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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:07 yamato77 wrote: That does seem like he's not trying particularly hard to do these things. In my experience, town OO would be reading closer than that. If we're not lynching DP, I'll lynch OO. What did I misread? Can I blame it on my iPod and the glare of the sun? | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn't misread anything, you just claimed scum. Oh. Okay, sounds good. Carry on. No. Wait. The opposite of that. Explain. | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. Sloosh viewed you as scum as you asked some random person (Goag) about Oats. You are perfectly fine with that because you think it's true as you said to me. I implied I think it's a valid viewpoint for sloosh to see me as scum and that I do not see sloosh as scum because he is being townier than I am. Does that make sense? | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can Sloosh be townier than you in your PoV? 'Cause I was literally gone for like 30 hours and had only handful of posts to my name of any value, whereas sloosh has been doing the figuring out of the game and made some rational posts that a) make me think he's not scum because he's not lurking like a motherfucker and b) sounds genuinely interested in figuring out the game despite his schedule. You can't say those things about my play prior to my return -- thus he is more townie than I. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but in this case he is believing what Sloosh says, and he should not be sure if Sloosh is town or not, and he certainly should not be okay with Sloosh calling him scum if he is town. How are you equating that I believe what sloosh is saying with my opinion on his level of effort and engagement in the thread? Do you not see how that is incorrect? | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you okay with Sloosh calling you scum if you are town? Especially considering that he is one of the lurkers. BECAUSE I WAS A LURKER TOO AND IT MAKES SENSE AT THE TIME HE WROTE IT OMG | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:25 Coagulation wrote: Marv so far has completely failed to put any pressure at all on me. He seems content with leaving me fucking off calling him scum like herpderp because he knows its not gonna gain traction. Instead hes focused on the bigger players in the game cause he doesnt see me as a threat.. town marv wouldnt be so passive about me IMO. Marv's town play seems to be trending towards more passive of late, mostly I think it began with RTP where he was really out-of-character disengaged with the thread (even went as far as to semi-martyr himself). You saw this yourself in the game we played on OMGUS together. Somewhere it was either self-described or meta described by someone else that scum-Marv takes leadership over the town, unless my memory is wrong. I can't source it for you, sorry. You seem to be trying to draw his attention and he's not responding to it. Is there a reason you want to vote for Marv other than funsies that makes sense in the context of this game? Why does Marv ignoring you in the greater scheme of things make him scummy and not simply dismissive until he finds something you write scummy? | ||
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ObviousOne
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Whose reads are withheld you have seen though My greatest desire To lynch him with fire Town vic'try for us, for the people /bow | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. Fuck. Where is Blazinghand? Scumslips don't exist. You are proposing that I, as scum, agree with sloosh that I am scum (the noun, not the adjective) and that it is a scum slip. Then I explain my thought process to you and you are like "nah fuck it, scumslip"? What the actual fuck, Rayn? | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 04:07 yamato77 wrote: Could still be scum, would rather lynch DP. Seriously, he's actually demonstrably mafia. I'm not interested in switching, I just want to talk about Shiao because he's my #2 right now and it's just you and me right now I guess until Hapa is done reading. | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 05:03 Hapahauli wrote: Surely you can eat pizza and play mafia concurrently. Not hard. I was in a car and I do not have a smart phone. Even if I did, http://www.dmv.ny.gov/cellphone.htm On June 23 2013 05:01 Hapahauli wrote: Actually hell. OO, where did you run off to? You apparently have behavioral reasons to think DP is scum. Explain them to me. DP is a smart feller, which I can admit despite our periodic antagonism towards each other from our history of games over the past 9 months). The fact that he construed my willingness to vote for what I consider to be an anti-town element (Oats) when I have a town read on that player (Oats) leads me to believe he blew what I wrote out of proportion to get a feel for thread sentiment in lynching me. A policy lynch doesn't work like that, and he knows it. I think it's pretty well established that I am in favor of policy lynching liabilities to town if only to progressively promote an atmosphere where mafia can't hide by doing stupid things or without explaining their own motivations (linked you to it in a previous post where I wrote it in a post as PTroughton2 in the post-game for smurf). I wasn't be around to call him out for it, and he didn't actively pursue it, either. Think about that last qualifier for a moment in the realm of thinking of DP. He did not pursue his own scum read on me or try to persuade people to vote for me. He left it hanging for someone else to potentially take the reigns on. What motivation does DP have to pronounce a scum read and then not follow up on it? It doesn't feel right given his ego-driven high power play. So he doesn't want to lead the mislynch, then? Also, I can't believe I missed this, this is gold. On June 21 2013 14:26 DarthPunk wrote: Obviously, or why would I say it? I didn't like how he just came into the thread with a town read on fucking scummy oates with all this reasoning. Seemed contrived to me. Like his first post is this big thought out town read on the guy shitting up the thread. That kush thing pissed me off too. So what is his stance on Oats? Not sure, it isn't clear. He interacts with Oats, he calls Oats' play scummy, but where's the vote? Where's the push to lynch if Oats is scummy to him? It's fucking ABSENT. The same with me. Why is he not leading lynches? Massive ego + not leading lynches = scum hiding in plain sight. Oh, and DP, if Kush was good then I would have lost that game. /dunked | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote: Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things 1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it 2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter 3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine? On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote: --snip-- At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers. --snip-- All in all we should lynch Obvious though. Sheep me plz Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote: No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes. Lurker lynch is not a policy lynch? Just asking because that's how I see his final push on me with this stuff. Maybe you see it differently? | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 06:42 Ange777 wrote: Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them. If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma. But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that. I don't recall having any experience with town Shiao, can you clarify what you mean when comparing the two? I have Shiao as a candidate for what looked like an intentionally over-antagonistic approach towards GK. Is that characteristic of a town Shiao, if you know of Shiao's play? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On June 23 2013 07:16 Ange777 wrote: I think I've only obsed/co-hosted a few games where ShiaoPi played so I didn't play with him in a game before. By comparing them I meant that if I had to chose between one of these two players to lynch today I would prefer to lynch goodkarma instead of ShiaoPi. What makes you think his posting style is over-antagonistic? I didn't get that feeling. I'm reading the conversation through GK's filter and it looks like they're both doing the "whateva whateva I do what I want" thing at each other. I wasn't sure if there was some kind of grudge backstory to this. Shiao has been solely focused on GK, and GK has been focused on Oats and Shiao. On June 22 2013 00:52 goodkarma wrote: @Shao: Explain to me how picking to attack me on what thread consensus has already determined to be a bad discussion point isn't in fact attacking an "easy target"? And while you're at it please tell me if that means I should assume you're scum? I will hold discussion on whatever the fuck I feel is relevant to finding scum. I really don't care if you find who I discuss "easy," and if you were to do any legwork at all you'd find I frequently look into people you might consider "easy" on day one. To me, day one is all about generating discussion and a pro-town atmosphere. To that end, I constantly look at lurkers (something I haven't done this game all that much) and have what you might consider "weaker" discussion points about more active people just to get a better idea of where their alignment stands. I was mostly interested in this singular point on Oatsmaster: Why would he so eagerly jump his suspicions onto Yamato while ignoring his earlier reads? That was it. I actually do like his explanations, although I disagree with them, on DP and Hapa. At least I can visualize how a town Oats could come to such conclusions. The thing with his play this game is that it's dramatically different than what I saw of his townplay last game, and I'm still working to make sense of it. On June 22 2013 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: @gk: you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?! I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount. tell me about dramatically differences in oats play. On June 22 2013 02:17 goodkarma wrote: What do you think of Marv btw Shao? On June 22 2013 02:17 goodkarma wrote: In B4 null. This just feels really out-there in terms of interaction. The antagonism feels like it's long term, since I don't really see a reason for it to have sprouted up in the thread. I could be wrong, though, and probably am. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote: That might be the towniest thing gk has done :x The "fuck off, I'm doing my thang", thang? | ||
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