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On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far.He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town. Its was like 'Miller claim please' 'im miller' 'k lets win game together marv' Does anyone else not see that something is wrong? I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him: On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: And here's the post in question:Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view. ##Vote: Stutters On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote: I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town?I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote: How is the post scummy though? Yes, It's a pretty dumb statement because like you said: It makes no sense to think that scum would know how many millers are in the game. Which means there's no way the that it could implicate rayn as scum. So if any thought was given to that post, stutters would realize that. I think the fact that stutters clearly made the post without giving it much thought makes him more likely to be town.this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote: my inbox is evergreen lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work. this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn. Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote: ...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy. Vivax- What are you doing here? Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it: Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious? Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit. | ||
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On June 30 2013 14:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah this is what I was saying. If Stutters meant it as an accusation, it wasn't well thought out. I'd think that if scum was about to accuse someone of being scummy, they would first ask themselves "Is this at all believable?"So you are saying as scum stutters wants to throw suspicion on Rayn for something that scum dont know. I dont think this is really all the believable | ||
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On June 30 2013 14:13 s0Lstice wrote: Sure. I think the reach on stutters has been discussed enough so I'll wont spend too much more time on that. But I'll say that you called it the scummiest post in the thread and I don't see how it was even a little scummy. Yea, or I'm town and am attacking stuff that looks scummy. Let's hear your explanation on how I'm 'reaching.' You go after Lazer simply because he he spent time talking about marvs miller claim. How is that at all scummy? That's what the main subject of the thread was. He wasn't the only one talking about it. You say that there was plenty of other stuff to talk about. But there really wasn't @ that point. The miller stuff was pretty much all that was discussed yet. You accuse Vivax of "Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here". He was just noting that marv hadn't posted anything since his original claim post. None of these things you mentioned seemed very scummy to me. | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:25 Oatsmaster wrote: I would guess yes to both of these. Though S0lstice is my my top scumread right now.JJD is rayn scum and stutters town? | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:15 s0Lstice wrote: I mean. What is he trying to say here? How is what stutters was saying no reason @ all as opposed to bad reasoning?If it could in no way implicate Rayn as scum, why did Stutters suggest Rayn is scum? Do townies suggest people are scum without considering the reason behind why they are doing so? Townies call people scum for BAD reasons, yes, but no townie does it without any reason at all. This is what scum do. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: So what if I was piggybacking off Oats's Rayne case? I happen to agree w/ it. Should I have not given my opinion about it instead? I wasn't attacking Lazer. I was saying that I found it odd that Rayn decided to call him a townread because I don't know why he thought that. I never said that Lazer was a scumread of mine. Just that I don't know why rayn would read him as town @ that point.Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence. His next "big" post attacks Solstice for commenting on the major matter at hand and for trying to pressure others. What really pisses me off though is this How is it not scum-hunting? It's a scum trait to not want to accuse people and to be afraid to give your opinion. He was going out of his way to let everyone know that he was gonna be accussing several people of being scummy. Like, just make your cases. I wasn't saying he was pompous at all. This is not scum hunting, this is him attacking Solstice's character, when all Sol has really done is try contribute his opinion on the miller incident(which he hadn't yet done) and try draw out responses while weeding out fluff. Also you dont even really accuse him of scum play, you effectively just say hes pompous, how is that scummy? | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:18 gumshoe wrote: Are you purposefully misconstruing what I'm saying here? I didn't say it was scummy to accuse people. I said it was scummy to announce that you're accusing people. Add to that the fact that all the things he accused people of were weak fluff cases and I don't know why you'd say that I wasn't scumhunting.0_0 so your saying he was trying to look not scummy by doing the thing that scum players dont do? Wifom much? | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote: Good point. I just didnt notice anything else scummy from you nor was I really looking. I only noticed it from rayn after I went back into his filter.JarJar, question for you. Rayn gave Lazer a townread as reaction to me doing the same. Why did you call Rayn out but not me? | ||
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I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. | ||
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On July 01 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Ugh, I really didn't see this before I post. I'm sure I'll be accused of sheeping you some more.I think that Rayn could be town | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote: Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie.Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote: No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question.My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. | ||
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On July 01 2013 12:00 s0Lstice wrote: Glad u asked I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why.  .pretty sure gumshoe is scum All gumshoe has done is look for miniscule things that he can label piggybacker/flip-flopper/etc... And he's calling people out a bunch because of activity issues just because they leave the thread for a bit. Look @ all of these posts: On June 30 2013 13:04 gumshoe wrote: My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure. On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play. The town move would be to stay in chat, confront accusations and attempt to contribute and redirect town discussion, which Rayne has done (albiet somewhat unsuccessfully considering everyone and they're mom wont let the miller thing drop for an hour even). On July 01 2013 05:02 gumshoe wrote: I also am not dropping the case on you not because your generaly inactive, but because of a certain period in which you were inactive, a stretch of time wherein we could of used you to clarify things, contribute and clear your name, instead you vanished at a critical moment and that felt to me like you were trying to regroup with scum and wait things out. Which worked, nobodies really mad at you anymore, so of course your here now eager to help. On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote: I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post?Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up  .Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier On June 30 2013 12:37 gumshoe wrote: Pretty much my reasoning a little whole ago XD but actively looking for miller as a bud isn't scummy, its neutral, I would rather see what stutters pops, because he's less of an asset. If he flips red I cant see Ryan being scum, if we blindly lynch Rayne and he's town that'll just suck. Basically I rather risk stutters before Ryane XD. And yes this game is about hunting scum, not doing risk assessment but Rayne looks suspicious because he's in to good a manufactured position and stutters looks suspicious because he's made a mistake. I find the latter usually more damming so I swing more scum on him at the moment and it doesn't hurt that were risking less. It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda. And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around. vote: gumshoe | ||
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On July 01 2013 17:03 Vivax wrote: Well, I did mention that I'm now leaning town on rayne based on his recent postings. I do happen to disagree w/ almost all of his reads though. Lazer I'm not sure of. I don't think that there'd be more than 1 scum piling on me and I have a strong scumread on gumshoe. I think you're town. I think you've made decent cases that have actual substance.This question is kinda old now but you left it unanswered. You didn't comment on the Rayn/Lazer/Me matter at all. New question: What happened to your s0lstice scumread? I still have a scumread on solstice. Just not as strong as gumshoe. Solstice hasn't really posted too much since I accused him. | ||
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On July 01 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please explain to me what you like about his posts. Is it just because I'm a scumread of yours? Assume that you know I'm gonna flip green and go back reread his filter and tell me everything I said about him isn't accurate. Look @ how he just jumps on me for flip-flopping simply because I said that you convinced me that you were now town.gumshoe: Definitely town. Has the best posts in thread atm. JarJarDrinks: I called Solstice out because I thought his scumhunting was bad and contrived. I made my case. What else should I have done to follow up on it? Calls out Solstice for scumhunting. Good job, that's his top scumread at that time. Doesn't follow up this suspicion in any way and is now voting for Gumshoe as an OMGUS. Hey JarJar How can you say it's just an OMGUS. Yes, the fact that he's voting for me is part of my case. I don't think that all 3 votes on me were townies. But did you read everything I wrote? The stuff about him jumping on stutters for leaving the thread? Implying that a scumbuddy alerted me to go post in the thread? These are scummy things to point out because they can't be argued against. Does anyone care to here what I was doing during the day yesterday when I was inactive? | ||
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On July 01 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So? It's day 1 and my read changed. It happens.JarJar: Because you are flip-flopping. Why do you think WoS is town? I guess I haven't thought much about WoS so I'm null atm. I'll go back and dive and get back to you.Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place. The whole looking @ things from one perspective doesn't even compare. Look @ what I'm talking about in regards to gumshoe: On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: You really think that's similiar to what vivax is doing? I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? Point out why Solstice's questions were bad, and you have a case. I did: + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sure. I think the reach on stutters has been discussed enough so I'll wont spend too much more time on that. But I'll say that you called it the scummiest post in the thread and I don't see how it was even a little scummy. You go after Lazer simply because he he spent time talking about marvs miller claim. How is that at all scummy? That's what the main subject of the thread was. He wasn't the only one talking about it. You say that there was plenty of other stuff to talk about. But there really wasn't @ that point. The miller stuff was pretty much all that was discussed yet. You accuse Vivax of "Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here". He was just noting that marv hadn't posted anything since his original claim post. None of these things you mentioned seemed very scummy to me. | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote: Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote: My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote: JJ: If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters? I feel like I've answered this already. I agreed w/ your points about Rayn and originally thougt he was scum. But he's done alot since then to convince me otherwise. Like I said about Lazer, I don't thing scum would pile thier votes on me so early and I have a STRONG scumread on gumshoe. I'll go reread stutters but I've had him as solidly in my town column pretty much all game. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way?gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already answered that. This is why JarJar is scum in case someone missed it: JarJar: "gumshoe is mafia for looking my certain posts from only from the scum perspective. He does not address how a townie could not make those posts." JarJar: "rayn i think is town, but Vivax case is good" On July 01 2013 23:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place. The whole looking @ things from one perspective doesn't even compare. Look @ what I'm talking about in regards to gumshoe:You really think that's similiar to what vivax is doing? You keep bringing this up. I was only reference ONE POST that gumshoe made. I was never saying that was the only (or even the main) reason he's mafia. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I did say I don't want to lynch rayne because I have a town read on him. Right in the quoted post.Of course it makes you scummy. As town you would say "i don't want to lynch rayn because i have a town read on him, therefore both of the suspects are probably town and we should lynch X because of Y". You are basically saying "i don't want to die, but i also don't want to do anything about it so i'll tell now that i will vote for rayn in the end, just that you know". | ||
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![[image loading]](http://wiki.tarantino.info/images/Zimmerman.jpg) Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: JJD: But why was it a reason for him to be mafia? Pretend that you know I'm a townie. You don't think it's scummy to try and imply that the reason I wasn't posting in the thread and just showed up was because a scumbuddy gave me a heads up? Like I already asked (and no one answered): What is the actual implication? That I was only following the scum thread and not the actual game thread? Why would I need a heads up to know that I had heat on me? | ||
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It also means that scum can't shoot into anyone that they claim giving the PRs a bit more power @ night. | ||
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On July 02 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote: It's specific character names. I doubt there could be 2 of them or the role PMs would just say American Townie.If the host guarantees that there is only one instance of each name though then it's worth the risk. But most certainly he won't comment on something that is potentially gamebreaking. | ||
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On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you?Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did. On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote: I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup.Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed. To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out. I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP: It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote: can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game. Well I mean, The monkey's out of the bottle. Who knows if I was gonna be able to get out of a lynch w/o my roleclaim. I'm pretty much doubting I was. The whole dynamic of the game is already changed. | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:02 gumshoe wrote: OK so here he's trying to sow seeds of doubt in the mass roleclaim plan even though it's been pretty much agreed on that it's an incredibly powerfull play. Like why mention those things and then vote yes?On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?. And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. So then why vote yes? Vayne voted against it for this same reason. The only reason to vote yes is because he's scared to post anything that would apear to be anti-town.He's knows the mass roleclaim is detrimental to scum. He'd trying to use 2 seperate excuses as to why we shouldn't do it and hoping that one of em sticks. The problem is those excuses directly clash with each other. Either it's a huge boon to scum or it's broken and cheap. How can it be both? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:43 Vivax wrote: Not only that, but gumshoe didn't like it AND he voted for it. Here's my case again:+ Show Spoiler +That reason with the massclaim thing isn't enough. As said, gumshoe disagreed with doing it too. But you don't seem to give a fuck about gumshoe. On July 02 2013 03:06 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK so here he's trying to sow seeds of doubt in the mass roleclaim plan even though it's been pretty much agreed on that it's an incredibly powerfull play. Like why mention those things and then vote yes? So then why vote yes? Vayne voted against it for this same reason. The only reason to vote yes is because he's scared to post anything that would apear to be anti-town. He's knows the mass roleclaim is detrimental to scum. He'd trying to use 2 seperate excuses as to why we shouldn't do it and hoping that one of em sticks. The problem is those excuses directly clash with each other. Either it's a huge boon to scum or it's broken and cheap. How can it be both? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe's posting is too dense for me to have a proper opinion on it with the time I have remaining. Here's more of my case against gumshoe (in addition to the mass claim stuff): On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Glad u asked .pretty sure gumshoe is scum All gumshoe has done is look for miniscule things that he can label piggybacker/flip-flopper/etc... And he's calling people out a bunch because of activity issues just because they leave the thread for a bit. Look @ all of these posts:I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda. And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around. vote: gumshoe On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: Someone comment on this exchange: How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote: because it looked like the only wagons @ the time were WoS, Lazer, and Vayne and I felt that was the best vote. The fuba thing just up and happened out of thin air. I think he's a bad lynch.why did you dump your vote on WoS then leave? | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: OK. I just went back and I guess I missed it the first time. Yes that does look bad. I just feel like the votes moved to fuba so quick after Lazers claim that he had to be town. Meaning that one of the other potential wagons (WoS or Vayne) were probably scum.Don't you think the contradiction I pointed out which has been left unanswered by fuba is scummy? Sorry guys, I can't hang out for this last hour though I will do my best to get in front of a computer 5 minutes before the deadline. | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:45 Vivax wrote: Me. Pretty sure my vote's already there.Who's in for WoS? We have 15 mins | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: k donewhy don't you consolidate with me on the guy who's not-cop | ||
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On July 02 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is gumshoe most likely town? What about my case don't you like? (Especially the stuff about the mass claim).Okay so people who are most likely town: JarJar, Lazer, marv, Vivax, Oats, gumshoe Also, you think it's reasonable to assume that I'm town and there was no mafia were pushing my lynch yesterday? | ||
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What is wierd though is how he disappeared during the crucial part of the day. Especially considering he used that exact same reasoning to build his case against Stutters and myself. See if I was like him, I'd start throwing out all these theorys that he couldn't refute about how the mass roleclaim idea scared him away and he purposefully stayed away from the thread. | ||
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On July 02 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: So incompetent scum does? If so, how is it alignment indicative?And competent scum also dont do shit like that. So yeah.. | ||
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On July 02 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote: ..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. In fairness he did say his activity would be spotty on Day 1, Canada day and what have you. I agree with you that it's at best extremely hypocritical with the Stutters thing. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv Is any of this stuff really scummy? | ||
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On July 02 2013 23:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: ..and me too. And yeah, that's all I was implying. He searching for anything that he can call scummy about me. ie: - my post about voting to save myself - "flipflopping" when I changed my opinion on rayn - The aforemention inactivity of myself and stutters - me "piggybacking" oats opinion on marv Is any of this stuff really scummy? In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out: On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar Drinks's first post is essentially just him piggy backing off Oat's accusation of Rayne (who in turn was just recycling my initial analysis and presenting it as his own but with gusto) while simultaneously attacking Lazer without providing any reason why (he also associates them here as if they are in league, when in reality they're is no real proof connecting the two other than Wifom) he backs mine and Oat's assesment of Stutters maybe just being silly town, but doesn't comment on his long absence. Here's my first post that he's referring to: On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:And here's the post in question:I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town? Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting? | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:04 gumshoe wrote: Finding someones post not town-indicitive <> attacking that person. That's a huge leap to make.1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont. 2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me This is just a complete misrepresentation of what happened. I had made my cases against you BEFORE any of the role stuff happened. I didn't take the opportunnity to pounce after you said you were leaving for the day. The majority of what I said was before that. Yes I reposted it for marv and then sure, I started it up again today while you were still gone. Are you saying that I shouldn't push my scumread because he disapeared for the day? I don't know how you can say you "assumed we were on fine terms" when we already had plenty of back and forth and I posted @ least 2 full cases against you.Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters. | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:56 gumshoe wrote: Well then tough, you've been misrepresenting half of what I said as well, this is just the way I see it. I'm not talking with you about this anymore though, answer my question on Lazer please. How is that an answer? You said you thought we were on fine terms even though I had spent a great deal of time accusing you. Why would you have thought that? | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: I think we do what we should have on day 1. Proceed w/ the mass claim.Jarjar, if we assume gumshoe is indeed blue, then now what? | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the gumshoe clause? What am I missing?If you are not gumshoe and you are a vigilante, shoot lazer/marv. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i do not die i'll tell the thread what happened when the game was paused. wtf is this? | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: This seems like a real wierd thing to know.Vivax, afaik the OP did not state scum have 2 KP until the game was paused. | ||
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not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die: gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt. s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing WaveofShadow - raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow. mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Stutters695 - Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points I think that's everyone. Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment. man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm assuming I die for sure. W/ the mass claim looming they can't leave me alive because I'm close to confirmed town as well as uncounterable @ this point. not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die: gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt. s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing WaveofShadow - raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow. mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Stutters695 - Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points I think that's everyone. Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment. man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Who do you think is lying?Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I have no clue now to be honest. I was worried when the possibility of fakeclaims were brought up that this would be a possibility. I have no fucking clue why I was roleblocked though. I'm still thinking strictly role-wise it would make the most sense to have a cop in this game so certainly one of the protection/KP roles has to be a fake. Since I know mine is legit that leaves Vivax/gumshoe. Are 2 or 3 blues more likely in this setup because I would think then if only 2 blues are really present maybe Lazer DID fakeclaim along with one of the others. Gameplay-wise if I had to pick one of the blueclaims to lynch Lazer has had by far the scummiest play out of the three of them so I'd lynch him first. I'm not sure which of Vivax/gumshoe are lying if only 2 blues are present. In fact, ##Vote: Lazermonkey did you edit that vote in? I could have sworn it wasn't there originally | ||
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Strange I totally missed it. Also I didn't realize parity cop worked like that. I thought you just submit 2 names each night and get same/different. | ||
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marvellosity - Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz gumshoe - Shoshanna s0Lstice - Pierre LaPadite WaveofShadow - Sgt. Donny Donowitz mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Pfc. Andy Kagan Stutters695 - Vivax - Lt. Aldo Raine Lazermonkey - Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki JarJarDrinks - Pfc. Michael Zimmermann Fuba and Stutters need to claim. Townie points to whichever one claims first. | ||
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- Doesn't that pretty much mean he's extremely unlikely to win? If I'm 3rd party I think I'd just counter the scummiest looking dude and take my chances. - Why not jail someone? Especially gumshoe who claimed blue and could potentially vig kill him? Saying that he figured vig would shoot lazr or marv seems like a poor reason to not use ur ability. - I find it way too coincidental that he's the last claim and he happens to have the only non-red role left in the game. That means for him to be telling the truth, every scummy got lucky and picked a role not already in the game. Gonna reread stuff but I doubt I'll see anything that would make me want to vote anywhere else. | ||
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So I'm gonna mark marv and lazr down as legit for now. WoS on the other hand has got to be scum. - Last blue to claim. - Claims roleblock when I can't see any reason for hitler to have targetted him. - Claims to have shot @ marv which as has been pointed out seemed unlikely for him to do. - Plus @ the deadline yesterday the votes seemed to want to go anyone but him. Not sure who's the better lynch between fuba and WoS. | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: EBWOP *not suggesting lynching survivorYeah I'm suggesting lynching survivor. I'm suggesting fuba is scum and had no choice but claim the only non-red role left in the game. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote: No, lynching fuba accomplishes the same thing and he could very well be scum.Should we nolynch today. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivix is 100% confirmed town. Is Vivax scum marv? ##vote WoS | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynching Fuba is the only way we guarantee that we don't lose the game unless we're 100% sure we're lynching scum. if we lynch WoS and he's town (or any townie), it's 3/3/1 tomorrow and we lose the game. If we lynch Fuba (and he's survivor) it's 4/3 tomorrow and we don't lose.JJD, if its mylo and we dont lynch scum, we lose if there are only 2 townies dead tmr and no one else. highly likely. The kicker is fuba might actually be scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So you want to risk the game on todays lynch? You were just asking if we should vote no lynch because we're @ mylo. This is essentially doing the same thing but w/ a much bigger upside.Everyone on fuba, please get off fuba. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote: Who's gonna be gone? Vivax obviously. Who else?We're going to have to risk the game 3 more times after today to win the game. The issue is that after tonight, 2 of the most level-headed people will be gone and we won't even have got a scum yet. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote: And if you lynch survivor, you lose a guy who can turn the tides for town with his JK. Doesn't matter for him who he wins with, he's a potential medic. We need his compliance. Can't turn the tides if we mislynch today. He says "hi scum, kill 2 people today please, I wont stop you. Then tomorrow I will vote with you and we both win GG" | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:50 marvellosity wrote: Are these townreads?Vivax won't die because he's insane. You and lazer, or you and gumshoe, or you and s0lstice. Vivax will singlehandedly lose the game for town if he's left alive. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:02 marvellosity wrote: But you believe that tonight they will abandon those traits and leave Vivax alive?All that tells me is that mafia are either stupid or egotistical. It's not clear which yet. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote: Does he actually say or imply this? Because like I said, we need to be 100% sure that we lynch correcty today or else we lose the game. Which means marv should be treating WoS as having flipped red already if he's voting for him.Marv doesn't have any other reads cause he said he needed to see WoS' flip first. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote: I'm taking his claim at face value for now. He claimed blue early and wasn't CCd.JarJar, what do you think of gumshoe at the moment? | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote: Has he really been attacking you all that much? I guess I really didn't get that impression from him. But the fact that he votes WoS makes perfect sense because if he's blue, he has to be sure one of the other blues is lying and WoS is the most likely to be.What do you make of the fact that he attacked me consistently ('false' accusations, leading town to ruin, leading a purposeful mislynch, 'need to be held accountable') and ended up voting WoS? | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:34 marvellosity wrote: Said this earlier:So if you buy his claim/towniness, shouldn't you be voting with him? On July 03 2013 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: But now after realizing the whole MYLO thing, I think the answer is obviously fuba.Not sure who's the better lynch between fuba and WoS. | ||
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On July 03 2013 21:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: and I really want to emphasize that last point:Not totally caught up but I see fuba claimed 3rd party. Few things first: - Doesn't that pretty much mean he's extremely unlikely to win? If I'm 3rd party I think I'd just counter the scummiest looking dude and take my chances. - Why not jail someone? Especially gumshoe who claimed blue and could potentially vig kill him? Saying that he figured vig would shoot lazr or marv seems like a poor reason to not use ur ability. - I find it way too coincidental that he's the last claim and he happens to have the only non-red role left in the game. That means for him to be telling the truth, every scummy got lucky and picked a role not already in the game. Gonna reread stuff but I doubt I'll see anything that would make me want to vote anywhere else. The last person to claim just so happened to have the only role left in the game Add to that the fact that FUBA IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE THREAD THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO MISLYNCH AND NOT LOSE THE GAME and it becomes a no-brainer. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:49 marvellosity wrote: Isn't that why vote no-lynch @ Mylo is a good strategy?Generally I think lynching someone because you can afford their mislynch is an upside-down way of looking at things. Please answer these questions marv: - Do you agree that if we mislynch today we lose the game? - Are you 100% sure that WoS is scum? Cause if you answer yes to the first, I don't know how you can answer no to the 2nd. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:39 marvellosity wrote: Lol, what kind of reasoning is this? If he's not survivor, he's scum and we lynch him anyway.And if he's not survivor, then it's not mylo anyways. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Is Vivax scum marv? ##vote WoS u voted fuba in the voting thread | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote: No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum.Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote: No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. | ||
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On July 04 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote: yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe.Sorry, why on earth do you think WoS would have thought it was going to be between gumshoe and him? What am I missing? Or are you including Lazer too? | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:24 gumshoe wrote: I threw it away after your claim. Just like you threw your case against me out after my claim.Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon. | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: What's this last part mean?Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler + (I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.) | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:14 gumshoe wrote: No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read. You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean this is actually a reason I don't believe WoS. The game pausing is not when the new roles were sent out according to him. That was some other issue I guess? You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS. He apparently received his fakeclaim sometime during the nightphase. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?What's this last part mean? | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after.Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. Then he posted this too Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:30 gumshoe wrote: Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying?Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info. Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you? And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim? | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. On July 04 2013 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Why would he be "absolutely fucked"? The roleclaim discussion happened AFTER the pause in the game. Which means he must have his role already. I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. SO I ask him when he got his role: On July 04 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote: He's trying to retcon what he said right here. He starts talking about timestamps and says oh he was probably wrong. How could he have been wrong? Did he somehow imagine the feeling of being "absolutely fucked" when people were talking about roleclaims? Good question. I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez. Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less. WoS is absolutely scum. No doubt about it. | ||
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On July 04 2013 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: How could you have had a feeling of being fucked @ anytime? It's not possible in any way based on what you wrote? Point to a single post or series of posts that would have given you any feeling of being fucked. You can't because that would invalidate everything you wrote.You derp. I was gone that entire time so that feeling of being fucked and the pause in the game and whatnot all happened around the same time for me when I happened to read it. But again by all means, vote me. | ||
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On July 04 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, check this:Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg. On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: The closest thing to an answer was thisWhat's this last part mean? On July 04 2013 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what could "info on other roles" mean? He has to be implying that he got more than just the Donny fakeclaim right? Which means he's sitting on guaranteed scum right now but igrok says he's not allowed to divulge that information? I mean, how's he supposed to play the game and push his read? He's supposed to be all "I think so-and-so is scum, you guys should lynch him because uh...I gots a feeling"? Cmon.kk back. So it turns out I'm not allowed to specify beyond what I already have regarding the fakeclaims. So....yeah. I guess that's pretty convenient fodder for all dem hataz but I don't really care. I'm pretty sure the relevant people know that I know shit. | ||
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On July 04 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote: so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles? Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim. I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them? | ||
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On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote: Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case Must have missed it. Can you point me to it? | ||
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On July 04 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote: Huh, assumming A, wouldn't they know that Donny didn't exist? If they were given fakeclaims, isn't it reasonable to think that they were given Donny?Effectively it boils down to this. Is it more reasonable that a) scum know what blues/characters exist, but they DON'T know who had them (bear in mind town doesn't know at the start either, i.e. claims aren't bulletproof to *town*), or b) scum can never fakeclaim at any point because any fakeclaim at any point runs a risk of being counterclaimed because they don't know what's in the game, so the only point they can fakeclaim is after all townies have claimed, thus outing the entire team. b) is WAY more unreasonable. | ||
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Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Assuming JKPerhaps, seems not unlikely that they were told "here's 3 fakeclaims for the 3 of you, claim outside of these at your peril" or some such. I don't know exactly. Either way the b) / a) thing holds pretty much true, don't you think? - 12 people in the game, 8 townies, 1 3rd party - 12 town roles and 1 3rd party so there are 4 "free" town roles left. Mafia was given those 4 roles to fakeclaim or maybe they're only given 3. Either way, they know that those roles are not in the game right? So if Donny was one of those roles then they'd immediately know that WoS was lying. What am I missing? And also this goes hand in hand with the whole "other information" thing he alluded to. There are only 4 "free" roles, exactly enough for 1 JK and 3 mafia. Do you think that igrok gave Scum and 3rd party the same role to fakeclaim? And like you said, he gave the 3rd party a vigilante claim? Really? | ||
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. So try again | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose? I mean, I gave it some thought and then realized that there was nothing that he could have been given aside from things that outright tell him who scum is which obviously doesn't make sense. But I didn't give it too much thought beyond that because WoS is pretty clearly scum. | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:56 gumshoe wrote: Lots of words that pretty much equate to the same thing Oats said. Here's my response:Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're. The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor. On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem. So try again | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Holy shit read my posts. Yes I feel fucked. BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WOS SAID HE FELT FUCKEDJJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked? On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: Look @ what I just quoted and tell me. Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up?Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem. So try again | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote: This has been my point from the getgo. He totally 180ed on that and started talking about not remembering and missing timestamps.What? No I dont. Which is why he felt fucked. :>???? | ||
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Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up? | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote: Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense. JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say? The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move. | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I've mentioned the possibility of dual-scumclaims. I'm not really leaning one way or the other. But what I'm sure of is that you can't possbly be survivor.I'd also like to note, for future reference, are the people voting against me assuming that fuba is actually the survivor? Have they mentioned this out loud in the thread? This information will become pertinent I believe after the flip. | ||
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@Marv, If fuba flips and he's not red I don't want to hear bitching about dickishness or calling WoS out about anything. Your vote is all you. You have all the information that Lazer and I posted which pretty much shows how Waves story is complete bullshit. You're choosing to lynch elsewhere despite of it. | ||
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Though I'm pretty sure he's still scum. | ||
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or did you mean about WoS still being scum? | ||
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On July 05 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote: That was the central cog in my case against him.I assume mafia were given their fakeclaims during the 'pause', or failing that at the start of the game, both before you claimed? Did WoS claim a specific other time? On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:45 gumshoe wrote: Sounds like a good plan. So when you took your vote off of me originally, I assume it's because you believed my claim. So why don't you believe it now? Did something change your mind?Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor. | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:51 gumshoe wrote: how do you know there are fake claims in the game now?................I took my vote off you because you claimed before we knew they're were fake claims in the game........................ | ||
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On July 05 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: how do you know there are fake claims in the game now? On July 05 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote: Seems pretty damn likely it's how I described it earlier, given what fuba claimed. On July 05 2013 09:24 marvellosity wrote: oh, unless you're going for the argument that WoS is scum and lying about that stuff, right? my point is this: I pointed out how based on what WoS is saying about fakeclaims exonerates me. You seemed to think I made fair point and question Gumshoe about it. He responds: On July 05 2013 08:45 gumshoe wrote: I mean, I was already confirmed town which gumshoe seemed to agree with. It was only after WoS posted about fakeclaims that he decided that my claim could be fake. Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor. He can't have it both ways. Either he is gonna pay attention to what WoS said or he isn't. Not just when it benefits his PoV. | ||
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On July 05 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Wrong. You have a town read on me. See here:JJD, im nullish to scum. On July 05 2013 00:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up? On July 05 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote: What? No I dont. Which is why he felt fucked. :>???? Unless for some reason you think that I had a fakeclaim while WoS didn't. | ||
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On July 05 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Im currently going with the theory that scum had fakeclaims at the start, survivor maybe, and the pause was not due to anything regarding claims. And so you think WoS was lying about feeling fucked? If so then why didn't you vote for him. Or did you only start to believe he was lying after the lynch? | ||
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On July 05 2013 12:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Like really? How many times do I have to post the same thing?I think that he felt fucked cause claiming a nontown role is bad, and fakeclaiming is also bad. He said he felt fucked because he didn't have a fake role to claim. Therefore you believe he was lying. But you didn't always believe he was lying because you said as much. I'm just wondering, when did you change your mind? | ||
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On July 05 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I think the opposite. I think scum getting a list of all the roles not in the game would be broke beyond belief.Also I am sitting here with my jaw on the floor that you actually seem to think scum don't have fakeclaims. I think that the threat of a mass claim is balanced by 2 KPs. I mean day 2 mylo and a list of all the roles seem a bit much no? | ||
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The dick move analysis is just something I don't feel should be taken into account in a game like this. I didn't really feel comfortable talking about it. Especially since marv was basicly trying to get me to come right out and say that I thought WoS was being a dick. And like, sure I said yes when marv asked me. But I don't think it says too much about WoS's personally. I just think it's kind of a cheesy thing to do. But I wouldn't all of a sudden be like "OMG I hate you, how could you do something like this?". And regarding fakeclaims. Why did everyone believe my claim in the first place? What exactly changed everyones mind? | ||
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On July 06 2013 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Care to give any reasons for why you're town?Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK?I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. | ||
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On July 06 2013 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I was under the impression that RBing vet means he doesn't get the KP protection and RBing vengeful doesn't get the counterkill if done the night she dies.1 cop 1 vet 1 vengeful townie. Gumshoe claimed vengeful town How many of these can you RB? 1. Also, why kill Lazer when you can RB him and kill marv? To answer your 2nd question, I see no reason to have killed a town marv. He seemed like he was gonna try to get me lynched today and I'm town. Obviously, unless u're scum you can't know that, but I do. | ||
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But, I need to know what people actually believe in regards to the fakeclaims. Because it's hard to refute a theory when no one actually has details of that theory. - Was mafia given blues to claim? - Was Survivor given more than 1 role to claim? - WHat do people believe WoS's extra information that he supposedly cant talk about was? - Anything else I'm not thinking of? | ||
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On July 06 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: I had a great reason.No that's the thing, he didn't hard-defend fuba at all. He was attacking fuba for much of the day before suddenly dropping him in favour of WoS. As soon as the original roleclaims came in, I pretty much immediately said that WoS and Fuba were both lying and I was down for a lynch of either of them. Then marv(I think) posted how if we did in fact have a survivor then we were actually @ mylo. So the choice was obvious @ that point because WoS was sticking to his vig claim. We lynch fuba and guarantee we don't lose the game. Get what I'm saying: - Worst case scenario for a fuba lynch, we lynch the survivor - Worst case scenario for a WoS lynch, we lych town and lose the game. It was a no-brainer. But then WoS made his 2nd claim and that immediately took MYLO off the table. So now I could vote whichever looked scummier. And to me that was WoS for all the reasons I mentioned. | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:51 gumshoe wrote: Ok, you are not allowed to use this against me. Or did you forget, THE REASON I'M NOT CONFIRMED TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT MAFIA WAS GIVEN FAKECLAIMS. So if you are trying to say that stutters is my scumbuddy, please explain why it would matter that I have him claiming late? If fact, I should make all my teammates claim first right? That would give them ultimate towncred.Stutters pretty much goes out of his way to advocate a Fuba lynch that almost happened. I'll reiterate, scum need to keep 2kp, thats they're only real goal in this setup. Also this out of Jar Jar. This is a list to determine reveal order so that towns suspicious suspects cant weasel into a leftover role. Why is Sutters, the source of much controversy to say the least, effectively the most townie person here aside from Vivax!? Or rather the person we would pretty much LEAST benefit from an earlier reveal of his role? | ||
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On July 06 2013 13:44 gumshoe wrote: Solstice hasn't really been on my radar for a while now and Stutters never has been. I'm sorry but you don't get to decide who I make a case against. I'm still thinking WoS is scum and I'm not entirely sure about the 2nd scum. I need to sleep now. Will still go over some more stuff tomorrow but if anyone wants to post direct questions on reiterate reasons for voting for me, it'd make it easier.Ok jar jar, seeing as I'm the only read they're you have a problem with, I'm going to make this very easy on for you, convince we why solstice is scum(he's one of your biggest scum reads, remember?). I can't speak for the rest of town, but if you make a good case, I'll cast my vote on him. Then the following day town can lynch me, if I'm scum hooray, town wins, if I'm not, I take you with me, town wins anyways. If you choose to abandon your solstice read or choose to now think stutters is scum when you were his defender for ages, then I need you to admit you've been wrong for 90 percent of this game. In which case I hope you don't expect anyone to still listen you even on the off chance that you do actually prove to be the worst townie in tl history. And before marv asks again, I'll get this out of the way: I, JarJarDrinks, do solemnly swear, that I believe a scum WoS is capable of making a play like he has in regards to the rules and host. Like I said WoS, I don't hold it against you personally and I don't think it's as dickish as marv is making it out to be. Especially since I have no idea what actually happened w/ the roles and the whole pause in the game. | ||
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On July 06 2013 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote: What makes you say this game surely has a miller?Hey guys, lets lynch the miller who claimed in the game that almost surely has a miller. Cute Vivax. | ||
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On July 06 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Why am I scum marv? I'll look into other people (I'm thinking maybe Oats right now) but I'm sure I can refute any case against me since I am in fact town. The fact that I'm not sure of the scum team doesn't make me scum.Gonna ##Vote: JarJarDrinks until he gives me a better option. Hint: WoS is not it. | ||
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On July 06 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote: Why? Even if you are right that WoS wouldn't make this play, isn't everything I wrote about his whole feeling of being fucked completely accurate? Also the whole thing about having extra information that he can't give us? You really don't think those are legit reasons to suspect him?And I don't believe your wos scumread. | ||
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On July 06 2013 21:31 marvellosity wrote: Why exactly should gunshoe be looking extremely town to me?also stuff where you were asking gumshoe why he was town seems extremely out of place. gumshoe should be looking extremely townie to you right now. So out of place it makes you scum in fact. | ||
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On July 06 2013 21:42 marvellosity wrote: Well since I think that the towns other lynch option (WoS) was also scum I'm not gonna put too much stock into it. But I'm still looking into other people.Did you read his really good analysis that got town to lynch fuba? You think that's some elaborate scum-construction? | ||
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On July 06 2013 12:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Can you try to answer some of these marv? Or @ least speculate?Also, the main point against my claim which had originally cleared me is that everyone now believes that mafia was given fakeclaims @ some point before I made my claim. (either during the pause or to start with). I think that's nonsense and am pretty sure I can poke all types of holes in it. But, I need to know what people actually believe in regards to the fakeclaims. Because it's hard to refute a theory when no one actually has details of that theory. - Was mafia given blues to claim? - Was Survivor given more than 1 role to claim? - WHat do people believe WoS's extra information that he supposedly cant talk about was? - Anything else I'm not thinking of? | ||
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Look @ the last hour or so of day 1. Fuba was the vote leader for the majority of that last hour. He was pretty active in the thread during that time. @ no point did he try use one of the fakeclaims that his team was supposedly given. Even though the claims were getting people out of nooses left and right, he never once thought to use his get out of jail free card. That's because scum was not given fake claims. Does anybody disagree w/ that assessment? | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote: Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card. | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim?Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had? | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:44 Stutters695 wrote: It's not a technicality. It's simple logic.If you want to live show us why your choice is better, looking for non-verifiable technicalities to get out of the lynch won't help you. ##vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:48 marvellosity wrote: Because I don't know right now so I'm focusing on what I do know and I'm proving my innocence. But I am still looking into it. Apparently you don't know who's scum either since you're voting for a townie. Stutters is right, why don't *you* tell *us* who's scum instead? Stutter last post is pretty strange. Like shouldn't he be thinking in terms of there being another scummie in the game that faked a claim? WHy would he say that miller was the only option? And Marv, please tell me the flaw in my logic above. Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? | ||
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On July 06 2013 23:01 Stutters695 wrote: Wait. You just changed your story. You said that the reason was because only miller was available to him. Now you're saying the reason is because people wouldn't allow a 2nd VT claim?WoS had Vig and I believe he's 3p. A second lynch target getting out of it via claiming VT wouldn't fly, especially with Marv back in the thread and I believe Marv(much to Vivax's dismay I'm sure), Gum, and Vivax are town so his only options are miller or none. | ||
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On July 06 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote: Why are you ignoring my question? I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS. If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today. On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: Same question to everyone else.Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? | ||
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@Marv and Gumshoe. You can say that I'm terrible or haven't been acting in the best interests of the town. I disagree but there's no need for me to argue the point because it's irrelevent right now. Bottom line is: If you are town, you will be hanging me even though I claimed and I proved logically that scum has no fakeclaims. I will probably be mostly gone untill the evening. I'll try and look into other people and make some more cases that no one will listen to because I don't want it said that I gave up on the town. | ||
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On July 07 2013 01:11 gumshoe wrote: Thanks for proving my point and not reading what I wrote. a) Fuba received the miller claim, and didn't want to throw himself into the fire so early in the game, which ended up working because Vayne was lynched, not him. b) Scum only received they're claims after the pause. In which case Fuba claiming miller would've looked terrible. c)Dude was super afk d)combination of the above. This at the least is plausible. It does not fly in the face of reason considering the circumstances of this game. Am I right 100 percent? No, but neither are you. Therefore we treat claims as null. Make a case based on peoples posting and relation to Fuba. Back to the question then, why should we lynch Solstice instead of you. You believe stutters or Solstice is my scumbuddy right? They both have claimed vanilla roles right? Therefore scum had a vanilla role to claim and Fuba didn't use it despite being pretty close to being lynched for the majority of that last hour. And he wasn't AFK as he posted about 4 times in that time period. So your answer makes no sense but I'm sure you'll still stick to your guns. | ||
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On July 07 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote: You're a super derp. Go over the claims again and look at what the last 2 town claims were when me and fuba had yet to claim: Vigi and Hammersmark. Scum and I were not given the same info/claims so I had to either claim for real or use vigi, I obv chose vigi. Scum used their other two fakeclaims on their other two members and they were left with Hammersmark. Since they didn't claim miller early in the day when they 'should' have (and I distinctly remember someone (Oats?) saying claiming miller now would be a scumclaim or something), claiming the only 'safe' role left to them would have meant death for fuba anyway, so they gambled on the fact that there was either no survivor (I doubt this) or that they could pit themselves against whoever it was that decided to counterclaim fuba. They lost this gamble. I explained this whole thing wayyyyyy earlier JJD so you're just be purposefully willful and ignorant right now. You also answered everyone's recent questions but mine. Why are you always avoiding questions regarding us being on the same scumteam in Les? On day 1, BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. Fuba was close to being lynched BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS and didn't claim BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. He apparantly has a vanilla claim in his pocket because this was BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. He didn't use it, why? | ||
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I guess I'll also leave the WoS thing alone for the same reason. I've said all I can about it. So I'm gonna dig and search for other suspects and see what I come up with. If I can't convince people to move their vote elsewhere then fine. But I'm still gonna do what I can to find scum. | ||
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This is actually a towncase but since stutters seems to be on peoples suspicious list I think it's important. On July 02 2013 05:29 mkfuba07 wrote: 1) Explained this already. Your explanation is either mistaken (which is weird, because you accepted this reasoning during Roulette) or a misrepresentation. "Vayne from Roulette" for me is "lots of scum potential, but all things I've seen townies do". 2) No, many of those show my perspective on what happened. It was summary + analysis, which only seems reasonable since I was playing almost a day behind everyone else. 3) K. 4) Not scummy. 5) Already explained. And I haven't been here to take a stance except for the one that I did. Why interpreting what I've said differently this game compared to last game? 6) What does this even mean? If I had something significantly bad to say about him I'd say slight scum, not town at all. And I actually did say something bad about him in the paragraph before. It was weird that he pointed out marv being mia when marv said he was going to be missing shortly before that. Just wasn't bad enough to invalidate the good points. 7) True. Sorry for being eager to play with a friend again -_- 8) So the reasoning should be invalidated because rayn didn't scumslip in every one of his posts? I found him scummy for one post in roulette. How is this different? 9) First point, not true. Second, you quoted it. This seems like a legit argument between them to me. Fuba didn't have any votes on him @ the time and it would have been pretty unneeded attention. This looks pretty good for stutters IMO. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:52 mkfuba07 wrote: More along the same lines. I just don't see this as a scum on scum play.rofl, it's because I think stutters is scum. My problem with the lynch is that I want to lynch rayn, which apparently isn't going to happen today, or stutters, who I'm surprised so many people have a town read on. It's not a "stupid fucking argument". Of course, if you didn't play in Roulette then you might not understand what I'm talking about, but there are contradictions between how he played then and how he's playing now that point towards him being scum. Unfortunately, as those contradictions center around his responses to me, others apparently don't find that compelling. | ||
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On Day 1 Soltice voted fuba. @ first this looks good for him, But I'm gonna disagree and here's why: Originally Lazer was in the lead and we weren't sure about the deadline. He claimed cop w/ what we thought was 4 minutes remaining in the day. rayne, Lazer and Vivax switch to fuba and we thought the day ended. Here's where the votes were @ that time: + Show Spoiler + (Someone feel free to doublecheck these because if I'm wrong I don't want it to look like I'm deliberately misleading) Stutters (1): solstice, WaveofShadow (1): JarJarDinks, raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, WaveofShadow, Lazermonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters, Vayne (2): marvellosity, mkfuba, mkfuba (3): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax, Not Voting (1): gumshoe, First person to mention the extended deadline: On July 02 2013 06:03 s0Lstice wrote: 48/24 Time cycle, deadline 18:00 EDT (-04:00) I thought we have an hour? Marv you'd be the last person I'd sheep right now. OK, that might not be that big a deal. He could have just been aware of the deadline, thats fine. But notice the last line about sheeping marv. That was in response to Marv telling solstice to sheep his fuba vote. So what does S0lstice do 2 minutes later? He sheeps Marv O_o!!!! On July 02 2013 06:05 s0Lstice wrote: Notice that fuba already had a majority when Solstice voted. Also note that 2 townies and vivax who is practically comfirmed town were the only people voting him @ the time. Scum is not gonna want nobody on the wagon after a red flip. His vote was a pile-on that wasn't gonna make a difference @ the time.I could do fuba though if its not stutters, that's not a bad lynch. ##vote mkfuba And lastly, check out S0lsices filter and see if you can figure out what he thought of Fuba @ that point. I'll give you a hint, the post I just quoted is the only mention of him up untill that point. He literally had given no reason to vote Fuba and he specifically told marv he wasn't gonna sheep him. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 07 2013 13:23 s0Lstice wrote: seems wierd to exonerate gumshoe for his part in WoS vs Fuba and then still have WoS in your list.This leaves Stutters, JJD, and WoS. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 07 2013 13:32 s0Lstice wrote: Yeah I don't know what I was thinking w/ the sheep thing. I even posted the vote count myself. But the rest still stands. You voted Fuba w/o even mentioning him once up until that point. And you did it @ a time when it wasn't gonna make a difference.in fact Marv didn't vote for fuba at all on day 1... like..what are you doing? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 07 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote: I don't really have any expectation that I'm gonna be able to save myself. I'll be happy if I do, but I'm just trying to give my opinions. Things look dire for you right now and your efforts to slough the attention on to me are full of misrepresentation. It looks malicious to be quite frank. And I think you don't expect that I'll be able to save myself either. Which is why you need 3 suspects because you're gonna still need 2 goats once I flip. | ||
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On July 08 2013 02:07 gumshoe wrote: Or soltice is defending me because he knows I'm gona flip town.Also funny that Jar Jar and Solstice, both of whom were afk for some time, return to post roughly within an hour of one another. The play now is to distance themselves from one another, (read Jar Jars recent case vs solstice) to try and save solstice. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 08 2013 02:32 gumshoe wrote: I didn't abandon it. I put it on hold because there were other pressing issues like the roleclaims which was a better indicator of who was scum. I get that the majority of people here don't seem to think role analysis is important and the only way to scumhunt is by analysing votes and cases but you're all mistaken.Jar Jar has been wrong about every little thing this game. Hes has constantly been against towns objectives, and he abandoned his early read on SOl for virtually no reason. He is the only non confirmed who was against WOS yesterday, and hes just not this bad a player. How do you know how good of a player I am?He supported Fuba all throughout the game, suggesting he was a bad lynch several times and never actually put a vote on him, likewise Fuba was a fan of Jar Jars. That was day 1. Day 2 I was all over his survivor claim and that was way before WoS countered. RTFT.Jar Jar gave Stutters his clean bill of townieness back when Stutters was totally null at best. I'll take that as a compliment. Wierd though that scum Fuba being a fan of mine makes us both scum. But me being a fan of stutters makes us different alignments. Hes also been trying to convince us to focus only the buisness of claims, and why that technicality totally exonarates him. Yep, and town shoulda listened to me. Maybe they will after I die. Role and claim analysis is somethat's been severely lacking.Whereas we have no idea how scum have received their fake claims, just that based off Fuba and WOs they do have them How exactly does anything related to Fuba point to scum having fakeclaims?Also if your worried about scum being too quiet, read the last page man. They're back in black, posting within an hour of one another as I mentioned so that they could actually have a dialogue meant to distance themselves from one another. Here's some of your great conspiracy analysis like stutters disapearing or me getting a heads up in the scum forum. Keep up the good work sherlock. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 08 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: Yep. It mean we're at mylo right now and are about to lose the game after I get mislynched. iGroks post changes things quite a bit The correct play is to lynch WOS unless people are 100% convinced I'm scum (which they can't be because I am town). But for whatever reason this town doesn't seem to care about roles and is about to lose the game. The only way we aren't @ mylo is if WOS is scum. | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:50 gumshoe wrote: no. I'll be saying how I handed you the game and you threw it away. The correct play is to lynch scum. You are scum and I'm not waiting any longer on your flip. Also there is no fuking way I'm going to listen to you brag post game about how you single handedly saved yourself moments away from getting lynched. But If you're scum then u guys lose. Igrok probably calls the game if WOS is survivor but even if he doesn't WOS just has to announce that he's gonna vote w scum tomorrow. If neither of those things happen. Then WOS is scum and he gets voted out. Then you're not far behind him. Especially since the town can afford to be wrong about you because you'd get a final shot. | ||
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Remember town, If the game isn't over after my lynch then WoS mathematically has to be scum. WHich means that gumshoe, should be lynched after. Gumshoe, do you agree with that? If I flip green, and the game doesn't autoend, the town absolutely has to vote WoS and then you immediately after? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: Gumshoe, do you agree with that? If I flip green, and the game doesn't autoend, the town absolutely has to vote WoS and then you immediately after? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:45 Stutters695 wrote: He doesn't have to be scum, but he could be. Which means we autolynch him because if he is town he gets another shot. there'd be literally no upside to lynching someone else.I don't understand why gum has to be scum if you flip and WoS is. Am I missing something. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 08 2013 05:41 gumshoe wrote: True, except that you are about to fuck up today. And why are you avoiding my question?No, if we kill survivor we just right into lylo or mylo whatever again. And we stay that way for the rest of the game. If we successfully lynch scum today, we can mislynch the following and be at 2 1 1. In which case WOS would vote with us because thats his quickest road to victory. Leaving him alive actually gives a buffer provided we dont fuck today up. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Incorrect. Unless you're scum. Please read the thread.If you mislynch today you don't lose. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote: How did he do that pray tell?I agree and I think it's a dick move after you helped us day 2. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:30 gumshoe wrote: No, only WoS makes sense. You're terrible or scum.Oats is gone. Vivax doesn't give a shit. Jar Jar if you switch to sol right now. I'm in. Marv, look how desperate gumshoe is getting. He's doing anything he can to keep the vote off WoS. They're both scum. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:36 marvellosity wrote: U agree that WoS > Gumshoe have to be the next lynches if I flip green? If so then go right ahead. I think we stick with what we got. JJD if you're town then sorry, but you've said too many things I can't get my head around. gumshoe/WoS is just nowhere near where I'm at. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:36 marvellosity wrote: JJD if you're town then sorry, but you've said too many things I can't get my head around. I don't want to hear this shit after the game. I've given tons of reasons why I'm not scum You have a chance to make a play that saves the game RISK FREE and you're not taking it. Literally, making this play when you're not 100% sure is absolutely retarded. | ||
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Again, the only way the town doesn't autolose the game right now is if WoS is scum. THIS IS A MATHEMATICAL FACT. Don't let gumshoe try to convince anyone otherwise. Good Luck | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: anyone?Obs thread please. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Well we were given one weapon, the massclaim. But then scum asked for every role in the game and it was given to them for some strange reason. 3 blues, 2 of which are useless. we mislynched twice and lost. Come on. Thats scumfavored. | ||
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On July 09 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: What were you given? ANd regardless, it took the massclaim away from us as a weapon. It's just strange to just change everything midway through the game. lolwut. JJD read the analysis. Scum had no idea which blueroles were in the game. Only I did. | ||
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On July 09 2013 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: No, we were @ mylo. Scum counterclaims town. It's not an autowin @ all.I was told that vig and Hitler are not in the game. That's it. Scum were only given two green VT roles and a miller, exactly as I said while the game was still going. Massclaiming should never be a weapon imo. If it went as you wanted it to then you just automatically win or catch a couple scum in the act. How is that fair exactly? | ||
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