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Dandel just got banned for a week. Does he just get modkilled now?
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Alakaslam:
You are pointing people to read those pages a lot. What is YOUR CONCLUSION OF THINGS HAPPENED THERE?
This is the last thing you have said regarding it:
How on earth is rayn not at the very least confirmed lying?
What is his motive for all that?
What do you think? Or do you need so assistance before you can say what do you think and if so, why?
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He's saying that they are important pages to read through. If people are short on time, they're some good posts to get an idea of what's going on. I don't see the problem with that?
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On July 10 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote:On July 10 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, here we go: This is the situation:N1 just started. We mislynched OriginalName. Chezinu launched a nuke on Xatalos, Oatsmaster defended that nuke. A silent nuke was launched towards Meapak. WoS redirected the nuke to NG. Chezinu has claimed his nuke was harmless. Before that Johnnywup claimed that he thinks he has a similar role to Chezinu and had to nuke. He nuked TanGeng. Everybody hit by a nuke died and flipped town. We are 3 townies down. Bad. This means everyone in town is pretty clueless or mafia has the control of the game. These are my thoughts (mainly on the silent nuke - which we know was harmful); Meapak is probably town and the silent nuker is mafia. A townie has no reason to not announce he nuked someone in thread, even if the nuke is silent. If they do not announce it, they are withholding information from the town, information that mafia already has (as they did not launch the nuke in that case). So the silent nuker is mafia, there is no other explanation. WoS is probably town for redirecting the nuke to a scummy guy (NG). As the nuke is from mafia, there is one thing that concerns me. What if Meapak & WoS are both mafia and they made a powerplay with a nuke to "confirm" them. I want to know if that's the case. This is my plan:I claim that i nuked Meapak to throw mafia off their game. Seriously, think about it. You are mafia and some townie claims a nuke you have launched. Would it throw you off? You need to comment on the matter somehow, as by reading my filter there is an obvious lie, just that you know EXACTLY where the lie is (in "i nuked MZ"). Mafia gets confused. As from townies however, i expect four sorts of behaviour: 1) Straight out calling me the stupidest player ever. 2) Analyzing the situation from mafia/town perspective and reach into a conclusion (why would i claim i nuked MZ as either alignment, especially as mafia). 3) Point out the obvious contradiction in my posts and question me about it. 4) Can't understand anything that's going on with me, question me or go back to 1) Who did (1):Meapak and WoS. This is perfectly understandable because they were involved in this particular business from the beginning. I can understand their thought process, insta "wtf is this, this is the stupidest idiot ever". Who did (2):Oats. Oats realized there is no way i would have claimed that nuke as mafia. It makes no sense. As mafia i would not benefit about it at all. Who did (3):Alaskaslam. He did ask the right question when he looked at the situation. This is the correct post to dig up: + Show Spoiler +On July 09 2013 10:34 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote:On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot. Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ). Then you didn't claim it until now. So Lying and foolishly so, but I haven't had to play scum ever so idunno, I bet it gets hard. Seeing as I suck this bad at town, I would probably be a day1 red flip come a scum game. But wow I have never seen such a resounding call, well done Mepak_Ziph, you deserve our ears. That's spot on. Why did i not follow my own advice in claiming nukes? Who did (4):Afaik noone. Now about people who are scum and why:What i was looking was behaviour that does not fall into any category i described before. Think about this from mafia pov. You don't know what i am up to. I have obviously fakeclaimed to shot a nuke. I am asking you questions. What am i after? I obviously have some sort of a plan, what do you need to answer? Another behaviour is to straight up say "lol you can't possibly have launched that nuke". Austin: Look at pages 71 -> where i claim. What does Austin do? Avoids the whole claiming thing!! He is happy to ask me about anything else and happy to answer questions about anything else but no, he does not talk aboutthe obvious contradiction in my behaviour. I even try to prod him into discussing it by saying "Are you even reading the thread?", but no, he won't. The obvious answer is that he is uncomfortable talking about something he knows more than he should and he knows i know more than what's been said in thread. I can't find any reason why you would not try to figure out why someone is lying as town. Look at Austin now. NOW he's ready to talk about my motives. rofl. Ace:What Ace does after PC. Calls me scum. Why? Because "i was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around." Yeah, me and only me. Not Austin (who made a case) or any other guy like geript/Xatalos etc etc. But me, who has earlier said "Dandel is town and ON is mafia". Makes sense right? Ace does not account my lie, at all. FUCK I DIRECTED THE POST EARLIER TO HIM. The post where i say "Everyone who is town and nukes should claim their nuke instantly". Ace is not bringing this up, but he is bringing up OTHER stuff why i am scum. If he was town that would be an obvious point to bring up, as i have lied. But as Ace is scum he does not know what i am after, therefore he stays silent and let's someone else bring that up so he can add that to my scumminess-list later. And how does he do that. By saying "Meapak caught rayn in a lie and now he is trying to cover it up". rofl. I already talked about how ridiculous that is in thread. If i was scum there would be no lie, as there is absolutely zero reason to claim the nuke as scum!! Ace usually thinks these things true from every perspective, questions the other person about their motives and makes a decision. What about here? A half-arsed case that does not hold water at any point. Take a look at Ace's filter and you can see how he is just trying to find reasons why i am scum and not trying to figure out if i am scum or not. Ace is mafia. Jampidampi:Jampidampi was the first one to bring up that i fakeclaimed the nuke. His thought process seemed fine until he said "rayn can't have launched that nuke because he nuked Xatalos earlier and that nuke did not fly." Silent nuke is silent nuke and probably launched via PM's, that has nothing to do with ##nuke: commands in thread. That's where his thought process falls apart. I think he is too informed about the situation and is trying to make good posts aboutthe situation. Maju:He asks me a random question about launching a nuke on MZ, then goes back to WoS. Definitely not interested in what happened there.
That are all people who stood out for me last night and this morning. If you want to look closer into this, look at people who did not want to talk about the claim at all, and why. I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). This is what bothers me about Jampidampi. This post and analysis is good imo: Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 20:45 jampidampi wrote:Was writing analysis about why Rayn could have possibly claimed the nuke, but since he has admitted that it was some sort of big play that he will explain later, I'm just going to stop right now and post what I had written spoilered below. If he doesn't explain, lynch him. + Show Spoiler +Possible scenarios in which rayn claims the nuke: 1) Rayn is town, actually lauched the nuke, and thinks WoS and Meapak are scum with WoS saving Meapak See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 2) Rayn is town and claimed a nuke he didn't launch Some sort of trick to catch scum? For that to be true he must have though that scum launched the nuke. Because if he though town lauched it, he would just get counterclaimed and then be in a shitty situation. 3) Rayn is scum, launched the nuke and claimed it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 4) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke his scumbuddy lauched to put heat onto Meapak and WoS Only possible if - Meapak and WoS are town
- Scum are low on misslynch possibilities
- the scumteam though Rayn had enough towncred to live despite a shitty nuke claim like this
1. because why would scum launch a nuke at scum and why would a scum WoS redirect a nuke from town to town. They can't all three be scum, because why would Rayn put them all in a worse position by claiming the nuke? 2. because why is there otherwise any reason to claim the nuke to put pressure on WoS and Meapak? 3. because it's no use claiming if he just gets lynched. 5) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke not lauched by his scumbuddy Rayn concludes that since nobody has claimed the nuke, someone must have a reason for not claiming it, be it that they are 3rd party or maybe that they have multiple nukes, and therefore would not counterclaim him. He claims it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS. 6) Rayn is 3rd party Since we don't a possible 3rd partys wincon, I won't speculate on this so much. If he is a 3rd party, the claim is most likely for survival, as not looking so townie makes scum less likely to shoot at you. Other than that, maybe his wincon is related to Meapak dying? It's just too much speculation to think of it this way. The only options that actually make sense are 2, 5 and 6. But then: Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:58 jampidampi wrote:On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote:On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.
There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.
MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.
I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.
Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! If this is really what Jampidampi think, wtf is the above post? It says nothing about Jampidampi thinking all nukes are launched bhy thread.There is a contradiction in his thought process which i would like him to explain.
Hmm, I'm not sure about that one. The first post is about different possible (or impossible) scenarios - logic seasoned with WIFOM. The second post is more like a "bonus" argument for your claim being fake (although that argument was clearly flawed). Dunno why he mentioned it there and not before though - maybe he didn't think of it at first or saved it for a seperate post? Whatever, that doesn't look particularly scummy (or anyhow alignment-indicative) to me.
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On July 09 2013 16:15 CaucasianAsian wrote:
wow 20+ pages of stuff to go through... welp.
On July 10 2013 05:59 austinmcc wrote:
I think those pages are somewhat important. But I don't think it's helpful to note that they exist.
It's like posting that there are scum in this game and we should find them. It's true, but we know that. If there's something specific that you want to get into within those pages, bring it up. If there's someone who addressed those pages in a weird way or not at all, and you want to point that out, bring it up. But just noting that those pages exist and are important doesn't really affect the thread.
Please. Some people may not want to/ have time to read whole thread, scum will make it longer and longer so they play from behind and suck.
This is an effort to catch them up.
-_- how is that being captain obvious. I'm not statin they exist, I am saying they are important pages with important events that no town should miss.
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On July 10 2013 05:54 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote:On July 10 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 10 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote:On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote:
I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now. yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways). So you admit to being scum? Or? No? I'm saying that I have probably said "something like this" in the past. But you admitted that you feel (or at least felt before - what about these days?) unmotivated as scum. Logical conclusion: You feel unmotivated as scum. You are usually active and involved as town. You've clearly felt unmotivated this game (the difference to PTP is crystal clear). -> You are probably scum. I think that's a reasonable deduction. I know it's "reasonable" but that doesn't make it correct.
Then answer these:
1) Do you currently (in recent weeks/months) feel unmotivated to play as scum? If yes, why do you not like playing as scum?
2) Would you consider your current play unmotivated? If yes, is there some other considerable reason than being scum?
3) What explains the huge difference between your townish play in PTP and non-townish play in this game?
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LOL Dandel Ion got banned? Why? Is he modkilled or replaced?
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On July 10 2013 05:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 05:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
I would also be down for a lynch on VA for the reasons I gave earlier as well austin's case. I don't suspect FirmToufu so that's not a problem for me. FirmTofu may have been against DI's lynch but that lynch did move pretty fast so I think that action is caution rather than trying to save his scum buddy. FT has also done a good amount of analysis.
Rayn asked me for some specific reads so here:
WoS nuke redirect I don't find scummy because if he was scum the only reason for a redirect would be to gain credit which could only be done by redirecting the nuke to scum.Also, I really doubt that he would save a scum buddy like that as if one of them dies the other is sure to be caught. WoS was also accepted that Rayn's nuke claim didn't make sense for scum quite early. I think if WoS was scum he would have tried to pressure Rayn a bit more. So WoS is probably town.
MZ is town, I don't have any evidence to the contrary and neither does anyone else I've seen.
I still suspect Onegu. Looking at his filter the only read he's given is repeating Xata is 100% town. He's said this 3 times so far and uses it as an excuse to sheep.
Rayn's claim doesn't make sense for scum so I don't suspect him.
Best lynch targets are VA, Onegu, and DI. Maju, pretend you work in a nuke factory. Who do you give your first nuke to, someone who is townie and you trust to do townie stuff with it? Who would you give a nuke to if you want it in townie hands, but want to shake up the thread, have them do something odd with it that might spark discussion/hit scum with a longshot? Who would you nuke with a nuke that just causes the person to post all their thoughts?
Giving the first nuke to someone I was unsure of would be more useful so I'd do that and make judgements of when they used the nuke and who they used it on. It seems Rayne would be the choice to shake up the thread considering what he did with his last nuke. I assume there was some plan behind it so if he was open about the plan it could do a lot of good. I'd use the thought nuke on Ace. In recent posts he's really only talked about Rayn and said DI is scum and avoided everything else so I wan't to see his opinions.
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On July 10 2013 06:04 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 16:15 CaucasianAsian wrote:
wow 20+ pages of stuff to go through... welp. Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 05:59 austinmcc wrote:
I think those pages are somewhat important. But I don't think it's helpful to note that they exist.
It's like posting that there are scum in this game and we should find them. It's true, but we know that. If there's something specific that you want to get into within those pages, bring it up. If there's someone who addressed those pages in a weird way or not at all, and you want to point that out, bring it up. But just noting that those pages exist and are important doesn't really affect the thread. Please. Some people may not want to/ have time to read whole thread, scum will make it longer and longer so they play from behind and suck. This is an effort to catch them up. -_- how is that being captain obvious. I'm not statin they exist, I am saying they are important pages with important events that no town should miss. Because you have referenced sets of pages now 6 times 
I agree that people are missing and will miss important stuff. But repeating that just clogs the thread with even MORE posts. If you want to constantly remind people of important pages, just stick a spoiler at the bottom of all your posts with pages that you think are very important, but save your actual posting for new stuff.
DI is banned in relation to stuff that came out of Basterd Mafia. Not clear whether it would have really affected his play here or not.
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On July 10 2013 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
LOL Dandel Ion got banned? Why? Is he modkilled or replaced?
The ban reason is "stop shitting up mafia".
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On July 10 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alakaslam: You are pointing people to read those pages a lot. What is YOUR CONCLUSION OF THINGS HAPPENED THERE?This is the last thing you have said regarding it: Show nested quote +
How on earth is rayn not at the very least confirmed lying?
What is his motive for all that?
What do you think? Or do you need so assistance before you can say what do you think and if so, why?
I am not very sure of what to make of it, but you are right.
First, I agree with most of what you gathered from your ploy, and I believe you. But I don't think Ace is scum, he did the same stuff I did but in a more coherent manner from what I gather. He and I were both saying your lying = near scum tell, and were confusedly trying to make sense out of it.
I think VayneAuthority may be scum. I thought he was town and apologized to him when I thought you were scum, but now that I see your ploy I think he is scum once more. He also seems a little out of touch with the current events in the thread to some extent at convenient timings.
I think Onegu may be scum. He has tunneled me solo, which is OMGUS but his statements haven't appeared to carry weight, besides the one regarding scum reads, which I'm finally putting out.
I am suspicious that that is cherry picking town mistakes versus trying to help with thread. His filter is 2 pages but I understand that he tends to have busy times because of irl.
Town read is not what I say at night.
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Please don't discuss the ban of Dandel Ion in thread. I'm working on it.
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Just read the last page of basterd and you'll see what happened. I think DI is scum regardless so if he gets replaced lynch that guy too.
Phoneposting atm so scum don't kill me I can't give a concise list of reads and why atm
If I die look into geript, lynch the shit out of DI and probs maju.
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Careful with vayne he looks scummy every game (except last game where he was lynched lol)
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On July 10 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote:
Also, xat, as long as you're here, could you look at FirmTofu and VA?
Vayne was black on your read list, but there's been a decent bit written about him lately. FirmTofu was town on your list of reads, but he was part of a group at lynch time that you were concerned with (Although you noted that you weren't concerned with him out of the people in the group). What in particular has you town on him?
That list wasn't really a scumread list (I mean the earlier vote analysis list), more like a starting point for me (and why not others) to start searching for scum. I excluded Oatsmaster for using his anti-nuke to save me (unnecessary and a waste of great ability as scum) and FirmTofu for having a thread presence and participating (felt pretty townish at the time).
VA could be scum. For example this post:
On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch.
Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred.
On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs.
If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him.
"If he flips town, then XXX and YYY and ZZZ.
Oh almost forgot, if he flips scum, then CCC."
Does he know that johnnywup is going to flip town while posting this...? (at the time johnnywup was the "main wagon")
Also tons of useless lists/complaining/fluff.
On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu....
On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer.
On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum?
He has also somewhat avoided attention (I didn't even read through his filter before) which isn't a good sign. But someone suggested that his town meta is "scummy", so he shouldn't maybe be the priority lynch.
FirmTofu might actually be closer to null than town, but I didn't think his filter emanated scum at any point. There are also some good posts like this:
On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP.
Overall: low priority to keep watching over, but not in my r/circlejerk.
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On July 10 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Careful with vayne he looks scummy every game (except last game where he was lynched lol)
See why I didn't want to do that yet then, WoS? TY btw.
See I have sub-50% meta on anyone that isn't firmtofu and Onegu. And meta is pretty big, you mus admit.
Seems tough on a phone doesn't it  ? I am doing everything from it, getting to a PC feels like a dream but I am prone to misclick ing because the post/preview icons are smaller there (I usually zoom in on the phone).
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On July 09 2013 21:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rofl Ace. So as scum i claimed a nuke i did not need to claim when i'm under zero pressure. I also swung the lynch fron DI to ON. Makes no sense from town point of view considering that i have called DI town and ON scum the whole game. Of course it does not make sense, town!rayn could have done nothing but to lynch Dandel, his town read, obviously. Also it was certainly rayn who swung the lynch, actually rayn is posting via Austin about all this stuff why ON is scum, right? So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right.
Once again and for the last time. See what Ace is saying here:
When raynpelikoneet claimed he nuked Meapak, he created a lie under no pressure, knowing that he has said something else early in the game, because apparently MZ is going to catch him somehow (of something not explained - but which would not exist without the claim???), and then he made a back up plan for the lie he purposely and unnecessarily created himself as mafia.
If someone can tell me how this is a town!thoughtprocess, i'm all ears.
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Ah, deadline is closing. There's actually a high chance that I die now so here are my updated reads:
Dandel Ion
Ghost_403 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please)
Oatsmaster
Stutters695 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please)
Z-BosoN
Abenson
Meapak_Ziphh
Ace
MajuGarzett
Johnnywup
Onegu
Geript
VayneAuthority
Strongandbig
Gumshoe
CaucasianAsian
Alakasam
WaveofShadow
jampidampi
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Chezinu
Nuke/lynch into those in RED (why not the hardcore lurkers as well - that's fine with me).
Do NOT nuke/lynch into those in GREEN (unless they do something incrimating tomorrow).
Keep a close watch and pressure the remaining players (half of the scumteam is probably among those players after all).
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Yah Vayne could definitely be scum. I just read Basterd post-game, you should do so too.
Vayne says he doesn't give a shit about things as scum. He is not giving shit here. He was very different in Basterd.
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Bad list, no me on it. Boooooooooo
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