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On June 29 2013 04:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:13 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 29 2013 04:09 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 04:08 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 29 2013 04:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Again, I want to reiterate that I am not voting Onegu because he is 100% scum. I believe the evidence against Onegu outweighs anything placed on Alakaslam. I also cannot see how or why a scum team would tell the flustering and bumbling Alakaslam to claim.
Alakaslam genuinely looks like he is acting independently of any external input(aside from maybe a town coach). Your assuming he did this with the other's consent. As you pointed out right after, he acts independently. Why would he act independently if he had a mafia team, though? For the exact purpose of getting you to think like this. We both know there are general assumptions of how scum players act or are supposed to act. We also know that scum change up their game and do things that wouldnt exactly line up as scummy to better hide. Spicy, this is WIFOM, and I don't think it's the most likely scenario. I think 'Slam may have acted independently because he has to. If StiM and Lonemeow are afk in mafia QT, 'slam is having to make these plays himself. I agree its probably not what occurred, i just didnt like tofu assuming it away like he has some additional knowledge of the situation.
Tofu makes leaps like this, check his filter. Not a huge scum tell to me. This aspect is just a slight liability to the town. He makes good (actually great) cases, but he struggles when the situation calls for re-evaluating them.
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On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor.
Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight?
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Moving forward, I would like to chart the course for town following an Alakaslam mislynch. Shall we get started?
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On June 29 2013 04:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I believe the lynch on Alakaslam already has majority. I am helpless. I have tried to convince everyone that we are making a mistake, but no one seems to agree.
Hurricane makes some good points, but they are dependent on the belief that Alakaslam has no obvious scumbuddies. I completely disagree, so I do not share Hurricane's view.
Aquanim seems like he is just choosing to lynch Alakaslam because he has a strong town read on Onegu. We will see if this read is justified soon enough.
Everyone else on the Alakaslam wagon screams scum to me for numerous reasons I have pointed out before.
Are you saying that you do see obvious scumbuddies for Alakaslam?
If so, doesn't this make you more comfortable with a 'Slam lynch?
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On June 29 2013 04:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Moving forward, I would like to chart the course for town following an Alakaslam mislynch. Shall we get started?
Soon, but not now. I want to see the mafia do the Scum Vote Shuffle for a bit. Our night time is long, and our actions simple. It will not take much time to plot our course forward.
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On June 29 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I believe the lynch on Alakaslam already has majority. I am helpless. I have tried to convince everyone that we are making a mistake, but no one seems to agree.
Hurricane makes some good points, but they are dependent on the belief that Alakaslam has no obvious scumbuddies. I completely disagree, so I do not share Hurricane's view.
Aquanim seems like he is just choosing to lynch Alakaslam because he has a strong town read on Onegu. We will see if this read is justified soon enough.
Everyone else on the Alakaslam wagon screams scum to me for numerous reasons I have pointed out before. Are you saying that you do see obvious scumbuddies for Alakaslam? If so, doesn't this make you more comfortable with a 'Slam lynch?
I could ask you the same of an Onegu lynch.
I see obvious scumbuddies for BOTH lynches. I believe that Onegu is more likely to flip scum based upon Alakaslam's initial claim and various scummy characteristics of Onegu.
Thus, I believe Onegu is the better lynch for today.
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On June 29 2013 04:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Moving forward, I would like to chart the course for town following an Alakaslam mislynch. Shall we get started? Soon, but not now. I want to see the mafia do the Scum Vote Shuffle for a bit. Our night time is long, and our actions simple. It will not take much time to plot our course forward.
Okay, I see your point. I will hold off on that for now.
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On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight?
Wouldn't we be in a LYLO situation if StiM and Alakaslam both flipped town?
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On June 29 2013 04:30 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight? Wouldn't we be in a LYLO situation if StiM and Alakaslam both flipped town?
It would be game over.
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On June 29 2013 04:30 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight? Wouldn't we be in a LYLO situation if StiM and Alakaslam both flipped town?
Actually we would lose because Mafia would kill a town member.
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EBWOP, assuming the NK goes through.
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That's quite a depressing thought.
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On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight?
Do you think I should base my play around that?
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I still have a play to make, but at this point it would be best if Stim showed up first.
Problem is, I am super tired already. By the time the vote comes around I will be making even less sense that usual.
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On June 29 2013 04:32 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight? Do you think I should base my play around that?
Even though I think basing your play around that would benefit my case, I do NOT think you should base your play around it.
Modkills should not be an active component of the game and we shouldn't change our play in anticipation of one, IMHO.
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On June 29 2013 04:35 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:32 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight? Do you think I should base my play around that? Even though I think basing your play around that would benefit my case, I do NOT think you should base your play around it. Modkills should not be an active component of the game and we shouldn't change our play in anticipation of one, IMHO.
This. The spirit of the game is to assume active participation. StiM's M.O. is to swoop in at the last second anyway. I only mentioned the modkill as a possibility to mentally prepare people, not to seriously gameplan around it. I think he will post, he will vote, and he will continue to be less than helpful.
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On June 29 2013 04:38 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:35 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 04:32 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town. There is still the Stim Factor. Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight? Do you think I should base my play around that? Even though I think basing your play around that would benefit my case, I do NOT think you should base your play around it. Modkills should not be an active component of the game and we shouldn't change our play in anticipation of one, IMHO. This. The spirit of the game is to assume active participation. StiM's M.O. is to swoop in at the last second anyway. I only mentioned the modkill as a possibility to mentally prepare people, not to seriously gameplan around it. I think he will post, he will vote, and he will continue to be less than helpful.
His vote will also tell us little about his alignment if Alakaslam flips scum now that we have majority and his vote doesn't really matter.
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Now I have to cross my fingers and hope every read I have ever made this entire game is wrong. 
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A couple of hours ago I posted this:
On June 29 2013 01:33 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Who do you think Alakaslam's teammates are if he is scum?
Who do you think Onegu's teammates are if he is scum?
Look at the bandwagons because scum will likely pick the same wagon.
This question is directed to all town, but I would like hzflank to answer specifically. I will do Onegu first as it is much easier. If Onegu is scum then: Aquanim is 99% scum. If Onegu flips red then it will take a small miracle to make me move my day 4 vote off of Aqua. Spicy and Lonemeow would be the other possibilities. I am not sure about StimAddict as there is little to go off of, but if Aqua also flips red then Stim is 100% confirmed Town. If Alakaslam is scum then it is more difficult: I don't want to answer this right now. I need to get a coffee and mull over it.
I was not lying at the time. I was very hasty and generally not thinking straight. Within minutes of posting it I realised that it was false. Regardless of the flip, I will not be gunning for Aqua.
If Onegu flips scum then Aqua looks scummy based on the voting pattern of both days. Onegu basically collapsed the wagon on Aqua, and then Aqua made the case that saved Onegu.
However, for the rest of the game Aqua looks town to me. The reasoning for his voting seems town on both days. He has also been useful. And for a 24 hour period he seemed to be thinking the same things that I was.
Therefore, if Alakaslam flips town I will be looking at Aqua, but I wont assume him scum.
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Public Service Announcement:
Reminder to all Town: a mislynch is not the end of the world here. It's important that we to follow through on this plan and not fall into despair or go rage afk. A mislynch is a real possibility, but if 'Slam does flip town, we have a lot of clear evidence (and the names of two mafia members) to actually help us make up ground. Lynching those two will get us to the endgame with a nice 2-on-1 shot of winning this thing.
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