EPT##Vote: Lazermonkey
Fuck it, Stutters has a good point. Lazer never even had a scumread on him, or if he did, his comment to Oats is bad. Oats debunked the case on Stutters (in my opinion), yet Lazer does not address Oats' comment in any way.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
##Vote: Lazermonkey Fuck it, Stutters has a good point. Lazer never even had a scumread on him, or if he did, his comment to Oats is bad. Oats debunked the case on Stutters (in my opinion), yet Lazer does not address Oats' comment in any way. | ||
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mkfuba07
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Isn't it 2 hours left? I hope I haven't completely screwed up the conversions :S Anyway, my "catchup" post is coming in a few minutes. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Lazermonkey
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Vivax
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Rereading fuba I just noticed this shit: On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened. *snip* rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my vote where it is. In the same post he says Rayn didn't take the claim at face value, then he says I pointed it out and suddenly it's true? Wtf. This needs explanation. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey
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I remember the game started 47 hours from now, but OP says its in two hours... | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote: Vayne looks bad. Sad that he is a lynch bait but I'm kinda OK with killing him. I don't understand at all his reasoning for voting me. First I'm scum then town, then I'm town, then I'm null, then scum again. And that's right when the wagon on me is about to start what is "lynchbait" to you? I have already stated that I have never been lynched while playing on TL...and yes I am jumping around on you a lot ill openly admit that. But I think the scummy qualities you are emitting override the town qualities you are emitting, I changed my opinion when vivax directed me toward the noir mafia game. | ||
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mkfuba07
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rayn pretty emotional about this. seems kinda invested. reaction really different from his one in roulette. Not sure if availability to play is a factor. Lazer's 6th post: Don't really understand why it's so scummy. I mean, he seems to make a series of assumptions that I probably wouldn't make, but I could see town doing it. Was hoping for something more compelling. Vayne's reaction to me: Eh, WoS seemed to feel that you were town in roulette, even though he kept pointing out how he could interpret your play as scummy. I trust his synopsis, because it was roughly in sync with what I felt in the middle of the game, after I played with you a while, and before I got all setup-crazy. Top scumread: rayn or stutters. They're kinda tied. gumshoe, regarding JJD: "Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" Was thinking of gumshoe as leaning town with some confusing/misguided reasoning, but this is really stretching for scumminess. I've seen plenty of townies say something like JDD did, and it was really only called into question when the person who said it was already scummy for other reasons. S0L: has a point about Lazer (in that what he said about rayn seems to come from a town perspective), but the point about rayn isn't entirely valid, imo. The thing about scum is that they know when they've been legit caught in a slip. And for me it's not entirely the fact that rayn instantly believed marv's claim, it's that he won't admit how much easier it would have been for marv to fakeclaim given that he didn't post his role name and presumably all of the millers have claimed if they were going to. S0L also makes some good points about stutters. rayn's read post: ugh, *now* he's unsure of marv? Regarding me: the people I commented on were the ones I'd given the most thought to at the time. Believe it or not, that post took me something like four hours to write, having to read through everything and analyze it. I didn't comment on people I hadn't given a lot of thought to, which included the most recent topics of discussion. This isn't anything new for me. I also never said I was good at reading WoS. I said he would probably reveal himself through his play, and as such wasn't really on my mind at the time. Finally, not adding anything to a case that I already find convincing isn't scummy. If I had anything to add, I would have said it earlier instead of saying I was leaning town on you. I intentionally avoided just repeating everything vivax and oats said, because it's a waste of time. I pointed out what convinced me, and moved on. As for WoS, he was completely off my radar, which isn't really a good sign in his case. Dove his filter *really* fast: D1 Roulette he was townie almost from the start. So far he's comparably a lurker, but his thoughts have been in line with my own many times throughout the thread. Possibly scum if his activity doesn't improve (anyone know if WoS lurks as scum?), but definitely not a lynch today imo. JJD is gonna need a filter dive as well as a reread of the cases on him, which I'm not doing at this exact moment. His responses to gumshoe's "implication post" make me lean townie on him, though. The rest is stuff that I've generally skimmed over because I know I'll have to go back and analyze it all together. JJD's JDD+gumshoe post: Pretty convincing. Why would town try to paint someone as scummy by pointing out something that they themselves would do in that situation? That's not town perspective. claiming names: Thought it looked like a good idea, but as JJD said, it would actually break the game, right? Stutters' case against me: in a following post. There's too much to respond to XD Followed by lots of stuff that I'm gonna have to read through again. Lemme know if you really want me to focus on something, apparently there's less time than I thought. Feeling most comfortable with a stutters/rayn lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
He was extra angry when he was scum though which is why I am concerned of his play here | ||
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marvellosity
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VayneAuthority
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raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Ow, missed that. Still WoS claimed that you had played a style that didn't "fit" TL and that the most townie you you played was when you was scum, guess I misinterpreted that. what is "lynchbait" to you? I have already stated that I have never been lynched while playing on TL...and yes I am jumping around on you a lot ill openly admit that. But I think the scummy qualities you are emitting override the town qualities you are emitting, I changed my opinion when vivax directed me toward the noir mafia game. Lol, I bet you didn't even open noir mafia. If you read some of the end game comments you'll see what Vivax said isn't true at all. We won that because town was lazy fuck. I had like 6 pages filter and was considered active in a game that went to D3. I wasn't good at looking townie. And even if I was, this is still a stupid conclusion to draw. Yhea, this guy looks quite townie, but he can play townie as scum as well so I'll lynch him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote: He claimed a townie. JJD has redeemed himself in the 2nd half of the day? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote: JJD has redeemed himself in the 2nd half of the day? He claimed vanilla guy, i am at least taking him at face value at this point as he did that ~8hours before the deadline (plenty of time to cc if he's scum). | ||
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