[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia

On July 07 2013 09:28 Xatalos wrote:
LOL

On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century.

On July 07 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game?

On July 07 2013 09:40 johnnywup wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about? I just checked your filter and your criticism of my asking the rules as my first post was YOUR first post. What are you even doing this game?

On July 07 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell.

On July 07 2013 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy I thought you were gonna nuke me wuts heppened?
Also don't tell anyone, but my nuke was fake. Vayne isn't actually going to die.

On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,

Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post?

On July 08 2013 05:27 geript wrote:

ON? Onegu or is that someone else?

On July 08 2013 05:31 geript wrote:

Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why?

On July 08 2013 05:38 geript wrote:

Two people who already been fingered at some point? Really that's all you've got? Like what do you think of M_Z, Austin, OriginalName and Onegu.

On July 08 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If MZ does not die to the nuke there is no way he is town.

On July 08 2013 06:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I have no idea the last game Ace was scum in.

On July 08 2013 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:

Have you dropped jonnywup or do you still think his query was lynchworthy?

Your filter isn't so great. (Feel free to inform me if mine sux) And please, you may think you have, but really elaborate on Caucasian. Not saying I particularly like his posting in here but you seem super lynch happy and I agree with the fire I have received for doing the same. So please, better cases, longer posts.

K thanks.

On July 08 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

What about them specifically? I don't see how you think it's enough to elaborate that you think it's not just a lurker lynch and then provide no reasoning.

On July 08 2013 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I SORT of get it I guess (I just found where you called his posts filler and the old drunk post) but what is inherently scummy about that?

On July 08 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry for triplepost. It couldn't have been Les, so I drunkposted as town.
So did BH.
Why is Caucasian's drunkpost different?

On July 09 2013 03:32 Z-BosoN wrote:


You. Check this out. What do you think of Alakaslam? He kinda wants you dead dude.

On July 09 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote:
Can we look at Vayne please? He still has not responded to my accusations.

Link 1
Link 2

On July 09 2013 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think anyone knows your playstyle.
That's why you get lynched every game as town.

On July 09 2013 11:03 Oatsmaster wrote:

he didnt in British 2.

I didnt read Les Mafia, educate me.

On July 09 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel's last scum game consisted of typing lawl and u mad? and fake claiming SK until he was finally lynched

so yea

On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu....

On July 10 2013 04:14 strongandbig wrote:


VA jumping in the middle of a meaningful interesting discussion to tell everyone to stop it and spout some nonsense about random lurkers. He scum yo

On July 10 2013 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Two kills? So scum got a Vigi or something? I dearly hope that one of those wasn't a town kill....

I'm really surprised by rayn though since he was getting a lot of flak tonight. And especially that I live still. Well, it's a relief I guess.

On July 10 2013 07:27 austinmcc wrote:
A 180 or a 360?

On July 10 2013 07:27 johnnywup wrote:
What changed your mind about me?

On July 11 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:
How would you interpret the votes if Maju is town? Scum?

On July 11 2013 10:55 austinmcc wrote:
Also, given that nukes go off at the end of the day, I don't think they're good for getting stuff to analyze halfway through. (I completely brain farted on that a moment ago)

On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju?

On July 11 2013 11:14 geript wrote:

Scum try to save lynchable town all the time. Him saving town doesn't automatically make him town. You should know this.

On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:

Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post.

I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see.
(1) He claims I am null to him.
(2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me.
(3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself.

He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum.

Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you.

On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:

I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player.

Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself."

I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.

On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:

I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player.

Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself."

I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.

On July 12 2013 03:17 Alakaslam wrote:

And what if maju is scum?

You lookin so scummy to me but whateffer.

On July 12 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:

Can you quote yourself on it?

I have gotten confused

On July 12 2013 03:57 Z-BosoN wrote:


Wait a minute... what did you claim?

On July 12 2013 03:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm thinking he's claiming Kenpachi, but he could also be leaving room for a war protestor claim. I don't think this changes anything. Xatalos' logic is perfectly sound and this claim does nothing to refute it.

On July 11 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Do Not Nuke Alakaslam Or Onegu

On July 12 2013 04:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Veyne might be trying to smarty us as scum. I said I wanted to "Save him for later" in d1 because I thought he claimed cop:



raincheck = Rayne Check!

This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying:



Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check"

And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here

On July 12 2013 04:10 FirmTofu wrote:

Totally different situations. Alakaslam and Onegu specifically hinted to one specific role. They have multiple posts breadcrumbing their roles. I don't have a strong case on either one of them. I have a strong case on you. There is strong logic that indicates you are scum and/or that your lynch would tell us a lot about other people's roles.

On July 12 2013 04:30 Z-BosoN wrote:


Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured?

On July 12 2013 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:


Wait, you clearly wanted the rayne thing to stop, but because you were angry it clogged up discussion. This is pretty clear from both these posts that followed:





Nowhere (correct me if I'm wrong) did you mention that "rayne does this type of shit as town all the time" during the discussion on his shenanigans, or express your supposed confidence that he was town. Only after he died, you go ahead and say that you knew this all along:



I dunno, I think that if I thought someone was "pretty clearly town" I'd be more insistent on defending said person, instead of simply saying "hey, let's stop talking about him".

Answer me one thing, just to be clear. You said that you dunno if it's just scum trying to clog up the thread, in the bolded part. Who are you referring to?

On July 12 2013 07:03 Ace wrote:
Yea that DI/ON lynch was legit. We've got lots of stuff to go over. MG also in trouble. Maybe VA.

On July 12 2013 07:17 Ace wrote:
I may. MG is still the prime target but I'm going to have to break some stuff down because the way I've been playing up to now I've focused some of the past few days on players in that list with the exception of the lurkers.

On July 12 2013 07:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


There are 15 names and Chezinu is on there twice.

Quote before you copy, it conserves strikethroughs and such

On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim?

On July 12 2013 07:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
People seem to forget something.
The people on the DI lynch are far from clear.
Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him.
I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish.

On July 12 2013 22:12 Z-BosoN wrote:


Why geript? What do you think makes him scum?

On July 12 2013 22:23 Onegu wrote:
Oh I visited Firm Tofu, I think he is scum and if he flips town the VA is most likely scum.

On July 12 2013 22:25 Z-BosoN wrote:


Wait I thought geript shot down a nuke headed for jampidampi, no?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=116#2303

On July 13 2013 08:30 Ace wrote:
who is around right now? I wanna check something.

On July 13 2013 08:42 Ace wrote:
Austin, you knew about the existence of them before they were first launched.

On July 14 2013 12:02 geript wrote:
@Whoops, ace wasn't killed because he's either scum or they knew the nuke was fake. I'm leaning the latter which makes Stutters scum. Plus, as town "Toy factory" during D1 after the radiation nuke reveal stuff (after Xat's claim) he would be at 0 cost to claim and confirm. Instead he's convinced DI was scum for no reasoning and continues to be more worthless than a pine cone after you take a shit.

On July 14 2013 13:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Is it possible that they're both town?

On July 14 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:
I really dont understand why give it to ace if he had ace as town, why wouldnt you give it to a scum and see where it is aimed?

On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see.

On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

D 1 Stutters is town and was telling the truth and gave town Ace a fake nuke to see what he would do with it. (No fucking clue why)
2 Same as above but Ace is scum ---> ends up being same as A.
If you're going to consider options, consider all of them, including ones that don't fit your plan.

On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

dud = shit that doesn't work

On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

Where does it say it doesn't actually launch?
It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud.

On July 14 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:

Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever)
You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct?

On July 14 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

But if what you're saying is true then Stutters has lied about his claim. There is no town motivation I can think of for that which makes Stutters scum 100%.

On July 14 2013 14:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

So you think it's possible that after being caught with the real roleclaim he THEN lied and is not a Toy Store.

Alright I suppose I follow but that is some convoluted shit right there. There is certainly some 'really fucking unlikely' going on there, and I don't think it's on the same level as Roulette at all.
What do you think the correct play is, Vayne?

On July 15 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, scratch the silent nuke stuff. My action resolves at the same time a nuke would be made, so me raiding someone means they'd still have any nukes they made.

Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA.

On July 15 2013 02:22 austinmcc wrote:
I raided you N1, stutters N2.

We saw silent nukes D1, D2, nothing D3.

IF a raid shut down silent nukes, it would be the raid on you, because a factory still produces a nuke on the night that it's raided. Therefore, if stutters produced silent nukes each cycle/night, he would have one today, as he was only raided last night. If you produced silent nukes, you would have had one yesterday, the one made during D1/N1, but not one today.

On July 15 2013 02:56 johnnywup wrote:

how does that mean that theres something fishy at all? it's a closed setup..

On July 15 2013 05:35 austinmcc wrote:
You're sure I'm scum. How do you feel about snb?

On July 15 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
Why? Why do you read him as town?

On July 15 2013 05:42 austinmcc wrote:
So he's either a mislynch (town) or scum bussing (scum). Congratulations, snb is almost certainly town or scum. What do you think he is and WHY?

On July 15 2013 07:07 johnnywup wrote:
IT'S NOT OVER YET GUYS PLEASE STOP TALKING LIKE THAT

On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As much as I love being confirmed town and not obligated to post anything useful, here are some rationales

Stutters All he's done is lurk and admit his role is to give fake nukes to people. As a towny, this role has questionable use other than trolling. He could give them to scummers but scummers already have silent nukes. So he could just give it to someone he thinks is a scummer and watch who he hits, learning who is town through multiple layers of WIFOM, enough to make the reads those nukes give questionable. If he gives them to towns, well that just hampers the town effort.

Note that a Cheap Chinese Nuke Manufacturer could be a blue role. You vig your townreads and hope that they can kill a scum or two with your nukes, but no guarantees the nukes work. A Toy Store has no benefit to town.

Chezinu I just don't like him. First he speaks in ways that make no sense to me and then he lurks for the second half of the game. His voting patters combined with general ninjavoting suggest to me, as well as spoilering his townreads, suggest to me that he doesn't actually want to push anything and can just settle for someone else pushing the wrong person and then piggybacking on that wagon.

strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing.



Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer.

On July 16 2013 04:52 johnnywup wrote:

You don't trust anyone?

On July 13 2013 08:36 VayneAuthority wrote:



alright so lets roll through this finally, just some food for thought.

On the ON lynch we have rayn, Xat, and Tang who flipped town. We also have Dandel/xig which flipped scum.

To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes...


First voter - Austin = scum.

second voter - Chezinu = scum.

third voter - Rayn = town.

fourth voter - dandel = scum.

fifth voter - Xat = town.

sixth voter - FirmTofu = town.

now where it gets interesting. Alaskazam votes for it then immediately goes back to a useless lynch, realizing that they don't need his vote and he does not want to be associated with this lynch.

Alaskazam = scum.

The remaining = Geript, ghost(Koshi), Gumshoe, Johnnywup, Onegu

Most of the scum have got to be here -_- doubt its the ones towards the end because there's no reason to vote onto a mislynch after its already secured.

Obviously I am wrong on some of these reads but lets really look into their motives here...

On July 16 2013 06:42 austinmcc wrote:

LOOK AT YOUR POST.

You say that a lynch between Chezinu and dandel was a "scum or scum lynch." AT NO POINT DO YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS THE CASE.

READ YOUR POST. YOU SAY THAT CHEZ/DI IS SCUM/SCUM, WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION FOR WHY CHEZ IS SCUM.

On July 16 2013 06:43 johnnywup wrote:
you just assume chez is scum how the fuck is that explaining it vayne -.-

On July 16 2013 06:44 austinmcc wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the much-vaunted VA "analysis"

On July 16 2013 06:47 austinmcc wrote:

I'm not going to insult you. Saying chez v. DI is a scum vs scum lynch does not explain why he's scum.

Saying "Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself" does not explain why chez is scum. Voting for ON over DI makes someone 100% scum? If so, congratulations, you just caught an ENORMOUS scum team because we lynched ON D1. Clearly, not everyone voting ON is scum, and voting ON does not MAKE someone scum.

At no point in that post do you actually explain why Chez is scum. If your reason for thinking chez is scum is that he voted ON and not DI, then you KNOW you are wrong, because plenty of people voted ON and they can't be scum.

On July 16 2013 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Which is something to indicate that chez may be scum. But it doesn't magically make him 100% scum. Same way as me pushing ON rather than just voting DI doesn't actually make me scum. I just made a dumb decision.

He's content to go "chez voted A and not B on D1, therefore he's my scumread for 2 more days, and I just won't analyze any other lynch candidates."

On July 16 2013 06:59 geript wrote:

Are you sure about this? I mean is trusting yourself a good idea?

On July 16 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
So here we go incase I get a courtesy deathwish - My final reads from this point out, we have enough information.

Koshi

Austinmcc

Chezinu

Majugarzett

Pretty sure there's 6 scum so I am unsure of the last one.

Somewhere between Alaskazam, Z-Boson, and Stutters I guess....maybe Johnny.

On July 15 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
ill be on Chezinu, dude is scum. It's not a coincidence that he would vote for ON and not dandel to save himself, the case is in my filter somewhere. 95% sure.

#vote: Chezinu