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United States1956 Posts
On June 29 2013 11:00 geript wrote:Busy Votecount (without the picture)![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwlbTKq8GxkOvVJ1DXxdyF41tYwUyCBp0IEvivjihELNJXTTQifg) Onegu (2): Hurricane Sponge, FirmTofu, Alakaslam, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, hzflank StiMaDDict (0): Aquanim, hzflank, FirmTofu (0): OneguAlakaslam (5): LoneMeow, Aquanim, Onegu, hzflank,Spicydinosaur, Hurricane Sponge, LoneMeow hzflank (1): hzflankNot Voting:StiMaDDict [b][blue] Alakaslam the Green Ranger -- Tracker has been lynched Action Deadline for Night 2 is in [unparsable timestamp format][blue]Night 2 ends in [unparsable timestamp format]
My dear illustrious host, Onegu's vote count should have me, Alakaslam, hzflank, and StiM. That's 4 people.
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On June 29 2013 11:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:05 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 11:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Well played, Aqua. Too bad you and Onegu had to die now for that.
A mislynch always sucks, but Slam was radio silent this whole time. He mentioned himself he was mentally checked out of this game, so as long as the rest of town stays motivated going forward, we'll win this. No. I am not going to vote Aquanim unless you make an extraordinary case against him. Spicy is my top read for too many reasons to count. We should be lynching him after Onegu. If town doesn't vote unanimously, mafia get to choose the lynch target.
Then let's get everyone's reads now and narrow down the list of possible candidates.
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On June 29 2013 11:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
I guess I'm going to be lazy again now..
No. You don't get to be lazy. You are going to help us find out who the mafia is. If you are town, you need to stop playing terribly.
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On June 29 2013 11:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:10 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 11:06 FirmTofu wrote:
@Aquanim
I want your new reads. Please explain why as well. I'll have to think about association with Onegu and that might take a while, but for now this is where I'm at: Spicy: didn't commit hard to either lynch today. Still got no reasons to think he's town. Nothing much has really changed about Spicy since my read at the end of Night 1. StiMaDDict: still hasn't done jack LoneMeow: hasn't done much of anything, and vote for Alakaslam now doesn't look real good. Still pretty sure everyone else (besides Onegu, obviously) is town but I suppose I'd better take another look at everyone to be sure. StiM cast a crucial vote against Onegu. If you're still suspecting him, you're obviously not analyzing from a pro-town perspective.
That's not true at all, Hurricane. StiM vote was far from crucial. Everyone on the Alakaslam wagon already had their mind set on the mislynch, there was no way anyone was going to switch. StiM's vote changed nothing. If anything hzflank was the crucial vote because he brought it to 5-4 where if you voted Onegu, the flip would have changed hands.
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On June 29 2013 11:17 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 11:10 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 11:06 FirmTofu wrote:
@Aquanim
I want your new reads. Please explain why as well. I'll have to think about association with Onegu and that might take a while, but for now this is where I'm at: Spicy: didn't commit hard to either lynch today. Still got no reasons to think he's town. Nothing much has really changed about Spicy since my read at the end of Night 1. StiMaDDict: still hasn't done jack LoneMeow: hasn't done much of anything, and vote for Alakaslam now doesn't look real good. Still pretty sure everyone else (besides Onegu, obviously) is town but I suppose I'd better take another look at everyone to be sure. StiM cast a crucial vote against Onegu. If you're still suspecting him, you're obviously not analyzing from a pro-town perspective. Exactly. When I dropped that 4th vote on Onegu I was half-expecting Aqua or Hurricane to drop the hammer. Stim could not of know that they would not do this. Stim is likely town.
I think that is extremely presumptuous. Read my previous post.
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On June 29 2013 11:18 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 29 2013 11:10 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 11:06 FirmTofu wrote:
@Aquanim
I want your new reads. Please explain why as well. I'll have to think about association with Onegu and that might take a while, but for now this is where I'm at: Spicy: didn't commit hard to either lynch today. Still got no reasons to think he's town. Nothing much has really changed about Spicy since my read at the end of Night 1. StiMaDDict: still hasn't done jack LoneMeow: hasn't done much of anything, and vote for Alakaslam now doesn't look real good. Still pretty sure everyone else (besides Onegu, obviously) is town but I suppose I'd better take another look at everyone to be sure. StiM cast a crucial vote against Onegu. If you're still suspecting him, you're obviously not analyzing from a pro-town perspective. When StiM voted Onegu, he was still two voteswitches away from being lynched, which at that time looked pretty unlikely. It's a point in StiM's favour but not a conclusive one.
This is the correct takeaway from StiM's behavior.
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On June 29 2013 11:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
If the remaining townies don't see that Aqua is scum, we deserve to lose. (Not that we already don't deserve to lose with the quality posting content of StiM, Xzavier and Alakaslam on our side...)
The mafia play here is to kill me tonight (since I'm probably the only one who can convince Tofu of anything at this point), resulting in a split vote on Day 4 and a mafia win.
You need to explain to me why you think Aqua is more likely to be scum than Spicy. Spicy has been the most obvious scumbuddy of Onegu all game long. They have not butted heads once and even formed a case against me together.
I am as certain Spicy is scum as I was that Onegu was mafia an hour ago.
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On June 29 2013 11:28 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Every time mafia need a whipping boy, they pull out StiM. Onegu did it early, Aqua did it late.
It doesn't matter, I'm never going to win a tunnel battle with you, Tofu. You are the tunnel king and I'm ready to just start throwing haymakers. I feel like I've said everything there is to say, the game is solved, and I'm probably going to die tonight anyway, so I don't have a vote left in this game.
The scum team is Onegu, Aqua and LoneMeow (or Spicy, I haven't looked that far ahead yet).
I haven't said it yet because I didn't want to get into an argument, but I would like to say this now.
I have not tunneled anyone without considering the cases for other people and weighing them against my own.
I would like to think I am a rational person and am always willing to change my vote when presented with superior evidence. What is happening now is you are tunneling Aqua based on little evidence. If you expect me to agree with you, you not only have to make a better case for him, you also need to explain why the case against Spicy isn't a better one.
I am always willing to change my vote. I trust you as town more than anyone in this game, so trust me when I say this. I take your input into great consideration, I just strongly believe you are behaving irrationally. I think your ego may have taken a hit at this flip, and is causing you to behave this way.
Please clear your mind, present a case if you have to, and stop using this defeatist attitude of, "FirmTofu will never change his mind so we lose."
I urge you to first look at the situation from an unbiased point of view. Instead of looking for reasons why Aquanim is scum, try looking for reasons why everyone could be scum. Then, analyze each person's collective list of scummy behaviors and make a list of those you believe to be most scummy.
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Hurricane. Please consolidate your posts. It is extremely hard to read everything seperately and it would be nice to be able to refer to all your points on Aquanim at one post. This is extremely inconvenient.
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@Hurricane
Again, I request you consolidate your posts. I agree with many of your points. At this moment, I am willing to vote LoneMeow 2 days from now, but I am still not convinced about Aquanim over Spicy.
Explain to me Onegu's day 1 behavior voting for Aquanim. That is what is most striking to me and is a big part of why I think Aquanim is town.
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On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.
Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?
Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives.
I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad.
Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.
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On June 29 2013 12:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.
Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect? Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives. I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad. Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.
That said, I will work on a case on Spicy concurrently and we can see if our reads on him match in any way. I will also go through Aquanim's filter and revisit all your points regarding him.
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@hzflank
Can you go through Aquanim's and Spicy's filter as well and give me your thoughts on both of them?
@Everyone else
Please state your top three scum reads at this juncture.
*hint hint* Onegu should be on that list.
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On June 29 2013 12:23 hzflank wrote:
Firm, please tell me what you think of my above point on Aqua.
I honestly think that is the first good scum read I have made all day. it is not fluffy. I think he made a mistake when he posted that because a town Aqua would not of thought like that.
I'm having trouble understanding it as well. I am going to go through Aqua's filter and search for some context. Don't bother to try and explain it to me. I want to draw my own conclusions and then see what other people think.
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On June 29 2013 12:37 hzflank wrote:
If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim.
Are you talking to Aquanim in this post?
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Aquanim. Read carefully. I think I have figured out the best way to exonerate yourself.
Pick your strongest scum read(other than Onegu) and make the best possible case you can for their lynch instead of yours.
If you do this, I will definitely be able to ascertain your alignment. If you refuse to do this, I will peg you as mafia and you will likely be lynched after Onegu.
I have thought about this a lot and this is the best possible play I could come up with. I will post my case on various people after you follow through.
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On June 29 2013 17:40 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 16:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Aquanim. Read carefully. I think I have figured out the best way to exonerate yourself.
Pick your strongest scum read(other than Onegu) and make the best possible case you can for their lynch instead of yours.
If you do this, I will definitely be able to ascertain your alignment. If you refuse to do this, I will peg you as mafia and you will likely be lynched after Onegu.
I have thought about this a lot and this is the best possible play I could come up with. I will post my case on various people after you follow through. Okay, I can do that. If you want my best possible case, it will take some time though. I intend to post it at the start of the one-hour night action resolution phase, unless you have some objection.
Not that late. We'll need some time to discuss it before I die tonight. I'll ask Hurricane and the others when they're available and we can set a deadline for you. You should probably get started ASAP and have it ready to post at any time 5 hours before night ends.
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Spicy, I would like to extend the same courtesy to you. Please make a strong case on your best scum read so that we may ascertain your alignment. Tell us why we should vote for him instead of you. If you do not do this, you will be the default lynch after Onegu dies.
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Spicy, I asked for something very specific. I wanted your case on ONE player. Please do this. Explain why that one player is scum. Convince me of it.
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On June 30 2013 00:25 Aquanim wrote:
@LoneMeow and StiMaDDict: I think it would be a good idea for both of you to tell us who your main suspect is as well.
This is what we need to see next.
@LoneMeow and StiM
You both need to make a case for ONE top scum read and convince us that he is mafia. You may give us what you think the rest of the mafia team is, but the necessary input is a good case on one read.
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