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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:19 GMT
#1161
No, that was fine. If he is scum then it was stupid. He was not yet under enough pressure to warrant a fake claim.

We are all noobs, if you want to point out a flaw in someone's play then I say go ahead. It's a good way for us to learn.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:24 GMT
#1162
I was wrong, like I thought. Stand by. Do not assume anything yet. I may have come up with a way for both Onegu and Alakaslam to be Town.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:33 GMT
#1163
@Alakaslam:

I need you to study your PM that you got from Night. Remember the homework I gave you? Please don't be offended, but I think I established that your reading comprehension sort of falters when you get excited.

I need you to re-read the PM you got from the Mod regarding your night action, and tell me once you're absolutely positive that:

1.) You TRACKED Onegu
2.) Your PM said ONEGU visited ME, or if ONEGU visited YOU, or possibly BOTH

Do not copy-paste your PM here, as that is against the rules. The game hinges on you understanding your PM, and you need to re-check it about ten to fifteen times to make sure we do not lose the game based on faulty information in this moment.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:43 GMT
#1164
Alaka is sleeping then driving to MLG. He may be afk for a long time.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:44 GMT
#1165
Well, I assume that he will check the game before he leaves for MLG, no idea really.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:46 GMT
#1166
On June 28 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
On June 28 2013 08:44 FirmTofu wrote:
He is claiming that either Spicy or hzflank is a blue town role that visited Alakaslam last right.

He refuses to say which of the two, but it is very easy to narrow down for any observer. What purpose did it serve to keep town in the dark?

Either hzflank or Spicy needs to confirm what Onegu is saying about them, otherwise an Onegu lynch remains inevitable.
Even if hzflank or Spicy confirm, we have to consider that they may be in a mafia team together. We will need to gather evidence for and against this and analyze it with the information we have at our disposal.

It could also be the case that Onegu is a mafia tracker who tracked a town hzflank or Spicy to Alakaslam's house. We would also have to find evidence to refute this possibility.

Wait who visited me? No wait I need to tea his claim again HE watched Hurricane- he visited hurricane, may as well spill the beans now that I am a class A idiot.

Quick thing before I walk out the door, I watched you Alakaslam, someone who I have a town read on visited you. I was hopeing to either confirm my suspicions on you or see if you are town by who visited you, I was unable to do so as the person who visited you doesnt confirm anything, except it makes me wonder why he visited you and the only thing I can think of is he thinks you are scum also. This makes me lean scum on you. It in no way clears you.


This is not the reasoning I was looking for from Onegu to 'Watch' Alakaslam. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that generally, most good Watchers would try to Watch a likely mafiakill target, to try to catch the person delivering KP. By stating he thought Alakaslam was scum, that obviously wasn't his intention.

There is one good reason for a Town Watcher Onegu to target Alakaslam (if anyone knows it, do not say it. It is meaningless unless it comes from him), but if Onegu can't come up with it by the deadline, he's likely either a Mafia Tracker or Mafia Framer.

I'm still working on scenarios for our current dilemma, but my Town/Town scenario relies on some outstanding questions I've issued to the moderators.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:49 GMT
#1167
This has become a time-sensitive matter

##Vote: Onegu
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:51 GMT
#1168
hz, if you're town, I need you on Onegu as soon as possible (albeit temporarily) so he loses a tiebreak. If there are mafia yet to vote (StiM probably, Spicy probably not) , they're going to be able to force a mislynch
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:52 GMT
#1169
@Hurricane, I have thought about this from a few angles, and I think the correct play is to assume that Hurricane read his pm correctly.

Firstly, it is unlikely that he read it wrong. Secondly, I do not want to give anyone the chance to later claim "I'm not scum huys, I did not lie I just read my PM wrong".
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:53 GMT
#1170
##Unvote

##Vote: Onegu
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 28 2013 08:54 GMT
#1171
The heck happened here while I was sleeping?

Think this is prudent while I figure out what's going on.

##Unvote
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 08:55 GMT
#1172
On June 28 2013 17:43 hzflank wrote:
Alaka is sleeping then driving to MLG. He may be afk for a long time.

Both damn and god bless night piss. Hi there, it's 2AM...

Hurricane. My pm is very concise and to the point. I tracked Onegu. He visited you.

Anyone notice my original reaction? Does that make sense as scum?

Onegu had all the time in the world to make a fakeclaim, while I was pondering what happened at night for a long time. So at first Onegu talks about strong town and me and I assume he is confirming what happened, rather than realizing it contradicts. Why would scum do that rather than some better response? This is a destiny bond situation, not good for scum.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 08:55 GMT
#1173
I'm 90% sure the two claims are incompatible. The other 10% will be solved when the mods get back to me. Our mods have been awesome, and I'm sure I will have my answer by noon tomorrow (about 7 hours from now).
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 08:57 GMT
#1174
And yes I'll check before I go but this is it I need to sleep. Damn insomnia piss, wait until morning, preferably late morning....
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 08:57 GMT
#1175
Hurricane: can you post your mod question here or is it sensitive? I also pmed a mod, here is what I got about mechanics:

If Tracker and Watcher both target VT, then Watcher sees Tracker.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 08:58 GMT
#1176
Hurricane and hzflank, I would like to confirm that you two will be in the thread before the lynch and you will have plenty of time to read the arguments I will be posting. With your two votes (assuming LoneMeow does not switch), we will have five votes (enough to ensure an Alakaslam lynch), if I can convince

I believe that of these two Alakaslam is the scum. I don't trust Spicy or StiMaDDict to listen to me (because I suspect they're scum) and I don't think that FirmTofu is capable of detunneling from Onegu at this point. I will need both of you to listen to turn around this lynch.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 28 2013 08:58 GMT
#1177
Hurricane, I feel you're grasping at straws with your town-town scenario, why would you do that? Who's scum if they're both town?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 28 2013 09:00 GMT
#1178
Obvious EBWOP: ...if I can convince you that I'm right.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 09:00 GMT
#1179
I will be around for the next few hours. I will try to be around at the time of the lynch (that's 3am my time, it has been sucking but I managed so far).
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 09:16 GMT
#1180
On June 28 2013 16:09 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 16:05 hzflank wrote:
It's obvious so I will put this out there. If Onegu is town then I am confident of who his number 1 town read is. I want to see that player posting before any blue claims are made.

Ignore this statement if it is irrelevant to yours. Remember that Hurricane pushed for Onegu's lynch.


This post is not to help the town, but rather to show Firm how my mind is working:

The biggest reason why I think that Hurricane is town is because when I scumhunt on him I feel like he is also scumhunting on me. When I look at some other people is has looked like when they scumhunt on me they are actually looking for a scapegoat. If Hurricane made a case against me on Day 3 I would make a case against a third party. If Hurricane thinks that I am scum that does not mean that I think he is scum. In fact in my case, it almost seems that Hurricane is the only person who is actually scumhunting in my direction.

Therefore, the fact that Hurricane voted for Onegu does not mean that Onegu thinks that Hurricane is scummy. Onegu has stated that many people are scummy but he has not given away many town reads. When I tried to work out his town reads I got Hurricane and myself. Who else? Spicy might be his third read, but if Onegu is town then Hurricane and myself are his top 2 town reads.

I did not visit Alakaslam on night 1, and it appears that Hurricane did not either.
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