[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia

On July 05 2013 00:32 CaucasianAsian wrote:
is it too late to join? if not

/in

On July 05 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:
You're free to signup, Alakaslam.

On July 05 2013 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
You don't need to EBWOP pre and post-game, btw <3

On July 05 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
sry you're not allowed bbygrl x

On July 05 2013 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

Dick move, marv.

On July 05 2013 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why kanopy whyyyyyyy
I'm already gonna have like 5 people in this game gunning for me right off the bat, you gotta contribute to this delinquency?

On July 05 2013 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:

Can we start forming post-apocalyptic factions pregame?
Me and you can nuke all the LoL players that are out to get me, k?

On July 05 2013 03:28 geript wrote:
See, WoS we already have 3 in our group. Who else wants to join the Team Amurixo alliance of joint mutual destruction?

On July 05 2013 03:02 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
/in

On July 05 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote:


CLEARLY SK MULTI NUKE PLANAR DARGON ##VOTE DANDEL ION

On July 06 2013 14:39 geript wrote:
Just play both, we'll just nuke your ass asap

On July 07 2013 14:06 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Wow just woke up. There is so much random rambling in here so far.

On July 07 2013 10:39 geript wrote:
@Teng, what do you think of WoS and why?

3. Why does Alakaslam's martyring make him look scummy?
It's like a preemptive defense that an innocent player would not need. I mean c'mon, would you or I leave the thread and feel the need to defend ourselves in case someone attacked us while we were gone? Townies get called scum all the time, but they have an inherent innocence about their defense because they know the accusations are wrong. Scum know deep down the accusations are right and thus have this inherent guilt. That's why martyring is scummy, it shows that inherent guilt.

On July 05 2013 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:
May I learn from watching the greats within!

On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:
His case feels a little weak:

On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so I just went down the line of filters:

Dandel: Made a statement about afking through the day phase and has thus far followed through with it. His play is very different from town Dandel and I would not at all be opposed to seeing him lynched.
Verdict: Possible Scum


Ghost_403: No posts
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass

Oatsmaster: his only post thus far has been nuking johnnywup. He really needs to post more because right now he really leaves a lot to be desired… especially since I’m not ruling out his nuke being the one that’s aimed at me.
Verdict: Null

Stutters695: Two posts, one saying he’s awake and the other saying he’s reading the thread. Would love to know what information he gleaned from his read through.
Verdict: Null

Z-Boson: No posts
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass

Abenson: Two posts, one talking about how shitty the thread is and one speculating on the setup.
Verdict: Possible Scum

Meapak: Fantastic posts, truly enlightening filter, someone every mafia play should aspire to.
Verdict: Towniest Townie who ever Towned

Ace: decent posts, isn’t reading the thread very well, but most definitely isn’t scum for easily noticeable meta reasons. Seriously if you doubt me on this one just go look at any Ace scum game ever and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Verdict: Probably Town

MajuGarzett: Two utterly worthless question posts.
Verdict Possible Scum

Johnnywup: Really not as bad as people kept making him out to be. Sure his entrance post wasn’t good but he’s obviously trying and does not seem defensive or inherently guilty. He just looks like any regular noob player who rolled town.
Verdict: Probable Town

Onegu: See this is a point in which I wish this was a PM game because I’d love to organize some pressure against this dude to see how he reacts. His posts have a very vague feel to them but there’s nothing there yet that I would call definitively scummy. I guess the best I can do is keep an eye on him and see what happens:
Verdict: Null

Geript: I’m eager to see his reasoning behind the list of people he wants to lynch but overall I feel very good about him this game. He’s posting well and is thinking along the same lines I am. Also after being scum with him in the last game, his behavior is so different this game I just have to use a little meta.
Verdict: Probably Town

VayneAuthority: hmm tricky one. On one hand his posts feel very natural and open which is good because it means he’s not hiding anything but on the other hand he’s been useless thus far. He’s another one I’m going to have to wait and see on.
Verdict: Null

Strongandbig: only just started playing, I’ll wait and see.
Verdict: Null

Gumshoe: I actually agree with s&b that gumshoe’s constant talk of nukes is odd but I don’t think it’s damning. Aside from the nuke talk I actually didn’t really have any problems with gumshoe.
Verdict: Possible Town

OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things.
Verdict: Probably Town

TanGeng: For someone who doesn’t have a lot of posts this dude is surprisingly coherent and smart.

Verdict: Possible Town

Xatalos: this bro and I are dying which is too bad because he’s def town
Verdict: Probable Town

CaucasianAsian: One post talking about the thread.

Verdict: Someone vigi his ass

Alakaslam: For all the pregame spam he had he’s been very quiet now that the actual game has started. That coupled with his little martyr post (watch me be scummy by tomorrow morning) tells me that I should fulfill his prophecy.
Verdict: Possible Scum

WaveOfShadow: last game as scum I wrote what I thought was actually a very decent piece of analysis (albeit fake) against WoS. I see him doing a lot of stuff that I had brought up in my analysis again which makes me think we’re dealing with a town WoS
Verdict: Probably Town

Jampidampi: New player, don’t recognize him, he at least seems like he’s trying to play the game.
Verdict: Possible Town

Raynpelikoneet: lolscum
Verdict: Probably Scum

Nirvana.Gabo: promised to be active, he has a few more hours left of grace period.
Verdict: Null

FirmTofu: said he needed a few minutes to read the thread, never got back.
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass

Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one.
Verdict: Possibly Town

Austinmcc: need to see some activity bro :/ I liked it when he was posting but now that it slacked off a bit I don’t like the feeling. If Austin comes back I’ll feel much better, if he stays away I’ll start thinking scum.
Verdict: Null

Ok so tl;dr
Probably scum: raynpelikoneet
Possible scum: Danel, abensen, MajurGarzett, Alakaslam
Null: oatsmaster, stutters, onegu, vayneauthority, strongandbig, Nirvana, austinmcc
Possible town: gumshoe, TanGeng, jampidampi, Chez
Probably town: Ace, Johnnywup, geript, originalname, xata, WoS
Towniest townie who ever town: Meapak_Ziphh

Vigi these lurkers ASAP: ghost_403, Z-Boson, CaucasianAsian, FirmTofu

On July 08 2013 09:07 austinmcc wrote:
Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is.

On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.

Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?

On July 08 2013 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
If anyone gets cold feet on this shit let it be known that I am down for a Caucasian or dandel lynch as well, after reading up on the recent back and forth this is kinda textbook dandel scum from playing scum with him

On July 07 2013 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is horrible.

I'm starting to think you really are scum lol

On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Nobody listen to this.

This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.

On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's not in itself, but if someone (in this case Xatalos, who is likely to be town) says he can meta read gumshoe and is wrong about it (as gumshoe thinks), why would you correct that statement of Xatalos'? If you were mafia and Xatalos is town, why would you not let Xata have his wrong line of thinking that makes you look town to him if you know your scum meta is in fact different? What's the point of correcting him and possibly give him a reason to think you are mafia later on when you don't have to do that? That is my reasoning.


This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread.

About Chezinu and his nuke:

If Chezinu is town:
- Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke?
- Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched.

Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already.

If Chezinu is mafia:
- Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit!
- Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit!
- Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke".

There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all.

Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit.

If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong.

On July 08 2013 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sup biddies I'm back, anything going on?

On July 08 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

Compare how NG writes to Alakaslam.
NG has initmate knowledge of playstyles and games, Alakaslam (no offense) reads the games and tries to look like a vet by trying to get in on in-jokes and name-dropping.
No comparison.

On July 08 2013 16:14 Chezinu wrote:




YEAHAHH!!!! GHOST BUSTERS!!!!

On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:


To expand on this, this set of quotes:



NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine.
Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all?
When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer.
scum.

Chezinu: After the possible nuking period is over (in some hours), i expect you to give your clear reasoning for nuking Xatalos over anyone else in the game. If you do not give that, i will be lynching you until you die and i encourage everyone else to do so. Right now you are only flip-flopping around the question, saying "i am dead already" (lol, people take this at face value??). I don't care if you had to launch your nuke or not, i care about why Xatalos was in your opinion the best target of all the people.

Oats i am not scum. Why do you think Johnny is scum?

Alakasam is either scum or terribad.

On July 08 2013 16:27 Onegu wrote:


Wait so you are just going to put your vote down on someone lurking for a policy lynch?

You give no reason for doing so you just fish for thoughts on it. Here is my thought you just voted random one of the lurkers for absolutly no reason. Why him and not dandol or anyone else for that reason?

On July 08 2013 16:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That's a mean thing to say about chez alakaslam...

Also it'd be Чезину

On July 08 2013 16:46 Chezinu wrote:

Why would Чезину know how to speak multiple languages?

On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:

Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this?

Why would Vayne...
1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is.
2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics.
3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content"

We need to lynch this guy ASAP.

On July 08 2013 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.

On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me.

On July 08 2013 17:38 MajuGarzett wrote:

On Onegu? His vote switch seemed to fit with my read, it would be dumb not to point it out. What would be the point in not highlighting evidence? And it seemed the most relevant topic in the thread at the time.

On July 09 2013 01:26 Z-BosoN wrote:
I won't dig too much into meapak right now, his filter seems ok.

One thing that is bothering me a LOT is Alakaslams posting. He pummels me asking for more quality from a few posts of mine yesterday, is pretty oppressive on my "17%" joke, complaining that most of the thread is fluff:




Yet his own posting quality is very fluffy. He isn't trying to steer discussion anywhere that is useful. Anyone familiar with his playstyle feels like commenting?

On July 09 2013 02:43 Xatalos wrote:


Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched.

On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote:


umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions...




okay

vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line


apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked.

who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland

what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos

On July 09 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
Can people please stop posting in foreign languages? The rules in the OP don't forbid it, but most games now come with a "don't encrypt" warning, and some past game involved people speaking in a foreign language as a form of soft-encryption.

Especially when we're converting things like "Chezinu" to other languages, there's no reason to bother doing that and it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.

On July 09 2013 04:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Dandel Ion is looking more and more like an easy scum misdirect.

Scum Thought Process: Let's find the one townie that is lurking and easy to lynch; that way no one will scumhunt and we can shift pressure off of us.

On July 09 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh I forgot you weren't lynched in I Swear.

On July 09 2013 05:07 Chezinu wrote:

Don't worry, you have an alliance with me.

On July 09 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also think its hialrious that so many people are so sure DI wagon is a mislynch yet clearly a wagon that pops up with 2h to go that everybody jumps on isn't.

Lol.

On July 09 2013 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Too bad that besides Chezinu i think everyone voting for ON are town.

ALASKASLAM: EXPLAIN YOUR VOTING BEHAVIOUR IMMEDIATELY!

On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:


My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment.

At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's.

It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities.

On July 09 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
To ... Chez and I think JW, whoever claimed having unstable nukes with a 48-hour limit.

Did you have a single unstable nuke, like TanGeng, or do you produce them daily like ON?

On July 09 2013 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
The question was the general "Did you have A nuke, or do you make more." Yes, he made every 2 cycles, but I want to know whether we have a bunch of gotta-shoot nukes again or no.

On July 09 2013 09:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
How about everyone give their opinions on rayn since that's actually more of a pressing issue.

On July 09 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Best possible idea everest! GO!

On July 08 2013 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:


This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot.
Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ).

On July 09 2013 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Guys.
Why would scum rayn claim a nuke that hit town?

On July 09 2013 10:59 Ace wrote:
I was actually going to suggest rayne for lynch tomorrow since he was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around. ON was here defending himself and still kept getting votes, while DI disappeared.

Now rayne admits to nuking MZ. I think this is actually a far worse offense than the DI thing since I didn't see him with any prior suspicions on MZ. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

On July 09 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WaveofShadow: Answer me this.

I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia?

On July 09 2013 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's another choice exerpt, btw:
DandelionPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2013
06:37 PM ET (US)
it's consistent, vayne really has no idea how to play.

but it got him townreads, so that's cool.


Again, what I always tell my mafia teams:
If you want towncred bus me.
I will get lynched.
It's inevitible.
If you want I'll bus you back, that's optional.

On July 09 2013 11:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
there's a fairly large scumteam so they have the ability to shift lynches pretty easily, especially this early in the game. I would be shocked at this point if dandel didn't flip scum. The real question is of the people that voted for ON last second who are actually scum? I'd say probably about 4 of them. There's probably some scum with more important roles on dandel or wasting their votes. probably around 2-3. I'd say is a 6 or 7 man scumteam is reasonable here

On July 09 2013 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is Alakaslam scum geript?

On July 09 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
So does the fact that he is aware he is playing differently affect your read on him?

On July 09 2013 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so for the people wanting to know why rayn is scum for mentioning the failed nuke, its pretty obvious. He's doing it to call into question me and WoS. Let's face it, until he claimed I was 100% confirmed town and WoS was nearly confirmed as well. I actually brought this up at one point about how me xata and wos were all kinda confirmed. Thats a lot of people for scum to kill so simply by revealing that it was him, rayn throws doubt back on WoS and I. Now I'm not gonna argue WoS made a subpar redirect but I don't think that condemns him and yet rayn tries to call both of us scum based on it. Its funny how I go from a town read to a scum read so fast for rayn. A townie mindset would demand a more careful examination of the facts and its a townie mindset to hold onto your reads. This is why its so weird that rayn shows no hesitation to call me scum because of WoS's failed action.

Lets also examine the timing of his claim. It wasn't a "oh hey guys I'm sorry my bad" during the day when he supposedly had a town read on me, it instead came after the lynch when he could use that claim to throw dirt on WoS and I. Again, scum motivation vs town motivation.

Finally, read rayn's filter and look at just how many times he talks about me. He's constantly trying to get people to "give him their thoughts" with a goal of getting a wagon started. I called him scum and he tried to discredit me without being obvious. I backed off of him and I suddenly became a town read.


Alakaslam I'm a sad panda that we can't talk in russian anymore, can you give me a russian подарок (it means present austin )

On July 09 2013 16:19 CaucasianAsian wrote:


I have only played 2 previous games of mafia online, and quite a few live. It's played so differently online as opposed to live (can't say things like: you had to think about that! You're mafia!). Honestly, I don't really know how to approach all of this.

On July 10 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im gonna sleep,
dont do stupid shit guys.

On July 10 2013 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To all you idiots who didn't want to lynch dandel yesterday.

Look at what he's done since and justify your decision.

On July 10 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sorry guys I'm currently busy in the name of justice.

On July 10 2013 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Don't feed the troll (he says, despite posting a response)

On July 10 2013 05:34 Alakaslam wrote:




He is trying to bury important things, of course....

Dang everyone read pages 72-75, and then 87-90, at the least. Better to read 72-89, but that is a helluva lot.

Onegu, just no. This is helpful.

On July 09 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:



Why dont you say what you want us to see, really bad to just say go look.





Alakaslam are you trying to play different by makeing zero reads, sheeping answers, and posting fluff? Please its not like that.

On July 10 2013 05:50 Xatalos wrote:


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Why not point out something interesting about those pages rather than spamming the page numbers? What you're doing helps nobody and achieves nothing.

On July 10 2013 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
I will admit that I have a hard time figuring out if you're actually getting at something in particular or no. You find these pages, and the page sets you've referenced earlier, to be important because of specific posts or specific things that happen? Like...it would be helpful if you either got to where you're trying to go, or possibly changed tracks and got somewhere in general. I just can't tell what you're trying to do fully.

As best I can tell, but don't know explicit page numbers, good spots to look are where ACTION took place. Chez's nuke and the following calls for him to be nuked or not. Redirects/saves/claims concerning those. People's reasons for hopping on the ON wagon/off the ON wagon.

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That account was created on 2010-11-19 08:55:43 and had 6697 posts.

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On July 09 2013 16:15 CaucasianAsian wrote:
wow 20+ pages of stuff to go through... welp.

On July 10 2013 05:59 austinmcc wrote:
I think those pages are somewhat important. But I don't think it's helpful to note that they exist.

It's like posting that there are scum in this game and we should find them. It's true, but we know that. If there's something specific that you want to get into within those pages, bring it up. If there's someone who addressed those pages in a weird way or not at all, and you want to point that out, bring it up. But just noting that those pages exist and are important doesn't really affect the thread.

On July 10 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alakaslam:
You are pointing people to read those pages a lot. What is YOUR CONCLUSION OF THINGS HAPPENED THERE?
This is the last thing you have said regarding it:

What do you think? Or do you need so assistance before you can say what do you think and if so, why?

On July 10 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Careful with vayne he looks scummy every game (except last game where he was lynched lol)

On July 10 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Once again and for the last time. See what Ace is saying here:

When raynpelikoneet claimed he nuked Meapak, he created a lie under no pressure, knowing that he has said something else early in the game, because apparently MZ is going to catch him somehow (of something not explained - but which would not exist without the claim???), and then he made a back up plan for the lie he purposely and unnecessarily created himself as mafia.

If someone can tell me how this is a town!thoughtprocess, i'm all ears.

On July 10 2013 10:50 Ace wrote:
I'm around for a bit as I'm taking a break from a brutal day. Any questions for me shoot.

On July 10 2013 11:44 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Ok, where we are standing:
+ Show Spoiler +

Good morning. a bit surprised on the scum kills, but ok.

On July 10 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
where is xigxag?

On July 09 2013 07:48 gumshoe wrote:


I just voted with who I thought was town. I havent actually caught up on the thread though seeing as I'm a litte hung up on losing Basterd and not getting any nukes. Though I'm hoping not to massively disappoint you again in the exact same matter XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline.

Mean time same deal as before, any direct requests?

On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:

ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

DI wagon:

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.

The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.

Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.

@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.

On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:

Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post.

I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see.
(1) He claims I am null to him.
(2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me.
(3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself.

He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum.

Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you.

Original Message From marvellosity:
You are a Russian Technician! Working for the motherland, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2.

Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
Your Nuclear Facility has been raided by a War Protestor. It has been destroyed and will not produce any nukes.

On July 11 2013 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah where the fuck is gumshoe? He was really active his last game.

On July 11 2013 14:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I have a question. If anyone can answer please do.

Do you think the ability to launch radiation nukes is alignment indicative? If so, which alignment do you think they would be on?

This is pretty critical to what I'm about to post soon, so if anyone can give me some input, it would be much appreciated.

On July 11 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote:
Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night.

On July 11 2013 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Pfffft... Well kind of scratch that^^, kind of "hey toldyabro!!!!"

Bah! I just find it so unlikely he flips scum 3 games in a row XD I am back to null. Dang it!

On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town

On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours.

On July 11 2013 15:33 CaucasianAsian wrote:







I'm confused... does this not look sketchy to anyone else?

On July 11 2013 15:40 Onegu wrote:


I believe your factory was blown up and I believe you could make nukes, doesnt take much to change the color. I just dont like your play compared to last game where you scum hunted. And your refusal to give a reason for the vayne vote.

On July 09 2013 03:32 Z-BosoN wrote:


You. Check this out. What do you think of Alakaslam? He kinda wants you dead dude.

On July 11 2013 15:54 Onegu wrote:
I am still trying to get my head around the rayn fake claim thing I am just going to re read the whole thread.

On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
4. Stutters695
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
19. CaucasianAsian

5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
13. VayneAuthority
22. jampidampi

On July 11 2013 20:54 jampidampi wrote:
So apparently there was somesort of case on me. Let's start by noting how filled it is with confirmation bias.
+ Show Spoiler [cause it's long] +
Then for the actual response.
+ Show Spoiler [cause this is long too] +

On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote:
I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target.

There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment.

If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared.

If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam?

Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch.

On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote:

four, at least


also im voting va

##vote: vayneauthority

i think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him.

On July 12 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote:



Did you just claim?

Oh and I am re reading the thread now on page 81, but also checking in to refresh the page and see new content.

On July 12 2013 02:27 geript wrote:

Have you played with Maju before? Why would you think this?

On July 12 2013 02:40 geript wrote:
@Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me?

On July 12 2013 02:42 Koshi wrote:
I officially voted for MajuGarzett. I think I will only change it if suddenly an insane train for FirmTofu starts.

On July 12 2013 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea don't block the jampi nuke whoever was thinking of doing that, if we missed on maju there's a good chance jampi is scum

On July 12 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
And I dont really see how pre flip association is scummy, Idk why you guys keep saying that. It's a towntell if anything since I don't have any of the answers.

On July 12 2013 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that.

On July 12 2013 06:31 FirmTofu wrote:

Yeah... I just moved him from scummy to null read. What is happening...

On July 12 2013 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

nuke into that.

On July 12 2013 07:15 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu and Alakaslam are no longer confirmed town. I made an assumption about the theme that I shouldn't have. We need to look into them carefully now.

On July 12 2013 07:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
People seem to forget something.
The people on the DI lynch are far from clear.
Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him.
I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish.

On July 12 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Voting Analysis:
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

jampidampi (12): FirmTofu, Chezinu, austinmcc, Xatalos, FirmTofu, geript, johnnywup, Z-Boson, VayneAuthority, geript, Koshi, Onegu, Stutters695, Ace, Alakaslam

MajuGarzett (3): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, [UoN]Sentinel, jampidampi, WaveofShadow, geript, Ace, Alakaslam, Koshi, johnnywup, Alakaslam, geript

Day 1:
OriginalName vs Dandel Ion

We know the alignments of both people. We can infer that scum would probably not want to be bussing on day 1, when it is not absolutely necessary. Therefore, the people on the Dandel wagon are extremely likely to be town and the people on the ON wagon are probably around an even split between town and scum.

The scummiest people on the ON wagon are those who pushed it to save Dandel from death. That includes me, but because I know I am town, I will exclude myself from this analysis.

Remember, the deciding votes are especially important.

In my opinion, these are are people coming off as scummy from the ON lynch (from most scummy to least):
ghost_403/Koshi
Alakaslam
gumshoe
Onegu
geript
Chezinu
austinmcc

Alakaslam is a funny one. He initially hopped on the Dandel lynch when he thought it was inevitable. Then, when it looked like ON was picking up steam, he hopped on that lynch. Finally, when the lynch was imminent, he jumped over to Vayne to appear like he had nothing to do with the mislynch. It feels like he knew what the flip would be beforehand.

Day 2:
This day is a bit harder to analyze. We know that Maju is somewhat more likely to be scum because of the flip but we can't be certain.

People coming off as scummy from the jampi lynch (from most scummy to least):
Onegu
Alakaslam
ghost_403/Koshi
geript
(gumshoe for not voting)

These are basically the people that couldn't decide one way or another until the lynch was already decided. They just jumped onto the wagon with the most votes and hoped that no one would care. This signifies apathy and is somewhat suggestive that these players are trying to more concerned about staying in the town's "good books" as long as possible instead of scumhunting.

I no longer think Vayne or Ace are scum.

On July 12 2013 11:37 johnnywup wrote:
Discussing townreads at night feels counterintuitive. Alakaslam, who do you think might be scum? Anyone who is not on that list?

On July 12 2013 11:41 FirmTofu wrote:

Don't worry Alakaslam, you are playing well.

I have a few questions for you.
Why do you place me on your town read list? The flips should incriminate me, not exonerate me. You found me scummy during Day 2, so why don't you still find me scummy?

Why is Onegu more likely to be town by association? He voted both ON and jampi who both flipped town. Can you explain why you see Onegu as more town?

I'm curious as to why Xatalos is not on your list. Did you simply forget to include him or do you see him as scum?