PTP IV - Demon's Run

On June 22 2013 12:30 geript wrote:
Austinmcc
Bloody cobbler
Crossfire 99
Dandel ion

On June 22 2013 19:31 Xatalos wrote:


Hm yeah, looking at your history, I doubt that you would start like that as Mafia. Too effortless and careless IMO. But really, voting for Dandel Ion because of spam? Granted it's not impossible that he's Mafia and spamming to "ruin the atmosphere".. I think it's safe to say that's not a typical way to play scum, especially this actively. And do you even think he's Mafia or just voting because he annoys you?

On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.

On June 23 2013 01:02 Kurumi wrote:

Yadda yadda
What could I do couple of hours into the game? Voted the most malicious player, remarked on bad atmosphere and moved on.
I am not going to post stuff that makes no sense just to look like I do stuff, I do stuff because I do stuff, not because I want to look like I do stuff.
Why did you claim who you made role for? You know that we are likely to have Assassin-type role, right?



Easiest explanation is: he is playing around or has a role revolving around voting people. Keep that somewhere when we have more evidence pointing at sk8r (if any).

For some reason geript taunts me with his posts so I am not going to quote him ever, sorry guys.

On June 23 2013 03:45 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


You are my scum read, which I have committed to pushing. Making a day 1 list of who I think is scummy is not scummy. Of course i'm not going to push them, because really they are just lists. If you want to be technical, yes I was not serious when I said 100%. It's day 1, you should assume that I was not 100% sure.

Defending and discrediting me so hard on day one however, is scummy.


Hearing that you died d1 your past few PTP's makes me feel bad. I might consider doing a pity unvote.

On June 23 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think it's self-explanatory at all.
Acro, I am neither a fail scum or an inept townie. It's not going to be that easy for you, my man.

As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you. If you're so keen to drive conversation along towards other reads all of a sudden, do you have any others?

On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

Remember Les Mafia?
That's how.

On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.

You are a vig switch! Until you are dead, anyone attempting to use a vigilante type ability is immediately roleblocked!

On June 23 2013 06:19 Zephirdd wrote:
austinmcc, specifically, strikes are very scummy to me. All he's done is asking questions to a guy who was clearly away from the thread(me), and it looks like he is asking for advice more than how-a-scum-thinks. I'll wait for more contributions out of him.

On June 24 2013 04:05 kitaman27 wrote:
So here is where I'm at:

I think there are plenty of people that did a good job of looking obviously town on day one. We're in a good position because of that.

Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy.

As for the other people under suspicion...

Between s0Lstice and Zeph, I think s0L is more likely to be scum.

He is willing to call both BC and sk8r town, but doesn't really explain what happened to the roleblocker (unless he is the roleblocker himself). I don't follow his reasoning to come to a both town conclusion based on what he has shared. His vote on Zeph seems like he needs to come up with a lynch candidate and push it, but the reasoning he grabbed on to isn't very strong. He is pushing the Zeph lynch with too much confidence to think he was scum based on the reasoning provided, which is generally what I fall into as scum.

Also, posts like these always seem like they are more likely to come from scum than town:

Between

I still think we should resolve the Sk8r situation first based on my reasoning above.

##Vote Sk8r

On June 24 2013 04:13 kitaman27 wrote:


Why the hell would I try to explain what happened to the roleblocker? I can make up a bunch of scenarios where the two of them can be either alignment based on what happened with the roleblocker, and not have any idea which is more likely, because its flippin PTP.

I'm reading them like I'm not in PTP...like I said before, the old fashioned way. I kinda think you didn't even read my filter dude, because I've been over this.

On June 24 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:


oh this is fun

...or one of the million lurkers we have has an automatic dayvig shutdown and hasn't been around to say anything about it or isn't caring/is checked out to the point that they don't realize that information would be pertinant right now? Like Xfire?

your focus on this is silly

On June 24 2013 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:


No, that the block was a passive ability that doesn't require any attention from the player at all to go through. I already outlined a possibility like this is my filter. Are you scum kita? You claimed to have just read me.

On June 24 2013 04:08 austinmcc wrote:
cuz right now pushing off skater seems more effective than pushing on zeph. Also, people that I trust are reading skater differently, want to figure that out so I can read them better.

On June 24 2013 05:06 Xatalos wrote:


I haven't put too much attention on him, but he's a heavy lurker without any actual impact on the game so far. That's very suspicious compared to my memory of him being a very clear town (as town) when we last played together a long time ago. Now he's everything but clear town. Certainly most suspicious of the lurkers in this game, and would lynch him rather than most other players, but not rather than you or WOS. Not exactly sure where I'd put Kurumi atm.

(Btw you should refrain from dodging a question for once now that I answered you clearly, don't you think.)

On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote:


Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange?