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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 10:07 GMT
#1201
Sorry I am back, the reason I watched alakaslam was because I had a scum read on him and thought I could confirm it and catch another scum player by who visited him as they would most likely be there to frame him. I tried to think of who would be killed but when I couldnt come up with someone before I slept I went with my next best course of action wich was to try and catch two scum.

Also did you confirm you visited alakaslam Hurricane? I am reading amd it looks like you did confirm.

I watched Alakaslam and he was visited by my biggest town read in Hurricane.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 10:20 GMT
#1202
On June 28 2013 18:38 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Could be, but is it likely? What's to stop the mafia from deducing that I was Watcher Onegu's target, and sending their Tracker into the thread to claim?


You made it obvious as soon as I revealed you took your vote on me, the you said I made it to obvious and then you were the one saying hardcore I shouldnt say who I saw visit.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 10:24 GMT
#1203
And this is actually a very smart play by scum makeing alakaslam fake claim after me,

First they dont want a confirmed blue walking around, second Alakaslam was picking up significant heat already so if this ploy doesnt work so waht he was likely to be lynched anyway and I dont think he was very useful to scum anyway how he was playing just made confusion amd brought attention to himself takeing this risk to take out a confirmed blue is well worth the risk.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 10:25 GMT
#1204
Onegu, why did you make your blue claim when you did? I dont understand the timing.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 10:28 GMT
#1205
I was going to sleep and I wanted to get the information out there, I knew I would be busy and I felt like the information was important to create a good town atmosphere and help people make reads with the information I provided.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 10:34 GMT
#1206
That information alone was useless. If Alakaslam had not counter-claimed we would not even be talking about what you claimed, only that you claimed blue.

Imagine there was no counter-claim:

We know that your number one town read visited Alakaslam.

That is not useful information. And you were still not in serious danger of being lynched. There was some moderate pressure being applied to you, but nowhere near enough to force a blue claim.

If you had saw someone visit Chromatically then it would be different. But quite frankly knowing someone visited Alakaslam did nothing to help us in the day 2 scum hunt.

I am still going over this. I have some good reasons as to why you are town, but also two good reasons as to why you are scum, which are:

It makes little sense for you to watch Alakaslam on night one
It makes little sense for you to claim that you did so when you claimed.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 10:35 GMT
#1207
If you are town then I am being critical of your play, I know. I am critical of my own also. Heck, in the last 2 pages I have made a horrendous blunder.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:07 GMT
#1208
I just want to put this out there for anyone who cares to answer:

What are the odds that there is a Mafia Tracker who tracked Hurricane?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:17 GMT
#1209
This does not seem right. I will elaborate later, but for now...

##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 28 2013 11:18 GMT
#1210
On June 28 2013 20:07 hzflank wrote:
I just want to put this out there for anyone who cares to answer:

What are the odds that there is a Mafia Tracker who tracked Hurricane?


It is possible, look at it this way I watch alakaslam, a scum tracker watches hurricane go to alakaslam, I claim then it is easy for them to put out a fake claim because they have all the pieces.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:25 GMT
#1211
So they happen to watch Hurricane, who happens to have a power role, who happens to use it on the same person that you pick to watch.

Specifically, we need to look at why the scum chose to track Hurricane. This is important.

Btw, it was no accident that our cop died on night 1. Look at Chromatically's filter, he was telegraphing cop. Unfortunately the town did not pick up on this a provide any cover (by acting like a cop). The scum picked up on it though and therefore they are obviously trying to work out who has roles.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 11:27 GMT
#1212
On June 28 2013 20:07 hzflank wrote:
I just want to put this out there for anyone who cares to answer:

What are the odds that there is a Mafia Tracker who tracked Hurricane?

Better than you might think. I think I saw one or two small slips from Hurricane indicating he had some kind of role, so there's no reason scum couldn't have as well.

This is still a good point, though.

Another interesting point is:

If Onegu is scum, how did the mafia know that nobody else visited Alakaslam?

Wallpost along these lines is incoming as soon as I check it for typos and bbcode faults.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:31 GMT
#1213
I do not like the fact that Hurricane's first reaction was: "The mafia tracked me and Onegu is scum".

If I were Hurricane, my first reaction would of been: "I can confirm Onegu's claim so Alakaslam is scum".

Btw, I have been through all the possible scenarios. I was weary of telling the scum who our blues are, but to be honest I already did that a couple of pages ago because I am a compete idiot. So, either...


Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is Mafia Framer


Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane


Alakaslam is town
Onegu is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane


Either the scum tracked Hurricane, or Hurricane is the Mafia Framer.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 11:39 GMT
#1214
On June 28 2013 20:31 hzflank wrote:
I do not like the fact that Hurricane's first reaction was: "The mafia tracked me and Onegu is scum".

If I were Hurricane, my first reaction would of been: "I can confirm Onegu's claim so Alakaslam is scum".

Btw, I have been through all the possible scenarios. I was weary of telling the scum who our blues are, but to be honest I already did that a couple of pages ago because I am a compete idiot. So, either...


Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is Mafia Framer


Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane


Alakaslam is town
Onegu is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane


Either the scum tracked Hurricane, or Hurricane is the Mafia Framer.

Why does the Mafia Tracker have to have tracked Hurricane in the second instance? Onegu's power would let him know that Hurricane visited Alakaslam, and Alakaslam's claim does not reference Hurricane's actions.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:40 GMT
#1215
Because the mafia did not know who Onegu's number one town read was.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 11:42 GMT
#1216
On June 28 2013 20:40 hzflank wrote:
Because the mafia did not know who Onegu's number one town read was.

Why did they have to know? Alakaslam's claim that Onegu visited Hurricane (as opposed to visiting anyone else) could just be a coincidence.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:43 GMT
#1217
That's a big gamble for them to take. They have no reason to take such a big risk when they are winning.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 11:49 GMT
#1218
On June 28 2013 20:42 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 20:40 hzflank wrote:
Because the mafia did not know who Onegu's number one town read was.

Why did they have to know? Alakaslam's claim that Onegu visited Hurricane (as opposed to visiting anyone else) could just be a coincidence.


On June 28 2013 20:43 hzflank wrote:
That's a big gamble for them to take. They have no reason to take such a big risk when they are winning.


Let me rephrase this: Alakaslam could claim that Onegu had visited anyone other than him and it would have made Onegu just as guilty. The fact that Alakaslam happened to claim that Onegu had visited the person who Onegu in fact saw is irrelevant to the scum's plan if Alakaslam is scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:55 GMT
#1219
On June 28 2013 20:49 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 20:42 Aquanim wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:40 hzflank wrote:
Because the mafia did not know who Onegu's number one town read was.

Why did they have to know? Alakaslam's claim that Onegu visited Hurricane (as opposed to visiting anyone else) could just be a coincidence.


Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 20:43 hzflank wrote:
That's a big gamble for them to take. They have no reason to take such a big risk when they are winning.


Let me rephrase this: Alakaslam could claim that Onegu had visited anyone other than him and it would have made Onegu just as guilty. The fact that Alakaslam happened to claim that Onegu had visited the person who Onegu in fact saw is irrelevant to the scum's plan if Alakaslam is scum.


You are correct. Thank you.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 11:56 GMT
#1220
Can you find fault with:

Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is Mafia Framer


Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN


Alakaslam is town
Onegu is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane
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