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Need to catch up and stuff but want to comment on some things first:
On July 06 2013 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. Care to give any reasons for why you're town?
On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK?
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On July 06 2013 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:Need to catch up and stuff but want to comment on some things first: On July 06 2013 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. Care to give any reasons for why you're town? On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK? 1 cop 1 vet 1 vengeful townie. Gumshoe claimed vengeful town How many of these can you RB? 1. Also, why kill Lazer when you can RB him and kill marv? I was under the impression that RBing vet means he doesn't get the KP protection and RBing vengeful doesn't get the counterkill if done the night she dies.
To answer your 2nd question, I see no reason to have killed a town marv. He seemed like he was gonna try to get me lynched today and I'm town. Obviously, unless u're scum you can't know that, but I do.
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Also, the main point against my claim which had originally cleared me is that everyone now believes that mafia was given fakeclaims @ some point before I made my claim. (either during the pause or to start with). I think that's nonsense and am pretty sure I can poke all types of holes in it.
But, I need to know what people actually believe in regards to the fakeclaims. Because it's hard to refute a theory when no one actually has details of that theory.
- Was mafia given blues to claim?
- Was Survivor given more than 1 role to claim?
- WHat do people believe WoS's extra information that he supposedly cant talk about was?
- Anything else I'm not thinking of?
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On July 06 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come stutters, show us whos scum!
I dunno marv, the thing with me about JJD, is that all his stuff is REALLY BLATANT. Like its a hard defence of fuba and hard attack on WoS.
No that's the thing, he didn't hard-defend fuba at all. He was attacking fuba for much of the day before suddenly dropping him in favour of WoS. I had a great reason.
As soon as the original roleclaims came in, I pretty much immediately said that WoS and Fuba were both lying and I was down for a lynch of either of them. Then marv(I think) posted how if we did in fact have a survivor then we were actually @ mylo.
So the choice was obvious @ that point because WoS was sticking to his vig claim. We lynch fuba and guarantee we don't lose the game. Get what I'm saying:
- Worst case scenario for a fuba lynch, we lynch the survivor
- Worst case scenario for a WoS lynch, we lych town and lose the game.
It was a no-brainer. But then WoS made his 2nd claim and that immediately took MYLO off the table. So now I could vote whichever looked scummier. And to me that was WoS for all the reasons I mentioned.
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On July 06 2013 06:51 gumshoe wrote:Stutters pretty much goes out of his way to advocate a Fuba lynch that almost happened. I'll reiterate, scum need to keep 2kp, thats they're only real goal in this setup. Also this out of Jar Jar. Show nested quote +I'm assuming I die for sure. W/ the mass claim looming they can't leave me alive because I'm close to confirmed town as well as uncounterable @ this point.
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt.
s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing
WaveofShadow -
raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow.
mkfuba07 -
Oatsmaster -
Stutters695 -
Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points
I think that's everyone.
Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment.
man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs. This is a list to determine reveal order so that towns suspicious suspects cant weasel into a leftover role. Why is Sutters, the source of much controversy to say the least, effectively the most townie person here aside from Vivax!? Or rather the person we would pretty much LEAST benefit from an earlier reveal of his role? Ok, you are not allowed to use this against me. Or did you forget, THE REASON I'M NOT CONFIRMED TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT MAFIA WAS GIVEN FAKECLAIMS. So if you are trying to say that stutters is my scumbuddy, please explain why it would matter that I have him claiming late? If fact, I should make all my teammates claim first right? That would give them ultimate towncred.
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On July 06 2013 13:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:Need to catch up and stuff but want to comment on some things first: On July 06 2013 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. Care to give any reasons for why you're town? On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK? Ok jar jar, seeing as I'm the only read they're you have a problem with, I'm going to make this very easy on for you, convince we why solstice is scum(he's one of your biggest scum reads, remember?). I can't speak for the rest of town, but if you make a good case, I'll cast my vote on him. Then the following day town can lynch me, if I'm scum hooray, town wins, if I'm not, I take you with me, town wins anyways. If you choose to abandon your solstice read or choose to now think stutters is scum when you were his defender for ages, then I need you to admit you've been wrong for 90 percent of this game. In which case I hope you don't expect anyone to still listen you even on the off chance that you do actually prove to be the worst townie in tl history. Solstice hasn't really been on my radar for a while now and Stutters never has been. I'm sorry but you don't get to decide who I make a case against. I'm still thinking WoS is scum and I'm not entirely sure about the 2nd scum. I need to sleep now. Will still go over some more stuff tomorrow but if anyone wants to post direct questions on reiterate reasons for voting for me, it'd make it easier.
And before marv asks again, I'll get this out of the way:
I, JarJarDrinks, do solemnly swear, that I believe a scum WoS is capable of making a play like he has in regards to the rules and host.
Like I said WoS, I don't hold it against you personally and I don't think it's as dickish as marv is making it out to be. Especially since I have no idea what actually happened w/ the roles and the whole pause in the game.
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On July 06 2013 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys, lets lynch the miller who claimed in the game that almost surely has a miller.
Cute Vivax. What makes you say this game surely has a miller?
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On July 06 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna ##Vote: JarJarDrinks until he gives me a better option. Hint: WoS is not it. Why am I scum marv? I'll look into other people (I'm thinking maybe Oats right now) but I'm sure I can refute any case against me since I am in fact town. The fact that I'm not sure of the scum team doesn't make me scum.
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On July 06 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
And I don't believe your wos scumread. Why? Even if you are right that WoS wouldn't make this play, isn't everything I wrote about his whole feeling of being fucked completely accurate? Also the whole thing about having extra information that he can't give us? You really don't think those are legit reasons to suspect him?
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On July 06 2013 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
also stuff where you were asking gumshoe why he was town seems extremely out of place. gumshoe should be looking extremely townie to you right now. So out of place it makes you scum in fact. Why exactly should gunshoe be looking extremely town to me?
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On July 06 2013 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
Did you read his really good analysis that got town to lynch fuba? You think that's some elaborate scum-construction? Well since I think that the towns other lynch option (WoS) was also scum I'm not gonna put too much stock into it. But I'm still looking into other people.
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On July 06 2013 12:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Also, the main point against my claim which had originally cleared me is that everyone now believes that mafia was given fakeclaims @ some point before I made my claim. (either during the pause or to start with). I think that's nonsense and am pretty sure I can poke all types of holes in it.
But, I need to know what people actually believe in regards to the fakeclaims. Because it's hard to refute a theory when no one actually has details of that theory.
- Was mafia given blues to claim?
- Was Survivor given more than 1 role to claim?
- WHat do people believe WoS's extra information that he supposedly cant talk about was?
- Anything else I'm not thinking of? Can you try to answer some of these marv? Or @ least speculate?
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OK, I think I got it.
Look @ the last hour or so of day 1. Fuba was the vote leader for the majority of that last hour. He was pretty active in the thread during that time. @ no point did he try use one of the fakeclaims that his team was supposedly given.
Even though the claims were getting people out of nooses left and right, he never once thought to use his get out of jail free card. That's because scum was not given fake claims.
Does anybody disagree w/ that assessment?
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On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote:
By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card. Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?
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On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote:
By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card. Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had? Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim?
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On July 06 2013 22:44 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to live show us why your choice is better, looking for non-verifiable technicalities to get out of the lynch won't help you.
##vote: JarJarDrinks It's not a technicality. It's simple logic.
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On July 06 2013 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 22:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote:
By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card. Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had? Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim? Stutters is right, why don't *you* tell *us* who's scum instead? Because I don't know right now so I'm focusing on what I do know and I'm proving my innocence. But I am still looking into it. Apparently you don't know who's scum either since you're voting for a townie.
Stutter last post is pretty strange. Like shouldn't he be thinking in terms of there being another scummie in the game that faked a claim? WHy would he say that miller was the only option?
And Marv, please tell me the flaw in my logic above. Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why?
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On July 06 2013 23:01 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote:
By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card. Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had? WoS had Vig and I believe he's 3p. A second lynch target getting out of it via claiming VT wouldn't fly, especially with Marv back in the thread and I believe Marv(much to Vivax's dismay I'm sure), Gum, and Vivax are town so his only options are miller or none. Wait. You just changed your story. You said that the reason was because only miller was available to him. Now you're saying the reason is because people wouldn't allow a 2nd VT claim?
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On July 06 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS.
If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today. Why are you ignoring my question? On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why? Same question to everyone else.
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I mean, you people keep telling me to "make a case" and stuff. But why would I think you'd listen to me when you refuse to listen to what I'm saying about fakeclaims? Me being scum flies in the face of logic as I've explained several times. No one can dispute what I'm saying.
@Marv and Gumshoe. You can say that I'm terrible or haven't been acting in the best interests of the town. I disagree but there's no need for me to argue the point because it's irrelevent right now. Bottom line is: If you are town, you will be hanging me even though I claimed and I proved logically that scum has no fakeclaims.
I will probably be mostly gone untill the evening. I'll try and look into other people and make some more cases that no one will listen to because I don't want it said that I gave up on the town.
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