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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 15:30 GMT
#957
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 15:47 GMT
#960
Btw this would all be solved if Chezinu managed to post the type of his nuke (Radiation / something else?). If he doesn't, I want to lynch him. If he lies about that, he NEEDS to be nuked/lynched tomorrow.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 15:57 GMT
#961
On July 09 2013 00:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Discussion is diving hard atm towards set-up speculation. Scum love this discussion because it's easy to participate in and look like they are contributing. Let's focus on consolidating our vote and try to dish out them scum, please.

Right now I am waiting for WoS and austin to respond and going through some other filters. What I know now is that I do not want Chezinu dead, as I stated before, and that this discussion is pointless unless there is new info that people with roles are willing to share.

Xatalos, why do you feel Meapak is town? I find his play so far to be a bit confusing from a town perspective. Please elaborate.


Why is it pointless to lynch Chezinu? He nuked me, the strongest general townread at the time, for no (apparent) reason. Maybe he was just being insane, but unless he soon A) starts explaining his actions and B) reveals what type of nuke he launched at me (solving the problem of Oatsmaster's anti-nuke), I feel we should lynch him.

Reasons for Meapak being town:
1) he was nuked secretly - only scum would have a natural reason not to claim their nukes - likely the launcher is scum and Meapak is town (both CAN'T be scum, since it would be 100% insane to secretly kill your own scum team)
2) he didn't shut up after being nuked, but rather started scumhunting with renewed motivation, which is a clear town trademark (why would scum act pro-town after being sentenced to death?)
3) overall he has posted townishly and scumhunted a lot IMO
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:03 GMT
#964
On July 09 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
<3 Xatalos, PLEASE DONT BE SCUM
##Defend Xatalos


Too bad you couldn't wait. I think we could have pressured the answer out of Chezinu and maybe saved Meapak. But at least now I know I'll live, which is kind of a relief, I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:19 GMT
#975
On July 09 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Oats. I understand you need to go to bed, that was probably the best possible thing you could do.
The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive.

I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way".


I think there's a high chance that I'm NK'd (apparently everyone thinks I'm town). Another sensible NK would be Oatsmaster with his anti-nuke. If I live, it might be a good idea to give me that KP, although it might be risky (I'd be an obvious roleblock target, if there are scum roleblockers in this game). The bad thing about this is that now there's zero chance of a scum shooting me with a Radiation nuke. Oh well, at least I'll live for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:24 GMT
#985
I guess there's that chance of scum fake-nuking scum Meapak (with Meapak being immune or the nuke being non-lethal). That's worth keeping in mind, but nothing worth pursuing atm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:26 GMT
#990
Well what are you planning WoS?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:31 GMT
#995
Hmm. I'm okay with lynching Chezinu if he doesn't appear soon and start doing something, anything to compensate for what he has already caused (Meapak's death, overall confusion). Dandel Ion, NG or strongandbig would be fine as well. Not sold on WoS atm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:33 GMT
#1000
On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.

Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG.


I give my approval. I'd trade NG for Meapak any day of the week.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:36 GMT
#1006
On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote:
also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off


What do you mean with this?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:46 GMT
#1019
On July 09 2013 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
NUCLEAR ROCKET REDIRECT
[image loading]

A nuclear rocket that was previously heading towards Meapak_Ziphh is now heading swiftly towards Nirvana.Gabo.



YEEESSS :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:47 GMT
#1020
On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 01:36 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote:
also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off


What do you mean with this?


he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways.



Wtf? We play to win, that's playing not to lose. Most likely it'd be the same as no-lynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:54 GMT
#1022
So TanGeng and NG are most likely dead. Hopefully at least one of them flips scum, but I don't think I would have wanted them at LYLO anyways, even if they happened to be town, so this is a good development either way. Especially since me and Meapak are now saved.

So Chezinu it is (unless he shows up to redeem himself)? Maybe Dandel Ion would be better, not sure.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:56 GMT
#1029
On July 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is Ace scum? That's like saying it's OK to vote for no-lynch without actually voting for no-lynch...


I hope not, but that post didn't feel good at all. Maybe I should move him from town to null :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:31 GMT
#1068
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
That was a stupid decision WoS.


Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#1079
On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far?

cause he town


Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:38 GMT
#1082
On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
That was a stupid decision WoS.


Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas.


I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that.


Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:43 GMT
#1095
On July 09 2013 02:40 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
That was a stupid decision WoS.


Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas.


I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that.


Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that?


It is not a no lynch. Read what I said again. If we can't come to a consensus - vote on the person getting nuked.

Here is a question. If I'm advocating a No lynch who was I trying to save from dying?


Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:47 GMT
#1098
(Votecount pls btw)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:55 GMT
#1107
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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