Catch 22 Mafia

On June 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL you guys are so silly. Only person I would want to lynch is oats for wanting to lynch cora.

On June 21 2013 13:00 cDgCorazon wrote:


Let's lynch Oats for not having a sense of humor.

On June 21 2013 13:04 yamato77 wrote:
Why is everything a joke to you, Oats?

On June 21 2013 13:34 cDgCorazon wrote:


Oats you've played with me before. I'm a genuine person and if you want to lynch me for being genuine, go ahead.
I explained the term "hipster vote" to DP cause he asked for it.

I'm not going to change my playstyle to suit you Oats. If you have a problem with that, vote for me. If not, let it be.

In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read.

To be quite honest, you're being a complete idiot. All this crap you are saying is just trying to create chaos within the town, which is an environment in which scum thrive.

Why don't you agree with DP's last point? Seeing as you are trying to attack me for not explaining shit, it looks really bad when you go on and do the same thing.

On June 21 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote:


Well eventually I'll get lynched so many times for playing my own style as town so people will stop labelling me as scum for hipster voting.

On June 21 2013 14:14 Hapahauli wrote:


Every game. Every day.

I don't think I've ever advocated a policy lynch on a player. Ever. That's how disruptive and anti-town I find your tunneling antics to be.



I don't have a very firm grasp on his meta - he's one of the best scum-players on TL. I have some ways to read him though, but revealing my hand now is incredibly counter-productive to those efforts.

On June 21 2013 14:15 yamato77 wrote:

like you did?

owait

On June 21 2013 14:16 ObviousOne wrote:

Please don't be a kushmasta

On June 21 2013 14:16 cDgCorazon wrote:


Cause I can't really change who I am...no matter how much you want me to. Sorry.

On June 21 2013 14:19 cDgCorazon wrote:

See this is what I mean:

This post does not further discussion, it's just you trying to egg me on. It's pretty scummy bro.

On June 21 2013 14:22 Coagulation wrote:
my playstyles here and at omgus are completely different fyi.

On June 21 2013 14:53 Coagulation wrote:
oats I think your scum for soft defending marv for no reason. Why stick your neck out like that even if it was just fucking around and shit. what gives?

On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you.

On June 21 2013 15:33 cDgCorazon wrote:

Ah I understand now.

It still doesn't take away the fact that you've been very wishy-washy in all of your actions so far. You've only been defending yourself in really illogical ways and attacking whoever has been on the chopping block. It doesn't look like you're trying to help town, it looks like you're making weak pokes at people and trying to represent them as being productive when it really isn't./

On June 21 2013 15:48 cDgCorazon wrote:


I really don't believe you would've "changed your mind" your reasonings for me being scum were so weak and stupid that you shouldn't have posted them in the first place.

"I didn't want to" isn't a good response at all. I just read it as "I don't have a real reason".

On June 21 2013 15:56 cDgCorazon wrote:


I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it.

On June 21 2013 15:54 Ange777 wrote:
@Oats:

Are you now saying yourself that your reasons for changing your mind are bad???

I'm pretty sure he only called me town to get me to stop attacking him. It didn't work.

On June 21 2013 17:04 DarthPunk wrote:

LOL. That is kind of true actually. Maybe you are just scummy to ME every game.

On June 21 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote:


Because yamato is handing out townreads like candy, as if he can read that many people that quickly.

Shiao is mafia for that horrible, lazy comment on yamato, with no followup.

On June 21 2013 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
No, for reasoning you're not clever enough to understand. I don't expect you to be able to make that distinction though.

Marv, that entrance to the thread was really terrible and was only kind of rectified by your posts. In all honesty, you seem a bit hesitant to talk about anything else besides Yamato and that scares me a little.

On June 22 2013 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote:


I'm not.

I was just contrasting my experience with a town Yamato (Duel Mafia) and scum Mafia (Red Team's Prize).
You are jumping to conclusions way too quickly.

On June 22 2013 00:28 cDgCorazon wrote:


I love how you are taking my words literally. Do you really understand what I am saying?

On June 22 2013 00:50 cDgCorazon wrote:


Am I scum again?

On June 22 2013 00:58 cDgCorazon wrote:


Well seeing as you've changed your read on me twice, I really can't take you seriously anymore.

On June 22 2013 01:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah it's clear to me at this point that Oats is only trying to shit up the thread with stupid comments and not actually scumhunting.

This guy scum, we need to kill him.

My reads are not "pulled out of thin air". As mafia I don't have reads. Reread RTP and find me giving anywhere near this amount of scum reads and I'll be shocked. I think you're obviously confirmation biased if you think my play this game at all resembles the game where most of my filter was arguing that prplhz was town.

On June 23 2013 01:00 yamato77 wrote:

Lolno.

I think OO, Shaio, and DP are all possibly scum. You're not reading very hard if you can't tell that.

OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while.

On June 23 2013 01:16 yamato77 wrote:

You do the reading. It's part of playing mafia.

On June 23 2013 02:09 marvellosity wrote:


Just means I think differently and better to you.

There isn't an answer to your question. "if he played like scum". He's playing like a townie.

I've never seen you shy about voicing your opinions on someone's alignment ever before.

On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.

On June 23 2013 12:22 Hapahauli wrote:


Are you going to substantiate your reads or not?

On June 23 2013 12:29 cDgCorazon wrote:


Yes but your attack on Yamato never seemed genuine, and seemed like a response to my pressure.
Of course you wouldn't vote for DP if you were scum, you wouldn't have tried to bus DP 6 hours before the lynch.

(Of course I voted for the counter wagon as well, but I haven't play really scummy all game so...)

On June 23 2013 12:30 cDgCorazon wrote:

Don't try to brush me off. You scum bro.

On June 23 2013 12:34 Hapahauli wrote:


What's your point?

How does that affect GK's alignment?

and no im not gonna substantiate my reads at this point of time.

You don't do that as town. You literallyt ake every opportunity to take a dump on your scurmeads when you're town.

No I'm not. Why are you joking about someone you think is scum? Why are you waffling about instead of substantiating your reads?

But if for some reason you are, I mislynched the hell out of you in RTP when we were both town, and almost shot you in I Swear when we were both town.

On June 23 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:

I cant tell if serious or...?

On June 23 2013 13:40 Hapahauli wrote:


Regarding marv, what about his town-read on Yamato was bad?

Regarding Coag, how do you explain the fact that he voted DP, and is literally never useful as town or scum?

On June 23 2013 13:56 Hapahauli wrote:


If you're not going to take this seriously, don't blame me when everyone votes you tomorrow.

On June 23 2013 14:05 Adam4167 wrote:


I'm well aware what he flipped. He made himself intentionally unreadable, as you are doing now. I'm done with unreadable. If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up.

On June 23 2013 16:47 Adam4167 wrote:
I did not say they were scum. I said by process of elimination, I wanted to hear more out of them.

Ill let you know when I have a scum read I actually feel confident in.

I want you to stop dicking around and make a real case that consists of more than a single line against someone. If thats me, then so be it, but make yourself useful.

On June 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:


My reasoning is good, but you are bad. Sorry dude.

On June 23 2013 21:45 marvellosity wrote:
Oats, he was asked specifically about them.

What the fuck is wrong with so many people this game going "why u talk about x" when every single time it's because the person was asked about x. Christ.

On June 23 2013 21:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Nah, you had your chance to open up a dialogue with me and you blew it.

Ill ignore you until you don't make my piss rise to a boil.

If either Marv or Hapa were scum with DP, they'd have rolled over this town and we'd have lynched OO for sure. Their thread control would have been enormous. No way they'd have let him get lynched if he was their teammate.

On June 24 2013 08:54 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah hes town.

I feel like we resolve this GK/SP situation and the endgame credits roll.

I am yet to comment on GK and SP because SP is yet to return to the thread. I want to hear them both out before I decide which way I want to go.

On June 24 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Adam is a scumread of mine. I have been trying to read his posts over and over again and i still can't see him having anyone as a suspect.

On June 24 2013 13:22 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, he was distancing himself from me because of the vigi shot he didn't know was coming.

Use. Your. Brain.

On June 24 2013 13:29 Adam4167 wrote:
In this world, scum are in such a bad position they really cant afford to be bussing.

I'm town because i'm being exceptionally open with all my thoughts. People think you're town because you're irrational and useless. I know which I prefer.

On June 24 2013 13:54 cDgCorazon wrote:


If Adam is useless what does that make Coag?

On June 24 2013 18:57 Adam4167 wrote:


I replaced into this game with 50+ pages to read in 40 minutes, made what looks like a bad vote and am feeling frigging lost Oats, put yourself in my place for a minute.

On June 24 2013 19:10 Adam4167 wrote:
around 36 hours.

I do not get the same feel reading a game that I wasn't in than when I do playing in one. It clouds my reads. My obs reads are notoriously shit as a result. Trying to form legitimate scum reads was difficult this game, made especially difficult by the caliber of the players that rolled scum. So I focused on what I could do, find town reads, be as open and clear with my thought process as I could. I have been extremely upfront with the fact that my scum reads were lacking this game.

On June 24 2013 19:26 Adam4167 wrote:
I know the quality of the scum team because two of them have flipped and I had both of them leaning town.

If you're going to take everything I say and turn it around from a scummy perspective, then there's really not much else we have to say to each other.

town game is all about madly tunneling players.

This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.

On June 25 2013 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Since when are you suspicious of GK anyway?

Fuck, have you even read that post of his?

Looking through the last few pages of your filter, I see you mention him a couple of times...


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On June 25 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:

Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why?

On June 25 2013 11:05 Adam4167 wrote:
Ok, no seriously, walk me through this Oats.

Hapa is ODD for unvoting GK - Possible scum?
GK is scum claiming with his final post - So scum?
I am scum and you vote me because I called you out for not having done so - Scum.

You are floundering under pressure here. All 3 of us cannot be scum.

On June 25 2013 11:06 Hapahauli wrote:


DAFUQ.

I call you out for an inconsistency, and then "welp I changed my mind". You said GK scumclaimed 5 minutes ago AFTER you voted Adam.

How the jack titties does that make sense?

On June 25 2013 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:


So did GK scumclaim or not? Yes or no?

Because first he did, then he didn't and now he somewhat did?

On June 25 2013 11:12 Adam4167 wrote:
You are not able to keep a consistent story so you are just calling everyone scum for shit reasoning.

Hapa and Sloosh's unvote is not weird in light of that post by GK. If you cannot get how town that post makes him look, which you apparently cannot, since you said its a scum claim, then you are not looking at it properly and trying to figure out his alignment. It has genuine town frustration for yet again being the subject of discussion, despite his best efforts stamped all over it.

On June 25 2013 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:


The guy said he was quitting mafia for good. Using that argument as scum is a realllll dick move, and something I just don't see scum having the balls/heart to pull off.

On June 25 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
OMGUS Adam. Continually redirecting discussion onto you. How does that make me scum? How does me not voting make me scum?

So bad
##Unvote

I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched.
Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through.

On June 25 2013 11:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Even if you do this in your town games, why did you feel the need to vote me after I called you on it?

On June 25 2013 12:44 Adam4167 wrote:


Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die.

On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong?

On June 25 2013 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont like people martyring and long structured posts feel scummier than townier because so much effort for killing yourself. I feel its a ploy.

so why dont you have innate suspicion hapa?

"Last time I tunneled someone to death against what everyone was saying they flipped town. Is that happening again?"

On June 26 2013 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:
So pushing people to lynch your scum-read before the lynch deadline didn't motivate your sleep schedule at all?