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Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 53
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I will add some content not related to blue roles in half an hour or so. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Hurricane Sponge
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REMINDER: Everyone else, please do not speculate on why Onegu chose Alakaslam as his target. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On June 28 2013 14:06 Onegu wrote: Ok sorry I am here, the reason I posted it before I slept last night is I wanted to get the information out there. After thinking about it I knew I wouldnt have much time today to post so I thought that was the best time because right after I sleep the thread starts to get active. I womt post why I chose to target alakaslam until he responds or until I get back later tonight as I would like to give him sometime. Also no matter what happens I will not tell you who visited him because I am 95% sure he is town. Onegu, you have to tell us why you targeted Alakaslam. It's critical to verifying your claim. I may consider you confirmed town if you give the right answer, so it's your best bet at not being lynched today. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On June 28 2013 14:19 FirmTofu wrote: Onegu, you have to tell us why you targeted Alakaslam. It's critical to verifying your claim. I may consider you confirmed town if you give the right answer, so it's your best bet at not being lynched today. Dont worry I will I am in a time crunch now getting ready for doctor, but when I am back regardless is Alakaslam has respoded or not I will give you my reasons. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote: I want to post something before I sleep. I am the Pink Ranger and I watched Alakaslam last night and he was visited by my biggest town read last night. I wont say who that is because I dont want them to be a target. This is so appropos I am green!! XD why do you think I was suspicious of you? We are both town you just confirmed Ty so much Onegu, see 1)had work all day today 2)was thinking you visited hurricane to role lock possibly or something DO NOT VOTE ONEGU HE IS TOWN! will catch up bear with me!! | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 08:44 FirmTofu wrote: He is claiming that either Spicy or hzflank is a blue town role that visited Alakaslam last right. He refuses to say which of the two, but it is very easy to narrow down for any observer. What purpose did it serve to keep town in the dark? Either hzflank or Spicy needs to confirm what Onegu is saying about them, otherwise an Onegu lynch remains inevitable. Even if hzflank or Spicy confirm, we have to consider that they may be in a mafia team together. We will need to gather evidence for and against this and analyze it with the information we have at our disposal. It could also be the case that Onegu is a mafia tracker who tracked a town hzflank or Spicy to Alakaslam's house. We would also have to find evidence to refute this possibility. Wait who visited me? No wait I need to tea his claim again HE watched Hurricane- he visited hurricane, may as well spill the beans now that I am a class A idiot. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I wanted to build a case against Firm. I did not like the way we were all making fluffy cases so I tried to make my case differently. I communicated a bit with a coach and they basically told me that my methods were not good. So instead of making my case against Firm I re-evaluated how I was playing the game. I then voted for StimAddict. There were several reasons for this vote. Firstly, I did not want Onegu to feel comfortable. The way I was posting made it look as though I would defend Onegu when Firm inevitably made long case against him, and I wanted Onegu to question that and feel some pressure. Second, I want StimAddict to feel some pressure too, and Aqua already had is vote there so it made sense for me to add mine. Lastly, I thought that if Stim does happen to be scum and a third town happens to drop a vote there then his scum buddies would have to start defending him. Then Firm posts his case against Onegu. I read it twice and did some filter diving. I decided that if I were to put the time in I could make a strong defense against Firm's case. I have not written this yet but should probably do so shortly. I could not of posted it anyway because regardless of anyone alignment I believed it was best for the town if Onegu felt some pressure. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Firm, it's a bad case. You are convinced of his guilt so you are using anything you can to prove it. That's your style and that's fine, but you are not getting my vote for those reasons. Point 1: Fluffy reason. You are also looking for reasons to vote against Onegu that in hindsight you probably wont agree with. See my opening to this post. Point 2: Onegu's vote switch off of Aqua only makes Onegu look scum if Aqua is also scum. If Onegu knew Aqua and Xzavier he could just of left his vote on Aqua as it did not matter which of the two was lynched. In fact, Aqua was playing a better town game than Xzavier so lynching Aqua would have been better for the scum. If Aqua were scum then Onegu switch his vote at a time that ensured Xzavier would be lynched instead of Aqua, but I would have to be a fool to cast a vote today based on that Association. This is especially true because Aqua and I seem to have been thinking on similar lines for most of day 2, and one point I felt like we were almost masonned. Also, on page 22 you played a part in convincing Onegu to move his vote off of Aqua. You were pushing hard to get people to vote in the way you thought it best, just as you are today. That's not a bad thing as I think good town play requires conviction, but it also does not mean that your vote is in the right place. Point 3: I stopped Onegu's day 2 attacked on Aqua. It was really bad play by me. After re-evaluating my play I realise this but it's too late to change that now. I put Onegu in a position where he felt that he might need to vote against your inevitable case, and I was fairly clear that I would not be voting Aqua to be lynched today. I apologise, but your point 3 would be better in a case against me than it is in a case against Onegu. Point 4: Fluffy reason. The cases we were making against Aqua were weak and full of fluffy reasons. Once Onegu has moved his vote off of Aqua then his wagon was doomed to fail, and Onegu moving it back at that point would not of helped. I cannot read his mind to tell you exactly why he felt apathetic, but that feeling alone is not a strong scum tell. Point 5: My fault. During the night I made it look like I thought either you or Chromatically were scummy. You made it look like you were starting an early wagon on Onegu. It also looked like you had secured votes from Hurricane and Alakaslam, and there was even a reasonable chance of getting Aqua on board. Onegu needed my vote to save himself, so his best option was to attack you. Again, it was horribly bad town play by me and I am sorry for that, but this is not a scum tell on Onegu. Overall, I think Onegu seems scummier to you than the other players are you wanted to vote for him. You put a lot of effort into your case and found what you thought were the scummiest things possible about Onegu. Unfortunately, I don't think there was enough there to make a really strong scum case. After I finished reading your case I was not convinced that Onegu was town, and at the time of this post I am still not 100% convinced that Onegu is town. However, I was leaning town and I am now leaning even more town. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 09:46 Aquanim wrote: Onegu should claim NOTHING more until Alakaslam tells us whether he was roleblocked or not. I was not i am reading too fast I am going to be really hard to for me to think right now adrenalin rug | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 10:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I seem to be the only one defending Alakaslam. At this point, I'm willing to consider that my read is wrong. Reading through his filter, I just seem to get the over-eager vibe from a guy who's really new to (and maybe not suited for) this game. I'm not in the business of defending people when they should be defending themselves, but I honestly don't think he has the ability to capably defend himself. His first reaction when pressured was to throw in the towel and martyr'd hard: Alakaslam, can you clear up this post for me? The bolded phrase in particular. Pah I was certain I would be lynched. People would see my role and I wa going to put a bunch of pics of Anthony Perkins in the original Psycho because he is the ultimate freaky stalker type and I look like him irl. Mods know this perhaps too well. Taking this game about 10% seriously at that point | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 09:17 FirmTofu wrote: @Hurricane Are you not even willing to consider that Onegu may have lied about his claim? Are we just going to throw away all of the scum reads that we have built up over the course of the thread because of one claim that hasn't even been verified? I still don't see how this claim exonerates Onegu from a lynch when any scum could have easily pulled it off. Oh SHIIIIT! Argh OMGIS x infinity Hurricane I am not very fit to play this game especially commuting between CA and AZ every other day and playing late at night gonna /out aperture 2, I am noooooot ready. Gimme sec brb | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Your points that my case is bad are perfectly valid and you are appearing more and more town to me. Thank you for that. @Alakaslam What exactly are you claiming? Be clear with us. Did you just claim a blue role? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
@Alakaslam: Are you claiming that you have a power role? I don't understand what you're saying here. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Consider your best town read as 100% town in order to stop the circular logic. Then play from that position. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On June 28 2013 10:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I have issued some questions to Alakaslam. Hopefully he responds to them, and has something to say about the Onegu claim. This is a very important moment in the game for your, Alakaslam. Please try to organize your thoughts and respond to each point with a clear, simple answer. We do not need commentary at this time. Just facts. ... Word, wish I saw this first. | ||
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