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On July 07 2013 08:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:31 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 08:24 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 08:17 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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@ geript: What do you think about this? I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote:
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explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? I do not give explanations unless asked if i don't like to. Noone has asked me about that. Why are you defending geript? What do you think of our exchange? Well, you are asked NOW (and you already were before this). So why not answer? It shouldn't take long to think of the answer if you have one. Your exhange feels like you squirming and geript figuring out stuff. Ask yourself, which is townish and which is scummy? If you are town why would gumshoe tell you (and tha thread) why his scum meta you "described" does not hold water? What? How many posts now have you wasted on OMGUS and WIFOM instead of just clarifying your stance and especially the reasons behind it? Uh... are you suggesting that I and gumshoe are scum together? And somehow making a public alliance to explain gumshoe's meta? That's pretty far-fetched. Or what do you mean? erm, there isn't much WIFOM in his posts. Re-read, they are pretty clear explanations. As for the bolded how did you get to that conclusion.
How did you arrive at "pretty clear explanations" after looking at his posts -.- I'm getting more and more confused by him. I'm still in the dark about what he was saying in that post, but the first thought that came into my mind was that I and gumshoe somehow purposefully reduced the chances of reading his meta or something.
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On July 07 2013 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:44 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:47 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). I think you're misunderstanding what I've been doing. I just wanted to skip past the mafia foreplay and get straight into the calling scum phase. On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? So you're trying to soft call me scum for not reading the thread carefully in the first ~50 min. Isn't that a bit hypocritical First part: I don't understand? Explain. I'm on a time crunch before I have to work tonight and wanted to get past the jovial joking trolling foreplay phase of mafia and skip straight to the scumhunting/scumfucking part of it. Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is supertown. explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. Going back his first post is explain, then his second is why he wants the read. Sure he does put some soft scum reads in there, but I think the requests are clear and reasonable. You are right. I misread that (or actually i took the accusative parts and missed the rest of his posts). My fault. What do you think of M_Z not reading the thread at all and calling me out for defending WoS?
How does this change your read on geript?
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On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet.
Who are you implying is scummy based on that?
(As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........)
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On July 07 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:00 Ace wrote:You already know I don't give strong reads most of the time so don't act surprised. I consider Xatalos town atm by the way  Actually Xatalos is almost definitely town.
I'm happy you feel that way. Now, please clearly answer these two:
A) Why is gumshoe "supertown"?
B) What did your earlier post about me and gumshoe mean exactly?
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On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:08 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:00 Ace wrote:You already know I don't give strong reads most of the time so don't act surprised. I consider Xatalos town atm by the way Actually Xatalos is almost definitely town. I'm happy you feel that way. Now, please clearly answer these two: A) Why is gumshoe "supertown"? B) What did your earlier post about me and gumshoe mean exactly? a) i explained that in the very post b) see a) - If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable? - If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth - If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread?
Ok, now I think I understand. You should have been clearer from the beginning. So basically both me and gumshoe are "supertown" for having that exchange..... Well, not sure if I agree with your logic, but at least there is a clear logic (the lack of which bothered me most until now).
Although why this then?
On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you?
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I actually might be able to survive this nuke because of my role (not completely sure, since the wording of the role PM is kind of confusing).
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Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play.
If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread.
I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style.
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On July 07 2013 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play.
If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread.
I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. Maybe he has to claim is? Maybe someone else nuked and he just claimed it? I dunno, Chezinu as town usually is good in his reads from what i know.
It's possible that he has to claim it. Still, it seems pretty suicidal even for him to nuke me now.
Why would he claim it if he didn't shoot it?
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On July 07 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote:
##Vote: Chezinu Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat.
If I had to lynch right now, it'd be indeed johnnywup. So vague and meager. Not sure if I'm alive much longer, but this'll be my lynch choice in case I die.
##Vote johnnywup
Going to sleep now, hopefully I'll live...
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Looks like I'm still alive. Although after re-reading the rules, it's not that surprising:
On June 21 2013 05:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nukes can be fired up to 12 hours until the next deadline. It will be announced in thread whenever a nuke is fired. The nuke will trigger at the end of the deadline.
There are many different types of nukes.
So:
1) apparently every nuke will hit at the deadline, not before or after that time
2) there are different types of nukes
I can say that I'm immune to one type of nuke, but clearly I'm still in danger of death, since I don't know which type of nuke Chezinu launched at me. Ultimately it will be resolved at the deadline. If someone wants to use an anti-nuke or something, feel free to do so, although I can't be certain if it's necessary or not.
Chezinu, if you are town, I'd like to hear your reasoning for launching a nuke at me and the type of that nuke.
On July 07 2013 18:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED ![[image loading]](http://strikefighterconsultinginc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/url13.jpg) A nuke has been spotted heading towards Meapak_Ziphh.
This at least proves that nukes don't necessarily have to be claimed. Dunno if Chezinu's nuke required claiming, but there's at least a strong possibility that he claimed it without needing to. That makes him look more townish IMO - why claim if my town flip would just put him in a tough spot as scum?
On the other hand, nobody claiming this nuke aimed at Meapak makes it likely a scum nuke... And Meapak town based on that.
On July 07 2013 15:47 Alakaslam wrote:
VayneAuthority is tunneling jwupwut I forget his name for a stupid reason. This doesn't implicate Vayne in and of itself. Jwupwut looks like town.
Is that an actual read? If so, why?
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On July 07 2013 18:23 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu what was your motive for nuking Xatalos?
Tell me why he's mafia. So, you are saying that Xatalos is mafia, but you want me to come up with reasons for you? You seem so certain that he is mafia in this statement.
Not sure if Chezinu is actually being stupid or just pretending...
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On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable?
- If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth
- If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian
I agree that it's too early to call me or gumshoe "supertown" for some small early-game posts. But at least there's a logical reason here, so I'm not bothered about raynpelikoneet's early posts anymore. What I AM a bit bothered about is his admittance that your early pressure on him wasn't scummy after all, yet hesitating on saying how that affects his scumread on you. Why the weird reluctance? Well, I'm leaning town on him now anyway, so it's nothing too major.
Btw geript, johnnywup doesn't appear scummy at all to you?
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Btw strongandbig, I hope you're not planning to AFK your way to death once again.
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On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game?
Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?"
And this earlier post...
On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light.
Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO.
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On July 07 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game? Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell.
Haha, indeed.
Btw I don't think you have mentioned johnnywup so far? Looks like he got 5 votes already and I'm fine with him being lynched, although Onegu might be even better. Both could be scum though I guess.
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Hmm.. What has made WoS worthy of your tunneling action? IMO he looks more townish than in PTP so far.
Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that.
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geript, johnnywup, raynpelikoneet. Is there something concrete that makes WoS so scummy? No wishy-washy gutreads, just something that actually makes him scummy. Well, there can't be much evidence this early, but *something* to justify calling him so strongly scum.
Not moving my vote from johnnywup at this point, although I have to admit that the bandwagon feels to be going a bit too smoothly. And the ones resisting it are basically my townreads  Well, there's still a lot of time to decide a possible better lynch, and at the very least this heavy pressure forces johnnywup to do something. Also indeed Abenson, why the heck would you stealth vote johnnywup?
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On July 07 2013 23:59 johnnywup wrote:Okay, caught up reading since last night and reread some filters. A couple things:  andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_> *I'd like him, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Abenson, MajuGarzett, Strongandbig, gumshoe (he has posted a bit...but not about the game at hand...), CaucasianAsian, Nirvana.Gabo, FirmTofu all to start posting more. They haven't really given us any content to go off of. And that's like half the people in the game... *I'm not sure what to think about Chezinu's nuke and it makes no sense to me, so I'm not going to try to make sense of it for now. Oh crap, I just noticed Abenson voted me without saying in thread >_>. Would you like to give your reasons? You have given no indication of any opinion at all in this thread. I'd like you to tell me what you think about everyone. There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. I've felt pretty strongly about WoS being scum since last night so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there ##vote WaveofShadow
Hmm. Actually I pretty much agree with this post. Not just really sure where that strong scumread on WoS is coming from.
(Dandel Ion, start posting!!!)
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Maybe johnnywup should be allowed to live another day. Certainly Onegu, MajuGarzett, TanGeng and Abenson are looking bad, possibly worse than johnnywup, at the moment.
But why is WoS scum?
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