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On July 09 2013 05:42 TanGeng wrote: 8 v 8 right now? Yes, I believe we need one more to win the tiebreaker. | ||
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That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going. I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town. You will never get majority on ON. Consider VA if you don't want DI to be the lynch candidate. I'm fairly certain that Alakaslam will not switch back to ON and it looks like Chez has voted Vayne as well. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:25 geript wrote: Not a solid "he's towny read" but much like WoS in TheGame, the claim is almost too bad to make him scum. I'm ok with lynching him on principle, but I'm just not as keen about it. The thing I liked about it was that most everyone who jumped ship I felt were town This is almost exactly how I feel about an ON lynch. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:26 austinmcc wrote: I'm going to crack up and then be sad if I argue about Liquid City with Z-Boson and then this game becomes Liquid City 2.0. I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming. 'splain please Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters? Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters? I said "IF". I don't think anyone has switched their voted based on his claim yet, so I don't think anyone on the ON wagon is suspicious as of yet. I will look through it later, but for now, I would like to focus on why VA would be a better lynch than ON. On July 09 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote: Can we look at Vayne please? He still has not responded to my accusations. Link 1 Link 2 | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:32 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: DI's a better lynch ##unvote ##vote Dandel Ion I hate it when people do this... Can you please explain why? ugh... | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote: Why point out that you find something very suspicious if it hasn't happened? Also, can you walk me through how the switching based on the claim would make you suspicious? Assuming that ON is scum and we have scum on that wagon trying to bus him, scum could be using his roleclaim as a reason to back off. I wanted to anticipate this move and prevent it from happening. Assuming that ON is town and we have scum on the wagon, scum would be looking for a reason to get off the wagon so that they wouldn't be associated with it when the flip comes around. This could be used an excuse to do so. At this point, I don't think there are any scum on the ON lynch so my point happens to be a bit irrelevant. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:39 geript wrote: @Tofu You vote is currently being 100% wasted on Vayne righ tnow. TIme to pick a horse in a 2 horse race. I'd rather stick to my guns this time around. Let's have a discussion and maybe you can convince me in the next 20 minutes. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:42 Xatalos wrote: You're essentially voting for DI by doing that. Do you want to lynch DI more than ON? Check the votes. I'd be voting for ON by doing that, not DI. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4 nukes? is that a scumclaim for something we don't know? L2Count, there's 5 in that picture. | ||
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I'm probably going to make a post on who I think comes off the worst from this lynch. | ||
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I think jampidampi is scum right now. I will explain more in detail later. If anyone suspects me or has any quick questions, I will be available for about 10 minutes. | ||
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jampidampi Ace VayneAuthority Gonna make a post explaining why in just a bit. | ||
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FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi On July 07 2013 17:47 jampidampi wrote: Morning! I'd like to bring to your attention a scum suspect that seems to be passing by the sidelines. That man is named FirmTofu. Just read his filter, it isn't long. Infact, it has only one post. This one: If you look at the post from a townie perspective you'd expect some kind of followup. There's none. Dudes scum. Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. On July 07 2013 18:19 jampidampi wrote: MajuGarzett is also really suspicious, all he has really done is fling mud onto rayn. On July 07 2013 22:58 jampidampi wrote: Stutters, who's scum? On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote: I can get behind a NG lynch. I'll not repeat anything said about him, but just look these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=45#899 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=45#900 He comes back to the thread just to tell that in his opinion, FirmTofu is bad. And not the scummy looking bad, but the not enough skill bad. If he was town wouldn't he have commented on something scummy/townie, not something bad? Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote: Meapak should be saved if possibel, he is totes town. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote: I don't think rayn lauched the nuke. If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town? We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. | ||
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On July 10 2013 08:50 johnnywup wrote: for your first point, he never says you're the best person to lynch I believe? The rest is good though and I agree with it. It is essentially implied. | ||
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On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot? Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity. ##vote Austin Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right? Not really. I think he is scum based on a play that he made that suggests that he knows more than he is telling us. In probabilistic terms, his actions are more likely to be in line with a scum line of thinking than a town's. So I wouldn't call it a scumslip exactly. | ||
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