Catch 22 Mafia

On June 18 2013 02:31 HiroPro wrote:
PTP doesn't have a set number of players. I believe deconduo is starting that game in two days with however many signups he has.

The only reason I have that rule is so that people who aren't really interested in any of the other games in signups have a game to play in and because people tend to not put in full effort when they're part of multiple games.

On June 21 2013 16:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
well my point is that as scum I feel he wouldve been way more helpful than so far as town cause he doesnt care about being lynched as town but he cares as scum.

On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read?

On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.

On June 21 2013 18:19 DarthPunk wrote:
About Yamato. His explanation just came across as genuine. Like he was backtracking and stuff but it seemed natural. And reasonably townie. Obviously Yamato leaving as soon as he ceased to be under pressure looks bad and he definitely needs to be looked at if he doesn't step up his game tomorrow.

Did his explanations not seem genuine to you?

Like I don't get how you could be so confident he is scum.

On June 21 2013 18:44 Oatsmaster wrote:

you know, he didnt really say everyone was town, he said that DP and coag didnt look like town.
Dont you think his reasons for calling DP scum bullshit?

On June 21 2013 19:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv and rayn, what do you guys think of ange?

On June 21 2013 21:41 DarthPunk wrote:


Like what do you expect people to say about her? shea hasn't done anything but ask some questions.

On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
sorry went off for a round of dota



The post I did was in order to verify if my impression of yamatos play is shared by everyone or at least some of the other players. so no that post was not only for the sake of saying something.



Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now.

Now on GK:
The case on oats is bad since I have not seen anything really alignment indicative from oats right now. gk is just using oats playstyle against him to look contributing and scumhunting, usual scum motivation stuff. His play also feels a lot like I swear this is normal mini mafia, which just ended recently and where I and gk were scum. (minus the inactive replacement shenanis)
Also gk is most surely familiar with oats' play so taking this "easy" target is something I think is clearly scummotivated

On June 22 2013 00:32 ShiaoPi wrote:


I think mainly based on gut feeling and comparison with the last game as scum we had together. Cant remember the last time goodkarma rolled town with me playing as well.
Also you just objectively judged that the case is terribad, so why do you need so much meta? Meta is much more of a helpful factor in my opinion not necessarily the argument to get somebody lynched. So I see gk doing that case on oats which is scummy as shit and then compare it to his play in I swear, I think its similar so it reinforces my scumread on him...
To be honest I don't even know what your problem is

On June 22 2013 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why did you post that?

On June 22 2013 00:43 cDgCorazon wrote:


So I explain my reasoning for a possible vote on Yamato later. Since many people are all for doing things without explaining them, I thought I would make things a bit easier for everyone...showing that pro-town atmosphere that a lot of you decide to not show.

On June 22 2013 00:49 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
what is your current read on GK anyway?

On June 22 2013 01:33 goodkarma wrote:


This list is the very definition of "easy targets." And why are you in list form dishing out multiple null reads?

On June 22 2013 19:26 ShiaoPi wrote:
wow goodkarma's case one me was just as terrible as the one on oats.
Fairly happy with where my vote is right now.
Just for the sake of refuting:
I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified.

I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others.
Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now
Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished.

None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays.
I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline.

He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy.

On June 22 2013 08:05 slOosh wrote:

Umm ... his other posts look better. I like that he is posting on goodkarma, which is "unique" (opposed to going with the flow non contributary post scum sometimes make). I'll wait on reading goodkarma's posts and their interaction before I can give you a better judgement call than that.

On June 23 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
We can back and forth on how you and I view yamato's meta, but I don't see the point. I think I know yamato better than you do and I think I'm right.

I don't really care why you think Cora is town. Why should I?

On June 23 2013 00:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rayn
Perhaps that is a good question for Hapa himself. I'd say he was trying not to get himself in a tunnel of GK, as there is more than 1 mafia member. I don't see a problem with it. He's been suspicious of Yamato the whole game, it's not like he just switched out of nowhere. I don't have a problem with it.

On June 23 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
Yes. For example, in Fruity mafia he did jack shit all day, and left his vote on some random outside person and abandoned the thread, despite the fact that there was a town wagon and a mafia wagon competing violently towards the end of the day. He just doesn't care.

On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:


You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one.

On June 23 2013 00:52 yamato77 wrote:

Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me that you aren't mafia.

I still don't think Hapa is mafia though. Or if he is, he's gotten better at acting like his town self than normal. His last post where he talked about not wanting to spam a lot and stuff seemed genuine. I know Hapa has wanted to change how he played for a while.

On June 23 2013 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you think of him buying your explanations so quicky? Also why did you not want to re-read DP but me (as DP was a "worrysome" read of yours) when Hapa laid out his reads?

On June 23 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:


Yes, but you're wrong. No-one is unlynchable day 1. The reason it's a particularly bad idea to lynch me in particular day 1 is because my style swings around a lot so it's hard to get an accurate read. Hapa is actually a paragon of consistency.

Why don't you just comment on the case?

On June 23 2013 01:05 ObviousOne wrote:

Do you honestly think those things were unhelpful in any way, or are you just being petulant because you expect more of me? So you don't want to know what I'm thinking? Do you really think I'm gonna quote and respond to something on every page of the game as I catch up? Those are things that happened NOT LONG AFTER I WAS GONE and are in some way pertinent to me (something that looks like a case but doesn't call me scum, and something I would consider a case on DP and grounds to call him scum). So you can like, deal with it 'cause it's already done. No taksie-backsies.

On June 23 2013 01:16 yamato77 wrote:

Lol, you've said that line about everything you've done this game.

How are we supposed to arrive at any solid conclusion about your alignment based on meta when you apparently do everything as both alignments? Otherwise, we could just lynch you for being useless and scummy and be done with it.

On June 23 2013 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:


I didn't want to comment on the case because I didn't want to give a hapa lynch traction. I think it is a bad idea to lynch hapa day one and I want people to vote for obvious. Therefore I dismiss the case on hapa for now and draw focus back to the lynch I want.

On June 23 2013 01:35 DarthPunk wrote:



You know what I think about your case? I think it was bad. I think it took you a long time to say not much about why hapa is scum and CERTAINLY nothing convincing enough to make me want to lynch hapa day one.

Like basically you are saying hapa didn't respond to a question and was vague about scum reads. Fine. That is not enough to lynch anyone. If your case had blown me away then I would be far more willing to (IMO) waste time talking about a hapa lynch over an obvious lynch. But it didn't so I wasn't.

On June 23 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:

Sloosh is easy to catch as mafia. He simply doesn't post anything useful at all. His posts have reads, no? I've seen town Sloosh do this exact same disappearing act on day 1 in Nomination. It's not worth discussing further until he posts more.

On June 23 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:

I really CBA to go through and read his filter right now.

If you think he's scum, we can talk about it, but otherwise, I'd rather ignore him.

On June 23 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:

Ask me a legitimate question and I'll answer you. If you think Sloosh is scum, give a reason rather than having me argue against a phantom idea.

On June 23 2013 02:43 ObviousOne wrote:

Still not seeing a question. Did you not have one? When you said you were waiting for a response, did you mean you were waiting for me to come back / post?

On June 23 2013 02:53 ObviousOne wrote:

Without fail, I have always thought sloosh is scum every game because of his activity. I'm trying to not hold that against him this time and gauge him on the way he does participate. So far he's identified a town read in Marv, is latching on and is going to look into the same things, and has stated intent to improve his performance. He got more done in a handful of posts while he was here than I did for the entire first half of the cycle. If anyone is unwilling to lynch me there should be no reason they want to lynch sloosh, either.

On June 23 2013 03:08 ObviousOne wrote:

What did I misread? Can I blame it on my iPod and the glare of the sun?

On June 23 2013 03:14 ObviousOne wrote:

I implied I think it's a valid viewpoint for sloosh to see me as scum and that I do not see sloosh as scum because he is being townier than I am. Does that make sense?

On June 23 2013 03:15 Coagulation wrote:
thats not a scum claim.

you guys just went full retard.

On June 23 2013 03:15 Coagulation wrote:
and who the fuck is goag?

On June 23 2013 03:18 Coagulation wrote:
just because OO believes sloosh is town doesnt mean hes required to believe exclusively everything sloosh believes/says.

On June 23 2013 03:20 Coagulation wrote:
calling it now

Marv/DP/Raynpelikoneet scum team.

gg

On June 23 2013 03:24 ObviousOne wrote:

How are you equating that I believe what sloosh is saying with my opinion on his level of effort and engagement in the thread? Do you not see how that is incorrect?

On June 23 2013 03:25 Coagulation wrote:
Marv so far has completely failed to put any pressure at all on me. He seems content with leaving me fucking off calling him scum like herpderp because he knows its not gonna gain traction. Instead hes focused on the bigger players in the game cause he doesnt see me as a threat.. town marv wouldnt be so passive about me IMO.

On June 23 2013 03:39 yamato77 wrote:
For example, I think you believe that I am mafia, but I know that you're incorrect in that assertion.

On June 23 2013 03:53 yamato77 wrote:

When you read OO's posting since the apparent mistake, does it seem like he's scum scarmbling to cover it up? Not to me. He's been consistent in his explanation the whole time. It's also conceivably true that OO is self-critical about his play and understands how Sloosh could have viewed his posting as scummy / suspicious.

I hesitate to vote from him because I feel there's a good chance that he's town. This chance does not exist with DP, who I firmly believe to be mafia.

On June 23 2013 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:


I'm not accusing of you of thinking that now. I'm saying that a major portion of your old case on me is about Yamato. Take that out, and there's very little else of substance.

So what is it exactly that you find me scummy for then?

On June 23 2013 12:27 Hapahauli wrote:


Okay, and what specifically about my game points to that?

You can make statements about my play, cool, but I can't exactly defend myself if you provide no rationale for it.

On June 23 2013 12:40 Hapahauli wrote:


Literally half of your case that you asked me to answer was based on my views on Yamato. Do you want me to quote your own case for you? Surely you can read it.



Yes it is. You were basically accusing me of dropping suspicion on you then leaving. When I posted something at 5am in the morning as my final thoughts before I went to bed. I obviously had no chance to elaborate on my suspicions, since I was drooling on my pillow.

On June 23 2013 12:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, how can you hammer Hapa for not being on the DP lynch when you yourself were also not on that lynch?

On June 23 2013 13:00 Adam4167 wrote:
Then why say this:



What point are you trying to make with the underlined if not that Hapa wasnt on the DP wagon?

On June 23 2013 13:02 Hapahauli wrote:
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I just addressed your case and you are not responding to me oh my god

On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).

On June 24 2013 03:03 cDgCorazon wrote:


Well since I am not Hapahauli, I can't give you a possible explanation for that exchange.
I believe that Hapa was trying to get a read on Yamato by asking him about his case on ShiaoPi. Hapa said that he talks with Yamato a lot and knows his playstyle, so he could have been trying to figure out whether Yamato is town or scum. Trying to figure out Yamato doesn't seem scummy to me.

On June 24 2013 04:13 Coagulation wrote:


was this in response to someone asking you to re read something? If this isnt a response then its like a 100% scum imo.

town aligned player would have zero incentive to say "im not reading today"

this is 100% mafia aligned statement.

On June 24 2013 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I wanted to ask you that because you brought that up yourself and i do not think it's anything concrete as you just said - GK is alive.

Do you think it's more probable that there were two scum wagons at the end of the day 1 than only one?
Also if GK is in fact mafia, do you think ShiaoPi could be mafia. Like, thay did nothing than attack each other on D1?

On June 24 2013 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:


Do you think Adam is scum, or that he's just not a town-read of yours?



I have him behaviorally as town, though my town-read has somewhat waned with the whole Ange thing. That, and his town-read on Darth Punk was really really weird looking back at it.

So yeah, a bit of a wishy-washy answer, but I'm assuming I'll have 48 hours with him tomorrow to set things straight.

On July 05 2013 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
rayn I shot you cause I dont like you.

On July 05 2013 08:10 Coagulation wrote:
Bitch plz I carried this fucking game.

On July 05 2013 08:12 ObviousOne wrote:
I dunno. Don't know how to close out a scum game yet. Tried to make it look like it was sloosh's shot but I guess I fucked up enough D1.