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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#1301
On June 29 2013 02:34 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
On June 29 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.

This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.

Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.

The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.

This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.

For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.

Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it.


Then with this why didnt I claim tracker? Why watcher? With your theory If I claim I tracked hurricane to Alakaslam wouldnt that be the best course of action with no risk?


Also with your case for what reason would scum track hurricane?

To see if he was blue. To try and decide whether he would be a good target for the following night.
I mean, you are scum, so you tell me.


I am not scum and you brought up the point in your theory, so it was a fair question.

Yeah, it's fair. I wasn't denying that.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#1302
Alright, I'm all caught up. In the end, one of the biggest Facts I've deduced from all this is that Onegu has made some incredibly bad plays, whether he's Scum or Town this game.

If anyone needs my opinion on something, now is the time to ask. Otherwise, I'm going to continue analyzing Aqua's argument.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#1303
On June 29 2013 02:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, I'm all caught up. In the end, one of the biggest Facts I've deduced from all this is that Onegu has made some incredibly bad plays, whether he's Scum or Town this game.

If anyone needs my opinion on something, now is the time to ask. Otherwise, I'm going to continue analyzing Aqua's argument.


Can you confirm if you are NN or Blue clearly and not just hint it.
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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#1304
Oh come on. That's gotta be the most scummy question ever asked in this game.

Of course Mafia would want to know my exact role. How is that at all relevant to the current vote?!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#1305
Ebwop

Sorry the way I read it you did confim, or I wouldnt have brought you into this and I am sorry for that.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#1306
On June 29 2013 02:50 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Oh come on. That's gotta be the most scummy question ever asked in this game.

Of course Mafia would want to know my exact role. How is that at all relevant to the current vote?!


Read all the posts, it hinges on if I am lieing or not, and basicly firms case againt me is about this. The entire thread blew up about if you are NN or knew what happened.
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 17:54 GMT
#1307
We don't need Hurricane to confirm unless it is critical to convincing hzflank/StiM/LoneMeow to vote for Onegu.
First one of those 3 people has to state that Hurricane's role will decide their vote, and then Hurricane can decide whether it is worth it to claim.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 17:55 GMT
#1308
On June 29 2013 02:54 FirmTofu wrote:
We don't need Hurricane to confirm unless it is critical to convincing hzflank/StiM/LoneMeow to vote for Onegu.
First one of those 3 people has to state that Hurricane's role will decide their vote, and then Hurricane can decide whether it is worth it to claim.

Ok I can agree to this.
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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:56 GMT
#1309
I'm currently re-reading 'slam's filter. Onegu, can you please tell me your pre-NK thoughts on Chromatically. If you can quote yourself with Day One material, it would save me a bit of time and let me focus on more important things.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:01 GMT
#1310
I'm playing out some End Game scenarios. Aqua, I hope you know what you're doing over there... for your sake.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 18:04 GMT
#1311
I had a null to slight town read on him, I only comented on the case on him to say it was illogical but the points on aqua were good points. I had very little interaction with him at all.
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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:16 GMT
#1312
LoneMeow and StiM are going to come in with 11th hour hammer votes. If you don't think it's possible for the two of them to be scum, you are mistaken.

We cannot let scum dictate who gets lynched tonight. Does anyone see a solution to this? (Other than relying on mass town coordination with split-second timing to switch once they both finally vote)
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 18:20 GMT
#1313
Anyway I will be sleeping soon so if any one has more questions for me feel free to ask.
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#1314
I really wish StiM and LoneMeow would be more active. Whichever one of them is town may singlehandedly lose the game for town.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#1315
Yes. Onegu I need you to make a post (similar to my pre-NK requests to everyone) assuming you will be mislynched tonight. I need all your Scum and Town reads, and a brief justification for your feelings. If you are mislynched, the town is in a bad position, and we need as much information as possible about your unique experiences and interpretation on how this game has played out.

Don't feel like you have to make full cases on anyone, just give me your reads (gut feels are fine) that you think will be vital to the game going forward.

@Alakaslam

Ditto for you. Need a post of your reads in the event you are mislynched tonight.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#1316
On June 29 2013 03:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I really wish StiM and LoneMeow would be more active. Whichever one of them is town may singlehandedly lose the game for town.


For now, assume both are scum, and that this is an intentional lurker play to set up a last-second 2-vote hammer. Do you see a way to secure lynches on EITHER 'slam OR Onegu that will render this lurker play moot?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 18:25 GMT
#1317
On June 29 2013 03:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Yes. Onegu I need you to make a post (similar to my pre-NK requests to everyone) assuming you will be mislynched tonight. I need all your Scum and Town reads, and a brief justification for your feelings. If you are mislynched, the town is in a bad position, and we need as much information as possible about your unique experiences and interpretation on how this game has played out.

Don't feel like you have to make full cases on anyone, just give me your reads (gut feels are fine) that you think will be vital to the game going forward.

@Alakaslam

Ditto for you. Need a post of your reads in the event you are mislynched tonight.


Ok no problem. Give me a moment.
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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:29 GMT
#1318
My end-games for an Onegu Mislynch aren't making any sense

##unvote

##Vote: Alakaslam
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 18:30 GMT
#1319
Scum reads:
Alakaslam
FirmTofu

And either Lonemeow or Stim

Null reads

Aqua, I still want to say he is scum but he is my main defender so I do not know.

Townreads

Hz
Hurricane
Spicy

If I am lynched today you have to lynch Alakaslam first as he will be confirmed scum, second look at the liar who has lied to people 2 times now to get the vote he wants, then you have to decide between stim, lone and aqua useing your best ability and who is still alive after night kills.
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 28 2013 18:30 GMT
#1320
I cannot ignore the logic in Aquanim's case. Claiming watcher is ridiculously risky, and Onegu wasn't in any real risk of being lynched at the time so why would he take such a massive gamble?

Also, applying Occam's Razor to this:

On June 28 2013 20:57 hzflank wrote:
Simplified:

Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane has a power role


Alakaslam is town
Onegu is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane


Would suggest that Alakaslam is scum, as that requires less coincidence.

##Vote: Alakaslam
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