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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 21 2013 19:28 GMT
#502
When you look at the post as a whole, it makes much more sense than when you cherrypick it like you are now, Hapa.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 21 2013 19:39 GMT
#504
GK's other point about Shiao's other reads being nonexistent rings fairly true. His list post with a bunch of null reads and suspicion on Sloosh/Sylencia as about all we have to go off of, and it's not impressive.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 21 2013 19:52 GMT
#506
At least we're in the same boat.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 21 2013 20:10 GMT
#508
If Sloosh, Sylencia, and Ange are scum, I'm going to be disappointed.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 07:14 GMT
#562
I have little no interest in further explaining the posts that I have already made. Read them yourselves if you fail to understand what I've said.

That being the case, it's ridiculously disturbing that Hapa comes in with a pseudo-case on me after Oats and DP both agree that I'm somehow still scummy. None of this was said while I was talking to Hapa earlier, nor has he seemed particularly enthusiastic about lynching me in the first place. Hapa as scum would be afraid to attack me openly and directly, especially without support, but Hapa as town would be fearless and bullheaded in his suspicion of me, if it actually existed.

The way Hapa has played this so far, I'm reasonably convinced that he is mafia. His noncommittal stance on me and his weak reads elsewhere are not what I would expect from town Hapa. This Hapa seems much more content with blending in than actually leading discussion, a trait that I associate directly with scum Hapa.

Looks like I should have gone with my gut from his first post.

##Vote Hapahauli
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:10 GMT
#564
My opinion of OO has changed. Upon re-examination, and due to his lack of contribution in over 24 hours, I now consider him a decent candidate for lynch.

Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by. Sylencia is apparently replacing out, which is a scum tell lately. Everyone else besides yourself, DP, Ange, and Shaio seem relatively town enough for me to write them off FOR TODAY.

There are, indeed, other parts of Shaio's play I don't like, but they aren't convincing enough to make me want to lynch him. He was lynchbait in my first scumgame while he was alive, and you guys did end up lynching his replacement largely as a result of this.

Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:13 GMT
#565
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:31 GMT
#567
On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote:
What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him.

Also,
Show nested quote +
Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.


So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia?

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.


Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >>

Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't.

You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 09:17 GMT
#569
##Unvote

I'll look at Rayn. OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#572
Deadline is in, what, 11 hours?

fuuuuuuuuu this town so lurky.

I go to bed hoping to see OO/Shiao posts when I wake up. I'm getting the itch to lynch into useless people.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 15:42 GMT
#621
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.

DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.

Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 15:50 GMT
#628
On June 23 2013 00:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.

DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.

Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk?


I've played 3 (were you in personality 2?) games with you when I was town. The first game (Duel Mafia), I attacked you for a bit and then realized you were town. The second I attacked you and you were scum (Personality), and the third game you tried to OMGUS me and gave up once no one believed you were town (Red Team).

You're pulling out of your reads way too easily, just like in Red Team's Prize. You're not helping out town and you're not acting like town Yamato.

I wasn't scum in Personality...

But anyway, there's obviously a change in my behavior, and it's because I've gotten better at the game since Duel Mini. I de-tunnel so much better than I used to, and it's obvious with how I've played this game.

My reads are not "pulled out of thin air". As mafia I don't have reads. Reread RTP and find me giving anywhere near this amount of scum reads and I'll be shocked. I think you're obviously confirmation biased if you think my play this game at all resembles the game where most of my filter was arguing that prplhz was town.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 15:52 GMT
#630
On June 23 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye?


You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one.

That is fucking bad.

yamato, did you do the re-read on me as you promised to Hapa?

Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me that you aren't mafia.

I still don't think Hapa is mafia though. Or if he is, he's gotten better at acting like his town self than normal. His last post where he talked about not wanting to spam a lot and stuff seemed genuine. I know Hapa has wanted to change how he played for a while.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 15:55 GMT
#633
On June 23 2013 00:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.

DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.

Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk?


What the fuck. If you don't think I have been trying to figure the game out you are either scum or retarded or both.As to my drop off inn activity. It's saturday. I was being social.


Your reads are essentially the same as they were over 24 hours ago and you basically refuse to talk about anything else. No, you aren't involved in figuring out the game.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:00 GMT
#642
On June 23 2013 00:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
By "pulling out of your reads", I meant backing down on them way too easily. It's ok to de-tunnel, but not only after one person decides that they don't agree with you.

Fine, I will go take a look at them. I will be gone for three hours so I will get back to you guys after that.

I back down when I feel like my reasons for voting are no longer meaningful.

With Shiao, the similarity in post structure was striking to me, but Marv was right to say that it's not a very good tell to rely on that. Aside from that, Shiao is still somewhat suspicious to me because of his entrance to the game, and his overall lack of meaningful reads aside from apparently thinking that GK is scum. It's obvious that I have felt this way about him throughout the game.

With Hapa, I think I've explained it well. In my last exchange with him, he came across as genuine. He could be wily scum faking it, but I doubt it. The way to read Hapa is entirely through his involvement with the game, which is obviously lower than normal, but it's explainable by him wanting to change his style of play.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:00 GMT
#645
On June 23 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato.

Why are you voting and unvoting within like a page of posts? hapa is the 2nd guy you have done that to.
I would say you have NO READS.
Show nested quote +
My reads are not "pulled out of thin air". As mafia I don't have reads. Reread RTP and find me giving anywhere near this amount of scum reads and I'll be shocked. I think you're obviously confirmation biased if you think my play this game at all resembles the game where most of my filter was arguing that prplhz was town.

All the scumreads apparently vanish in this game. You arent pushing shit. I dont even know 1 person you currently think is scum.
And its 7 hours to lynch.

YAMATO IS SCUM GUYS.
hapa might be
oo possibly

Lolno.

I think OO, Shaio, and DP are all possibly scum. You're not reading very hard if you can't tell that.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:05 GMT
#652
On June 23 2013 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 00:52 yamato77 wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye?


You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one.

That is fucking bad.

yamato, did you do the re-read on me as you promised to Hapa?

Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me that you aren't mafia.

I still don't think Hapa is mafia though. Or if he is, he's gotten better at acting like his town self than normal. His last post where he talked about not wanting to spam a lot and stuff seemed genuine. I know Hapa has wanted to change how he played for a while.

What do you think of him buying your explanations so quicky? Also why did you not want to re-read DP but me (as DP was a "worrysome" read of yours) when Hapa laid out his reads?

I've paid close attention to DP this game, and he obviously feels the same as me regarding him, so there's no reason to reread him. You, on the other hand, I have thought were town the since you started posting, so when Hapa says he thinks you might be scum, I have to look at you again, because I'm not paying close attention to you because I think you're town.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:06 GMT
#658
On June 23 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
also yamato
Show nested quote +
OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while.

So when someone is on another dude you think is scum. That someone is scummy?
Like I completely do not get what logic you are using

Scum never bus in your world?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:08 GMT
#660
On June 23 2013 01:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 00:55 yamato77 wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.

DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.

Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk?


What the fuck. If you don't think I have been trying to figure the game out you are either scum or retarded or both.As to my drop off inn activity. It's saturday. I was being social.


Your reads are essentially the same as they were over 24 hours ago and you basically refuse to talk about anything else. No, you aren't involved in figuring out the game.


Yeah. Obvious hasn;t been around for 24 hours. some times it just simple. This is one of those times. I like to focus on one thing at a time. Ask marv.

Lazy DP is scum DP.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 16:08 GMT
#662
On June 23 2013 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok misread that. whoops.
Anyway. Case on DP. Now.

Read the thread.
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