EPTIll let you know when I have a scum read I actually feel confident in.
I want you to stop dicking around and make a real case that consists of more than a single line against someone. If thats me, then so be it, but make yourself useful.
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Adam4167
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Ill let you know when I have a scum read I actually feel confident in. I want you to stop dicking around and make a real case that consists of more than a single line against someone. If thats me, then so be it, but make yourself useful. | ||
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On June 23 2013 20:27 Ange777 wrote: @Adam: Can you please clarify on the subject of your townreads? Are you saying that Cora, Marv and Hapa are your stronger town reads among the people who voted on GK or in general? What makes you so sure about them being town? They're my strongest townreads in the game, bar Yamato who would sit either first or second behind Cora. It still blows my mind that DP actually flipped scum, because when I compare both wagons side-by-side I see most of the towniest people all apparently on the wrong side of this lynch, and seemingly a hoard of semi-lurkers got together and offed the mafia godfather. To say i'm perplexed is an understatement. Cora is town to me because of his general attitude. He isn't afraid to be himself, even if it gets him lynched. Constantly trying to redirect people onto more productive endeavors - trying to get coag to stop tunneling marv who hasn't even posted in the thread yet, for example. He feels exactly the same way he did in Duel mafia, except his reasoning is stronger, which probably stems from playing a few games since then. Marv is town to me because we seem to be thinking along the same train of thought. The fact that his reads seem to echo most of my own fills me with some confidence that he is probably town. Hes been trying to figure people out from what I can tell and he seems to share my confusion with the current state of the game - that someone I've given a town read on probably has me tricked. His meta read on me is another plus. Hes probably the person most familiar with my scum play after our escapades in Hero mafia and hes got me nailed dead-to-rights - my scum play is wooden, not fluid and I am literally petrified of posting for fear of being accused. Hapa feels town because hes actually posting and engaging people. In duel I defended scum hapa for over a cycle before common-sense finally set in that I was defending him even when he wasn't defending himself. His willingness to engage me as soon as I joined the game, and again tonight, was more than I ever got out of him in Duel. Bottom line is if his post count drops off and he becomes withdrawn in the thread, hes scum - I don't see that from him here. He has one of the biggest filters in the thread and hes quick to interrogate people if he doesn't understand what they're saying. | ||
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Ill ignore you until you don't make my piss rise to a boil. | ||
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I've just been privileged to play in a town that imploded after pushing 2 scum on day 1, due to the faulty logic "he wasn't on the scum lynch D1, therefore scummy" so i'm hesitant to make that call again here when I see objectively townie play from them, at least in my opinion. If either Marv or Hapa were scum with DP, they'd have rolled over this town and we'd have lynched OO for sure. Their thread control would have been enormous. No way they'd have let him get lynched if he was their teammate. | ||
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As per this post: On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote: I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow. Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order). I don't consider anyone on the DP wagon to be a viable lynch for tomorrow, so I strike them off my list. I then take out the people I feel are town who were on the GK wagon - Cora, Hapa, Marv. This leaves me with 4 names: Yourself, ShiaoPi, GK and Oats. I liked your hustle on D1, so I feel most confident that you're town out of this bunch, so you come off. Oats is being a right shit, but most people seem to think hes town for it, so I move him to the maybe category. This leaves me with either GK or ShiaoPi. I doubt they're both scum together due to their actions on D1, so unless we're dealing with a 3 man scum team of DP, Oats and one of these two, I've already messed up somewhere in my logic. This leads me to conclude that either my town reads on the GK wagon are wrong, or that the scum are on the DP wagon and bussed him yesterday. I sincerely do not think the scum team bussed yesterday, for that they threw away an exceptional scum player with probably the best role to suit his play style. So I take a look at the 3 people I called town on the GK wagon with me... and all I see is town. I cant manufacture scum reads that I don't have. So this is where i'm at. I hope to have a better understanding of what actually happened D1 after the KP starts flying around the place. Where to tomorrow? Resolving the GK and ShiaoPi situation looks as good a place to start. I don't get a strong scum read off either of them by examining either of their filters. I don't find the cases that either of them put forward yesterday to be all that compelling either. Hence my comment on seeing what they did and how they did it. | ||
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And apparently I was wasting my breath with Rayn. | ||
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With so many 3rd parties, it may even be a 3 man scum team. | ||
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I was about ready to eat my words on you, because that did look pretty bad. :X | ||
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You saved me a day of talking to a brick wall. | ||
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I feel like we resolve this GK/SP situation and the endgame credits roll. | ||
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Where should we head today GK? | ||
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That's usually a town role, but we'll see. | ||
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Plus Cora claimed blue also. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote: marv and yamato werent town. ha. GK saying he is obvtown instead of town is rubbing me the wrong way. Its like obv town is your appearance to the thread, town is your actual alignment. Im only inclined on lynching Adam/GK/Hapa today. I dont know what its about but hapa's play d2 has felt really off, like posts for the sake of it and stuff. So.. you want to lynch the two people Rayn was attacking when he died... when he didn't know he was going to die. Yeah. OK. | ||
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Anti-town? sure. Doesn't make it any less true. | ||
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Rayn was calling me scum right before he died. He was going to try and push me today. I am yet to comment on GK and SP because SP is yet to return to the thread. I want to hear them both out before I decide which way I want to go. I have zero reason to think you're anything. You post no justification for 95% of your 'reads'. I'd rather kill you than sit here and bash my head against a wall trying to figure out what you are. | ||
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Use. Your. Brain. | ||
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I'm town because i'm being exceptionally open with all my thoughts. People think you're town because you're irrational and useless. I know which I prefer. | ||
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I do not think a scum ShiaoPi would be giving me a town read of right here. Nor was I expecting GK to do it when he did, if he were actually scum. Something fucking fishy going on this game. | ||
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ShiaoPi felt genuine when we were discussing things earlier. I am reasonably certain I do not want to lynch him today. His desire to trade himself seems crazy at first glance, especially if hes not certain that GK is scum, but its town crazy By contrast, GK was certain that ShiaoPi was the last scum, but also left himself an out 'in case ShiaoPi somehow flipped town for some really odd reason' (then he would reconsider his town reads). Going by vote analysis alone, it would make sense that GK is also scum, as Rayn let his vote waste on OO rather than swing it over to GK after I threw mine on to get that wagon over the line and save DP. Granted, its entirely possible Rayn was AFK for the lynch. | ||
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