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Fuck it I started to write up some huge-ass case but I cba.
Find out right now whether Maju is scum or not.
I'm not a huge fan of pre-flip associations but look:
Geript likely has the same role as Oats. Oats has used his anti-nuke in a protown manner to protect people. Geript seemingly does the same. Oh wait, he didn't use his on D1 when he could have protected either Xatalos or MZ. MZ who he has a townread on.
Fast forward to the last few actions. Uses his anti-nuke to protect jampi, who is town. Alright, makes sense. But now let's think for a minute about the repercussions of his actions? We were forced to actually LYNCH jampi and waste a (likely) town nuke for no reason. Now look at what he proposed today?
On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote:
A few things to note:
1. Maju should be lynched not nuked -- this prevents anyone from defending him and a necessary late vote scramble.
2. Why Ace didn't launch that shit immediately after the night post is beyond me. He could be lying about a nuke, he could be scum, anything is possible
3. I think Rayn was right on track. This would be like the second time he's nailed a bunch of scum early.
4. I'll post more tonight but will have limited access later this weekend.
5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion.
He wants to use up the town lynch again---it is MUCH easier for scum to act when they know that town has already picked their target for the day and especially if they have an anti-nuke at their disposal. This technically works if MG is town OR scum because Geript's agenda is simply to waste town lynches. If MG is town he simply could have let him die yesterday, true. But by protecting jampi he sets us back a kill AND gets towncred in the process. And then in the end what does he do regarding yesterday's lynch? HE STILL FUCKING VOTES JAMPI. If MG is scum? Geript may be able to talk his way out of it when MG flips (though he certainly can't get away with protecting him today after what he said about lynching MG). That is why we absolutely MUST nuke MG today and LYNCH Geript.
Look back through his posting and look at how much random shitflinging and fingerpointing he does without following up. Shit tons of questions directed at random people, no conclusions.
Lynch this guy with cleansing FIRE.
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On July 13 2013 10:08 Ace wrote:
noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post.
also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point.
This is a tough call because it essentially means that austin and geript will be playing the exact same scumgame.
Generally when DI isn't active in thread he is still posting in scum QT so the question is how hard did he try to convince his scumteam to bus him, if at all?
I'm not sure how much sense it truly makes for austin to hardcore go for the mislynch when he could just as easily have taken the bus all the way to the bank. Geript's waffling on the ON/DI lynch looks much worse than what austin did imo.
I'm not clearing austin here, I just think Geript's actions are scummier, and I find it somehow pretty unlikely that they'd both hardcore push a mislynch wagon to save a scummer who would essentially end up dying pretty soon anyway.
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Whoever has a nuke needs to get rid of Maju right now. He may very well be scum, and if he's town he's useless to us anyway alive. Flipping him will really help us sort out who the lynch should be for today, and I firmly believe it to be Geript. I'm pretty interested to see how he will come back to defend himself against me as the two of us have a love-tunnely history together. If he is scum this will be the third time I've played town against him, and I don't plan on losing this one too.
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Ace, your opinions at the time of the jampi save were to defend Geript's actions.
Do you think he is town?
I'm honestly unsure how there seem to be so many supporters of Geript's actions yet then set out to accomplish the same thing that would have occurred had Geript not done anything.
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On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
@WoS. You've seen me be scum here a decent amount. Remember how good of scum I've been? In the game I was hella carried by bugs, BH, and Kita. Every other time I've been scummy as fuck and narrowly avoided lynches because town derped. Have I realistically gotten that much better overnight? Rayn trusted me. Catalogs trusted me. I really don't get what your beef is.
Geript.
When did you drop your scumread on me?
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Actually, I remember your dick-move analysis. So never mind.
So you've essentially called me scum all game, never wavering from it, and because of one post I make you immediately flip that around?
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Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.
I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.
Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?
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On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.
I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.
Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread? I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless. Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik. I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.
If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you.
Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense.
Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.'
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On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote:
something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues.
##nuke MajuGarzett
No no.
Let's hear it anyway.
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Alright good.
Now explain what the shit is going on?
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On July 14 2013 12:02 geript wrote:
@Whoops, ace wasn't killed because he's either scum or they knew the nuke was fake. I'm leaning the latter which makes Stutters scum. Plus, as town "Toy factory" during D1 after the radiation nuke reveal stuff (after Xat's claim) he would be at 0 cost to claim and confirm. Instead he's convinced DI was scum for no reasoning and continues to be more worthless than a pine cone after you take a shit.
I'm especially interested in this comment as well now.
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On July 14 2013 13:20 Ace wrote:
I was asking earlier about how could Stutters getting sabotaged equal my nuke being sabotaged as well. I got the PM that I had a nuke, so that shouldn't be affected by whatever supposedly happened to him. It didn't make sense.
So I went back to see how things got screwed up. Hosts invalidated my action because I spelled MajuGarzett's name wrong in the original nuke post.
And this means we're in trouble why?
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On July 13 2013 00:08 Ace wrote:
##nuke MajuGarzett
This is the original nuke post.
On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote:
something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues.
##nuke MajuGarzett
This is your recent nuke post.
Am I missing something?
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On July 14 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:This is the original nuke post. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote:
something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues.
##nuke MajuGarzett This is your recent nuke post. Am I missing something?
Ah I am, that was the one you did at night after nuke deadline.
Ok, original question stands.
Why are we in trouble/have issues?
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On July 14 2013 13:38 geript wrote:
It's simple. We lynch him with fire like I've been saying already. We don't trust Stutters which means the nukes a fake, or we don't trust Ace which means he has ulterior reasons for launching the nuke. Either way Maju needs to die and the surest way of that is lynching him.
Is it possible that they're both town?
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On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both.
Maybe I really am missing something here.
Stutters presumably gives Ace a fake nuke.
He uses said fake nuke.
Fake nuclear launch happens.
Town impossibility because....?
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On July 14 2013 13:46 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both. Yup, this. Definitely Stutters, like I've been saying. It was such an obvious fake PM -.- I forgot for a second but yes this basically confirms Stutters is scum for me. Whether or not the nuke lands, the fact that it was launched contradicts Stutters claim. So, I say we lynch Stutters actually, and if the nuke lands, great, if not, we do it tomorrow.
How does it contradict the claim?
Is it not possible for Stutters to have given Ace the nuke and for him to have had his Toy Store destroyed?
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On July 14 2013 13:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Unless I am understanding the role wrong, it is similar to other roles ive played with in the past. You are informed you have a nuke (like Ace was) but it doesn't actually do anything so you can discern people's motives without them actually getting to nuke. This goes against that since a nuke was actually launched
Uh....why can't a fake nuke be launched?
Am I just fucking dense here or are none of you seeing the possibility that both are town (and Stutters is kinda dumb for doing what he did)?
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