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Here's a summary of Lazer's play from my perspective:
First of all, I noticed that Lazer called his scumread Vayne a lynch bait, WoS called him out for it. Lazer said he can't be scum for that cause scum wouldn't call their targets lynch bait. That kinda gives me the impression that the two can't be scum together cause Lazer's answer was pretty defensive, but it's not to be taken for granted:
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I don't get how the sentences are contradicting each other : /. And its not really that much of WIFOM. If I am scum, couldn't I just say "hey, these posts by Vayne probably means he is scum" and then just push for his lynch, not giving a fuck? Instead I said "hey, these posts by Vayne are suspcious, but if he usually plays like this then its not that big of a scum tell".
And no, I'm obviously not giving him auto-town status just because he is a lynch bait, that would be retarded Lol. But there is a reason lynch baits are lynch baits. They get lynched.
Lazer starts with having stutters as scumread.
Goes on to call Vayne scummy.
Proceeds to write some stuff up against Oats (and gets mad when attacked)
"Checks this JarJar dude" after gumshoe posts his case. Makes a push out of it. Until this point, he doesn't write more about his former scumreads.
Afterwards claims he still has Vayne as scumread and would lynch him too.
Says I give him bad vibes for tunnelling.
His read on WoS goes from slightly scummy to neutral. He didn't communicate his thought process on the guy, he only talks about him when asked.
No pushes except for JarJar.
No questioning his scumreads.
Quote collection, chronologic:
Some good points raised by Ray regarding stutters! Let's get this wagon rolling, shall we?
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Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way.
WoS isn't contributing in anyway, which is bad. His posting is careless though and its bad no matter what alignment he is basically. Mildly suspicious.
On June 30 2013 19:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Is Vayne a lynch bait or something? Makes a post about why I am scummy for several bad reasons. Then what? nothing... He makes 4 addiotional posts but doesn't follow up at all. Thhese posts are just general BS about why we shouldn't policy lynch him and that gumshoe is town because Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now Pretty suspicious of him calling me out for not wanting to scum hunt, yet he doesn't follow up his own suspicions a singel bit. Why doesn't he try to convince others that I am suspicious rather than defend himself when he is in no danger of dying?
I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?
Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't.
And this is the last, go read his filter thx lol.
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On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.
I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?
Well I asked you out about some aspects.
You say it isn't analysis, to me it looked like analysis.
You say he posts fluff to join me in my case, I don't take for granted that he did it to look like he was contributing. He joined it mentioing the reasons that made him join it, that doesn't make him scum since town can have a motive to do that too (transparency).
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I am glad you guys settled your dispute, I kinda glazed over the whole rayn/miller thing as it wasn't too interesting to me but I get a town vibe from both vivax and rayn, although it has been proven I cannot read rayn in the past.
Since there seems to be some support for the lynch I will now cast my vote until WoS/lazer says anything.
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I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.
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Also I'm typing up some stuff in Lazer/WoS but I'm at work so it might be piecemeal. I'll try to get it out asap so we can figure this out.
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On July 02 2013 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I am glad you guys settled your dispute, I kinda glazed over the whole rayn/miller thing as it wasn't too interesting to me but I get a town vibe from both vivax and rayn, although it has been proven I cannot read rayn in the past.
Since there seems to be some support for the lynch I will now cast my vote until WoS/lazer says anything.
I wouldn't be Vivax without a heated discussion with other headstrong people 
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On page 15 and getting seriously bored with this miller shit
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On July 02 2013 04:15 marvellosity wrote:
On page 15 and getting seriously bored with this miller shit
Well finish quickly so I can start tunneling you.
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Yeah, Lazer is probably scum. I'm okay with murdering him.
Addition to Vivax' case (actually i think Vivax talked about it earlier, but just to clarify), Lazer says this:
Lazer: "marv did not claim his role name"
Lazer: "marv is probably town"
Vivax: "marv did not claim his role name, that's pretty scummy"
Lazer: "Good point!"
Now how does this make sense?
I don't like the fact that Lazer is not even trying to push Vayne lynch as he has seemingly been suspicious of him all the game because "noone else would vote for him anyways". Not even question him in any way.
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WoS & Fuba, wanna kill Lazer?
It really bothers me that Fuba, despite being asked multiple times, fails to comment on WoS.
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Day finishes in 1h 23 or so?
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I also don't like the fact that first Fuba says he understands why i think marv is town, but when Vivax makes his case on me he suddenly goes "oh yeah, those are good points, you can't think like that as town". Vivax presents an alternative thought process for me. Fuba has agreed it's possible that i have town!reasons for thinking marv is town, but suddenly the town!reasons that were there exist no more.
What do you think about what i just said Vivax?
At least i would never do that as town. If i have formed a read on someone for some reason i just don't drop those reasons instantly when someone gives an alternative read until something radical happens, and thread sentiment changing to think i am scum does not count, because that could be scum motivated.
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On July 02 2013 04:37 marvellosity wrote:
Day finishes in 1h 23 or so?
yes
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I can get behind that case. I hadn't noticed that but what bugged me about him was his refusal to really talk about me. He sheeped Rayn (understandable) but look at how he addresses me being scum.
Oats asked why I'm scum: "yhea, filters are really hard to read, no?" Dodges the question
"Stutters has done less scummy things than JJD" What things?
Coupled with Vivax's case, this seems like a good lynch.
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Fuck, i'm really torn between Lazer and Fuba right now. I doubt we get anything out from WoS, and i don't know what to think about that.
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Well, after reading through the last 10 pages here are my thoughts.
Rayn, Marv, Vivax and Oats are irrelevant for todays lynch. Even though I have some suspicions against Vivax he is not a realistic lynch at this point + these four guys are the ones who are going to get shot first if they are town.
Solstice looks good after a quick look.
Jarjar is close to confirmed atm.
Gumshoe is looking decent this far.
That leaves stutters, Vayne, fuba and WoS. First impression is that Vayne or fuba deserves my vote, but I'll be looking a bit closer into it now...
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On July 02 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also don't like the fact that first Fuba says he understands why i think marv is town, but when Vivax makes his case on me he suddenly goes "oh yeah, those are good points, you can't think like that as town". Vivax presents an alternative thought process for me. Fuba has agreed it's possible that i have town!reasons for thinking marv is town, but suddenly the town!reasons that were there exist no more.
What do you think about what i just said Vivax?
At least i would never do that as town. If i have formed a read on someone for some reason i just don't drop those reasons instantly when someone gives an alternative read until something radical happens, and thread sentiment changing to think i am scum does not count, because that could be scum motivated.
Well the case swayed quite a few people who seemed to have you as town before: stutters, lazer etc, although the two said I made good points but didn't join the wagon and instead retreated to give you a townread.
It also swayed fuba, but he actually did join the wagon.
If someone looks bad in this situation, it's rather lazer and stutters over fuba. Agreeing with my points and then hesitate to attack you at such an early stage is probably something scum is more likely to do.
Like, agree with the attacker, but also defend the "victim" at the same time. That is surely something that makes you look considerate and careful, especially when you know that both are town, and it allows you to switch stance later, without pissing off either of them.
Overall I didn't feel like lynching fuba from the start. I'll have another look at him though.
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Correction: Only stutters agreed with some of my stuff, not lazer.
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