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marv:
I don't get it. ShiaoPi is scum for calling yamato scum, which you describe as "horribly lazy comment".
yamato is town for calling people town and worrysome when they in fact were null for him. How is that not a "horribly lazy comment" in the first place?
Does ShiaoPi do that as scum but not as town? Can you back that up somehow?
There is something that worries me in ShiaoPi's comment about yamato, but i'm not going to reveal it yet. Can anyone see what that is?
ShiaoPi; elaborate your read on yamato please. Anyone else you find scummy here at the moment?
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marv:
I understand you better. That's also why i refer to games i have played with certain people when using meta on them and when judging their actions. Because in games i have played i have better feel of why people are saying the stuff they are, i know the game better.
Here's what i find out to be different in yamato's scum/town play. He is aggressive as either alignment. In his town game i have played with him (LXI) (i only look at games where i was town, because i am playing in town!mentality which is different from my scum!mentality) yamato was calling out people he wanted to kill and there were many of them. He only after some time called some people town, but that was more into D1 than what's here. In his scumgame (RED) he made a sucky case on Dandel and defended that case into oblivion and kinda got caught during that process.
While i don't think this opening of yamato does not straight up maen he's scum based on meta, it's very different form of "aggression" in terms of meta (by aggression i mean certainities he is using, hope you get what i mean). What i know of yamato's town!play, he wants to lynch people he finds suspicious from the beginning, even without strong evidence. Here he is doing the opposite, he is calling people town with no strong evidence (which he has said to be the case himself).
That's why i am voting for him.
About ShiaoPi:
I get your case on him. I am mostly worried about how he approached the yamato situation as well. Especially his wording, as he said "yamato is so pro @ looking scum as either alignment". Does ShiaoPi really think yamato is scum or not? Because that bolded part screams to me that he seems to be knowing yamato is town somehow.
I need more input from both of them because i do not think they are both scum.
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Probably because the discussion topics need to give some input.
What do you think of Ange DP?
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Do you think she has a clear train of thought?
Could you elaborate a little more?
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`Yeah i remember the hero medic game.
So far i'm interested to look more into yamato/ShioPi/Ange/Hapa/Coag, and to some extent OO.
Is there anyone you want to talk about since you are around?
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The thing with Coag is that i want him to give opinions on someone else than you. It doesn't even matter what alignment you are, this joke thingy with lynching you is bad as shit. Why not actually hunt scum besides calling you scum before you have not even posted?
Do you know how to read OO marv? What do you think of him at the moment? Also you didn't answer Oats' question about Ange. What do you think of her?
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EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm?
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On June 21 2013 21:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm? Like what do you expect people to say about her? shea hasn't done anything but ask some questions.
Ehh.. What do they think about her questions and if they make sense? Because to me they don't (besides her question to Oats). To me it sounds like she is just dropping off random questions with no follow up. I know she is at least supposed to be a strong player if town and i am not seeing it here.
You should always have an opinion on everyone since they have posted, because you should look at every post from town/scum point of view, and from which they make more sense. "Nothing at all" is not really a satisfying answer to me from marvellosity. There is no analysis.
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I actually do think GK's read on Oats is pretty shitty.
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I have a problem with his "case" because he is calling Oats scum for meta-reasons (which he does not really describe well - i'm not sure if he is saying this is because of meta or not). And this game Oats is playing to his town meta imo. GK says Oats is scum because he is not playing to his town meta (lacking aggressiveness if i read that correctly?), but he does not describe how this is similar to his scum meta, he just says "Oats could do this as mafia". About Oats forgetting about people and hopping on different things. I find that to be a trademark for Oats' townplay and GK in my opinion incorrectly says this is a scum-tell from Oats.
And i don't see, if he thinks this way, what makes Oats/yamato different? Why is he not commenting on yamato but only to Oats? He is not looking Oats' jump on yamato in a perspective that Oats might be town. In fact he does not comment the yamato issue in any way.
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ShiaoPi why did you felt the need to say yamato is good at looking scum as town and as scum? How does that help you to determine anyone's alignment?
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So you agree you were saying something just for sake of saying something?
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Also ShiaoPi, can you elaborate more on why does GK's case on Oats mean he is scum from meta-perspective. Does he not make this kinda cases as town?
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On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote:sorry went off for a round of dota Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you agree you were saying something just for sake of saying something? The post I did was in order to verify if my impression of yamatos play is shared by everyone or at least some of the other players. so no that post was not only for the sake of saying something. Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 21 2013 23:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
Because that is what yamato does (at least in my memory)? Yes, it does not help anyone to determine his alignment right now, but what did you expect, words of wisdom in every post I do on day 1? It's just something to keep in mind.
I am thinking you are blowing this way out of proportion When have you played with yamato that has given you this impression? Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now. Now on GK: The case on oats is bad since I have not seen anything really alignment indicative from oats right now. gk is just using oats playstyle against him to look contributing and scumhunting, usual scum motivation stuff. His play also feels a lot like I swear this is normal mini mafia, which just ended recently and where I and gk were scum. (minus the inactive replacement shenanis) Also gk is most surely familiar with oats' play so taking this "easy" target is something I think is clearly scummotivated
The case on Oats is bad for sure. I'm just trying to figure out if it's scum!GK or town!GK doing this. You seem to be sure of him being scum because you have voted for him. It does not matter if GK has done this as scum, the question you did not answer is do you have evidence that he has not done this as town? Is your meta-case valid or not?
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Cora, i kinda think i do understand, but can you elaborate more because i also understand what Oats is saying and i agree with him.
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On June 22 2013 00:32 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote:sorry went off for a round of dota On June 21 2013 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you agree you were saying something just for sake of saying something? The post I did was in order to verify if my impression of yamatos play is shared by everyone or at least some of the other players. so no that post was not only for the sake of saying something. On June 21 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 21 2013 23:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
Because that is what yamato does (at least in my memory)? Yes, it does not help anyone to determine his alignment right now, but what did you expect, words of wisdom in every post I do on day 1? It's just something to keep in mind.
I am thinking you are blowing this way out of proportion When have you played with yamato that has given you this impression? Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now. Now on GK: The case on oats is bad since I have not seen anything really alignment indicative from oats right now. gk is just using oats playstyle against him to look contributing and scumhunting, usual scum motivation stuff. His play also feels a lot like I swear this is normal mini mafia, which just ended recently and where I and gk were scum. (minus the inactive replacement shenanis) Also gk is most surely familiar with oats' play so taking this "easy" target is something I think is clearly scummotivated The case on Oats is bad for sure. I'm just trying to figure out if it's scum!GK or town!GK doing this. You seem to be sure of him being scum because you have voted for him. It does not matter if GK has done this as scum, the question you did not answer is do you have evidence that he has not done this as town? Is your meta-case valid or not? I think mainly based on gut feeling and comparison with the last game as scum we had together. Cant remember the last time goodkarma rolled town with me playing as well. Also you just objectively judged that the case is terribad, so why do you need so much meta? Meta is much more of a helpful factor in my opinion not necessarily the argument to get somebody lynched. So I see gk doing that case on oats which is scummy as shit and then compare it to his play in I swear, I think its similar so it reinforces my scumread on him... To be honest I don't even know what your problem is
My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now.
If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK.
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On June 22 2013 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why did you post that?
+1
Cora, your answers do not please me at all.
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On June 22 2013 00:43 cDgCorazon wrote:So I explain my reasoning for a possible vote on Yamato later. Since many people are all for doing things without explaining them, I thought I would make things a bit easier for everyone...showing that pro-town atmosphere that a lot of you decide to not show.
No, you are explaining you will vote for yamato if he does X instead of Y. You are basically explaining why you will NOT vote for yamato later...
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On June 22 2013 00:49 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
what is your current read on GK anyway?
I don't know yet. On the other hand his case on Oats is bad for reasons i have stated, on the other hand he has made an equally bad case on me in Les Mafia where i was town. I know townies do not always get their facts straight (like GK in Les mafia) and i need to hear more from him. I also didn't like the fact that he was unwilling to comment on yamato for same reasons he was accusing Oats, so i'm leaning on scum on him from what he has said.
I understand your point on GK a bit better, but given that i do not know his alignment and i do not know your alignment, your latest entrance in thread seemed to me like you were trying to bring up some other suspect than yourself (which was also discussed in thread at that time).
So, do you have any thoughts on other players than GK? Mainly yamato/Hapa/Ange?
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GK, what's your read on yamato?
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