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Sloosh is making a joke. | ||
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So why do you wanna lynch people for making a joke? | ||
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On June 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: LOL you guys are so silly. Only person I would want to lynch is oats for wanting to lynch cora. you wanna lynch me like every game How were your exams? | ||
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I have not got to endgame since carnival. | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:00 cDgCorazon wrote: Let's lynch Oats for not having a sense of humor. lets lynch cora for not being able to take a joke about himself. | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:04 yamato77 wrote: Why is everything a joke to you, Oats? not everything. just select statements | ||
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1. He wants to waste his vote 2. He actually feels the need to justify his vote on marv | ||
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Sounds like you are scared to get criticized later in the game for not being on certain wagons | ||
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On June 21 2013 13:34 cDgCorazon wrote: Oats you've played with me before. I'm a genuine person and if you want to lynch me for being genuine, go ahead. I explained the term "hipster vote" to DP cause he asked for it. I'm not going to change my playstyle to suit you Oats. If you have a problem with that, vote for me. If not, let it be. ##vote cora My problem, is why you even said that in the first place. also why you wanna policy lynch marv. | ||
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And you really wanna not consolidate and in general vote in a way that doesnt help town. In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. :o | ||
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I guess you dont want to lynch marv now. Although you never ever ever explained why im scum so theres that. [quote] Cora is town because he was active and willing to engage with me when we were the only two people in the thread (townie) [quote] This is null. [quote] He came up with a somewhat silly plan (townie) [/quote] Plan to policy lynch marv or plan to hipster vote? [quote] and then had an explanation consistent with a town mindset (townie) Doing all this brought undue attention on himself (townie) and when questioned no fucks were given (townie) [/quote] dont agree with this. | ||
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Dont hipster vote cora. DP and hapa are scum. | ||
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Why is that a mistake? | ||
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To be quite honest, you're being a complete idiot. All this crap you are saying is just trying to create chaos within the town, which is an environment in which scum thrive. Why don't you agree with DP's last point? Seeing as you are trying to attack me for not explaining shit, it looks really bad when you go on and do the same thing. chaos or discussion? I changed my mind. you are town. Whoop. So DP, why did you defend someone under 0 pressure? | ||
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I only tunnel day 1. And only in selected games. So its not like I do it all the time or the whole game. DP meta please | ||
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Do you do it as town? | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Well eventually I'll get lynched so many times for playing my own style as town so people will stop labelling me as scum for hipster voting. why dont you change your playstyle so you dont get lynched? | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:14 Hapahauli wrote: Every game. Every day. I don't think I've ever advocated a policy lynch on a player. Ever. That's how disruptive and anti-town I find your tunneling antics to be. I don't have a very firm grasp on his meta - he's one of the best scum-players on TL. I have some ways to read him though, but revealing my hand now is incredibly counter-productive to those efforts. I dont care hapa. not 1 bit. because you are wrong. and scum. Mostly wrong though. | ||
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I had a good scum game (( I didnt used to get lynched before that. | ||
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explain why you think they are town | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Cause I can't really change who I am...no matter how much you want me to. Sorry. dick. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:19 cDgCorazon wrote: See this is what I mean: This post does not further discussion, it's just you trying to egg me on. It's pretty scummy bro. You know, ignoring posts is a thing. A very important thing. | ||
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I was asking why you thought DP and Hapa was town. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:22 Coagulation wrote: my playstyles here and at omgus are completely different fyi. I dont know man. You played pretty much the same way in THE GAME afaik. so whos scum? | ||
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There were fools dicking around. | ||
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In other news, yamato is looking awfully scummy for not being able to back up his read | ||
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##Vote: Yamato | ||
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WRONG AGAIN | ||
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Not the other way around. I explained it like that when I was scum too. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:53 Coagulation wrote: oats I think your scum for soft defending marv for no reason. Why stick your neck out like that even if it was just fucking around and shit. what gives? BECAUSE HE HAS NOT MADE 1 POST. 1 FUCKING POST | ||
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I dont get his attitude this game, its like really angry and stuff and not happy hapa. DP currently has no scum reads after unvoting yamato. I dont see why he dropped that push. Nothing makes me think that yamato is bad rather than scum. | ||
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Yamato is scum. DP and Hapa might be scum. | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote: Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you. thinking is useful. Tunneling is not. I dont care what it looks like | ||
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Also yamato is totes scum and why isnt everyone voting for him? | ||
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You dont have games where you see this scumclaim and then push it? And then other games where you dont? | ||
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I dont see anything like that so far. | ||
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But yeah. What do you think of GK and hapa DP? | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Ah I understand now. It still doesn't take away the fact that you've been very wishy-washy in all of your actions so far. You've only been defending yourself in really illogical ways and attacking whoever has been on the chopping block. It doesn't look like you're trying to help town, it looks like you're making weak pokes at people and trying to represent them as being productive when it really isn't./ ???? quotes please | ||
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thats way not close to accurate | ||
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I didnt explain DP and hapa cause i didnt want to. Also cause yamato scumclaimed! | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:48 cDgCorazon wrote: I really don't believe you would've "changed your mind" your reasonings for me being scum were so weak and stupid that you shouldn't have posted them in the first place. "I didn't want to" isn't a good response at all. I just read it as "I don't have a real reason". I dont have a reason I can articulate at this point. Anyway I dont think they are scum anymore. Wait. So I am only allowed to change my mind when I have good reasons and not bad reasons? | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:56 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it. and? | ||
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On June 21 2013 15:54 Ange777 wrote: @Oats: Are you now saying yourself that your reasons for changing your mind are bad??? oh god why people why. To cora they are. Therefore in answering cora, Ill answer based on what he thinks so we can relate. | ||
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Can you link it to the other games ive played. Meh when the push on yamato started both of you hopped on him and then you hopped off him for what I feel are not really awesome reasons. Also you flipflopped around me after you said I was a POLICY lynch and not I was scum. | ||
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And this I'm pretty sure he only called me town to get me to stop attacking him. It didn't work. is not accurate in determining alignment. | ||
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Like games when I play scum. Only you can see it man. | ||
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On June 21 2013 17:04 DarthPunk wrote: LOL. That is kind of true actually. Maybe you are just scummy to ME every game. get your paranoid on man. wheres marv | ||
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anything else stick out? | ||
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And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago. | ||
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He fucked up and is trying not get lynched. | ||
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Thats the only thing I said. | ||
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how do you get the conclusion that yamato is over-confident from him saying he has no clue who is SCUM and only who is town? Also why is shiao pi scum? | ||
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On June 21 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote: Because yamato is handing out townreads like candy, as if he can read that many people that quickly. Shiao is mafia for that horrible, lazy comment on yamato, with no followup. you know, he didnt really say everyone was town, he said that DP and coag didnt look like town. Dont you think his reasons for calling DP scum bullshit? | ||
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On June 21 2013 18:45 marvellosity wrote: No, for reasoning you're not clever enough to understand. I don't expect you to be able to make that distinction though. No its absolutely bullshit and wrong. Yamato calling everyone town is solving the game? No. | ||
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So you say him having 10 townies and 2 null is 'solving the game'? How? I dont see any of the arrogance in this game, just being like all passive and shit. | ||
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Also that was like ~5 into the game maybe? | ||
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why arent you convincing us to vote for shiao pi? | ||
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Marv, that entrance to the thread was really terrible and was only kind of rectified by your posts. In all honesty, you seem a bit hesitant to talk about anything else besides Yamato and that scares me a little. What is terrible, what is good later? | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not. I was just contrasting my experience with a town Yamato (Duel Mafia) and scum Mafia (Red Team's Prize). You are jumping to conclusions way too quickly. You told yamato how to look town in your eyes. That constitutes as telling yamato how to play. Do you think that was a good idea? | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:28 cDgCorazon wrote: I love how you are taking my words literally. Do you really understand what I am saying? If yamato defends himself to the bitter end, you are inclined to think he is town. | ||
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This looks a lot like covering your ass. And scared play. | ||
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slowly moving that way. | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:58 cDgCorazon wrote: Well seeing as you've changed your read on me twice, I really can't take you seriously anymore. Well now you are the one jumping to conclusions. Oh dear. Being hypocritical is bad. | ||
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KILL HIM WITH FIRE. good enough for you GK? | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:21 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah it's clear to me at this point that Oats is only trying to shit up the thread with stupid comments and not actually scumhunting. This guy scum, we need to kill him. Its not surprising that you cant see the exact same thing that you did to me. poo. yamato isnt in the thread, i think GK might be scum, I wanna lynch yamato today. | ||
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Yamato just started posting bullshit when I switched on to him, and the amount of agression and attack hapa and DP showed forced me rethink my reads. | ||
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Why are you voting and unvoting within like a page of posts? hapa is the 2nd guy you have done that to. I would say you have NO READS. My reads are not "pulled out of thin air". As mafia I don't have reads. Reread RTP and find me giving anywhere near this amount of scum reads and I'll be shocked. I think you're obviously confirmation biased if you think my play this game at all resembles the game where most of my filter was arguing that prplhz was town. All the scumreads apparently vanish in this game. You arent pushing shit. I dont even know 1 person you currently think is scum. And its 7 hours to lynch. YAMATO IS SCUM GUYS. hapa might be oo possibly | ||
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Dont dick around OO. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:00 yamato77 wrote: Lolno. I think OO, Shaio, and DP are all possibly scum. You're not reading very hard if you can't tell that. wheres your vote | ||
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OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while. So when someone is on another dude you think is scum. That someone is scummy? Like I completely do not get what logic you are using | ||
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Anyway. Case on DP. Now. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:16 yamato77 wrote: You do the reading. It's part of playing mafia. help me out here. | ||
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Why the fuck are you lynching DP. why. Its so fucking easy to comment on the hapa case. | ||
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Notice OO is gone. | ||
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I dont get how in the world you think yamato is town man. I dont. He has twice now made a case or something on someone and within a page, unvoted them off like 1 post. He stopped talking about DP now that we arent gonna lynch him. He is utterly useless. This guy is SCUM | ||
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Fine he sucks at scumhunting. What about the other stuff. | ||
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Also random vote on DP for no reason. But its marv. I dont know. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:09 marvellosity wrote: Just means I think differently and better to you. There isn't an answer to your question. "if he played like scum". He's playing like a townie. no. | ||
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##vote:oo CONSOLIDATION | ||
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i wanna go to bed. if there are 3 other people on yamato. Ill be a happy man. | ||
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##vote: yamato k fuck it, i really want this guy dead. MAKE IT HAPPEN. | ||
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NOW. | ||
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Man. Marv. If OO flips town can I lynch you? | ||
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Secret vote is not alignment indicative. Dont be bad. gonna sleeeeep | ||
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probably scum. Whoop. Why? 1. Consolidation is a good thing. 2. Meta needs to be compared with my scum games too. 3. Early d1 and late d1 reads change. I did say that I thought DP was town. Also I was asking marv how he thought yamato was town and I pointed out the scummy stuff... CONTEXT BOY. | ||
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Look we are scumbuddies right? So why did I forget that I thought he was suspicious? When Im playing scum, I only forget whether I think town are suspicious. I rarely defend scumbuddy. | ||
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Then again, marv always looks town as scum d1. I hope he gets shot. | ||
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I've never seen you shy about voicing your opinions on someone's alignment ever before. Ok if I were to tell you that unintentionally didnt call DP town, what changes? | ||
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BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM. Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently. | ||
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On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote: If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday. wifom also I thought you said you werent good at scum | ||
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GK was the counter wagon. I made my vote when I went to sleep about 6 hours before lynch. I was never ever ever gonna vote for DP. | ||
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On June 23 2013 12:22 Hapahauli wrote: Are you going to substantiate your reads or not? You didnt vote for scum. You scum. and no im not gonna substantiate my reads at this point of time. | ||
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On June 23 2013 12:29 cDgCorazon wrote: Yes but your attack on Yamato never seemed genuine, and seemed like a response to my pressure. Of course you wouldn't vote for DP if you were scum, you wouldn't have tried to bus DP 6 hours before the lynch. (Of course I voted for the counter wagon as well, but I haven't play really scummy all game so...) ok i dont really care. | ||
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you dont have questions, you are wrong. | ||
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On June 23 2013 12:34 Hapahauli wrote: What's your point? How does that affect GK's alignment? my point is that I rethought the game, read GKs filter when I woke up and realized that HE WASNT SCUM. WOOHOOOOO. | ||
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How. | ||
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did you read the 2nd part? and no im not gonna substantiate my reads at this point of time. yeah. Yeah. Deliberately twisting my words. Also Im town, so I guess your meta read is inaccurate. poo. 1 reason that we can discuss is I feel Yamato wasnt even CLOSE to playing to his town meta day 1. So how in the world do you think that Yamato is town for meta reasons. HOW. | ||
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being right doesnt mean you are town. Also do you not remember going for his throat mid d1? When did this supposed metaread come into play? You don't do that as town. You literallyt ake every opportunity to take a dump on your scurmeads when you're town. :o. nope. No I'm not. Why are you joking about someone you think is scum? Why are you waffling about instead of substantiating your reads? because its night and I cant be arsed to make a case with no one to convince. | ||
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Can we lynch hapa. THERE CASE. HAPPY? | ||
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Coag cause he is NOT USEFUL. IN THE SLIGHTEST. | ||
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But if for some reason you are, I mislynched the hell out of you in RTP when we were both town, and almost shot you in I Swear when we were both town. So why do you think you are right this time? I mean you have a track history of getting my alignment wrong. | ||
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If im not serious, what does it mean for my alignment? If I am, what does it mean? | ||
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On June 23 2013 13:40 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding marv, what about his town-read on Yamato was bad? Regarding Coag, how do you explain the fact that he voted DP, and is literally never useful as town or scum? oh he voted for DP. Coag town. He said he was acting like normal town yamato. When he wasnt. When you said he wasnt. | ||
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Now does this feel like I swear or not. hmmm.. Also when marv flips scum, I CAUGHT HIM. | ||
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On June 23 2013 13:56 Hapahauli wrote: If you're not going to take this seriously, don't blame me when everyone votes you tomorrow. This means? | ||
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this meaning the game? Or this meaning pressure? Or this meaning what? | ||
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I dont get where you are going with this. So far, in the examples you gave, bad people were town. Where do you get the idea that I would flip scum then? | ||
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On June 23 2013 14:05 Adam4167 wrote: I'm well aware what he flipped. He made himself intentionally unreadable, as you are doing now. I'm done with unreadable. If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up. so you are pissed at me cause you are bad and dont know how to read the 6 pages of filter day 1 where everyone thought I was town. Huh. Hapa, im not sure. which is why i didnt POST ANYTHING. | ||
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I am getting the vibe similar to the one in I swear, where he was town. He also started to lead town in the night and again, looks similar to I swear. Hapa is town. Cora's ego is really big. Can everyone explain 2-3 lines why marv is town? | ||
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I think Adam is trying too hard to paint my attitude as scummy when every single person that he saw with this attitude has been town. Therefore Adam is scum. Adam, why is shiao and GK scum? You only summarized shit and didnt say why that makes them scum. | ||
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On June 23 2013 16:47 Adam4167 wrote: I did not say they were scum. I said by process of elimination, I wanted to hear more out of them. Ill let you know when I have a scum read I actually feel confident in. I want you to stop dicking around and make a real case that consists of more than a single line against someone. If thats me, then so be it, but make yourself useful. There are 60 pages. Why do you not have a scumread? | ||
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On June 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote: My reasoning is good, but you are bad. Sorry dude. whos scum? | ||
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What do you think of him trying to lynch me for being bad but having all the people he brought up for being bad flipped town? Actually what do you guys think of the whole part where I was being an asshole and bad? | ||
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I dont wanna lynch hapa as I said earlier. | ||
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too lazy to quote. it was like 1. 2. 3. | ||
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MARV TALK ABOUT ADAM. | ||
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How is marv town because he is 'right' about you? | ||
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On June 23 2013 21:45 marvellosity wrote: Oats, he was asked specifically about them. What the fuck is wrong with so many people this game going "why u talk about x" when every single time it's because the person was asked about x. Christ. I asked for his scumreads too. | ||
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NEVER MIND. | ||
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On June 23 2013 21:47 Adam4167 wrote: Nah, you had your chance to open up a dialogue with me and you blew it. Ill ignore you until you don't make my piss rise to a boil. blood. word is blood. If you are town, and you dont want to talk to me, making me think you are scum, is that good? | ||
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If either Marv or Hapa were scum with DP, they'd have rolled over this town and we'd have lynched OO for sure. Their thread control would have been enormous. No way they'd have let him get lynched if he was their teammate. Lotta wifom. So whos scum? Have you found out yet? | ||
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Especially since he later said he didnt wanna kill DP that day. | ||
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give me something that you arent sure of and I can OPEN YOUR MIND. | ||
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Doesnt really seem to be hapa. | ||
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its n1, many things have happened since you first laid out your suspicions. | ||
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GK saying he is obvtown instead of town is rubbing me the wrong way. Its like obv town is your appearance to the thread, town is your actual alignment. Im only inclined on lynching Adam/GK/Hapa today. I dont know what its about but hapa's play d2 has felt really off, like posts for the sake of it and stuff. | ||
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boo. Ok rayn tried to get you lynched. Hapa = town. Adam has 0 reasons to think im scum, my filter has enough content for him to read me, SO WHY DOES HE WANNA LYNCH ME? Cause hes scum and im lynchbait. Also when d2 arrived. Adam didnt do SHIT to push any lynch. He did this On June 24 2013 08:54 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah hes town. I feel like we resolve this GK/SP situation and the endgame credits roll. and then just randomly posted stuff that had nothing to do with resolving the GK/SP situation. Adam is not interested in figuring out the game, just lynching 'antitown'. Who doesnt have to figure out the game? Scum. Ok final say on GK. I feel that his misguided push on me is townie because I dont think he wouldve done it as scum considering I thought he was scum off 1-2 posts. So drawing my attention? Bad. | ||
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I am yet to comment on GK and SP because SP is yet to return to the thread. I want to hear them both out before I decide which way I want to go. Yeah this is what I said as scum too cause I didnt wanna post suspicious things that thread sentiment was against. This is the last post by rayn about you. On June 24 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Adam is a scumread of mine. I have been trying to read his posts over and over again and i still can't see him having anyone as a suspect. Seems to me more of a distancing thing than a actual push. Not like the Hapa thing. Why are you using this as a reason you are town rather than actual townie things? | ||
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Dont be fucking lazy, and policy lynch me. Or just like continue this thing and claimscum in thread | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:22 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah, he was distancing himself from me because of the vigi shot he didn't know was coming. Use. Your. Brain. So in your world, scum never suspect other scum in thread. I see. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:29 Adam4167 wrote: In this world, scum are in such a bad position they really cant afford to be bussing. I'm town because i'm being exceptionally open with all my thoughts. People think you're town because you're irrational and useless. I know which I prefer. you dont wanna lynch anyone. Thats like the MOST IMPORTANT THING. Was that a bus by Rayn? Not in my opinion. He didnt really post any case at all, just slight suspicions. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:54 cDgCorazon wrote: If Adam is useless what does that make Coag? you see, coag is normally useless. Adam is not. | ||
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So you dont think GK is scum but because of elimination, he is the only dude. Is that right? | ||
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Read on Adam? Does the open thing still apply? | ||
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Also speculation. Which are basically those 2 posts. | ||
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Like that post says people are town, then its left with you and GK. Then since you both cant be scum, someone else in his townreads is scum. BUT THEN HE SAYS THEY ARE ALL TOWN. SO ITS NOT USEFUL. | ||
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I mean rayn seems to have tried his best to get hapa lynched, but as Hapa says, its really hard to lynch him. And although there are certain posts that make me feel bad, in GENERAL, i get the feeling from I swear, but not very much though. What if this is his breakout scumgame? :o | ||
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lol. And what is your current read on adam? considering you asked shiao, i assume you have something new? | ||
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But yeah i agree with the analysis about the GK and Shiao issue. | ||
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Adam isnt really asking questions too, and some of his stuff seems a bit too many words for what he is saying. | ||
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On June 24 2013 18:57 Adam4167 wrote: I replaced into this game with 50+ pages to read in 40 minutes, made what looks like a bad vote and am feeling frigging lost Oats, put yourself in my place for a minute. how long has it been since then? | ||
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On June 24 2013 19:10 Adam4167 wrote: around 36 hours. I do not get the same feel reading a game that I wasn't in than when I do playing in one. It clouds my reads. My obs reads are notoriously shit as a result. Trying to form legitimate scum reads was difficult this game, made especially difficult by the caliber of the players that rolled scum. So I focused on what I could do, find town reads, be as open and clear with my thought process as I could. I have been extremely upfront with the fact that my scum reads were lacking this game. legitimate as opposed to false? Also how do you know the quality of the scumteam? Like sure you thought DP and Rayn was town, but NOW? I dont see you even TRYING to get scumreads. | ||
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On June 24 2013 19:26 Adam4167 wrote: I know the quality of the scum team because two of them have flipped and I had both of them leaning town. If you're going to take everything I say and turn it around from a scummy perspective, then there's really not much else we have to say to each other. scumhunt and you are off my scumlist. | ||
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Can you ACTUALLY look at his filter? | ||
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Why.... . Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness. AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees? | ||
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How in the world can you say he is interested in solving the game when he has no scumreads AND DOESNT FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Just keeps on going, nope, nope, nope. With no obvious effort put in to try and find them. what the fuck OO. | ||
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Thats the only reason he has given me. | ||
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Most of the games, hes not been really active, just posting once in a while and occansional insightful things. But oh man, duel mini. He played super well, found lots of scum, was thread leader. Good stuff. Not seeing any of that here. I dont recall adam as much of a policy lyncher and his lynch is definitely couched as a policy lynch. | ||
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Why do you think as scum, I wont vote for you? The reason im shitting on everyones reasoning is because its either not alignment indicative or its wrong. I dont think gk's post is alignment indicative, hapa immediately unvoting is REALLY FUCKING ODD. Martyring isnt alignment indicative, and if gk stays alive to lylo, is he benefit to town? no because even as town he gave up. SO KILL HIM. town game is all about madly tunneling players. um adam? Like are you not reading? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? Has Adam posted anything meaningful? My push on you isnt a joke, my reasoning is. | ||
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This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him. Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why? | ||
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On June 25 2013 10:49 Hapahauli wrote: Since when are you suspicious of GK anyway? Fuck, have you even read that post of his? Looking through the last few pages of your filter, I see you mention him a couple of times... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont like people martyring and long structured posts feel scummier than townier because so much effort for killing yourself. I feel its a ploy. so why dont you have innate suspicion hapa? | ||
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Because the last time as you have quoted I tunneled people, against many people, they flipped town. Is it like that again? | ||
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Why do you feel its more likely to come from town gk and not scum gk? How sure are you? | ||
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So bad ##Unvote I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched. Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through. | ||
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On June 25 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why? | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:05 Adam4167 wrote: Ok, no seriously, walk me through this Oats. Hapa is ODD for unvoting GK - Possible scum? GK is scum claiming with his final post - So scum? I am scum and you vote me because I called you out for not having done so - Scum. You are floundering under pressure here. All 3 of us cannot be scum. So how does having too many scumreads make me scum? I mean this is really stretching it. Hapa's and sloosh's unvote instantly was weird with no followup questioning i think. You are scum, voting isnt important before deadline. Unless pressure voting and stuff. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:06 Hapahauli wrote: DAFUQ. I call you out for an inconsistency, and then "welp I changed my mind". You said GK scumclaimed 5 minutes ago AFTER you voted Adam. How the jack titties does that make sense? tell me why my vote matters, and tell me why I cant kill gk tmr? | ||
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Gk martyred. I rather kill adam cause I think he has a higher chance of being scum. He scumclaimed MORE. So do you have exact questions? | ||
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VOTE MYSELF. FUCK THIS GAME IM DONE. KILL ME. not a 2-3 paragraph really eloquent post. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:14 Hapahauli wrote: So did GK scumclaim or not? Yes or no? Because first he did, then he didn't and now he somewhat did? Either or both could be scum, Adam is scummier in my mind. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:12 Adam4167 wrote: You are not able to keep a consistent story so you are just calling everyone scum for shit reasoning. Hapa and Sloosh's unvote is not weird in light of that post by GK. If you cannot get how town that post makes him look, which you apparently cannot, since you said its a scum claim, then you are not looking at it properly and trying to figure out his alignment. It has genuine town frustration for yet again being the subject of discussion, despite his best efforts stamped all over it. I dont agree with the genuine town frustration part. I think its a carefully crafted ragequit post. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:19 Hapahauli wrote: The guy said he was quitting mafia for good. Using that argument as scum is a realllll dick move, and something I just don't see scum having the balls/heart to pull off. It works exactly once. | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: OMGUS Adam. Continually redirecting discussion onto you. How does that make me scum? How does me not voting make me scum? So bad ##Unvote I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched. Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through. Again, why does me not voting you make me scum? Or is it cause I voted you when it was pointed out? It cant be both. | ||
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by this i mean not voting and using the same logic. | ||
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Isnt the first move calling you scum? How is voting the first move? | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:45 Adam4167 wrote: Even if you do this in your town games, why did you feel the need to vote me after I called you on it? cause its funny? | ||
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On June 25 2013 12:44 Adam4167 wrote: Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die. i like how you think ill die if you flip town. | ||
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On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote: why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong? This quote stands out for me because it assumes that yamato is town. looking scummy as shit as scum is normal. I dont really know how to explain it but yeah. I feel that shiao pi thinks yamato is town in this statement. Next is his vote on GK. Basically his case on me is trash and it feels a lot like the last game. The thing is, I dont think this is all that similar to GK's play in I SWEAR, so it seems to me that shiao is making up shit to get on a bandwagon. So far not looking fantastic for shiao. He also never says why GK's case is bad other than that Im a spammy inconsistent player and to not make a case on me??. so thats basically day 1. Day 2 however he starts to look a lot better. Even though GK is under a lot of pressure, shiao doesnt go full on scum on GK, he points out certain things that can make him town. For me, I think it shows that he is trying to figure out the game, rather than just pushing the GK lynch that doesnt really make him look suspicious. Also he goes back and looks at sloosh and OO, 2 dudes that are town if GK is town. Which shows that he is still trying to help town after he gets lynched and GK possibly flips town. and then hapa. This either could him trying to get off the GK mislynch, but I dont think so. Its really early in the day and it makes more sense to actually get GK lynched if shiao is scum. then he gets really angry that GK claims JK and fucks off. I Think this is a genuine townie reaction to a scummy post. Like its all in and emotional. | ||
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that means nothing. hapa where did you go? | ||
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Like super interested. | ||
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I GOTTA KNOW. ITS KILLING ME. | ||
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On June 25 2013 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like people martyring and long structured posts feel scummier than townier because so much effort for killing yourself. I feel its a ploy. so why dont you have innate suspicion hapa? Im sure that adam is scum now, trying his very hardest to lynch me. So im scum because, 1. I 180ed my read on GK and provide reasoning that its probably gonna lead to him staying alive. Which is true. And which I then say town wont do that. 2. Adam has never tried to figure out my alignment, no questions no nothing, NO SCUMHUNTING. Just waiting for the time where I do enough scummy stuff for him to be confident in his case and it wont lead to massive backlash. 3. "Last time I tunneled someone to death against what everyone was saying they flipped town. Is that happening again?" Its true. So I dont see how that makes me scum in anyway. 4. Votes dont matter and apparently you guys dont have a sense of humor. Or any brain. Tell me why as scum I would vote for you after you called me out for not voting? It makes no sense to purposely draw attention to yourself. | ||
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It didnt matter though, I wouldnt have voted for shiao pi anyway. So adam is scum man guys. | ||
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On June 26 2013 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: So pushing people to lynch your scum-read before the lynch deadline didn't motivate your sleep schedule at all? no? I rather not sleep doing class than have like a 5% chance of lynching adam. | ||
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Shiao pi wasnt really in danger of getting lynched. WTF DUDE. You didnt push my lynch or defend shiao pi either. | ||
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I mean, why would I arbitrarily wait 10-15 minutes? | ||
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I have class at 8, I wake up an hour earlier. Speculation. Also I would like to believe that people think that Im not that bad as scum | ||
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Like as scum, why the fuck would I post instead of just leaving it for 2-3 hours? Its not suspicious in any way. | ||
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I didnt like that he really didnt much during day 2 compared to n1. His activity for me is basically one of the 2 things that make him town, the other was that rayn was pushing him. | ||
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But his posting just feels off to me this game. Like the fact that he says your suspicions of me are ok for someone playing for the first time with me except this game ISNT the first time Ive played with you. Its at least the 3rd and probably more. | ||
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HOW do you forget. Explain how town didnt roleblock cora please. | ||
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So no unaccounted for kp | ||
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Your mission is to find this man and kill him before he can do the same to you. chrono was my first game and an awesome game it was. | ||
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And the fact that you talked almost exclusively about GK day 2. And did nothing else, not even questioning me or adam about anything other than GK. Even after his martyr post, I felt like you instantly thought he was confirmed town, without even questioning anything. Not doing anything with our conclusions on Shiao and lynching him. | ||
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Also On June 25 2013 14:15 Hapahauli wrote: I'm guessing you're talking about this Coag? I'm thinking 'bout this one too. On June 26 2013 03:52 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway, I've read through Oats' filter several times right now, and I really don't think he's scum. His play is so absurdly attention-whorey and spazzy, which lines up with his town games very well. All his posts reek of paranoia, and him being "unreasonable" is completely par with his town games. @ Coag I don't know what scum-slip you found, but it would have to be really, absurdly compelling to go agains the behavior tells in Oats' filter. so I assume you figured out that that wasnt a scumslip. Why didnt you post anything about it? More than 50% of your filter day 2 is related to GK, and you reacted to GK's martyr post like scum reacts to blue claims. Instantly believing. Why didnt you even take into account ANY THING me and Adam said about Shiao? | ||
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Why not throw shit on him, maybe he gets lynched | ||
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So hapa, why am I scum? | ||
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Can you explain how the RB on Cora is from scum? | ||
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Only VE randomly blueclaims man. | ||
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what scum powerrole launched during daytime? | ||
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man that was a sick shot by coag. So Cora/OO/Sloosh. | ||
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Both who were on the DP lynch. I think both are kinda low impact players this game. Hmm. | ||
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So sloosh. Sloosh wanna play the game? | ||
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OO, I would really like you to post too. | ||
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I dont think hapa is the worst shot in the world. Cora, why am I scum referring to the events of d2 and n2? | ||
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bleh, Im inclined to believe hapa's town read on you for the moment adam. So today its sloosh and OO. The person with the least contribution will get lynched today. | ||
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This is the last part he talks about adam. On June 26 2013 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: It's not even that I think you're scum at this point. It's that I have such a hard time believing that anyone else could be scum. Like on behavior, this conversation gives me town vibes with both you and Adam. If so, then who's scum? Do we spite-lynch GK tomorrow then cross our fingers? And I agree with him. So do i wanna lynch someone who has been posting regularly, and is active, over someone whos only redeeming factor is the hammer on DP. I dont think so at this point. You have been smart enough to figure out my alignment in other games, why are you taking things that arent alignment indicative and saying that they are scummy? | ||
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You havent posted anything of use past n1. Its day 3. | ||
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Its not like you have no content. All you have been doing is "Lynch oats, look at filter for reasons" Also I defended all of those reasons and apparently you dont give a fuck. | ||
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On June 27 2013 13:23 cDgCorazon wrote: You didn't defend not caring about the lynch So I didnt push adam hard enough? Is that what you are saying? and "conveniently" waking up right after the lynch deadline. so fucking bad. right here. so bad. | ||
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On June 27 2013 14:42 cDgCorazon wrote: If you really cared about your Adam push, you would've voted for him. It's as simple as that. youve got a lot to learn. So I didnt vote him, tell me how that pushes an objective that benefits scum as opposed to voting for him. | ||
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On June 27 2013 14:58 cDgCorazon wrote: Continuing to question them...voting them...not 180-ing your view on them after 5 minutes...all things you haven't done this game... I continued to question adam, I 180ed my read after tunneling him for like 5 days. Voting isnt a scumtell, if anything, its a towntell. Need me to explain why? | ||
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On June 27 2013 15:08 cDgCorazon wrote: I meant your play over the game, not just your Adam read. yeah cause all the people in the game cant be scum. I mean I pretty much called everyone in the game scum at 1 point. Some of them gotta be town. | ||
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On June 27 2013 15:09 Adam4167 wrote: Gah. Nevermind. I have discovered a flaw in my logic. Continue going about your business. post it so we laugh at you please School is boring, i need some interesting stuff. | ||
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So cora, on a scale of 1-10, how bad is your tunnel on me? | ||
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1 means its a good tunnel 10 means its a bad tunnel. | ||
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But yeah I would not like him around at lylo, and it kinda looks like the game is going that way. | ||
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Or GK. If GK doesnt show before I wake up tmr, hes dead. | ||
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On June 28 2013 02:31 goodkarma wrote: Before you go "I don't want this guy at LYLO," maybe you should visualize how the rest of the game might transpire first? Like who are you going to lynch and when? Hapa was discussing coming up with a plan (if I recall correctly anyway... filter-diving too much effort.). Maybe that's what scum feared most? In any case it makes the game much easier if truly scumteam didn't bus day one. That means you lynch Adam, Oats, and me in whatever order you want and you win. I'm still inclined to run with this scenario for the time being though idk maybe it's wrong. Of those the guy who probably would be most likely to not concede in a lost scumgame would be Oats. ##Vote: Oats Yeah we lynch you because your only reason for lynching me is because you think I wont concede. COME ON. ##vote: GK All the people voting for me, give reasons. This is because when I flip, town has something to go on. Telling people to look at my filter and pg X-XX is not helpful either for me to defend, or to show whether you think im scum or you are scum bandwagoning me. | ||
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On June 28 2013 08:19 slOosh wrote: Reread the whole game. + pg 55 ~ 63 Only thing going for Oats is his ability to post "naturally". ##Unvote: goodkarma ##Vote: Oatsmaster fucking lazy vote. Sloosh dont be this bad. Explain. On June 28 2013 02:31 goodkarma wrote: Again, you are voting me because out of Adam or me, you think adam will concede. Thats the weakest reason ever. Ever. Give better ones.Before you go "I don't want this guy at LYLO," maybe you should visualize how the rest of the game might transpire first? Like who are you going to lynch and when? Hapa was discussing coming up with a plan (if I recall correctly anyway... filter-diving too much effort.). Maybe that's what scum feared most? In any case it makes the game much easier if truly scumteam didn't bus day one. That means you lynch Adam, Oats, and me in whatever order you want and you win. I'm still inclined to run with this scenario for the time being though idk maybe it's wrong. Of those the guy who probably would be most likely to not concede in a lost scumgame would be Oats. ##Vote: Oats On June 28 2013 03:07 Coagulation wrote: ##vote oats and coag. If you guys dont put any effort into playing the game, guess what happens tmr? You flipped me and now you are still confused as fuck. Come on. | ||
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Me Adam Coag Then I lynch adam for the win. You see, this is kinda useless. | ||
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Why arent you voting for OO? | ||
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I dont know whats with you. I assume you are either gonna vote me or Adam, so why do you have reasons? Can you elaborate on those reasons? | ||
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On June 28 2013 11:53 slOosh wrote: Sure. Out of the three, you make the least sense. least sense = scum? What? | ||
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On June 28 2013 12:23 slOosh wrote: Sure. Scum have to twist reality to get town killed. You can't twist without relaxing logic, and so you will make less sense. You were advocating to lynch between OO and me. Two critical components of the highly contested DP wagon. How does this make sense? Why can't a townie do the basic math? Oh my. Apparently you didnt read the part where GK is basically a policy lynch, and i think adam is town. THERE IS NO ONE LEFT. COME ON DUDE. Can you say seriously that You are more townie than adam disregarding the DP lynch? | ||
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Adam: sheep hapa+interactions with him feel natural Cora: day 1+RB + meta OO: dont know really, null, he needs to fucking post. Sloosh: for wanting to kill me this game even though he knows how I play as town. Tsk. GK: Not playing the game, also wanting to kill me because im least likely to concede. What. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't ask this again. Get off of your lazy ass and read my filter. Why am I scum? get off your lazy ass and quote your filter, including posts after the 25th of June. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Yes, you would just love me to ignore your scummy play in D1 and D2, wouldn't you? I'm not going to repeat myself, and the 2 other people voting for you obviously don't need me to repeat myself. I would love it if you put in any effort into this game at this point of time. sloosh isnt gonna lynch me today. Coag is a qtpie who is slightly off the rockers. | ||
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"oats scum, look in filter" Thats absolutely IT, and its not good. Not at all. | ||
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because you are tunneling. You know, everything someone says can be from a scum perspective. Its your job, to find things that make you think this person is a different alignment from you. I dont see you doing any of that. Cora you wanna be a better player? | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:14 slOosh wrote: Am I not open to discussion? Am I not still putting in effort? Am I not here still willing to read and post? Do you really think I'm so lazy, so apathetic that I'm on autopilot? That these voteshifts of mine are just jokes to give whomever false hope? Engage me. Give me something to work with. I know it exists because I've played with it myself in my head, I just haven't heard it from anyone else here (or I missed it, or it's from Oats whom I have natural distrust with). Can you expand your OO read? I dont like setup speculating about a closed setup. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I have not been tunneling you, I've voted for 3 other players besides you. You continue to play the same scummy way that you've played all game. It's your job to look town to make things easier for others. I dont see you doing any of that. Oats you wanna be a better player? Ive been looking town. First reason is that I am 6-7 pages more than my normal scum game. Second reason is that Im not retarded as scum. Need more reasons for me to be looking town? You have been tunneling me, you even take the fact that I posted once, 19 minutes after the flip, to assume that I couldve changed the lynch. Thats tunneling. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Oh hey look, it's 5-1. The problem is, Oats, that you've been way too much of a wildcard, and you've been alive for way too long. Your play has shifted between town and scummy, and meta can only keep you alive for so long. This is a lynch we should've made D1, but it's better late than never. "Meta can only keep you alive for so long". What? What? What? So assuming I am COMPLETELY consistent with my town meta, lynch me anyway cause you dont like the way I play. Seriously thats what Im getting. You dont think Im scum, you just dont like the way Im playing. Dont do that. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:29 cDgCorazon wrote: Your only defense is meta? You realize that a good scum player can change his meta to look town? You realize that if you read my games, which you are too lazy to do, its different? | ||
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Wanna lynch GK today? | ||
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Dr Who http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704 Ego Mini http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168. Cora, its hard to defend myself from non specific allegations like, you played scummy all game long without using meta. | ||
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What would make you lynch GK first? | ||
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LOTTA THINGS. so if GK doesnt post from now till the end of the day, you wont lynch him. Wow. | ||
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Are you reading the games I linked? | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:38 cDgCorazon wrote: What have you done to assert your towniness? I dont assert my townieness. No one does, except maybe scum. Its just the way I play based on what role pm I see. | ||
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WHY THE FUCK. | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:55 cDgCorazon wrote: If I were you, I would spend less time yelling at me and more time convincing Coag to vote for GK. See you guys after the flip. If I were you, I would comment on the things that are said about the top scumread. | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I assume this is the part where you disappear and only start posting after the night post. 2 hours later, this happens. I CAN READ CORA'S MIND. | ||
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On June 29 2013 00:43 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps because listening to you guys is the reason ShiaoPi is not here. If I flip town, what would you think? | ||
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Have you read my scum games yet? | ||
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You want to win right? Why doesnt it seem that way? If I flip town, would you want people to listen to you for the following lynch? | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:20 cDgCorazon wrote: No because I will most likely get nightkilled and anyone not wanting to lynch GK is silly. Lynch GK today and me tommor man. Why do you refuse to do something that doesnt take a lot of time, but can either solidify or change your read? | ||
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Coag or Cora, leave me for tmr. I am way more active than GK and the less people you get to, the better it is to have active people and not people who post once a day. | ||
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I was thinking about OO cause I dont think scum would hammer scum, but what if he couldnt switch his read to GK without looking extremely suspicious. But never mind. So onto Adam. His reaction to OO's suspicions is really offensive. He seems really mad at a bad case. why? I have no clue. He also doesnt have a reaction like OO is scum or town. This is Adam's reaction. That's about the most bias analysis I've ever seen. Its filled with complete conjecture and speculation. The only concrete thing you have in there is that I had no confidence in my reads, which is something I freely admitted. That does not make me scum in any way, shape or form. It reads to me that he thinks OO is town at this point. Biased means its not intentionally bad, but due to certain things, its not a fair judgement. So why doesnt he think OO is scum and trying his best to lynch adam? Cause he is scum and knows that OO is town. I think today we lynch Adam. ##vote Adam He will definitely try and lynch me though. Fun day cycle man... | ||
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i guess we wait for adam. So coag/oats/adam/oo/sloosh Still alive. | ||
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weeehee | ||
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Maybe coag is scum traitor with a kp | ||
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coag is playing not objectively townie. So yeah I don't see how you don't see this | ||
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On July 02 2013 14:06 ObviousOne wrote: So would I be interpreting your theory correctly that you think he's (now-mafia) traitor because he shot a mafia and then largely stopped playing the game? You realize we're talking about Coag, right? You believe he was playing for town until he was recruited in your scenario and that his play has drastically 180'd away from (IMO) not looking particularly townie to (objectively) not looking particularly townie... wait what? I agree he's likely literally phoning it in (posting on his phone pun, ha) but probably the largest dichotomy in the game right now is that he wants you dead and you want him dead and it's been that way for a few game days. Which day or night or whatever do you believe he was recruited? What gives you that impression? Is it just his activity? Was there something specific that he did say or possibly ignored that led you to this idea? I mean all this is really overkill to a simple thing. | ||
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Who has not played the game since GK got lynched. And who looks town cause of day 1 and RB claim thing. | ||
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The Fake CID is flavor btw. Each CID wouldve been fake to the other. But maybe you have to actually kill the CID or you lose but you dont die. Like with Yamato JKed, Marv is the only person who couldve killed Yamato. And marv was CID. | ||
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CID is the only viable reason that Coag could not be town. Ok so why is sloosh town? His vote on DP. I read his filter surrounding that. Its a bit odd. He doesnt really give reasons in his voting post. He never gives reasons for voting for DP, only what makes him vote DP and not GK. Also his post after the lynch. Obviously the pool of players we should look into tomorrow is the non DarthPunk voters, since it was an extremely close lynch (which includes goodkarma). I dont like this post. There isnt also a follow up to this, he doesnt start pushing anyone, he just has vague bad feelings about Hapa. His reaction to the flip, Everyone take a chill pill. We just lynched scum. rubs me the wrong way. Its way too cool for such a close lynch I feel. | ||
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come on OO, lynch Sloosh | ||
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Its lylo tomorrow right? | ||
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And now its gonna be lylo | ||
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Kill the confirmed townies next time eh? | ||
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Im town when I look scummy ^^ | ||
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On July 05 2013 12:50 Adam4167 wrote: I could have easily let you die the day we lynched GK. Fortunately for you, I actually wanted to win. I was killed for having an unpopular opinion. That's what 'got me killed'. I dont think you couldve prevented your death unless you convinced either me or sloosh. Nah I dont think it wouldve gone through, Hapa was still alive. | ||
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You shouldve said something about, WHEN I FLIP, KILL OO. yeah, hammer it into my thick skull. Anyway, I didnt play very well. | ||
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lucky marv. | ||
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