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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. Also WOS can you be clear, what are you trying to say here? | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum. I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting? Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now? | ||
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Sorry I was writing from your perspective. You believe Marv is scum, do you think they're is no miller then? Or that the miller is waiting for something? If either of these are what your saying you've pretty much brought us back to the start but in a very roundabout way. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i just said Lazer might be town. BUT IF MARV IS MILLER HE HAS ZERO REASON TO DOUBT UN-CC'D COP! marv is not a miller and not town. If any miller is yet to claim they are retarded. 0_0, sorry, I'm slow. In small words why would Marv have no reason to doubt Lazer if hes miller? And yeah I agree, there is either no miller or Marv is miller. If Marv isn't miller though did he just make another ridicules balls to the wall claim this game? Havent you considered that extremely unlikely for some time now? | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why the gumshoe clause? What am I missing? Maybe he means I'm going to get role blocked/killed? | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it's extremely unlike the setup would be miller + no cop. If i was a miller i would 100% assume there is a cop. ooooooooooo fuuck thats so obvious. I'm an idiot. Still is it possible that maybe he doubts Lazers claim specifically rather than the existence of cop in general? Seems unlikely even so. Good catch I guess XD | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:20 Vivax wrote: Wait for the claim guys, it was actually stupid to not pick the order. Imo, let Fuba and WoS claim their names first next. Since I'm blue I may as well reveal, I'm Shoshana. I came out earlier because if I got shot I could trade 1 for 1 with scum without getting myslynched. Oh and worst case scenario I got to live another 72 hours, yaaaay. Lazer do you feel the need to let us know what you discovered last night? Were you role blocked? | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote: Pretty sure iGrok said that roleblocks don't notify in one of his clarification posts Yes but if your ability doesn't go through.... | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote: Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit. A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim? | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'd rather stop talking about all these claims and judge people by their play. How do you feel about lynching marv? I was gone during the vote sadly, so I was kinda shocked to see Vayne had been lynched. Looking back Marv didnt give great reasons as to why he felt this was so strong a choice. Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game. Vayne doesn't care about the game and Vayne is always at the forefront of town when he's town (and much less so as scum). I understand from something in his filter that he was away at some point, but having returned he's just given lists of people he's happy to lynch into and nothing else of substance. His standing in town is precisely the opposite of what I expect from town-Vayne and much more what I'd expect from scum-Vayne. This is pure Wifom. Disregard it. Also it was wrong. This is his other reason. I can't see why Vayne is town though. His last 4 or 5 posts in his filter are all saying he;s happy lynching into numerous people or giving reasoning without conclusions. This is the singular post in question in which Vayne does this. I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it Of the three here, nothing can be said against Fuba and Stutters that hasnt already been said and Vayne has gone at length about Lazer. So his reasonings for lynching Vayne come off as bullshiit. The only thing that happens four or five times is the amount of posts in which Marv says Vayne is super scummy rather than elaborating as to why he is. He also pretty much says hes not confident in the vote here. no, and my viewpoint is more uninformed than usual, in that I'm basically discounting people (fuba, gumshoe being two good examples) because I haven't got time to think about it properly. Yet he believes that he can and should be the one to decide and asks everyone to take a leap of faith for him. Just sheep me and I can deal with the flak whatever the flip is. Why did the guy coming into thread last minute feel comfortable pushing everyone to listen to him? After hes wrong does his posting somehow become indecisive? Does he appear in any way perturbed? No, he laughs at Vayne for raging and then gets right back to the game as if his and towns position has in no way been weakened. The whole wagon is so ridicules that I have to agree with what someone said earlier, if hes scum, scum lynch was probably on the line. Also as ridicules as the fact that he got this wagon rolling at all was that it worked. Why did Lazer join the wagon even though he had thoroughly discussed Vayne being lynch bait before hand? On the other side of it all we have the miller claim, another crazy ballsy move that speaks for itself. Honestly though if Marv is town hes playing a crazy game, if hes scum hes playing a crazy game as well. So lets forget the odds and the statistics for a moment. Is Marv a good scum player that can turn chaos to his advantage and convince people of his innocence through sheer bravado? Survey says yes. If you have any respect for Marvs play, you have to assume hes not town this game ) : cause this have gone to hell largely because of him and his efforts. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote: What have I done that's 'crazy', gumshoe? How is my behavioural analysis of Vayne WIFOM? It was a meta read, don't call it wifom when it isn't. Just because it was wrong doesn't make it crazy or wifom. This town has gone to hell largely because of my efforts? The fact that town sheeped me when I asked is indicative of a shit town who didn't have any of their shit together and sheeped someone who came back an hour before the lynch. Bullshit all you like but every townie's vote is their own. Fuck you man, go to hell. Theres a fine line between WIFOM and META and I think that line is right or wrong. You used something that wound up being false to make a lynch happen that otherwise shouldnt have happened. You need to be held accountable for that at least. Also Fuck you man, go to hell ouch man 0_0 ouch. Not cool at all ) : its an opinion in a game, I havent even lynched/shot you or your mafia buds yet XD | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote: because then it doesnt matter as much if the fakeclaimer died because they wont lose KP anyway. This is a MAIN POINT in your defence that its too risky and not enough benefit for scum to claim. WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY. Wos has now claimed second to last with no green townie spots remaining, he likely waited to see what was left and took the final blue spot thinking hed have a better chance fighting two to three blues then he would a single townie or convincing town hes survivor. Furthermore we pretty much KNOW for a fact Vivax is blue because a) A kp was blocked. b) the only other way a kp could be blocked is by survivor, and no one has claimed survivor. C) Vivak's claim was too quick to just be opportunistic and has not been counter claimed. Considering all these factors I can only conceive of two believable possibilities, a) Scum witheld kp so that Vivak could claim vet(would be so godamm awesome) b) Vivak is telling the truth. Vivak is 99.99999 percent vet. Which leaves me Lazer and WOS whose claim I didn't believe even before he made it. Also why block or hold WOS? What has he done to make himself look blue? Wos is asking us to believe two incredibly farfetched things. 1) He just happened to be last claim. 2) He was role blocked? meh and meh. Also why was Lazer not shot if he is detective? Was scum content role blocking him? I've already gone into why I think they'res little harm in keeping me around. At the moment I find WOS to be so scummy he actually eclipses Marv. Oh and good god Jar Jar are we agreeing on something? Perhaps you reavaluate your read immediately. ##Vote WOS | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:34 marvellosity wrote: ]There's not a fine line between wifom and meta. Stop just saying shit as if it's true. It was a legitimate summary of his past play and comparing it to this game, someone being involved or not isn't wifom. You're blaming me for a lynch as if no townie has ever lynched another townie or something? Again, hello, I have one vote only, I just pushed for what I thought was right. Where were you trying to care about the lynch? Oh, not there, I remember. Keep your own house in order before throwing stones. Where were you for 60 percent of this game? My house might be a bit disorganized and undergoing on and off again renovations but your house burnt down six months ago while you were too busy being not there. Also Canada day brah, respect. And I blame you for the lynch because you had no right making that call. You were the least informed yet you pushed Vayne and told town you'd take full responsibility for your shot in the dark and ended up depriving us of a Fuba(whose the only one who hasn't claimed yet) lynch or a Lazer lynch. Which is what would have happened if you'd just kept on keeping on. Now your shrugging it off as if isn't a big deal. Well it is. Your on the wayside right now though because WOS basically just revealed. So you have that to be grateful for. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't wait, I got home and claimed immediately. I mentioned I was going to be gone much earlier on in the day and I even asked people if they wanted to wait until I showed up to claim so something exactly like this wouldn't happen. I would have had no problem claiming first if I just so happened to be around. Ok let me remove the fluff. TLDR. You are asking me essentially to believe Lazer is scum, because I know Vivax is town or shiit is messed up. You are asking me to believe you got role blocked despite your play in no way being indicative of blue. And you are asking me to believe you just happened to claim the last blue spot. In light of your spotty town history I'm just not buying it / : in fact your claim just makes me believe Lazer might be town. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: Don't think I'm missing anyone here: marvellosity - Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz gumshoe - Shoshanna s0Lstice - Pierre LaPadite WaveofShadow - Sgt. Donny Donowitz mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Pfc. Andy Kagan Stutters695 - Vivax - Lt. Aldo Raine Lazermonkey - Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki JarJarDrinks - Pfc. Michael Zimmermann Fuba and Stutters need to claim. Townie points to whichever one claims first. Wait I was right sorry, Stutters claimed Omar. | ||
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