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On July 15 2013 05:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't like that Austin is currently leading in votes right now.
Austin I think we may have to switch. nononono not this again don't judge a wagon by the people in it or by how many are in there. Judge it by how scummy you think the person in the wagon is.
I'm not. I'm saying I don't want Austin lynched. Never did.
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On July 15 2013 05:47 Ace wrote:
If you don't like the lynch give some reasons, vote somewhere else, ask questions, do something. I know we've had some weird last minute wagons before but now that we're aware of them be proactive if you don't feel good.
People were aware that the ON wagon looked shitty last time too. And people thought the DI wagon looked shitty.
This doesn't help, Ace.
You know what? I was right last time.
I'm voting gumshoe. Fuck this wagon.
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On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Fuck this shit.
Who is more likely to be town, me or Ace?
If I'm going to be wrong I'd rather be wrong of my own accord rather than be led.
Gumshoe's posting has been shit and I KNOW he is extremely capable of a very strong game, and I feel much better about lynching him than I do Ace's dichotomy of choices.
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I can't remember where this was talked about (maybe Basterd postgame or obs QT?) but people were talking about how there are specific people who a town will essentially just sheep because of who they are and how they talk/play the game. I firmly believe Ace to be one of those people (see Roulette mafia) and such I have trouble trusting him when he is very clearly herding the town towards one particular view, as 'right-seeming' as it may be.
I think for this lynch people should look to their own reasons, not other people's to avoid a situation like D1.
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The only person Geript and I both find scummy on his list his MG, and honestly I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he flipped town. Hence the fact that I'd rather nuke than lynch him.
I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe.
I won't let you down. Promise.
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On July 15 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 geript wrote:
Also, @Stutters... Don't you think Austin is scum... Why are you voting with him on SnB? Because I'm having a hard time reconciling the four immunes all being town and this wouldn't be an unreasonable bus.
It would be a completely unreasonable bus. No one was even thinking about SnB.
Johnny call it whatever you want: inactivity, meta, whatever. Gumshoe's play in Basterd was not even a shadow of a dick of what his play has been like here. I'm not even worried he might be town, because at this rate we wouldn't want him at LYLO as is. And the best part to me is that nobody ever brings him up. So much more likely for him to be scum for that reason to me than town.
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On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy.
Hey Ace.
Triple-cop-claim-caper.
I'm not gaming a closed setup like this.
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On July 15 2013 06:24 Ace wrote:
there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them?
The ones we have some reason to burn through, yes.
We had reason to burn through DI but people decided otherwise.
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On July 15 2013 06:25 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this. 3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation?
We don't even know what the radiation DOES, do we?
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On July 15 2013 06:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 06:25 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this. 3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation? We don't even know what the radiation DOES, do we? ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png) It's fucking radiation. You think its gonna turn us into X-men?
All the role PMs about it have said is that it infects people. We haven't had anyone die to radiation yet have we?
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Let's go, people.
GUMSHOE TRAIN'S A LEAVIN
WOOOOO WOOOOOOO
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On July 15 2013 06:32 Ace wrote:
@Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team.
@jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read.
I don't have the same issues you seem to.
There is no way Onegu is scum based on the post where he thinks he killed Firmtofu with radiation.
There are 4 scum left. Do you really think the 4 (or 3 if gumshoe flips red) are all within your list?
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On July 15 2013 06:36 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:32 Ace wrote:
@Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team.
@jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read. Can you comment on his reaction to geript nuke? I think it's a solid argument. Feels unnatural for scum to go ahead and be ultra-pissed for blocking a nuke on a townie, no? Also, vayne/onegu are pretty much town, I think we can consolidate on that. Maju is likely getting nuked. Austin is too active to lynch atm. Help me puzzle out SnB's claim then. Why would he claim at the time he did? It makes little sense. Also, do you recall how many people had claimed IO before he did?
I made these points earlier.
WHAT SAY YOU, O ACE
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SnB is in the most recent votecount twice.
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GUMSHOE NINJA VOTES AGAIN
WHO DOES HE VOTE?
SNB
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LYNCH THIS FUCKER
RIGHT NOW
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On July 15 2013 06:43 Ace wrote:
Ok, you know what. I'll admit I could be wrong on the IO thing. If it is possible all 4 of them are Town, then you want to lynch gumshoe and not austin? Even though a gumshoe lynch doesn't move us anywhere?
Dat timing.
Oh man Ace.
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So does that make me 2 for 2 lynchwise? (Discounting that I inadvertently nuked our Medic?)
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On July 15 2013 06:45 johnnywup wrote:
Ace what the fuck? Push SnB as hard as possible then 15 minutes before deadline "maybe gumshoe could work"? I know his ninja vote is scummy as hell but that was like a complete 180.
I have a theeeeeeeory
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On July 15 2013 06:50 austinmcc wrote:
I'm kind of involved here, but at this point I'm kind of willing to vote for not-me. I do believe snb to be scum, but gumshoe also looks awful and again, it's not me.
You're safe bro.
Dun worry.
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