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Adam4167
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On June 24 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: You played in Duel mini mafia, I am getting TOTALLY different vibes from that game. I replaced into this game with 50+ pages to read in 40 minutes, made what looks like a bad vote and am feeling frigging lost Oats, put yourself in my place for a minute. | ||
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Adam4167
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I do not get the same feel reading a game that I wasn't in than when I do playing in one. It clouds my reads. My obs reads are notoriously shit as a result. Trying to form legitimate scum reads was difficult this game, made especially difficult by the caliber of the players that rolled scum. So I focused on what I could do, find town reads, be as open and clear with my thought process as I could. I have been extremely upfront with the fact that my scum reads were lacking this game. | ||
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Adam4167
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The second Dieno stepped into the thread in Duel, I had him bagged, Kierathi soon after. I was confident almost to a fault, I led a crusade against two reasonably townie looking players because I was running on such a high from dragging down two scum. No one was anywhere near that obvious this game, at least not to me. | ||
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Adam4167
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If you're going to take everything I say and turn it around from a scummy perspective, then there's really not much else we have to say to each other. | ||
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Adam4167
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It was a hypothetical look at how the end of day 1 played out. If GK were town, wouldn't Rayn have tried to save his scum teammate by voting GK off? Now if two scum were being pushed, Rayn would be better off saying nothing and just letting the lynch play out. The caveat is that the lynch seems to be in the middle of the night for him, so its entirely possible that he was asleep when this all played out and that is the reason he never moved his vote. Going by GK's current posting, hes looking town, so this is all moot. Oats, you've called me scum to the point of harassing me every time I step into the thread. You ask for everyones read on me, when they give it, you disagree and try to talk them out of it. You've clearly already decided that I am scum, so I want you to tell me why you are yet to vote me this entire cycle. Explain. | ||
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Adam4167
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On June 25 2013 10:39 slOosh wrote: It would also be pretty nice if the people we are discussing would give (updating) reads on each other. That way, even if we mislynch it makes it invariably more difficult for scum to secure future mislynch targets. In case it wasn't clear: ShioPi is town. Goodkarma is town. I had the sneaking suspicion in the back my head that this was the case. I could not form a decent scum read on either of them, yet seemingly by process of elimination they were all I had to work with. Their posting today has confirmed that to me, that I was right to not just launch into lampooning either of them. Oats on the other hand has been badgering me since I got here, continually redirects discussion onto me and yet now only votes me after I call him out for not having done so already. Nah, hes our last scum. Now i'm confident. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Adam4167
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Hapa is ODD for unvoting GK - Possible scum? GK is scum claiming with his final post - So scum? I am scum and you vote me because I called you out for not having done so - Scum. You are floundering under pressure here. All 3 of us cannot be scum. | ||
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Adam4167
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Hapa and Sloosh's unvote is not weird in light of that post by GK. If you cannot get how town that post makes him look, which you apparently cannot, since you said its a scum claim, then you are not looking at it properly and trying to figure out his alignment. It has genuine town frustration for yet again being the subject of discussion, despite his best efforts stamped all over it. | ||
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Adam4167
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Why did he feel the need to instantly vote me when I called him out for not doing so? because he knows he should have had his vote in there a long time ago. I called him out for an inconsistency, and he quickly tried to correct that, while saying that 'votes don't matter man'. If he truly believed they didn't matter, why did he vote me? | ||
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Adam4167
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It is both. I called you out for an inconsistency and you tried to cover it up, brushing it away with the logic "votes don't matter". | ||
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God you make no damn sense. | ||
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Adam4167
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On June 25 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch Adam hapa. Lynnnch. Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die. | ||
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Adam4167
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His interactions with Rayn and his posting on D2. Rayn shoots down ShiaoPi's case against GK, pretty handily dismisses it because it is poorly applied meta: On June 22 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: . My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now. If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK. I don't think this is scum v scum talk. If it were, shutting down his case effectively forces him to go and jump on another bandwagon, increasing the chances he's going to draw attention to himself. Why would you bother? this case may have taken off, it almost did. GK almost died D1. On D2, ShiaoPi comes in less confident in his read on GK: On June 24 2013 14:31 ShiaoPi wrote: Ok I am caught up now. But mostly just skimmed the thread.Will be doing some rereading/filterdiving next. let me just post this on GK right now, since it looks like most of you want to lynch either him or me. On Goodkarma: I am really really torn on him right now. On Day 1 I was pretty sure that he was scum. Currently not so much anymore, there are still posts, which make me go, well that's scumGK, but there is also stuff that makes me want to think him town. First off on the sucm tally we got his entire scumhunting effort. I don't remember playing a game with him where he was town, but I kept hearing from several people in I swear and here that he needs time to get started but is then a good townplayer in his own right. I just do not see it here. His cases have been pretty fucking trash. But posts like these: Also exist. They are pretty townie (even if wrong on me) on the mentality side of the game. Because largely based on elimination I also ended up with only him left, if we just go with face value of how things went down so far. Ergo if we do not assume some crazy plays with bussing on d1 for no reason etc. Having said this I am perfectly fine to trade with GK, so just lynch me first to get my town flip and then go kill him. Just wanted to post this before I go rereading Even so far as to say he uses a townie mentality. Put yourself in his position here. There's probably two other viable lynches today other than himself. GK and Me. Oats hes already called town previously. I don't think scum are going to come back into the thread, call their main tunnel all game probably town, then look at the next obvious target (me) and say that he's giving off town vibes. It just doesn't leave you any options. He freely admits that this doesn't leave him any solid targets, agreeing with my 'being lostness'. What is his endgame with this strategy if he's scum? He's just going to call everyone town and hope they forget about him? We're all probably getting lynched at some point, its just a matter of what order, as GK has pointed out. His willingness to reexamine Sloosh and OO is townie thoroughness/paranoia after he concludes i'm possibly town and he doesn't like any of the options in this group. As was his paranoia towards hapa. I think what happened here was both GK and ShiaoPi came into this game with their previous scum adventures fresh on their minds, and got a case of confirmation bias on each other and went tunneling. I did the exact same thing with Cyber_Cheese in Mafia L after our first scum game. I do not think he is scum. | ||
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Adam4167
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He goes from: On June 25 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think gk's post is alignment indicative, hapa immediately unvoting is REALLY FUCKING ODD. Martyring isnt alignment indicative, and if gk stays alive to lylo, is he benefit to town? no because even as town he gave up. SO KILL HIM. I don't think its alignment indicative. Add in casting suspicion onto Hapa for a legitimate unvote and also apparently knowing that GK gave up 'as town'. To: On June 25 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Hapa, I just saw what I feel is a scumclaim. A SCUMCLAIM. A SCUMCLAIM. In 10 minutes. His justification is: On June 25 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched. Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through. I don't think a townie would ragequit in a way that makes himself look this townie, therefore its a scumclaim. Read that again if you have to. I do not buy this explanation one bit. Look at his attitude towards me. He has been hammering me since I got in here, and utterly refuses to listen to anything I put forward about why I am not scum, nor does he listen to why other people think I might be town. I gave a legitimate response for why I was not playing up to my Duel mafia standards, for which he had no rebuttal. He then uses the same argument again as a reason I am scum when discussing with OO. This kind of blatant disregard for anything coming out of your targets mouth is scummy. You know they're making a point that you cant argue, but you keep harping on it anyway. The one time he shows some form of insecurity in his read towards me? The post he votes me in. That is scummy. If you're sure I'm scum, as he damn well appears to be, drop your vote, call me scum and start convincing everyone else of your viewpoint. Instead, its this: On June 25 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote adam Because the last time as you have quoted I tunneled people, against many people, they flipped town. Is it like that again? "Last time I tunneled someone to death against what everyone was saying they flipped town. Is that happening again?" This attitude does not gel with voting someone. He's apparently reconsidering yet voting to kill me in the same post. Inconsistent. Scummy. I already went over this before but ill go over it again. I called him out for not having a vote for me. He felt insecure and the need to correct that perceived wrong so he slapped his vote down as soon as he could. One minute later, he's saying "Votes dont matter man", so why did he vote in the first place if they don't matter! He realized he made a mistake and tried to downplay it. If he felt votes didn't matter, he would have responded to my first post with "it doesn't matter now, ill vote you later in the day after the discussion is over", but that isn't what happened. | ||
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Adam4167
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Oats, if you don't plan on pushing for my lynch, and you sure as hell didn't defend ShiaoPi, someone you just called town, from being lynched - what DO you plan on doing this game? I refuse to believe GK is scum. If he has to resort to these kind of shit tactics to win as scum, he can have it, but I wont be signing up to play with him again. GK, if you're town then get in here and give us your new perspective since your scum read just flipped town. Otherwise, replace out. | ||
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Adam4167
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ShiaoPi wasn't really in danger of getting lynched...... you do realize hes DEAD right? You were clearly here at the lynch, yet you said nothing. | ||
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BOGGLES! | ||
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