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On July 07 2013 01:11 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 06 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS.
If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today. Why are you ignoring my question? On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? Same question to everyone else. a) Fuba received the miller claim, and didn't want to throw himself into the fire so early in the game, which ended up working because Vayne was lynched, not him. b) Scum only received they're claims after the pause. In which case Fuba claiming miller would've looked terrible. c)Dude was super afk d)combination of the above. This at the least is plausible. It does not fly in the face of reason considering the circumstances of this game. Am I right 100 percent? No, but neither are you. Therefore we treat claims as null. Make a case based on peoples posting and relation to Fuba. Back to the question then, why should we lynch Solstice instead of you. Thanks for proving my point and not reading what I wrote.
You believe stutters or Solstice is my scumbuddy right? They both have claimed vanilla roles right? Therefore scum had a vanilla role to claim and Fuba didn't use it despite being pretty close to being lynched for the majority of that last hour.
And he wasn't AFK as he posted about 4 times in that time period.
So your answer makes no sense but I'm sure you'll still stick to your guns.
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Is this game an experiement? I feel like I'm on the truman show. How can so many people read what I write and then ignore it.On July 07 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 01:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 07 2013 01:11 gumshoe wrote:On July 07 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 06 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS.
If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today. Why are you ignoring my question? On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? Same question to everyone else. a) Fuba received the miller claim, and didn't want to throw himself into the fire so early in the game, which ended up working because Vayne was lynched, not him. b) Scum only received they're claims after the pause. In which case Fuba claiming miller would've looked terrible. c)Dude was super afk d)combination of the above. This at the least is plausible. It does not fly in the face of reason considering the circumstances of this game. Am I right 100 percent? No, but neither are you. Therefore we treat claims as null. Make a case based on peoples posting and relation to Fuba. Back to the question then, why should we lynch Solstice instead of you. Thanks for proving my point and not reading what I wrote. You believe stutters or Solstice is my scumbuddy right? They both have claimed vanilla roles right? Therefore scum had a vanilla role to claim and Fuba didn't use it despite being pretty close to being lynched for the majority of that last hour. And he wasn't AFK as he posted about 4 times in that time period. So your answer makes no sense but I'm sure you'll still stick to your guns. You're a super derp. Go over the claims again and look at what the last 2 town claims were when me and fuba had yet to claim: Vigi and Hammersmark. Scum and I were not given the same info/claims so I had to either claim for real or use vigi, I obv chose vigi. Scum used their other two fakeclaims on their other two members and they were left with Hammersmark. Since they didn't claim miller early in the day when they 'should' have (and I distinctly remember someone (Oats?) saying claiming miller now would be a scumclaim or something), claiming the only 'safe' role left to them would have meant death for fuba anyway, so they gambled on the fact that there was either no survivor (I doubt this) or that they could pit themselves against whoever it was that decided to counterclaim fuba. They lost this gamble. I explained this whole thing wayyyyyy earlier JJD so you're just be purposefully willful and ignorant right now. You also answered everyone's recent questions but mine. Why are you always avoiding questions regarding us being on the same scumteam in Les?
On day 1, BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. Fuba was close to being lynched BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS and didn't claim BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. He apparantly has a vanilla claim in his pocket because this was BEFORE THE MASS CLAIMS. He didn't use it, why?
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OK, I'm gonna try and not defend myself anymore after this post since people don't seem interested in hearing it. I don't think I can prove any better than I have that I can't possibly be scum so people can choose to belive me or not.
I guess I'll also leave the WoS thing alone for the same reason. I've said all I can about it.
So I'm gonna dig and search for other suspects and see what I come up with. If I can't convince people to move their vote elsewhere then fine. But I'm still gonna do what I can to find scum.
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K, I'm gonna post things as they come to me while I'm diving.
This is actually a towncase but since stutters seems to be on peoples suspicious list I think it's important.
On July 02 2013 05:29 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:23 Stutters695 wrote:My vote on JJD was a straight sheep, I liked his case. I didn't have time to type up a case last night but this post is why I'd be ok seeing Fuba hang. On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up:
Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne?
Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.
s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind.
Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying.
Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt).
Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point?
Caught up~~
Man, you guys post a lot.
So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment.
Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post.
Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me.
Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all.
marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^
rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my The first half is just his observations vote where it is. 1) First, remember after the post Rayne jumped on me for he said I reminded him of Vayne in Roulette (scummy but town by PoE to pretty much everyone in the thread if you haven't read it). 2) First half is all summaries, meaningless since anyone reading the thread would know those events. Probably null, maybe slightly scummy. 3) His point on Oats is decent, and pretty much how I feel, nothing wrong there. 4) Vayne: null, nothing of value except a question that he's never here to follow up on. 5) Me: Says my actions are null to scummy but I remind him of a townie from the last game we played? Why is this Fuba? Scared to take a stance? 6) Vivax: only slight town yet he has nothing bad to say about him. Why only slight town? Again not very committal. 7) Marv: useless fluff 8) Rayne: Essentially agrees with Vivax on who is scum and why yet neglects any other posts from Rayn to show a scum mindset or any individual thought. 9) Essentially his entire post is trying to cover up the fact that all he is doing is agreeing with Vivax. Where is your usual analysis Fuba? 1) Explained this already. Your explanation is either mistaken (which is weird, because you accepted this reasoning during Roulette) or a misrepresentation. "Vayne from Roulette" for me is "lots of scum potential, but all things I've seen townies do". 2) No, many of those show my perspective on what happened. It was summary + analysis, which only seems reasonable since I was playing almost a day behind everyone else. 3) K. 4) Not scummy. 5) Already explained. And I haven't been here to take a stance except for the one that I did. Why interpreting what I've said differently this game compared to last game? 6) What does this even mean? If I had something significantly bad to say about him I'd say slight scum, not town at all. And I actually did say something bad about him in the paragraph before. It was weird that he pointed out marv being mia when marv said he was going to be missing shortly before that. Just wasn't bad enough to invalidate the good points. 7) True. Sorry for being eager to play with a friend again -_- 8) So the reasoning should be invalidated because rayn didn't scumslip in every one of his posts? I found him scummy for one post in roulette. How is this different? 9) First point, not true. Second, you quoted it.
This seems like a legit argument between them to me. Fuba didn't have any votes on him @ the time and it would have been pretty unneeded attention. This looks pretty good for stutters IMO.
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On July 02 2013 05:52 mkfuba07 wrote:
rofl, it's because I think stutters is scum. My problem with the lynch is that I want to lynch rayn, which apparently isn't going to happen today, or stutters, who I'm surprised so many people have a town read on. It's not a "stupid fucking argument". Of course, if you didn't play in Roulette then you might not understand what I'm talking about, but there are contradictions between how he played then and how he's playing now that point towards him being scum. Unfortunately, as those contradictions center around his responses to me, others apparently don't find that compelling.
More along the same lines. I just don't see this as a scum on scum play.
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K here we go.
On Day 1 Soltice voted fuba. @ first this looks good for him, But I'm gonna disagree and here's why:
Originally Lazer was in the lead and we weren't sure about the deadline. He claimed cop w/ what we thought was 4 minutes remaining in the day. rayne, Lazer and Vivax switch to fuba and we thought the day ended.
Here's where the votes were @ that time:
+ Show Spoiler +(Someone feel free to doublecheck these because if I'm wrong I don't want it to look like I'm deliberately misleading)
Stutters (1): solstice,
WaveofShadow (1): JarJarDinks,
raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, WaveofShadow,
Lazermonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters,
Vayne (2): marvellosity, mkfuba,
mkfuba (3): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax,
Not Voting (1): gumshoe,
First person to mention the extended deadline:On July 02 2013 06:03 s0Lstice wrote:
48/24 Time cycle, deadline 18:00 EDT (-04:00)
I thought we have an hour?
Marv you'd be the last person I'd sheep right now.
OK, that might not be that big a deal. He could have just been aware of the deadline, thats fine. But notice the last line about sheeping marv. That was in response to Marv telling solstice to sheep his fuba vote. So what does S0lstice do 2 minutes later? He sheeps Marv O_o!!!! On July 02 2013 06:05 s0Lstice wrote:
I could do fuba though if its not stutters, that's not a bad lynch.
##vote mkfuba Notice that fuba already had a majority when Solstice voted. Also note that 2 townies and vivax who is practically comfirmed town were the only people voting him @ the time. Scum is not gonna want nobody on the wagon after a red flip. His vote was a pile-on that wasn't gonna make a difference @ the time.
And lastly, check out S0lsices filter and see if you can figure out what he thought of Fuba @ that point. I'll give you a hint, the post I just quoted is the only mention of him up untill that point. He literally had given no reason to vote Fuba and he specifically told marv he wasn't gonna sheep him.
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On July 07 2013 13:23 s0Lstice wrote:
This leaves Stutters, JJD, and WoS. seems wierd to exonerate gumshoe for his part in WoS vs Fuba and then still have WoS in your list.
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On July 07 2013 13:32 s0Lstice wrote:
in fact Marv didn't vote for fuba at all on day 1...
like..what are you doing? Yeah I don't know what I was thinking w/ the sheep thing. I even posted the vote count myself. But the rest still stands. You voted Fuba w/o even mentioning him once up until that point. And you did it @ a time when it wasn't gonna make a difference.
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On July 07 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote:
Things look dire for you right now and your efforts to slough the attention on to me are full of misrepresentation. It looks malicious to be quite frank. I don't really have any expectation that I'm gonna be able to save myself. I'll be happy if I do, but I'm just trying to give my opinions.
And I think you don't expect that I'll be able to save myself either. Which is why you need 3 suspects because you're gonna still need 2 goats once I flip.
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On July 08 2013 02:07 gumshoe wrote:
Also funny that Jar Jar and Solstice, both of whom were afk for some time, return to post roughly within an hour of one another. The play now is to distance themselves from one another, (read Jar Jars recent case vs solstice) to try and save solstice. Or soltice is defending me because he knows I'm gona flip town.
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Well I said I wasn't gonna defend myself anymore but since u wanted to make another of your terrible cases against me...
On July 08 2013 02:32 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar has been wrong about every little thing this game. Hes has constantly been against towns objectives, and he abandoned his early read on SOl for virtually no reason. I didn't abandon it. I put it on hold because there were other pressing issues like the roleclaims which was a better indicator of who was scum. I get that the majority of people here don't seem to think role analysis is important and the only way to scumhunt is by analysing votes and cases but you're all mistaken.
He is the only non confirmed who was against WOS yesterday, and hes just not this bad a player. How do you know how good of a player I am?
He supported Fuba all throughout the game, suggesting he was a bad lynch several times and never actually put a vote on him, likewise Fuba was a fan of Jar Jars. That was day 1. Day 2 I was all over his survivor claim and that was way before WoS countered. RTFT.
Jar Jar gave Stutters his clean bill of townieness back when Stutters was totally null at best. I'll take that as a compliment.
Wierd though that scum Fuba being a fan of mine makes us both scum. But me being a fan of stutters makes us different alignments.
Hes also been trying to convince us to focus only the buisness of claims, and why that technicality totally exonarates him. Yep, and town shoulda listened to me. Maybe they will after I die. Role and claim analysis is somethat's been severely lacking.
Whereas we have no idea how scum have received their fake claims, just that based off Fuba and WOs they do have them How exactly does anything related to Fuba point to scum having fakeclaims?
Also if your worried about scum being too quiet, read the last page man. They're back in black, posting within an hour of one another as I mentioned so that they could actually have a dialogue meant to distance themselves from one another. Here's some of your great conspiracy analysis like stutters disapearing or me getting a heads up in the scum forum. Keep up the good work sherlock.
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Internet is down. Have to Phone post which I suck at.
On July 08 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:
iGroks post changes things quite a bit Yep. It mean we're at mylo right now and are about to lose the game after I get mislynched.
The correct play is to lynch WOS unless people are 100% convinced I'm scum (which they can't be because I am town). But for whatever reason this town doesn't seem to care about roles and is about to lose the game.
The only way we aren't @ mylo is if WOS is scum.
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On July 08 2013 04:50 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:Internet is down. Have to Phone post which I suck at. On July 08 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:
iGroks post changes things quite a bit Yep. It mean we're at mylo right now and are about to lose the game after I get mislynched. The correct play is to lynch WOS unless people are 100% convinced I'm scum (which they can't be because I am town). But for whatever reason this town doesn't seem to care about roles and is about to lose the game. The only way we aren't @ mylo is if WOS is scum. The correct play is to lynch scum. You are scum and I'm not waiting any longer on your flip. Also there is no fuking way I'm going to listen to you brag post game about how you single handedly saved yourself moments away from getting lynched. no. I'll be saying how I handed you the game and you threw it away.
But If you're scum then u guys lose. Igrok probably calls the game if WOS is survivor but even if he doesn't WOS just has to announce that he's gonna vote w scum tomorrow. If neither of those things happen. Then WOS is scum and he gets voted out. Then you're not far behind him. Especially since the town can afford to be wrong about you because you'd get a final shot.
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Unless you're scum w/ someone else. Then congrats, you won because no one in the town cared enough to analyse the situation.
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Internet back woohoo.
Remember town, If the game isn't over after my lynch then WoS mathematically has to be scum. WHich means that gumshoe, should be lynched after.
Gumshoe, do you agree with that? If I flip green, and the game doesn't autoend, the town absolutely has to vote WoS and then you immediately after?
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On July 08 2013 05:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gumshoe, do you agree with that? If I flip green, and the game doesn't autoend, the town absolutely has to vote WoS and then you immediately after?
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On July 08 2013 05:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I don't understand why gum has to be scum if you flip and WoS is. Am I missing something. He doesn't have to be scum, but he could be. Which means we autolynch him because if he is town he gets another shot. there'd be literally no upside to lynching someone else.
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On July 08 2013 05:41 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:37 Vivax wrote:
Hi.
Given the announcement of that rule we should kill the survivor.
Gives us 3 extra days to figure out other scum.
##Unvote
##Vote WaveofShadow
Also, we won't have to speculate whether he was scum or not anymore. No, if we kill survivor we just right into lylo or mylo whatever again. And we stay that way for the rest of the game. If we successfully lynch scum today, we can mislynch the following and be at 2 1 1. In which case WOS would vote with us because thats his quickest road to victory. Leaving him alive actually gives a buffer provided we dont fuck today up. True, except that you are about to fuck up today. And why are you avoiding my question?
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On July 08 2013 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
If you mislynch today you don't lose. Incorrect. Unless you're scum. Please read the thread.
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On July 08 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote:I'd really prefer if you didn't lynch me you guys. I want to win too.  I honestly don't see how it's going to help you all that much since you still have 2 scum to catch and you're not going to be any closer with me gone. If you mislynch today you don't lose, but if you get rid of me then you DO lose if you mislynch D4. I agree and I think it's a dick move after you helped us day 2. How did he do that pray tell?
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