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Someone comment on this exchange:
On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. Show nested quote +And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question.
How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around.
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On July 01 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:JJ:Show nested quote +OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.
If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters?
I feel like I've answered this already. I agreed w/ your points about Rayn and originally thougt he was scum. But he's done alot since then to convince me otherwise. Like I said about Lazer, I don't thing scum would pile thier votes on me so early and I have a STRONG scumread on gumshoe. I'll go reread stutters but I've had him as solidly in my town column pretty much all game.
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On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way?
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On July 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why JarJar is scum in case someone missed it:
JarJar: "gumshoe is mafia for looking my certain posts from only from the scum perspective. He does not address how a townie could not make those posts."
JarJar: "rayn i think is town, but Vivax case is good" I already answered that. On July 01 2013 23:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place. The whole looking @ things from one perspective doesn't even compare. Look @ what I'm talking about in regards to gumshoe: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up  . I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? You really think that's similiar to what vivax is doing?
You keep bringing this up. I was only reference ONE POST that gumshoe made. I was never saying that was the only (or even the main) reason he's mafia.
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On July 01 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way? Of course it makes you scummy. As town you would say "i don't want to lynch rayn because i have a town read on him, therefore both of the suspects are probably town and we should lynch X because of Y". You are basically saying "i don't want to die, but i also don't want to do anything about it so i'll tell now that i will vote for rayn in the end, just that you know". I did say I don't want to lynch rayne because I have a town read on him. Right in the quoted post.
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Might as well post my role now. I'm Pfc. Michael Zimmermann
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Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better.
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On July 01 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD: But why was it a reason for him to be mafia?
Pretend that you know I'm a townie. You don't think it's scummy to try and imply that the reason I wasn't posting in the thread and just showed up was because a scumbuddy gave me a heads up? Like I already asked (and no one answered): What is the actual implication? That I was only following the scum thread and not the actual game thread? Why would I need a heads up to know that I had heat on me?
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I vote yes to mass claim. We will definately get counterclaims, meaning we choose a pair and @ worst get a 50/50 shot.
It also means that scum can't shoot into anyone that they claim giving the PRs a bit more power @ night.
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Say we lynch the wrong person. If we have a Vig, he takes a shot @ night. They can't roleblock if we also have a Parity Cop because the cop gets guaranteed scum by checking against marv.
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On July 02 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:
If the host guarantees that there is only one instance of each name though then it's worth the risk.
But most certainly he won't comment on something that is potentially gamebreaking. It's specific character names. I doubt there could be 2 of them or the role PMs would just say American Townie.
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No one else has any opinions? Scum is probably scrambling right now about what roles to claim.
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@gumshoe - opinion on mass role claiming?
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On July 02 2013 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar did you get any flavour text at least XD might help me swallow this. We're not supposed to I thought but yes I got flavor. Didn't you?
I'm actually worried that I wasn't even supposed to post what I did.On July 01 2013 09:35 iGrok wrote:
Game continues. Deadline will not be pushed back, as only ~ 2 hours we missed.
To reiterate, the game is now unpaused, please continue. Thanks for working with me to sort this out.
I do need everyone else to go ahead and send in their role PMs, and I have changed one rule in the OP:
It is no longer allowed to post your role pm. You may only post your role name. I'm thinking that the whole role name means I was only supposed to say "vanilla". Because I feel like the whole mass claim is kinda broken in this setup.
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On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
Well I mean, The monkey's out of the bottle. Who knows if I was gonna be able to get out of a lynch w/o my roleclaim. I'm pretty much doubting I was. The whole dynamic of the game is already changed.
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On July 02 2013 01:02 gumshoe wrote:
On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?. OK so here he's trying to sow seeds of doubt in the mass roleclaim plan even though it's been pretty much agreed on that it's an incredibly powerfull play. Like why mention those things and then vote yes?
And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. So then why vote yes? Vayne voted against it for this same reason. The only reason to vote yes is because he's scared to post anything that would apear to be anti-town.
He's knows the mass roleclaim is detrimental to scum. He'd trying to use 2 seperate excuses as to why we shouldn't do it and hoping that one of em sticks. The problem is those excuses directly clash with each other. Either it's a huge boon to scum or it's broken and cheap. How can it be both?
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So people don't like gumshoe as scum I guess? I'm not really crazy about any of the current wagons but if I had to choose I'd rather lynch WoS over Lazer or Vayne.
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On July 02 2013 05:43 Vivax wrote:
That reason with the massclaim thing isn't enough.
As said, gumshoe disagreed with doing it too.
But you don't seem to give a fuck about gumshoe. Not only that, but gumshoe didn't like it AND he voted for it. Here's my case again:+ Show Spoiler +On July 02 2013 03:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:02 gumshoe wrote:
On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?. OK so here he's trying to sow seeds of doubt in the mass roleclaim plan even though it's been pretty much agreed on that it's an incredibly powerfull play. Like why mention those things and then vote yes? Show nested quote +And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. So then why vote yes? Vayne voted against it for this same reason. The only reason to vote yes is because he's scared to post anything that would apear to be anti-town. He's knows the mass roleclaim is detrimental to scum. He'd trying to use 2 seperate excuses as to why we shouldn't do it and hoping that one of em sticks. The problem is those excuses directly clash with each other. Either it's a huge boon to scum or it's broken and cheap. How can it be both?
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On July 02 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
gumshoe's posting is too dense for me to have a proper opinion on it with the time I have remaining.
Here's more of my case against gumshoe (in addition to the mass claim stuff):
On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 12:00 s0Lstice wrote:
I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why. Glad u asked  . pretty sure gumshoe is scum All gumshoe has done is look for miniscule things that he can label piggybacker/flip-flopper/etc... And he's calling people out a bunch because of activity issues just because they leave the thread for a bit. Look @ all of these posts: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 13:04 gumshoe wrote:
My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 04:34 gumshoe wrote:
Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play. The town move would be to stay in chat, confront accusations and attempt to contribute and redirect town discussion, which Rayne has done (albiet somewhat unsuccessfully considering everyone and they're mom wont let the miller thing drop for an hour even). Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 05:02 gumshoe wrote:
I also am not dropping the case on you not because your generaly inactive, but because of a certain period in which you were inactive, a stretch of time wherein we could of used you to clarify things, contribute and clear your name, instead you vanished at a critical moment and that felt to me like you were trying to regroup with scum and wait things out. Which worked, nobodies really mad at you anymore, so of course your here now eager to help. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up . I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 12:37 gumshoe wrote:On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like
'Miller claim please'
'im miller'
'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong? Pretty much my reasoning a little whole ago XD but actively looking for miller as a bud isn't scummy, its neutral, I would rather see what stutters pops, because he's less of an asset. If he flips red I cant see Ryan being scum, if we blindly lynch Rayne and he's town that'll just suck. Basically I rather risk stutters before Ryane XD. And yes this game is about hunting scum, not doing risk assessment but Rayne looks suspicious because he's in to good a manufactured position and stutters looks suspicious because he's made a mistake. I find the latter usually more damming so I swing more scum on him at the moment and it doesn't hurt that were risking less. It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda. And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around. vote: gumshoe
On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around.
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