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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:01 GMT
#1220
Lead us to the correct lynch, o' Dandel Ion

That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways.

I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:02 GMT
#1222
On July 09 2013 04:42 Chezinu wrote:
Xatalos wasn't going to die...


Elaborate right now or I'll keep lynching you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:07 GMT
#1225
On July 09 2013 05:04 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Lead us to the correct lynch, o' Dandel Ion

That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways.

I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice.

Well, if johnny has a similar role you will see. It wasn't radiation, at least I don't think it was... The contents of the nuke wasn't revealed.


johnnywup said that TanGeng is going to die. Was I going to die too then? Or how would I have survived if it wasn't Radiation?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:17 GMT
#1233
On July 09 2013 05:09 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:07 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:04 Chezinu wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Lead us to the correct lynch, o' Dandel Ion

That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways.

I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice.

Well, if johnny has a similar role you will see. It wasn't radiation, at least I don't think it was... The contents of the nuke wasn't revealed.


johnnywup said that TanGeng is going to die. Was I going to die too then? Or how would I have survived if it wasn't Radiation?

I don't know. The role never said.


Nothing you say makes sense. So was the nuke lethal or beneficial in some way? At least you should be able to say that much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:28 GMT
#1244
Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc atm. I haven't even really noticed ON so far but I agree that he isn't looking too good. Especially that he doesn't seem to care who we lynch in the end.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#1252
Okay, lynching ON is better than lynching Chezinu or Dandel Ion at this point. Dandel Ion is more likely town than scum and we can wait more on Chezinu and his madness.

##Unvote
##Vote OriginalName
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:38 GMT
#1256
[QUOTE]On July 09 2013 05:30 austinmcc wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 09 2013 05:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc atmever, in any game.[QUOTE]

Talk to me about the reaction though. You have been looking at me, specifically, for a decent bit of this game. Did you think I had some unhealthy obsession with ON? Was scummy on him before now? Or my mentions of him just slipped your mind?[/QUOTE]

? To be honest I don't remember what questions you have specifically asked. Mostly they seemed to go unnoticed and not do anything. That still looks bad but if ON flips scum I'm willing to forget that
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:44 GMT
#1265
ON is a way better lynch than DI. Gogogo!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:45 GMT
#1268
Not liking DI's dissappearance though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:47 GMT
#1271
On July 09 2013 05:43 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:41 OriginalName wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, first of all, you don't "forget" how to play mafia.
Second, i just read ON's D1 posts from LoTR. That's like a 100% difference.
My vote is staying.


I was also 100% Vanilla in LoTR incase you havent noticed, along with that LoTR was one of my worst preformances in any memory of mafia that I have, I quit for awhile because of how disgusted I was with that game how you can you use meta arguements to justify everything

+ Show Spoiler +
I am claiming a power role for those who are wondering

If you are town this is 10000x worse performance than LoTR was.


Ill spell it out for you.

I have a power role, this role will not work day 1 or day 2.
I'm not going to be unhelpful, but im not going to attempt to get shot either.


That's easily the scummiest roleclaim so far (both the timing and content).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 20:52 GMT
#1278
On July 09 2013 05:34 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey ON, you just happened to get back RIGHT when there is a case on you. Seems legit. :D


just like a bunch of other people? look at Dandel, the wagon gets going on him and he comes right back.


LOL this doesn't give a good image of OriginalName's interest in the lynch. Not posting for several hours and immediately jumping back when there's a case on him. Right......
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:02 GMT
#1287
On July 09 2013 05:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote:
Dear urrbody,

I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!"

ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch?

Actually ON should debunk your case instead of telling how he has not played mafia for a year.
I agree with your case and as you might very well know i have been suspicious of ON for a long time.
You're being overly aggressive with this.

Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt.
ON, what two players would you nuke if you had 2 nukes and why? If you'd already made 2 nukes, who would you give them to?

Beyond that, are there other limitations? Can't give to the same person more than once? Can't stockpile them and have to give out each cycle?


I guess ON fits perfectly into that scummy territory of not really townish but not clearly scummy either. Players like that tend to escape my attention I doubt scum were among the fastest jumpers if ON is scum. Anything's possible but it feels odd for the scumteam to instantly coordinate a bus after you made your case. I really want to see ON's flip now since his red flip would basically clear my doubts about you at the same time. His recent whining and roleclaim feel clearly scummy as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:10 GMT
#1300
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel

And what's your stance on this lynch?


My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment.

At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's.

It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities.


Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:16 GMT
#1309
WTF geript, alakaslam is a matter for another day (like Chezinu). Atm DI is getting lynched...... Although I was disappointed by his sudden disappearance after the ON case came along, at least alakaslam isn't the solution.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#1312
On July 09 2013 06:12 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel

And what's your stance on this lynch?


My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment.

At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's.

It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities.


Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that.


Xat if you were under the gun in the last two hours of a day as either alignment would you do anything to survive? Saying its in panic is completely stupid as

-Town wants to prevent a mislynch
-Scum wants to live

What you are implying with the role claim is not that the claim is scummy but the timing is when the timing is as a matter of fact a completely null-tell.


Well, the claim itself is questionable as well (quite convenient for it not to be effective until D3). But more importantly I seriously doubt a townie's first reaction would be to roleclaim after someone makes a case on them. Scum, on the other hand, would more easily go into panic with their inherent guilt and do something panicky like that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#1320
On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote:
Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town.


Huh, do you view ON as town?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#1341
At least I feel pretty confident that one of DI/ON is scum. Feels too close otherwise. And yeah, just looking at the voters on DI makes him feel more townish.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#1346
On July 09 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 06:32 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
DI's a better lynch

##unvote
##vote Dandel Ion

I hate it when people do this...
Can you please explain why?
ugh...


Indeed.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:38 GMT
#1351
On July 09 2013 06:35 johnnywup wrote:
Did ON defend himself?


He roleclaimed and complained about not having enough time to play pro-town yet. If you count that as defending, then sure...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 21:39 GMT
#1352
On July 09 2013 06:37 geript wrote:
Man I'm really glad Nirvana is getting nuked.


100% agreed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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