EPTnow obviously it goes without saying, do not expect anything great out of me.
that said, i will win.
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On June 18 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: I laughed. Not because I think you're wrong, but for the fact you said it. I have ~20 games. It isn't a ton but it's above the count of quite a few players on the list. Plus, I'm obviously going to carry this game. | ||
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On June 18 2013 05:06 marvellosity wrote: I love you yamato <3 | ||
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Of the two, I'm more likely to believe that Sloosh is the scum because his posting as scum is godawful. | ||
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On June 21 2013 12:48 Oatsmaster wrote: coag always wants to lynch marv so thats of no value. Sloosh is making a joke. Yeah, but it's an awkward, terrible joke. | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:45 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote Oatsmaster For voting the guy writing in rhymes. HAPA NO HAPA WHY ARE YOU SCUM?! | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:49 DarthPunk wrote: Calm the fuck down. Jesus. Hapa is like the most obvious scum ever. WE don't need to overreact off one throwaway post. PLus it's his first post of the game and oates was being silly. Seriously though, what the fuck is going on with everyone this game? Hapa and I know each other well. Don't concern yourself with what goes on between us. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:02 Hapahauli wrote: dude, you said over Skype a couple of days ago that you'd roleclaim to me you haven't roleclaimed yet, what gives? T_T @ Oats I'm not going to make the same mistake as last game and say that Cora is 100% town. Scum are capable of early-game sheannanies like that. However his behavior so far is indicative of a fearless townie. He's posting rhyming lyrics for crying out loud. We'll see if he can keep up with his behavior of course, but so far so good from him. That being said, nothing you're jumping on is remotely scummy. Like, how on earth is a policy lynch on Marv alignment indicative? I said I would breadcrumb my alignment to you. But since you're scum, you know my alignment already. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: why dont you change your playstyle so you dont get lynched? like you did? owait | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:19 DarthPunk wrote: I don't know if it's just me but every time i play with obvious I want to lynch him. Is this game inclusive in that vague statement, perchance? | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato We're at about ~5 pages of filter, so you should have enough information to carry this game. What are your thoughts on the players who have posted so far? Coag and DP are the only people I'm actually worried about at this point. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:25 Hapahauli wrote: Talk to me about DP a bit. It usually takes me a while to have a concrete read on him, so I'm surprised you have worries this early. He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:31 DarthPunk wrote: So you are 'worried about me for no reason' and the only thing you mention is something which i have done consistently as both alignments since the beginning of time. Why would you mention me at all if you actually had no reason for the read? And what about coag? What has coag done to make you worried? It's precisely that neither of you have done anything particularly townish at all that worries me. It's obviously early, but I have quite a few soft town reads already. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:33 Hapahauli wrote: This makes absolutely no sense. DarthPunk is one of the most notoriously hard-to-read players on TL. Why would him not doing "anything particularly townish" be a cause for concern? Especially when he's incredibly good at acting "townish" as scum? It's a process of elimination, obviously. I'm not worried about the other people who have posted. I am still perplexed about DP and Coag's alignment. I don't think there's that much to argue about, really. Both of you seem to be admitting to the fact that nothing he has done is alignment indicative. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:35 cDgCorazon wrote: So far I feel like the criticism of DP has been a bit over the top. Someone isn't scummy just because you can't read them. That's just really silly logic. Did I say he was scummy? | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:37 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah, don't try and explain this away. You made reads and are now backing out of them because you had nothing to back them. Why make them in the first place? Townies don't make reads just for the sake of it. You pulled shit out of your arse for no reason just so you could say something. Seems suspect. I never said I though you were scum. It's been clear that I'm only looking at you because you aren't acting townish, when you are more than capable of doing so. Now, you could still be town, but nonetheless, you're worth watching. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:38 Hapahauli wrote: So what is it exactly that you mean by "worry"? If you think DP is a null read, that's a very odd word choice. Also, does the bolded imply that you have town-reads on every other person who has posted in this game? Because I find that very hard to believe given the sample-size thusfar. I have weak town reads on most of the other players in the game, for varying reasons. At the very least, I can ignore them until later in the game when their alignment should be clearer. Why DP isn't one of those town reads is cause for concern, yes. He's been perfectly readable in the past. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote: why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong? This is the kind of thing I expect out of a scum Shiao. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:44 Hapahauli wrote: You have town-reads on SloOsh, Sylencia, and ObviousOne already? This needs some 'splainin. Sloosh and Sylencia are people to ignore until later in the game. Sloosh is obvious as town and absolutely lurk-fucking-tastic as mafia. No need to concern myself when time will tell with him. Sylencia might be a coinflip either way, to be honest, so I ignore him until he flips or something. OO's townread of Oats is ballsy at that point. I don't expect a scum OO to jump into the game calling someone under fire town. Coag is worth worrying about because I have no idea how he plays, but he's obviously here, reading the thread, just not very active except when mentioned. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:49 Coagulation wrote: actually as town I usually claim my power role in PM/breadcrumb asap because of the simple fact that I never fucking look town no matter how hard I try anyway so its pretty laughable to be making an issue of it couple hours deep in the game. Well, I've never played with you, so how am I supposed to know where to put you? In with Sylencia you go, then. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:50 Hapahauli wrote: Ok, that's fair. Offering a town-read and calling him a good policy-lynch isn't exactly a "ballsy" opening. I really don't understand why you equate null with "worry-some" Why would scum OO call Oats town at that moment? Unless he's just posting to post, I don't see it. that may be the case, but I feel that it's more likely that he's town from that post than scum. Null reads are not town reads, which means that they COULD be scum reads, I just don't know yet. So until they give me a reason not to, I concern myself with reading their posts and trying to figure out their motivations. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:54 DarthPunk wrote: So why, then, did you expect him to look town already, and thus justify your 'suspicion of him' I generally assume people I don't know have the ability to look town on their own. My mistake, obviously. | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:00 Coagulation wrote: well if my theory holds I already solved the game so you can think me post game. MARV/OATS scum team owned ez. What makes you think there are only 2 scum in a 14 player game? | ||
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On April 22 2013 11:54 ShiaoPi wrote: Sooo....more or less caught up now. Let's first clarify my stance on BM: I was curious if anyone would just jump on it without too much reasoning. Now on BM in general I loathe his play as it is fucking terrible as town, look at the endgame of LVII for more details. Raynepelikoneet: Nothing to see here. TheRavensName: Just some noobing around. Hopeless1nder: Also nothing of note here. There you go, one sentence each. You also asked to have something on someone else with decent size? I CHOOSE YOU SHARRANT! In all seriousness, I do not like the direction your posting is going to: You begin by heaping suspicion on TRN with some crap arguments and drop you vote. I would not take offense if this was just used in terms of pressuring someone who's play you think is lackluster. However you do not even refer to him again as scummy as soon as other people said that they thought he was noob. TRN is absent during this time but even after he returns you seem to have conveniently forgotten his existence when you saw that nothing was sticking. I mean you do not even take into account the post TRN made after he popped back in: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote: Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now? Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere? Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town? Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.  Now if I recall correctly your potential scumlist right now should read something like: Rayne, TRN, Sylencia ? Soooo what happened to your read on TRN? Contemporary ScumShiao On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote: sorry went off for a round of dota The post I did was in order to verify if my impression of yamatos play is shared by everyone or at least some of the other players. so no that post was not only for the sake of saying something. Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now. Now on GK: The case on oats is bad since I have not seen anything really alignment indicative from oats right now. gk is just using oats playstyle against him to look contributing and scumhunting, usual scum motivation stuff. His play also feels a lot like I swear this is normal mini mafia, which just ended recently and where I and gk were scum. (minus the inactive replacement shenanis) Also gk is most surely familiar with oats' play so taking this "easy" target is something I think is clearly scummotivated + Show Spoiler + Buuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllsssssssshhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt | ||
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##Vote ShiaoPi Until further notice. | ||
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On June 22 2013 03:41 Hapahauli wrote: Yamato, I look forward to the explanation. Shaio's more recent posting moved him more back to null for me, and I really don't see what's similar about those two quotes you pointed out. 1) He makes a terrible opening post that he tries to brush off as meaningless 2) He goes on to divert attention to someone else ScumShiao | ||
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On June 22 2013 03:47 Hapahauli wrote: Hah. The architecture is uncannily similar. And wouldn't you think that this kind of "architecture" is exactly the kind of tell that gives away scum? Note that his terrible initial posting came under fire both games, indicating that he generally has a hard time making opening posts as mafia. As a tried and true tactic for getting out of it, he explains away his posts and chooses to divert attention to someone else he can quickly come up with a case on. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If he's pulled this exact maneuver as scum before, why wouldn't he do it again? | ||
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On June 22 2013 03:54 marvellosity wrote: No, I think it's precisely stuff like 'architecture' that's how meta is totally misapplied. So you don't think that I'm at all accurate in my analysis of what has gone on in this game and that game? | ||
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##unvote Notably, he is on my watch list still. | ||
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On June 22 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway, GK is still my top-scumread. His first post/entrance on Oats was pretty bad, and his second case on Shiao is based on him clearly not reading Shiao's posts. @ Rayn Current thoughts on Yamato? @ GK Ditto on Oats? You're not reading very hard if you think GK believes Shiao's case on him is totally meta. He says it is partly meta, which is absolutely true. | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:58 goodkarma wrote: If your case isn't based on meta, then why are you drawing on your experience with me from last game to incorrectly reach the conclusion that I'm scum this game? You in fact are relying in part on meta here... And without any kind of understanding of my townplay as a baseline to work from at that... I would be very interested in knowing who else you think is scum, or if I'm your one and only scumread atm? | ||
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On June 22 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: If it was GK's first time seeing Oats play, I'd understand a bit more. But he saw him in action as town last-game and should expect this wild, random behavior. Other than that, his cases just read very forced. He's harping on individual points that are incorrect (Shaio's case on GK being all meta) or non-allignment indicative (Oats moving on from his Hapa/DP scum-line) and calling people scum for it. The first point I've obviously proven demonstrably false. The second point is also unrepresentative of what went on, he specifically made the point multiple times that it was Oats' jump onto my wagon along with his abandonment of his other reads that made him suspicious, which I also thought was odd at the time. Later on it becomes clearer what is going on with Oats, and GK obviously realizes that as well. This is all in his filter, Hapa. | ||
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On June 22 2013 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: Yamato, are you reading the same thing I'm reading? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453¤tpage=24#479 Selections: Need I continue? Shiao's post WAS, at least in part, based on meta. That much is obvious, and that part is the part that GK takes issue with. | ||
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That being the case, it's ridiculously disturbing that Hapa comes in with a pseudo-case on me after Oats and DP both agree that I'm somehow still scummy. None of this was said while I was talking to Hapa earlier, nor has he seemed particularly enthusiastic about lynching me in the first place. Hapa as scum would be afraid to attack me openly and directly, especially without support, but Hapa as town would be fearless and bullheaded in his suspicion of me, if it actually existed. The way Hapa has played this so far, I'm reasonably convinced that he is mafia. His noncommittal stance on me and his weak reads elsewhere are not what I would expect from town Hapa. This Hapa seems much more content with blending in than actually leading discussion, a trait that I associate directly with scum Hapa. Looks like I should have gone with my gut from his first post. ##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by. Sylencia is apparently replacing out, which is a scum tell lately. Everyone else besides yourself, DP, Ange, and Shaio seem relatively town enough for me to write them off FOR TODAY. There are, indeed, other parts of Shaio's play I don't like, but they aren't convincing enough to make me want to lynch him. He was lynchbait in my first scumgame while he was alive, and you guys did end up lynching his replacement largely as a result of this. Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read. | ||
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On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote: What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him. Also, So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia? Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >> Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't. You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me. | ||
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I'll look at Rayn. OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while. | ||
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fuuuuuuuuu this town so lurky. I go to bed hoping to see OO/Shiao posts when I wake up. I'm getting the itch to lynch into useless people. | ||
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DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is. Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk? | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:46 cDgCorazon wrote: I've played 3 (were you in personality 2?) games with you when I was town. The first game (Duel Mafia), I attacked you for a bit and then realized you were town. The second I attacked you and you were scum (Personality), and the third game you tried to OMGUS me and gave up once no one believed you were town (Red Team). You're pulling out of your reads way too easily, just like in Red Team's Prize. You're not helping out town and you're not acting like town Yamato. I wasn't scum in Personality... But anyway, there's obviously a change in my behavior, and it's because I've gotten better at the game since Duel Mini. I de-tunnel so much better than I used to, and it's obvious with how I've played this game. My reads are not "pulled out of thin air". As mafia I don't have reads. Reread RTP and find me giving anywhere near this amount of scum reads and I'll be shocked. I think you're obviously confirmation biased if you think my play this game at all resembles the game where most of my filter was arguing that prplhz was town. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is fucking bad. yamato, did you do the re-read on me as you promised to Hapa? Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me that you aren't mafia. I still don't think Hapa is mafia though. Or if he is, he's gotten better at acting like his town self than normal. His last post where he talked about not wanting to spam a lot and stuff seemed genuine. I know Hapa has wanted to change how he played for a while. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:53 DarthPunk wrote: What the fuck. If you don't think I have been trying to figure the game out you are either scum or retarded or both.As to my drop off inn activity. It's saturday. I was being social. Your reads are essentially the same as they were over 24 hours ago and you basically refuse to talk about anything else. No, you aren't involved in figuring out the game. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:52 cDgCorazon wrote: By "pulling out of your reads", I meant backing down on them way too easily. It's ok to de-tunnel, but not only after one person decides that they don't agree with you. Fine, I will go take a look at them. I will be gone for three hours so I will get back to you guys after that. I back down when I feel like my reasons for voting are no longer meaningful. With Shiao, the similarity in post structure was striking to me, but Marv was right to say that it's not a very good tell to rely on that. Aside from that, Shiao is still somewhat suspicious to me because of his entrance to the game, and his overall lack of meaningful reads aside from apparently thinking that GK is scum. It's obvious that I have felt this way about him throughout the game. With Hapa, I think I've explained it well. In my last exchange with him, he came across as genuine. He could be wily scum faking it, but I doubt it. The way to read Hapa is entirely through his involvement with the game, which is obviously lower than normal, but it's explainable by him wanting to change his style of play. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: yamato. Why are you voting and unvoting within like a page of posts? hapa is the 2nd guy you have done that to. I would say you have NO READS. All the scumreads apparently vanish in this game. You arent pushing shit. I dont even know 1 person you currently think is scum. And its 7 hours to lynch. YAMATO IS SCUM GUYS. hapa might be oo possibly Lolno. I think OO, Shaio, and DP are all possibly scum. You're not reading very hard if you can't tell that. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of him buying your explanations so quicky? Also why did you not want to re-read DP but me (as DP was a "worrysome" read of yours) when Hapa laid out his reads? I've paid close attention to DP this game, and he obviously feels the same as me regarding him, so there's no reason to reread him. You, on the other hand, I have thought were town the since you started posting, so when Hapa says he thinks you might be scum, I have to look at you again, because I'm not paying close attention to you because I think you're town. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote: also yamato So when someone is on another dude you think is scum. That someone is scummy? Like I completely do not get what logic you are using Scum never bus in your world? | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:02 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. Obvious hasn;t been around for 24 hours. some times it just simple. This is one of those times. I like to focus on one thing at a time. Ask marv. Lazy DP is scum DP. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote: ok misread that. whoops. Anyway. Case on DP. Now. Read the thread. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote: yamato, if you are town, im never playing with you again. Oats, the reasons I think DP is scum are throughout my filter. Read it. I'm not making a case just to satisfy you. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:13 DarthPunk wrote: Don;t you even dare try and use meta on me. This heurisitic is fucking bullshit. But if you want to use it I suggest you pull some evidence from my previous games. Hint: I can be and am lazy as both alignments. Lol, you've said that line about everything you've done this game. How are we supposed to arrive at any solid conclusion about your alignment based on meta when you apparently do everything as both alignments? Otherwise, we could just lynch you for being useless and scummy and be done with it. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote: if you can quote more than 5 lines. do it. You do the reading. It's part of playing mafia. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's bad. Also how about you also answer my questions? I already did. I don't see a point in talking about Sloosh when he hasn't been completely useless. Sloosh's alignment is more clear the longer the game goes on. I'm willing to let him slide just based on the fact that he posted anything that resembles a read whatsoever. | ||
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Well then you're scum for fucking off since the first 12 hours of the game. Die in a fire. ##Vote Darthpunk | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: So yamato thinks DP is scum because his interest has waned. Interesting. More like dropped off a cliff. Note that his reads are the exact same as they were near the start of the game, and he downright refuses to talk about anything else. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck are yamato and DP both saying "i don't want to lynch someone because they made posts with words"? Sloosh is easy to catch as mafia. He simply doesn't post anything useful at all. His posts have reads, no? I've seen town Sloosh do this exact same disappearing act on day 1 in Nomination. It's not worth discussing further until he posts more. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:41 DarthPunk wrote: where the fuck is sloosh by the way? I hate that you're so obviously not reason the thread. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:42 yamato77 wrote: I hate that you're so obviously not reason the thread. EBWOP: reading* | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:44 DarthPunk wrote: OK yamato is scum. He is lurker lynching me when I am not a lurker. Obviously not a lurker lynch. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still want to hear what do you think Sloosh has posted is useful? Can you use quotes and explain it to me because i do not see it. I really CBA to go through and read his filter right now. If you think he's scum, we can talk about it, but otherwise, I'd rather ignore him. | ||
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At the very least, it should be obvious that the person with the secret vote isn't town, which should tell you something about the legitimacy of this wagon. I'll address DP and his bullshit after I get done eating, which is apparently equatable to "fucking off". | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you just get another reason to not comment on what you have asked to comment on? Seriously, die scum! Ask me a legitimate question and I'll answer you. If you think Sloosh is scum, give a reason rather than having me argue against a phantom idea. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:50 Coagulation wrote: yamato you are scummy as fuck now that I think about it. You started off waving your dick around @ signups and as soon as roles are sent your suddenly playing this super passive aggressive clearly only attacking people who are spotlighted by general town sentiments at the moment. You seem to be using some kind of hit and run tactic that is giving you minimal exposure to the bandwagons. and maximum "Keep my ass on the level" So me pointing at DP early in the game when everyone thought he was town is only attacking people who are in the spotlight? What about questioning Hapa when most people had the impression, at that time, that he was town? You argument holds no water. Anything I did pregame was in jest. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:57 Coagulation wrote: its not fucking meta its a fucking attitude shift. I think you're grasping here. I'm playing how I generally play, which is open about my reads and pursuant of my suspicions. Not all of them work out all the time. Can we just agree to lynch DP? We both agree that he's a good lynch, and I've been wary of him the whole game. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:52 slOosh wrote: Apologies ^.^ What I took out of it was that yamato backed off, so he must have some degree of town read + respect for you (marv) and Hapa. He (yamato) said he will put him (ShiaoPi) on his watch list, which is great because it means more stuff from ShiaoPi and yamato held to higher degree of contribution. Nothing worrisome yet for me. I like this ObviousOne direction. Let's hammer out some more discussion / focus on him. Here's what caught my eye He asks Coag (of all people), about his thoughts on Oats (a town read). If he wanted thoughts on Oats, there were people already talking about it. If he wanted thoughts from Coag, I think there could have been better questions. Do you think this is strange / different / scummy? This is perfectly good analysis of two separate situations that Sloosh made. It makes sense, it's largely in agreement with how I view the situations, and it's genuine in nature. Do you somehow think anything sloosh has said doesn't make sense? He seems perfectly fine to me and I fail to understand your suspicion of his play. | ||
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I want to know why you think Sloosh being suspicious of you makes sense, if you're supposed to be town. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato wanna lynch OO? That does seem like he's not trying particularly hard to do these things. In my experience, town OO would be reading closer than that. If we're not lynching DP, I'll lynch OO. | ||
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I don't think Coag is scum, so I'm rather inclined to think he's right in his perspective on this situation. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato are you scum with OO? No, but his explanation actually makes some sense. I can believe town OO is resigned to having played badly and could understand how Sloosh thinks he's scum. Not every town player thinks they look obvtown. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, if you are town and someone makes a case (or like here, a "case") on you you don't fucking go and say "that guy is telling the truth". That's not what you do as town, EVER! He didn't say he's telling the truth, he said that it makes sense that Sloosh says it. There's a distinction between thinking someone is right, and thinking that someone believes what they are saying. | ||
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Of the people accusing me, which is more likely to have a role that has a secret vote? Is it DP, Cora, Rayn, or Oats? From my perspective, Oats is immediately dismissed because of his questioning the secret vote after the count was posted. Corazon is also probably not the holder because of timing. Rayn is also likely not the person with the secret vote, because he's obviously town, and he would have no reason to hide his intention of lynching me. DP, on the other hand, I do not think is town. He is the most logical choice because he seems the least town out of the four. He also left this vote and his real vote on different targets, and has repeatedly stated his desire to lynch both of us. This vote could not have come from town, because town has no reason to hide who they vote for, and if they did have the vote, they would claim it. This vote has to have come from mafia, and it has to have come from DP. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually am not sure of you being mafia because you noticed the same stuff about OO i did. What still worries me is that you are unwilling to vote for the mafia dude. When you read OO's posting since the apparent mistake, does it seem like he's scum scarmbling to cover it up? Not to me. He's been consistent in his explanation the whole time. It's also conceivably true that OO is self-critical about his play and understands how Sloosh could have viewed his posting as scummy / suspicious. I hesitate to vote from him because I feel there's a good chance that he's town. This chance does not exist with DP, who I firmly believe to be mafia. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:17 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin all, catchin up You. I'm watching you. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was me who questioned the secret vote, not Oats. Oats called it WIFOM. Regardless, his interaction with the vote makes it unlikely that he's the holder. The holder would probably not want to acknowledge its existence, like DP did when he left. Oats has no reason to make the vote and then post about it. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. I do not think that scumslips truly exist, after my experience with BH in Les Mafia. | ||
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Why would scum OO ever make that mistake? Wouldn't scum OO be more wary of people who are suspicious of him than to apparently agree with them? Nevermind that he didn't actually say that it was the truth, he just said that he understood how Sloosh could see it that way. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote: Yamato what do you think about Shiao? Could still be scum, would rather lynch DP. Seriously, he's actually demonstrably mafia. | ||
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I analysed it on the last page. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. | ||
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Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote: Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working. Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: Again, I'm not making a lynch decision based on the assumption that the Secret Vote is a scum role. Could be 3rd party, and hell I do think it could be some town "double-voter" role. But behaviorally, what makes DP scum? I don't want to coin-flip a lynch on an active player, and there are better targets for such lynches. What makes him scum? He's actually not as active as you think. Look at the content of his posts. It essentially hasn't changed since the beginning of the game. He's posting to LOOK involved, but in reality, he's not even trying to do anything but get either of me or OO lynched, and hasn't even done a very good job of explaining why either of us are good lynches. He's repeated himself multiple times and made brevity posts, but it's obvious that he's not town from his involvement of the game. You admitted it yourself! The secret vote is obviously not town. Why would you care if its third party or scum? If he's 3P, he's obviously anti-town, because he's trying to kill a townie with his role. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote: That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote. However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote? The only people that have an interest in lynching me are: 1) incorrect townies (who I've ruled out) 2) Scum (DP may or may not be, and the other candidates for scum are largely lurkers) 3) Anti-town 3P (who DP may or may not be) You agree with me that most active players besides DP seem town enough. Lurkers simply aren't here in the game to make the vote at the right timing to get my lynched. Who else would it be but DP? LOOK AT THE TIMING. IT PERFECTLY COINCIDES WITH HIM LEAVING THE THREAD. On June 23 2013 00:38 Acrofales wrote: Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster (0): yamato77 (2): ShiaoPi (1): goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): ObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk Hapahauli (2): yamato77, raynpelikoneet ObviousOne is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in . The last votecount before the one with the secret vote. On June 23 2013 02:19 HiroPro wrote: Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster (0): yamato77 (3): ShiaoPi (1): goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): ObviousOne (2): Hapahauli (1): DarthPunk (1): yamato77 is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in . Less than 2 HOURS LATER, the votecount shows the vote. Who was in the thread that could have made the vote? DP. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here. STOP TUNNELING BE GOOD AND READ WHAT I'M POSTING I'M SOLVING THE GAME | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:43 cDgCorazon wrote: You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic. The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting. Why the fuck would that vote come from town? Just think about this without being tunneled and thinking I'm mafia. I've been suspicious of DP the WHOLE GAME. There's no flip-flop here. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it. It's not a scum claim. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:08 Hapahauli wrote: We have 3 hours. I'll vote DP over you in a heartbeat, but I'm going to be active until deadline, so I'll switch my vote when necessary. We have 1 hour. | ||
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Wait, 3 hours? Fuck man, just vote him so he's first to four and some fuck from the scum team can't seal my lynch. So many players aren't even here. | ||
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This "DP kick" is timed with his fucking scummy ass vote on me. It makes too much sense. I really don't give a single fuck when you think I should have voted him, I play how I want to play. Your reasons for voting me are bad and you're confirmation biased against me so bad you can't see that it's obvious that I'm 100% not scum. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:15 cDgCorazon wrote: DP is town. I'm willing to give Ange some more time to get more of her opinions out more: she has done a good job asking questions and if she's town and just hasn't explained her reads a bit more thoroughly it would be a really bad lynch for town. I'm in favor of lynching Oats, Yamato, or sloOsh. My problem is lynching sloOsh is that I could blame Adam, OO, and Ange for mostly the same things: lack of scumhunting and lack of activity. Why single out sloOsh? You can't just say DP is town and then say you want to lynch into 3 people who are more town than him by a mile. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:18 cDgCorazon wrote: You want to become better? Why don't you ask me why I think DP is town? Ever thought of that? Because you're wrong and I'm sure of it. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:28 cDgCorazon wrote: I have a strong feeling about DP being town for a couple of reasons: 1. His play has been productive and level-headed for most of the game. He is contributing to discussion and I don't believe he is hiding anything. His play seems very genuine to me and he has been very logical and reasonable in everyone he has analyzed. I don't see anything in his filter that looks scummy to me. 2. There have been a couple points where Hapa has been under fire. Instead of joining the wagon or not saying anything, DP has come out multiple (at least 5 times) to say that a Hapa lynch is a really stupid idea due to Hapa's importance to town. It would be so easy for scum DP to jump on the Hapa lynch train or to just sit out of the way and let a Hapa lynch train form. The fact that he went out of his way to defend Hapa means that he wants to keep Hapa alive for as long as possible, which would be super beneficial to town. I can explain both of those points by pointing out that he's only talked about me and OO the whole game, and nothing else. We are his reads. He didn't even call Hapa town, he just said he didn't want to lynch him day 1. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Well hey look, now my strong town read is going to be lynched. Please get off the DP train Yamato. I'd really rather not. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote: Terrible reasoning yamato, I've done role-shenannies before as mafia and I made sure I stayed the fuck out of the thread when I did so for precisely this reason. It just lines up too well, man. I don't think DP expected the votecount to get posted then. He left and placed it at the same time. It's just too perfect. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:41 marvellosity wrote: Yes and it's a conspiracy theory above all and you know how those go. If you're lynching someone because of vote timings and when people are in the thread when I *know* from my own experiences that mafia carefully plan around these things, then you're doing it wrong. How could he have planned around a votecount timing? I guarantee he set the vote and left thinking no one would put 2 and 2 together. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:46 cDgCorazon wrote: That is a ridiculous amount of WIFOM dude. But what if I'm right? It would be glorious, and he would be so mad, rofl. | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:12 cDgCorazon wrote: This is why I never talk about my town reads. Anyways, I'm not entirely sure if I should claim seeing as I'm getting lynched tomorrow. Cora, can you explain this further? Why would you tell the thread you have a role and not actually claim it? | ||
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You don't get off this easily. I've never seen a town player be as oblivious as to half-claim in the thread like this. It sounds to me like you're contemplating fake claiming. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:12 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm an unlynchable, unkillable Mafia GF/Mayor who has unlimited vigilante bullets and unlimited nightly checks. Oh, and I'm 3P and I win with town, but only if half of the players are dead and one of the mafia players has used a buzzword that the hosts won't tell me. Oh shit, you found me. Do you want to die? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps I used the wrong wording in how suspicious of Ange I was. Her sub-par D1 play was only revived by the fact that she voted for DP at just the right time. Then she goes on about how I look bad for voting DP which is so ridiculously obvious. I'm still feeling on edge after the DP vote because I thought I was going to be a prime lynch candidate because of it. I considered (and still do, but to a lesser degree) myself to be lynch bait and when she mentioned my name I saw her possibly as scum jumping on the lynchbait. She shouldn't be hailed as an angel just because she voted for DP. Everyone still has to do their part in the town. Ange is obviously town and you are a prime lynch candidate. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:29 cDgCorazon wrote: Way to follow thread sentiment yet again Yamato. Step up your play. ROFL. Get real. Lynched scum D1. GGNORE | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:26 cDgCorazon wrote: If you thought I was actually thinking about LAL-ing D2, you're wrong. I want Oats dead and I will vote for him as soon as possible. Also in my votepost, I did not mention the word "lurker". I used the word "subpar", which could include lurking, but also applies to players like Oats who have played an active yet scummy game. That one is interpreting my words in a way that makes your case. D2, I'm worried about Oats getting lynched. I'm very sure he is scum and I want to see him die. Once he dies, we can focus our energy elsewhere. D2 will also allow for players who have played a quiet game to either step up or stand out. This unfounded push on Oats is exactly why you're not town. | ||
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There's no good reason to believe that he's mafia. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote: Somewhat. He's being a lot more trolly this game which is throwing me off. The raw activity suggests he's town, but his refusal to substantiate anything is maddening. Welcome to every game ever with Oats. Anyway, work again. I'll see you guys in a while. | ||
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