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Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it.
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Who do you think Alakaslam's teammates are if he is scum?
Who do you think Onegu's teammates are if he is scum?
Look at the bandwagons because scum will likely pick the same wagon.
This question is directed to all town, but I would like hzflank to answer specifically.
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On June 29 2013 01:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it. Stop avoiding me and answer my question about why you changed your mind about me.
I'm not avoiding you. Answering you is useless because I have changed my mind once again an I think you are scum. I don't new to tell you why I thought you were town at one point because I no longer think that is the case.
I might tell someone who I think is town, but I'm certainly not was in my time answering your questions when we need to be focusing on this lynch.
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Does the nosy neighbor know who he visits at night?
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We need hurricane to get on and confirm my theory. Hzflank, I would advise you to unvote at look at where the votes stand. Which wagon has people on it that you would consider to be on your scum list?
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On June 29 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Does the nosy neighbor know who he visits at night? I have to confirm but as far as I know he does NOT know who he visits at night. 'Aware of this behaviour' means simply that he knows he is a nosy neighbour.
Just as I suspected. Your thoughts, hzflank?
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On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin
If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you.
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On June 29 2013 01:39 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you.
Actually Hurricane is already on it, so we are gonna need to convince hzflank, StiM, or LoneMeow
Unfortunately, between StiM and LoneMeow, there is probably 1 scum and I don't know which so we should work on convincing hzflank who I am almost certain is town.
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On June 29 2013 01:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:36 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 29 2013 01:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Does the nosy neighbor know who he visits at night? I have to confirm but as far as I know he does NOT know who he visits at night. 'Aware of this behaviour' means simply that he knows he is a nosy neighbour. Just as I suspected. Your thoughts, hzflank? This doesnt change much, if he is NN it still means he was the only one who could have visited him. But we need to hear fromHurricane first.
It explains Hurricane's behavior and why he couldn't trust you. It establishes Hurricane as town and not the mafia framer, which hzflank was worried about.
If Hurricane isn't mafia, then there are very few people left that could possibly be on a potential Alakaslam's scum team.
1) Obviously, someone on Alakaslam's scum team wouldn't be voting for Alakaslam at this point, so we can eliminate anyone doing that.
Remaining Options:
FirmTofu
StiMaDDict
LoneMeow
I know I am town and I think hzflank agrees, so hzflank would have to say that both StiM and LoneMeow are scum in this scenario. This doesn't seem very likely from my point of view.
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On June 29 2013 01:51 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:46 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:36 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 29 2013 01:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Does the nosy neighbor know who he visits at night? I have to confirm but as far as I know he does NOT know who he visits at night. 'Aware of this behaviour' means simply that he knows he is a nosy neighbour. Just as I suspected. Your thoughts, hzflank? This doesnt change much, if he is NN it still means he was the only one who could have visited him. But we need to hear fromHurricane first. It explains Hurricane's behavior and why he couldn't trust you. It establishes Hurricane as town and not the mafia framer, which hzflank was worried about. If Hurricane isn't mafia, then there are very few people left that could possibly be on a potential Alakaslam's scum team. 1) Obviously, someone on Alakaslam's scum team wouldn't be voting for Alakaslam at this point, so we can eliminate anyone doing that. Remaining Options:FirmTofu StiMaDDict LoneMeow I know I am town and I think hzflank agrees, so hzflank would have to say that both StiM and LoneMeow are scum in this scenario. This doesn't seem very likely from my point of view.
EBWOP: If you subscribe to the belief that Hurricane AND FirmTofu are town but Alakaslam is mafia, then you must believe that StiM and LoneMeow are scum as well.
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On June 29 2013 01:51 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:44 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:39 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you. Actually Hurricane is already on it, so we are gonna need to convince hzflank, StiM, or LoneMeow Unfortunately, between StiM and LoneMeow, there is probably 1 scum and I don't know which so we should work on convincing hzflank who I am almost certain is town. You think that I have the deciding vote? Fair enough. ##UnvoteScum, get on board and defend your team mate, because I am not placing my vote until the last second.
Thank you. I think you have made the right decision.
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On June 29 2013 01:58 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:53 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:51 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 01:44 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:39 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you. Actually Hurricane is already on it, so we are gonna need to convince hzflank, StiM, or LoneMeow Unfortunately, between StiM and LoneMeow, there is probably 1 scum and I don't know which so we should work on convincing hzflank who I am almost certain is town. You think that I have the deciding vote? Fair enough. ##UnvoteScum, get on board and defend your team mate, because I am not placing my vote until the last second. Thank you. I think you have made the right decision. I have not yet made a decision. I have made what I believe is the best play at this time. I cannot make a decision until we hear from Hurricane, Lone and Stim. I do not want my vote to influence their play. I will make my decision once they have made theirs.
No, I meant that the decision to unvote and only vote at the last minute was the right decision.
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On June 29 2013 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
What case do I make?
I call again to my initial reaction. Does that seem like a fabricated scenario? I was totally thinking I was agreeing with Onegu, not contradicting him. I was even laughing about green not keeping his eyes off pink!
And then what. My slow realization that I was starting a much bigger event...
Please explain how my reaction looks calculated at all.
Because its not, and it's OMGiS again. At least it may turn out well.
Yeah, your reaction SCREAMS town to me. I cannot imagine that a mafia team planned to make you counterclaim and wanted you to deliberately appear flustered.
Scum team would want you to appear confident so people would believe you, if anything.
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On June 29 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it. Then with this why didnt I claim tracker? Why watcher? With your theory If I claim I tracked hurricane to Alakaslam wouldnt that be the best course of action with no risk?
Because claiming tracker would get people to immediately consider the possibility that you are the mafia tracker not the town's tracker.
Both claims have equal risk until you realize that claiming watcher is smarter because no one can say that you are actually a mafia watcher.
I don't know why I'm telling you this because you have already thought all of this through.
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On June 29 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it. Then with this why didnt I claim tracker? Why watcher? With your theory If I claim I tracked hurricane to Alakaslam wouldnt that be the best course of action with no risk? Also with your case for what reason would scum track hurricane?
To see if he was blue. To try and decide whether he would be a good target for the following night.
I mean, you are scum, so you tell me.
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On June 29 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it. Then with this why didnt I claim tracker? Why watcher? With your theory If I claim I tracked hurricane to Alakaslam wouldnt that be the best course of action with no risk? Also with your case for what reason would scum track hurricane?
Scum would track hurricane to check whether he was a blue role or not. Perhaps they want to know if he would be a good target for the following night. You are scum, so you tell me.
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Oh, my first post went through. Ignore that last one.
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On June 29 2013 02:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2013 01:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Last night, the mafia tracker Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu learned that Hurricane visited Alakaslam.
This scenario is compatible with Alakaslam's claim that he tracked Onegu who visited Hurricane.
Today, Onegu was being pressured hard and wanted to get the pressure off of himself. He decided that the best way would be to claim watcher and say he watched Alakaslam and have his "strongest town read" confirm him.
The problem was that Hurricane is the Nosy Neighbor and didn't actually know where he went. That's why Hurricane came into the thread accusing Onegu, not Alakaslam.
This establishes that 1) Onegu did not make a bad move as scum. Risky? Sure. Bad? No.
2) Hurricane is innocent.
For all those who vote Alakaslam, you must ask yourselves who the other two mafias are. StiM and LoneMeow is a cop out answer.
Look at how fast the Alakaslam wagon is rising. I guaruntee that all or most of scum are already on it. Then with this why didnt I claim tracker? Why watcher? With your theory If I claim I tracked hurricane to Alakaslam wouldnt that be the best course of action with no risk? Also with your case for what reason would scum track hurricane? To see if he was blue. To try and decide whether he would be a good target for the following night. I mean, you are scum, so you tell me. I am not scum and you brought up the point in your theory, so it was a fair question.
Yeah, it's fair. I wasn't denying that.
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We don't need Hurricane to confirm unless it is critical to convincing hzflank/StiM/LoneMeow to vote for Onegu.
First one of those 3 people has to state that Hurricane's role will decide their vote, and then Hurricane can decide whether it is worth it to claim.
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I really wish StiM and LoneMeow would be more active. Whichever one of them is town may singlehandedly lose the game for town.
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