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On July 04 2013 09:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Sorry, why on earth do you think WoS would have thought it was going to be between gumshoe and him? What am I missing? Or are you including Lazer too? yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe. Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon. I threw it away after your claim. Just like you threw your case against me out after my claim.
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.) This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well. What's this last part mean?
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On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum. You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
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On July 04 2013 12:14 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 12:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum. You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before. No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read.
You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS.
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On July 04 2013 12:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 12:14 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 12:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum. You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before. No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read. You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS. I mean this is actually a reason I don't believe WoS. The game pausing is not when the new roles were sent out according to him. That was some other issue I guess?
He apparently received his fakeclaim sometime during the nightphase.
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On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.) This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well. What's this last part mean? Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?
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On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after.
Then he posted this too
Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok.
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On July 04 2013 12:30 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.) This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well. What's this last part mean? Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here? Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info. Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you? Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying?
And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim?
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Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim?
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If he's allowed to answer, I'll explain it
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On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Ok, so here's the deal. I think Wave messed up the timeframes and thought that the pause happened AFTER the whole mass roleclaim discussion. He's making shit up now about not remembering timestamps and being told that he's not allowed to discuss it but check this out:On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. On July 04 2013 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. Why would he be "absolutely fucked"? The roleclaim discussion happened AFTER the pause in the game. Which means he must have his role already.
SO I ask him when he got his role:
On July 04 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Good question. I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez. Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less. He's trying to retcon what he said right here. He starts talking about timestamps and says oh he was probably wrong. How could he have been wrong? Did he somehow imagine the feeling of being "absolutely fucked" when people were talking about roleclaims?
WoS is absolutely scum. No doubt about it.
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On July 04 2013 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
You derp.
I was gone that entire time so that feeling of being fucked and the pause in the game and whatnot all happened around the same time for me when I happened to read it.
But again by all means, vote me. How could you have had a feeling of being fucked @ anytime? It's not possible in any way based on what you wrote? Point to a single post or series of posts that would have given you any feeling of being fucked. You can't because that would invalidate everything you wrote.
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On July 04 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg. Yeah, check this:On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.) This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well. What's this last part mean? The closest thing to an answer was thisOn July 04 2013 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
kk back.
So it turns out I'm not allowed to specify beyond what I already have regarding the fakeclaims.
So....yeah.
I guess that's pretty convenient fodder for all dem hataz but I don't really care. I'm pretty sure the relevant people know that I know shit.
Like what could "info on other roles" mean? He has to be implying that he got more than just the Donny fakeclaim right? Which means he's sitting on guaranteed scum right now but igrok says he's not allowed to divulge that information? I mean, how's he supposed to play the game and push his read? He's supposed to be all "I think so-and-so is scum, you guys should lynch him because uh...I gots a feeling"? Cmon.
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On July 04 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles?
Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim.
I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them?
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And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim.
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On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim. Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case
Must have missed it. Can you point me to it?
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On July 04 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 21:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim. Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case Must have missed it. Can you point me to it? Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
Like there are 12 townie roles, and 12 total players in the game. I think iGrok would have foreseen that if mafia have no idea what to claim at any point, then a massclaim looks really really tough on mafia. Also, look at... the Active Games thread? iGrok was contemplating using this as an open setup, but decided against this.
What does an open setup mean? It means that mafia (and town alike) would know what roles existed. So in this game as we have it, I think that mafia knew what roles existed in the game, and were thus given a safe, fakeclaim each, and the Survivor got one too, to make 12=12.
I'm aware this is speculation, but this is what makes the most sense to me. Effectively it boils down to this. Is it more reasonable that a) scum know what blues/characters exist, but they DON'T know who had them (bear in mind town doesn't know at the start either, i.e. claims aren't bulletproof to *town*), or b) scum can never fakeclaim at any point because any fakeclaim at any point runs a risk of being counterclaimed because they don't know what's in the game, so the only point they can fakeclaim is after all townies have claimed, thus outing the entire team. b) is WAY more unreasonable. Huh, assumming A, wouldn't they know that Donny didn't exist? If they were given fakeclaims, isn't it reasonable to think that they were given Donny?
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@Gumshoe, answer me this:
Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?
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On July 04 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 21:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim. Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case Must have missed it. Can you point me to it? On July 04 2013 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
Like there are 12 townie roles, and 12 total players in the game. I think iGrok would have foreseen that if mafia have no idea what to claim at any point, then a massclaim looks really really tough on mafia. Also, look at... the Active Games thread? iGrok was contemplating using this as an open setup, but decided against this.
What does an open setup mean? It means that mafia (and town alike) would know what roles existed. So in this game as we have it, I think that mafia knew what roles existed in the game, and were thus given a safe, fakeclaim each, and the Survivor got one too, to make 12=12.
I'm aware this is speculation, but this is what makes the most sense to me. Effectively it boils down to this. Is it more reasonable that a) scum know what blues/characters exist, but they DON'T know who had them (bear in mind town doesn't know at the start either, i.e. claims aren't bulletproof to *town*), or b) scum can never fakeclaim at any point because any fakeclaim at any point runs a risk of being counterclaimed because they don't know what's in the game, so the only point they can fakeclaim is after all townies have claimed, thus outing the entire team. b) is WAY more unreasonable. Huh, assumming A, wouldn't they know that Donny didn't exist? If they were given fakeclaims, isn't it reasonable to think that they were given Donny? Perhaps, seems not unlikely that they were told "here's 3 fakeclaims for the 3 of you, claim outside of these at your peril" or some such. I don't know exactly. Either way the b) / a) thing holds pretty much true, don't you think? Assuming JK
- 12 people in the game, 8 townies, 1 3rd party
- 12 town roles and 1 3rd party
so there are 4 "free" town roles left. Mafia was given those 4 roles to fakeclaim or maybe they're only given 3. Either way, they know that those roles are not in the game right? So if Donny was one of those roles then they'd immediately know that WoS was lying. What am I missing?
And also this goes hand in hand with the whole "other information" thing he alluded to. There are only 4 "free" roles, exactly enough for 1 JK and 3 mafia. Do you think that igrok gave Scum and 3rd party the same role to fakeclaim? And like you said, he gave the 3rd party a vigilante claim? Really?
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On July 04 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:
Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN. Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.
So try again
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