD/Stutters/Solstice aren't scum I think it might be gg town. If we successfully lynch scum tomorrow, we can mislynch the following day, seeing as you'll play the quickest path to victory and vote with us if they're is only one scum left. If we mislynch tomorrow then ya, gg town. Seriously unlikely that Jar Jar is town though. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:07 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe, I'm really worried about Oats' absence, he usually only does this when he's mafia. Need to check into what he did day 1 and 2. Oats is possibly scum. One of the four only possible suspects. I think it's safe to rule out stutters. But Oats may very well be hoodwinking us, and he showed alot of affinity for Jar Jar early on for no good reason. The reason I'm not worried is because I know that Jar Jar is scum, Sol is the iffie one. But if we mislynch day 2, then day 3 WOS will likely vote with us because thats his quickest path to victory. Course he could just troll us : P | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:19 marvellosity wrote: how are you quite so sure about JarJar? what makes you so sure? I need some reassurance :x XD Jar Jar has been wrong about every little thing this game. Hes has constantly been against towns objectives, and he abandoned his early read on SOl for virtually no reason. He is the only non confirmed who was against WOS yesterday, and hes just not this bad a player. He supported Fuba all throughout the game, suggesting he was a bad lynch several times and never actually put a vote on him, likewise Fuba was a fan of Jar Jars. Jar Jar gave Stutters his clean bill of townieness back when Stutters was totally null at best. Hes also been trying to convince us to focus only the buisness of claims, and why that technicality totally exonarates him. Whereas we have no idea how scum have received their fake claims, just that based off Fuba and WOs they do have them, so the only thing we can do is judge Jar Jar by his posting. Which is the last thing he wants. Also we Oats was a critical component of the wagon yesterday. Would've been hard to get it going without him especially because Vivax was being silly. Also if your worried about scum being too quiet, read the last page man. They're back in black, posting within an hour of one another as I mentioned so that they could actually have a dialogue meant to distance themselves from one another. Barring some major conspiracy, were doing just fine Marv. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Speaking of voting, what do you guys want me to do today? JJD? Yes. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:30 iGrok wrote: Answering a q: Mafia wins when they equal # of town. Survivors are not town. Therefore, should a 2-2-1 split happen and a vengeful townie was not shot (if one exists), the game will be over, scum victory. Ah, but if the vengeful townie is still in the game, we can still go through with the vote no? | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:36 marvellosity wrote: The bolded just isn't true, he was pushing for fuba on day 2 before the WoS shenannies. Oh well. In gumshoe I trust. because it looked like the only wagons @ the time were WoS, Lazer, and Vayne and I felt that was the best vote. The fuba thing just up and happened out of thin air. I think he's a bad lynch. OK. I just went back and I guess I missed it the first time. Yes that does look bad. I just feel like the votes moved to fuba so quick after Lazers claim that he had to be town. Meaning that one of the other potential wagons (WoS or Vayne) were probably scum. True starting day 2 he advocated the Fuba lynch... Hmmm So wanna lynch Solstice? One of them is scum, and the first lynch is all that matters. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Well whatever you guys decide try to give me a little notice as I'm popping in and out for the afternoon. Park your vote Jdd for now. Hmm Lazer was going to look at Jar Jar last night, lazer got shot. This implies two possibilities. 1: Scum did not have a role blocker. Hence they're hands were tied. 2:Were off, and scum shot Lazer instead of role blocking him to make it look like he was right with his check. Here are the potentital scum teams. Disregarding Stutters for the moment. Oats Jar. Buddied up early, Oats is now at odds late in the game with him. Not possible in my opinion, hes totally sheeping a Jar Jar lynch and that seems kinda fishy. Also Oats was instrumental in the Fuba lynch, he did more than just talk and he got me to back down from shooting myself to get WOS XD. Gonna say least likely. Oats Solstice. Virtually null on one another all game. Makes sense if scum Solstice Jar Jar. Harsh in the beginning, null in the middle, Harsh now. Makes sense if scum Solstice may in fact be the better lynch because while I dont read him to be as scummy as Jar Jar, He makes sense as a member of team Oats and team Jar Jar. | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:12 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously, like as soon as he got hit he checked out. I feel Vivax just felt really confident about Marv and Lazer, he kinda just fell apart along with that theory. | ||
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On July 08 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: Gonna run through Fubas filter to see if he was so kind as to leave us a slip on his partners. I feel like we're neglecting a fairly major resource there. iGroks post changes things quite a bit. I'll let you know what I think but I'm inclined to stick with JJD unless I spot something major. You I ran through that as well, I mostly did name runs though (ie click all than command find sol/Jar/Stutters/Oats/) Give it a thorough look and tell me if you spotted anything. | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:16 marvellosity wrote: I don't care what he was, if he's town he's actively helping to throw the game for town right now. Yep, cant deny that, to be honest though I'm happier having him not be here than constantly working against us. | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: Internet is down. Have to Phone post which I suck at. Yep. It mean we're at mylo right now and are about to lose the game after I get mislynched. The correct play is to lynch WOS unless people are 100% convinced I'm scum (which they can't be because I am town). But for whatever reason this town doesn't seem to care about roles and is about to lose the game. The only way we aren't @ mylo is if WOS is scum. The correct play is to lynch scum. You are scum and I'm not waiting any longer on your flip. Also there is no fuking way I'm going to listen to you brag post game about how you single handedly saved yourself moments away from getting lynched. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:37 Vivax wrote: Hi. Given the announcement of that rule we should kill the survivor. Gives us 3 extra days to figure out other scum. ##Unvote ##Vote WaveofShadow Also, we won't have to speculate whether he was scum or not anymore. No, if we kill survivor we just right into lylo or mylo whatever again. And we stay that way for the rest of the game. If we successfully lynch scum today, we can mislynch the following and be at 2 1 1. In which case WOS would vote with us because thats his quickest road to victory. Leaving him alive actually gives a buffer provided we dont fuck today up. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: He doesn't have to be scum, but he could be. Which means we autolynch him because if he is town he gets another shot. there'd be literally no upside to lynching someone else. Sure whatever. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:02 marvellosity wrote: There's actually pretty significant upsides to lynching WoS. The mylo/lylo thing The Oats disappearing act that I/we haven't had time to get to the bottom of Most importantly, the fact that s0lstice and JJD both seem to be pushing the idea that he's mafia, and if he flips survivor they're gonna have to sing a different tune. I guess? I just feel like they're making the only move they can. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd really prefer if you didn't lynch me you guys. I want to win too. I honestly don't see how it's going to help you all that much since you still have 2 scum to catch and you're not going to be any closer with me gone. If you mislynch today you don't lose, but if you get rid of me then you DO lose if you mislynch D4. I agree and I think it's a dick move after you helped us day 2. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: How did he do that pray tell? Made a choice between him and scum. Provided a more convincing narrative than Fuba. Revealed fake claims. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:17 marvellosity wrote: There's 5 of us here who could vote for anyone we chose who isn't here. Oats is gone. Vivax doesn't give a shit. Jar Jar if you switch to sol right now. I'm in. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: No, only WoS makes sense. You're terrible or scum. Marv, look how desperate gumshoe is getting. He's doing anything he can to keep the vote off WoS. They're both scum. 0_0 so you wont vote Sol? If not I'm staying on you. I'm not gonna wait 3 days to lose Marv and wind up in this exact some spot but in a considerably weaker position. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:21 Vivax wrote: Guys, guys listen. We should really be lynching marv trust me I love how in this super tense situation, Vivax felt the need to pop in just to say this XD. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: I don't want to hear this shit after the game. I've given tons of reasons why I'm not scum You have a chance to make a play that saves the game RISK FREE and you're not taking it. Literally, making this play when you're not 100% sure is absolutely retarded. I'm 100 percent sure. Your willingness to switch onto Sol whose not even one of your suspects anymore is bad. We are in Mylo, mislynch is death. The correct move would've been to tell me to shove it, and go after whoever you think is scum. As for Sol he said he found you fishy but put his read on stutters... who isn't even a part of this dialogue, and you both are the only two who think WOS is scum. Thats because you share the same agenda. I know Sol is scum as well, but honestly I want you out of here first. In other words. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote: nice time to say so basically s0lstice/oats/vivax aren't playing the game at all in the last 24-48 hours, it's all feeling incredibly pointless. Yeah ) : at least Jar Jar didn't go down without a fight. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:21 marvellosity wrote: must listen to gut more. sigh. Yeah I knew I tunneled too hard on Jar Jar, the dude did not make it easy though. So I'm assuming scum team is SOL, Oats. Or it's me WOS or whatever, who knows now. Point is, if survivor helps us tomorrow, it's gg for him, he gets shot the following night and Landa doesn't strike me as the martyr type. With two scum left he cant run the risk. That means Jar Jar was right. We have to vote WOS. Because no other lynch is possible at this point. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:28 Stutters695 wrote: I think my new strategy is to take my reads then do the opposite. I was so sure he was scum. Well the question is would the game end if WoS comes out and says he would stack scum's lynch target. If so we have to lynch him since he'd be scum by necessity. If not we pretty much have to stick with the plan and lynch s0l. Yes, yes it would. The question is though is WOS really survivor? I'm much more iffie about my reads now that Jar Jar flipped town. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I won't say anything yet, but say you're right. Why not help out? Why not? Town cant do anything to you if your neutral, scum will lead the game to a no lynch, because otherwise you can be pressured to vote with us. They'll back you up, you also wont need to worry about tonight, we ain't got no pocket vig. It's over if you say so and are who you say you are. If not then we lynch you tomorrow. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:36 marvellosity wrote: The bolded just isn't true, he was pushing for fuba on day 2 before the WoS shenannies. Oh well. In gumshoe I trust. T-T | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:43 Vivax wrote: Like really, gumshoe was the worst: "Hey dude we can lynch soemone who is guaranteed not town but let's lynch the guy we aren't sure about cause then derpderp." Say we had lynched WOS, wed be in lylo with two scum, and the question is, would we really have exonerated Jar Jar? I know I wouldn't have and I'd certainly have voted him before Oats. I still stand by the decision to lynch that day, looking back I think it was our only chance to win because it would've given us the mislynch we needed to get through Jar Jar. Solstice Oats is probably the scum team, if I or Marv or Jar Jar had actually parked on Sol then who knows where wed be today. | ||
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On July 09 2013 07:09 s0Lstice wrote: Go vote vivax please. hate to blackmail, but my partner is gonna kill you if you don't. let's win now kk? You were this close to death yesterday Sol, just want you to know that : P if Jar Jar had pushed harder on you I'm pretty sure I would've switched (at least I hope I would have XD) but thats beside the point. You played a good game, gg wp. Since it doesn't matter anymore, pray might I ask, is your partner Oats? Igrok, might I request we end the game? Even if WOS votes with us I think thats really unfair to scum and it would mean hes playing against his wincon. | ||
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On July 09 2013 07:55 Oatsmaster wrote: how is that playing against his wincon??? If he votes with us today. Scum shoots him tonight because they have no chance of winning. Course if he is scum, this is a ploy. We should vote Solstice. He just claimed. | ||
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On July 09 2013 07:56 Oatsmaster wrote: oh lol stutters first scumgame Oats, either WOS and SOl are scum or its gg. So park your vote on Sol if your town. | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:03 Oatsmaster wrote: bleh shouldve claimed scum earlier. loooool what a twisted reverse lylo situation that would've been XD | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:10 Oatsmaster wrote: wait wait what? Stutters why arent you voting for vivax? Because scum doesn't have to reassure scum. Better to keep everyone guessing if it really is gg. They'll switch onto Vivax before the end. That or WOS is scum. If thats the case we win. | ||
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For me it was between Sol and Jar day 3, the problem was scum deflected the lynch to jar jar Wos which was smart. Sutters played a fantastic scum game, did not suspect him till the end. | ||
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On July 09 2013 10:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It's possible but you guys were completely clueless. There is no way even had you guys lynched me you would have caught both solstice and stutters. I wasn't around then so I worked with what felt safest. It all worked out in the end for me anyway. I REALLY need to learn to stop being so paranoid though. They're was one clear road to victory, we lynch Sol day three, then we get afforded a mislynch. We lynch Jar Jar (I honestly dont think I could've avoided lynching Jar Jar) then it's between Oats and Stutters. From there it's 50 50. Really though I dont think town got outplayed hard, I do think I fucked town over with the tunnel on Jar Jar. I was just so pissed that he was still talking about lynching WOS. Meh, my bads all around. | ||
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On July 09 2013 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah its mylo all the way, we could not have mislynched anymore. I have no idea why you claimed blue, you were a possible shot. Why did you claim blue gumshoe. Cause Jar Jar built a case against me based on my reaction to the mass claim. Also say it goes like this. we lynched sol next day its 4 1 1 Following day we mislynch its 2 1 1. Survivor though votes with us because scum cant retaliate. The reason we were fucked is because with 2 scum, WOS goes down with them. Therefore he cant side with us. If it was 2 1 1 though he could and probably would have. | ||
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