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On June 21 2013 06:16 Dandel Ion wrote: is your lore character a oneshot poisoner? You can guess if I would think it's a powerful role in that case.. | ||
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Seems like there's a lot of off-topic banter so far, but it's a lot better than nothing. In fact, it's been good for (at least slight) town reads already. What actually bothers me are those players who A) don't interact with any of this harmless gossip B) react to it in a weird way. For example, WafeofShadow caught my attention. On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here. Let's see: Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does. Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet. Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say. Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them. So, who got my role? This "opening" post doesn't really contain anything of his own. It's just a reactionary post to Dandel Ion's trolling and the overall atmosphere of the thread. In addition, the post feels "crafted" in a way, kind of like a planned "okayish" entrance not worthy of attention. On June 22 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: See I feel like I've unconsciously joined the tryhard camp because I was thinking this exact same thing. On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: /tryhard pants ##Vote: Acrofales kita. kita. He scum. Vote fer him. I get a really scummy feeling from all this "tryhard" self-praise. WaveofShadow keeps saying he's "tryhard", yet his posts are basically contentless and useless pieces of semi-okayish text. It's like he tries to convince people that he's actually an asset while not being one. When would town feel the inherent urge for such "reputation building"? Basically never. Mafia, on the other hand, would greatly benefit from staying out of pressure without helping at all. And that's what WaveofShadow has been doing so far. ##Vote WaveofShadow | ||
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On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote: For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense. No trolling for me I guess. We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies? LOL. This post *would* be scummy if it showed any actual effort to be safe from lynching. Now, it seems more like a clueless town post. On the other hand, might be 100% clueless Mafia... | ||
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On June 22 2013 17:51 gonzaw wrote: Well Xatalos, I'm usually all for early-game-banter-heuristics but I don't really find anything useful in today's early-game, other than getting some town reads. So yeah good luck with other stuff I guess. No comment on your WoS case. Oh good, seems you got my role then I take it you don't find WaveofShadow scummy so far? Or..? (That's exactly my point by the way, these filler posts haven't been a perfect start, but it's dramatically better than nothing or bland introduction posts.) | ||
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On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote: Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time. Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that. Hm yeah, looking at your history, I doubt that you would start like that as Mafia. Too effortless and careless IMO. But really, voting for Dandel Ion because of spam? Granted it's not impossible that he's Mafia and spamming to "ruin the atmosphere".. I think it's safe to say that's not a typical way to play scum, especially this actively. And do you even think he's Mafia or just voting because he annoys you? | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote: They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? | ||
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On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote: Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing. I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. Hmmmmm. That's pretty much a joke/throwaway vote from what I can see. Why is it alignment indicative? Other players have done similar stuff innumerable times before regardless of their alignment, especially during early D1. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote: Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say: Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed. Zephir, are you perhaps scum? In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that. Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game. Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig? | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote: This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following: 1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game) 2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead. An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that. Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around. Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot. Gotta check out ##fistbump now.. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote: Also, screw all of you. I'll go first. I wrote the role for The Doctor. Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:34 Acrofales wrote: Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum. Ha ha.. Rarely do I see stronger reasoning. | ||
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On June 22 2013 22:22 Acrofales wrote: It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us: 1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too) 2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim 3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy. Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim. Points 2 and 3 are true, but IMO just not as valuable as making fakeclaiming more risky for Mafia. With reveals, everyone knows which role names are open for fakeclaiming. This helps Mafia significantly more than town. Everyone knows that a certain name is open for fakeclaiming, but it's only a *possibility* for fakeclaiming - there's no way to know if the claim is real or fake. Without reveals, Mafia can never know 100% if it's "safe" to fakeclaim a certain role name. There's always a more than 0% chance of being busted if a cornered Mafia needs to fakeclaim. And now if you're shot, for example, Mafia already have one solid role name to use for fakeclaiming with 0% chance of being caught. Of course it would look suspicious soon after your death, but the situation is vastly different at LYLO. | ||
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Acrofales, you mentioned (FOSed?) Kurumi for lamenting the thread. And me for "going in the other direction" (not lamenting it?). What about WaveofShadow? Way more scummy than Kurumi in my eyes. He lamented the thread AND forcefully added a "tryhard" attitude to himself without really backing it up... | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:54 Crossfire99 wrote: ##Pants: WaveofShadow I'm going to bed now. I'm gone all day tomorrow and doubt that I will be able to post. I should be around Sunday, though. Ugh. This is basically Crossfire99's whole contribution so far (not including his earlier one-liner). And it seems like it'll remain that way for the rest of D1. Not sure if such blatant lurking can even be called scummy, but it's at least definitely anti-town.. | ||
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On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote: And, if you look at my filter. I am clearly not happy with the way WoS is playing. I even said so in my post about you... Oh, ok. "I had a similar feeling about WOS." I misread that to mean that you had a similar feeling about WOS in some previous game compared to me in this game. But, surely you have preferences (between Kurumi/WOS/me I guess)? That vote on strongandbig is just meaningless in every sense. And.. It feels like the thread has been pretty inactive today (even with 16 players total). Some town reads have been possible to make so far, but no strong scumreads. I'd rather lynch WaveofShadow than a hard lurker atm, but consider that there are lots of blue roles, everyone. If you just lurk, you make a big target for power usage (just a friendly reminder ). | ||
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On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote: He promised contribution on Sunday. It is now Saturday. Also, if Xfire is still as hilariously bad at scum as the last time I played with him, it'll be pretty easy. Hmm. I really hate "promises" like that. "Hey, I'll just lurk my way through D1 and bandwagon someone at the end of the day! Thanks for your understanding." We'll see, I guess.. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:16 Acrofales wrote: Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him). Hm. Didn't think you were serious with your vote (considering all the other FOS mentions and just "prolly scum" on strongandbig before voting).. No doubt I want to see more from him though. | ||
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Anyways, I barely could read through the last 5-10 pages, let alone make sense of it yet. Most noticeably it seems like BC made a fake vig-shot. That's extremely stupid to do as either alignment, but more so for Mafia than for town. So BC = townish in my books from this action alone. Self-damaging behaviour doesn't fit a Mafia mindset at all. WaveofShadow has started posting quite a bit, but I'll have to go through it later. No time for some time unfortunately. At least he's posting which is positive. Content remains a point of doubt. On June 23 2013 03:43 s0Lstice wrote: Xatalos- To what history are you referring? Kurumi has never started out as 'effortless and careless' as mafia? I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like: Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented. S&B- This is ridiculous Cool story, but the town side of that story seems just as likely. I agree with Acro that this is a weak FoS. Man, so many lurky folks. Kurumi is not reading the thread: This after Acro explained tirelessly why he likes the claim idea. I could kill Kurumi and feel ok about it. Skater guy- You really need to clear up your thoughts on BC more. Why is BC scum? Like, I think I know what you are thinking...but these whole 'I voted to gauge reactions' and 'normal people would see my vote as just trolling' things muddy the waters a lot. BC- Looking better with his recent posts. Back to null for me. That's me being caught up. Gonna go back and dig more to refresh my scum reads. Hmm. Just meant that considering Kurumi's experience in Mafia, I doubt his ace scum-opener would be such a weak post gathering negative attention. What's scummy about saying that? And that Lovetap-question was actually useful (at least for me personally), I think it was Acrofales who explained it quite well soon after. How did you possibly arrive at scummy because of that? Fluff question? Maybe, but it was useful for *me* to undertand what was going on. | ||
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First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own. These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO. Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play. Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet. Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side. I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later. | ||
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I'll return to WaveofShadow's filter. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Whoa, wow. This post is horrible and reeks of bias. You have absolutely no way of knowing this whatsoever. My role is pretty damn hilarious. What does it mean that I just said that? I also denied you your role, you know, because you could be scum and giving you an advantage is bad? You are completely neglecting to take into account town perspectives in your post at all, and it looks as though you're just trying as hard as you can to place BC in a scummy light. Would scum WaveofShadow post something like this? It's possible, but doesn't feel quite right. I think it's better to lynch s0lstice atm. His overall play is more scummy and there's nothing that actually says "town" about him. ##Vote s0lstice | ||
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On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote: Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me? Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.) | ||
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Just wondering. It feels weird to have "everyone" (well, you and Kurumi) completely (or almost in Kurumi's case) agreeing. Maybe I have improved and my arguments aren't as flawed anymore? Well, gotta wait more to judge that.. | ||
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On June 23 2013 22:03 Kurumi wrote: How am I supposed to respond to that? I am playing, I am aggressive and was not really active. Sue me. If you were Attention Seeker, then yes. Why are you asking Dandel? Could you elaborate on that last sentence? Didn't quite understand it. Hmmm. Dodging again. It feels like you haven't answered a single accusation/question straight on yet (except those semantics with Dandel Ion I guess). | ||
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On June 23 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote: well i do disagree with details, like the town read on acro. I also don't think i even need to be copchecked, but as i said details... Why is Acro not townish btw? Do you see him as scummy or just neutral/null? Like I said, I don't see him as purely townish like Gonzaw, but I don't see any good reasons to suspect him either. Maybe a little cautious and passive attitude, but that's about it, and not nearly enough to suspect IMO. | ||
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On June 23 2013 22:19 Kurumi wrote: You mean the sentence aimed at Dandel or at you? I am not going to defend myself. I just don't care enough to defend myself. I don't have a super-duper overpowered role so I can die, it'd suck, but what can I do. I'd just sigh and say "I played badly, my fault". There is nothing more to say. The whole last paragraph (so both). It just confuses me. And why don't you care..? On the other hand, that attitude feels over-the-top self-destructive to be scum. But it's anti-town in any case, so you should at least try to do something about scumhunting, contributing, discussing, responding... Anything. | ||
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On June 23 2013 22:54 Dandel Ion wrote: You could also just not play badly. He's posting but he usually does. His posts have no impact tho, imo. I don't see how they make him town. Anyways, I'll just wait for the patented Acro bus, it's guaranteed to come if he's scum and really easy to tell. Hmm. Maybe. Gotta take a closer look at him. Now my battery is running out though, so cya all later. (This latest discussion left me feeling better about both Dandel Ion and Kurumi being town, although Kurumi's blatant anti-town behaviour makes him more of a question mark. At least he didn't raise any real red flags IMO.) | ||
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1) Why haven't you basically mentioned me at all (except dodging the question once when asked directly) after initially throwing dirt on me? 2) Why haven't you responded to my reply to your soft accusation? 3) Why have you pretty much ignored/dodged Gonzaw´s case on you (except downplaying it once in a vague manner) and then conveniently forgotten it? 4) Why did you suddenly bandwagon Zephirdd, an "easy" lurker lynch, despite not even mentioning him before this? All this makes me feel like you don't even care who gets lynched. Just throw some dirt around, then forget it, then avoid attention, and then jump on an easy bandwagon when the opportunity arises. Frankly, your filter reeks red. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote: over s0l? yes. But there are still like 5 people I'd rather lynch over zeph, s0l is not one of them tho. At this point, I just don't want no no-lynch. 5 people are not even voting, about as many throw away their votes on randoms. what's a brother to do. Wait, this is majority lynch? I thought the one with most votes at the end gets lynched? So who are these 5 people then... Because I thought you agreed at least on s0Lstice earlier when you "agreed with my reads". | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:51 s0Lstice wrote: I read your defense Xatalos, and I frankly don't care that you care so much about how I'm not sharing every waking thought I have in thread. If it makes that much of a difference for you, I'm gonna wait and see on you. You are here and posting, so if you are scum I don't think it will be difficult. I prioritize the time I have to play the game with, and Zeph is the lynch I want to go with as I was reading through filters. I can deal with other stuff later. Gonzaw's case was terrible. Don't care about that either atm. I feel dumber having read it. You seem content to sail off into confirmation bias land though, so enjoy your journey! The rest of you bubba's, get your vote on. Let's kill Zeph. Ugh, now this feels like talking to Kurumi (=a brick wall). If I'm in "confirmation bias land", then you're in "not doing anything land". Except dodging questions, throwing dirt and bandwagoning... | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:58 Acrofales wrote: I think s0lstice is probable town. He is contributing sensibly to the thread with things that agree with my own way of reading the thread. Of course, being sensible is not an automatic town tell, but I don't see anything that screams scum at me. I wouldn't call his play so far sensible... How do you get "sensible" from dodging negative attention, bandwagoning without effort and generally just trying to avoid helping town victory? | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:44 Kurumi wrote: 9 Votes? why would it be that, we're running classic, so anybody with highest votes dies. Hmm. Just now someone said the opposite. Oh well, if that's the case, then it's still good to start focusing on the core lynch candidates (just not as urgent). | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:45 Kurumi wrote: Oh it really is majority I did not understand decon then o_O Great. Confusion to the max... So it ***is*** majority.... In that case, let's start focusing votes people. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:35 austinmcc wrote: Phone when I can check it. Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot. While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior. I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:05 kitaman27 wrote: So here is where I'm at: I think there are plenty of people that did a good job of looking obviously town on day one. We're in a good position because of that. Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy. As for the other people under suspicion... Between s0Lstice and Zeph, I think s0L is more likely to be scum. He is willing to call both BC and sk8r town, but doesn't really explain what happened to the roleblocker (unless he is the roleblocker himself). I don't follow his reasoning to come to a both town conclusion based on what he has shared. His vote on Zeph seems like he needs to come up with a lynch candidate and push it, but the reasoning he grabbed on to isn't very strong. He is pushing the Zeph lynch with too much confidence to think he was scum based on the reasoning provided, which is generally what I fall into as scum. Also, posts like these always seem like they are more likely to come from scum than town: Between I still think we should resolve the Sk8r situation first based on my reasoning above. ##Vote Sk8r If a scum roleblocker indeed did roleblock BC, then I agree that sk8r is more than likely scum. But that's not confirmed at all. There are other possibilities: 1) A town roleblocker roleblocked BC and doesn't want to reveal his identity (yet). If this is the case, PLEASE REVEAL NOW. We all have blue roles so it's not worth it to mislynch just to keep your role secret from scum. 2) BC is lying about his role/actions/something. Not very likely. 3) Something else unexpected. There are probably so many weird roles capable of doing stuff that it's stupid to base a scumread on role speculation. Are you still convinced? Unless scum roleblocked BC, I don't see sk8r as particularly scummy. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Well I am L-3 Now. So might as well claim my RP name so the role creator at least will know how I survived. My role did not have any limitations on activating it at day. I planned on getting attacked and using my ability to mess up a scum kill. I will not reveal the actual role. I activated my ability to stay alive during the day. My role is NOT a roleblock, which is why I think BC lied or faked the attack. I am Sally Sparrow. Oh lol. So that's it. Hmm. Could be fakeclaim if scum created this role, or most certainly real if town created this role. Whoever created this role, speak out immediately please. | ||
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Unless scum created his role, then yeah. Whoever created sk8r's role, reveal it soon. We're running out of time. | ||
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Gonzaw, your thoughts on the situation? Looks like you've been AFK but read up fast please.. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:39 geript wrote: I did not create Sally Sparrow. I have no clue wtf he's talking about. This shit is getting ridiculous. Sk8tr list your top 3 scum reads and why they're your scum reads. I care about nothing else right now. What do you mean with that geript..? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. Alright, this should be enough to put sk8r on hold. If we still lynch him I'll be mad. If we no-lynch I'll be madder. So how about s0Lstice now? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:48 gonzaw wrote: Someone can point to me quick reasons why Sk8 is getting bandwagoned? Possibly scum roleblocking BC to save sk8r (now disproved by Crossfire99). Not scumhunting after BC announced shooting him (now partly disproved since he knew he wasn't going to die). Being totally okay with lynching Zephirdd now compared to hesitating with piling too many votes on strongandbig earlier (not a good point IMO since it's close to deadline now and then was then). | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote: There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt. Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked. Well, that's true. It doesn't really confirm sk8r as town. It's just a completely null tell. But it's very different from a scum roleblocker saving him being the easiest explanation earlier (that would mean he's almost certainly scum). Now we know a scum didn't save him so he's back to standard chances of being Mafia, the famous 25% most likely (compared to something like 95% if scum had actually saved him). | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote: what do you think of Austin, xatalos I haven't put too much attention on him, but he's a heavy lurker without any actual impact on the game so far. That's very suspicious compared to my memory of him being a very clear town (as town) when we last played together a long time ago. Now he's everything but clear town. Certainly most suspicious of the lurkers in this game, and would lynch him rather than most other players, but not rather than you or WOS. Not exactly sure where I'd put Kurumi atm. (Btw you should refrain from dodging a question for once now that I answered you clearly, don't you think.) | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote: ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] + I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. Ok, that's a good point about the shot. Overall this post makes you feel like a worse lynch than before IMO. A good summary on s0Lstice can be had from these questions (which he hasn't still answered so far btw): On June 24 2013 01:35 Xatalos wrote: s0Lstice... 1) Why haven't you basically mentioned me at all (except dodging the question once when asked directly) after initially throwing dirt on me? 2) Why haven't you responded to my reply to your soft accusation? 3) Why have you pretty much ignored/dodged Gonzaw´s case on you (except downplaying it once in a vague manner) and then conveniently forgotten it? 4) Why did you suddenly bandwagon Zephirdd, an "easy" lurker lynch, despite not even mentioning him before this? All this makes me feel like you don't even care who gets lynched. Just throw some dirt around, then forget it, then avoid attention, and then jump on an easy bandwagon when the opportunity arises. Frankly, your filter reeks red. | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote: Welp, now I want to kill Zepphird for that post of his. Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later. Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy: (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=25#487 ) It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town. I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts. Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc. Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well That kind of post bothers me. I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now) You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc) Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later: Here's the thing solstice. You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything. You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc) But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=18#349 This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post. It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast. Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this: ...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that. There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense: I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be. How about this for a response: 1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious 2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either. After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between. Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc. And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it. You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either: -Get them lynched -Convince people they are scum/suspicious -Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward -Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are. That's what makes me suspicious of you. ....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest). Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:13 s0Lstice wrote: also, xatalos, I answered you. you just didn't like it. Okay, you did "answer" I guess. Better than nothing, by a very slight margin. VERY slight. Nothing to even make me consider reducing my suspicions of you though. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: how do you feel about his actions surrounding this lynch? Ah, missed this one. Really wishy-washy and passive. Would lynch atm. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I will not switch off of zeph to kill solstice. I'd kill WoS but he's not getting any traction so I'll deal with him another day. You'd rather take no-lynch than lynch a player who is 80% scum and whose flip would reveal TONS of information? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He's not 80% scum. He's not even 50% at best. Pull your head out, read some filters, and get informed. Also sol's death tells us like nothing lol. Well, if s0Lstice doesn't flip scum, I'll have to rethink everything. But there's 20 mins left and no time to speculate on possibilities at this point. We lynch, he flips, we move on to new things depending on his flip. We don't lynch, we waste one day, we continue with the same arguments as we did today. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:46 Dandel Ion wrote: austin is also probably scum just based on how impossible it is to get a wagon on him. Very possible. Too little content in his filter to be sure, but he's lynchable based on what little he *has* posted, which doesn't bode well. | ||
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Yeah that's correct. Now vote!! | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:08 geript wrote: So we can talk now? You should talk about why you voted for sk8r when nobody else did, practically voting for no-lynch. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. Lol, that's a pretty lackluster reason I must say...... Why would scum want austinmcc dead when he was A) scum or at least B) otherwise harmful to town and a good lynch candidate for D2? It just makes no sense for scum to rush in and vote for austinmcc. And it didn't even go that well, which proves that scum didn't want it. So austinmcc is either scum or scum otherwise want him alive. | ||
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On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: catching up on this clusterfuck of a thread. Also, why did sk8 not get lynched? Guy actively was saying shit about how I must have faked a shot when HE ACTIVATED A POWER to save his ass. The guy has lied enough times now that he should be dead. Anyone saying "well xfire confirmed his role can do that shit" doesn't make sk8 town. Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games. I will be continuing to catch up on the thread now. I think it was because sk8r thought you had claimed to be roleblocked, while in fact you had only claimed to have your bullet refunded? It's just a misunderstanding from what I see. Can you point to where sk8r has been lying? Because if sk8r is scum, then Crossfire99 is most likely scum too, and I'm leaning town on both of them. Not to mention that if they're both scum, I highly doubt they would have pulled a risky move like this. | ||
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On June 24 2013 07:06 Kurumi wrote: Eh, I probably should cool off and rethink everything. Could you please share your thoughts before deadline? Not sure if you're scum/town atm, and it'd be in your own best interest to make me think you're town during this time.. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: BC, are you around? If so, you want a present or want your choice to get? Time is limited before presents go in the mail, but will ship it along if I don't hear from you. NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there. To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum. Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work. I agree that I've never seen you this absent before. That's not all though. I associate a heavy townish atmosphere with your name (from earlier memories), and I haven't got such a feeling from any of your posts so far. I don't think you were all that active before either, but you looked townish (analytical/helpful/insightful) with your posts. Where's that in this game? Please start playing like town if you actually ARE town. Otherwise your life expectancy isn't looking too good. | ||
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LOL hahahaha... Good point.. Maybe I should reconsider my townread on BC after all. This heavy bias and inconsistent attitudes towards players sadly doesn't radiate townishness Being AFK for the pre-lynch hour(s) doesn't make me feel any better either. BC town -> null. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I am tres sad Solstice wasn't scum. My tryhard pants must have holes in them or something. Hey Kurumi. Since you like bluefishing so much, let's talk about roles. Solstice can come back to the thread anytime he likes, correct? Is there a point in waiting until later in the game to do so? Also I know who wrote my role. :D That's a pretty happy tone in your post after mislynch, isn't it..? Well, however that may be, more importantly could you share your top scumreads sooner rather than later? You jumped on s0Lstice so easily (basically with only a meta-reason which didn't appear until AFTER you had already voted....) so right now you appear scummier than before I switched from you to s0Lstice. There are still few townish posts in your filter that make me reconsider, but it's not too hard for scum to do towny things once in a while. So do you have anything original, genuine that you want to push tomorrow? Or is it going to be filler posts -> join some bandwagon again? | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:45 Zephirdd wrote: Welp. I don't think geript is mafia. I do think the austin lynch had no mafia on it(Dandel,Xatalos,kitaman,xfire,gonzaw all feel townie to me, xfire less than others but not that much). I think that if austin was town, scum would make sure to hammer him 100% as it would not bring in that much suspicion towards the hammer(it was a wtf-wagon) I think M_Z disappearing conveniently is bad I think Kurumi tunneling sk8r is bad I think austin and BC being afk is bad I think that the way the sk8r wagon worked makes him look bad, but a lot of shit I said about sk8r had a basic assumption which was wrong I think WoS is TOO inactive for his own good, and that he was a much better player on roulette @Xatalos killing an extra town player on day 1 is extremely beneficial for scum because it's one less PR to worry about. Ah, that's a good point too.. Something that increases austinmcc's chances of flipping scum for sure. Bit WIFOM, but I don't see any flaws in coming to that conclusion. Scum might prefer a no-lynch overall, but since if austinmcc were town, he would certainly have blue powers, it would make a lot more sense for scum to get him lynched than in a normal game. He might have some super-powerful blue role after all. The failed bandwagon makes so much more sense if austinmcc is scum and scum abstained from voting, although there's the smaller chance that they judged he would be more useful alive than dead even as town. | ||
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On June 24 2013 23:43 Acrofales wrote: Why'd everybody go quiet? Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems: Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die. HUH? If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw. Next: If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!! More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town). Onwards and upwards! We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART! Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them. Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case. In closing: lets kill Xatalos Haha... What the heck? That came out of nowhere. I hadn't really noticed s0Lstice until Gonzaw made a case on him. That really triggered me to look at his actions, and they were scummy. He had piled dirt on me early on and done absolutely nothing about it. It felt like he had just hoped for it to stick and when it didn't, it was conveniently forgotten. He constantly side-stepped pressure and questions, didn't really participate in any meaningful activity in the thread and was overall a vague and unimpactful poster. All this just screams scum. I'd definitely lynch him again (or yeah, it was a Vig-shot, but same end result anyway) if I went back to the end of D1. How has my stance on WOS been "inconsistent"? It went from weakly scummy to quite scummy and hasn't changed from that. I had a moment of doubt when I started pushing s0Lstice, since there were a couple of townish posts in WOS's filter and he joined me so easily to get s0Lstice lynched. I was pretty convinced s0Lstice was scum, so I didn't think WOS would bus so eagerly and before more significant pressure had yet to form on s0Lstice. So yeah, there was one point in time where I thought that maybe, just maybe he was town after all? There's a clear logic to that though, nothing like how you portray my stance in your case. "Damn inconsistent" ROFL. What? And even funnier is this earlier part "not taking a stance on ANYTHING". You can't be serious right? That fits you much better with your wishy-washy suspicions during D1. Look at my post history if you wonder about my public thought process posts. That's a normal part of my town play. Especially in one newbie game (forgot the name) I had like a 20-page filter full of my thoughts. As scum I'm much more careful and prefer to post neat lists of my stances. Ok, maybe that BC thing is taken a bit out of context. But it's pretty weird that he's so lenient towards austinmcc and so unforgiving towards sk8r when, ultimately, it's about the same thing: confirmation through power usage. I fail to see how sk8r's use of his ability isn't townish at all while austinmcc's ability usage is incredibly townish.. Mind you, WOS *is* in a hurry to start posting. I was just going to post that anyway after seeing his lame response. I'm steadily losing any doubts about him being scum, especially considering his really easy jump on s0Lstice (and the meta-reason he used for that didn't appear until AFTER he had already voted!! - so it was just a justification, not the real reason). I don't think he can change my mind before deadline anyway though, especially since he's apparently not going to post until D2, which is too bad.. For him. | ||
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On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin. Crisis averted. What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:44 Dandel Ion wrote: I can be very persuasive. Lol, apparently. Is your role perhaps "case destroyer"? | ||
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On June 25 2013 01:34 Zephirdd wrote: or rather, do you think WoS, compared to all the other players, is more or less likely to be scum? Huh? I thought I made it pretty clear that he's my #1 read especially since s0Lstice flipped town and WOS jumped on his wagon without reasoning (except some weird meta-reason which appeared on the thread AFTER his vote.. wth?). He should definitely be the priority to push atm. Other than that, austinmcc isn't looking good. Then there's Kurumi, strongandbig... Silent and reasonably suspicious players. Is that what you asked? | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: his he can be very persuasive post? How is that a "i am town" post? Meaning his spontaneous defense of me, leading (in addition to my own response) to Acro running away from his case on me. Maybe it made me biased somehow, but had he acted similarly towards some other player, it would have looked pretty townish as well. At least I know I'm not scum so I can leave out the possibility of scum helping scum. And besides, would scum DI even help his scum mate that openly anyway? No matter how I look at it, it just feels townish. | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, xat. The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this. He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing" He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more. Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Hmm. I hope this doesn't turn into the same page-burying quarrel as yesterday, but I'm still a bit confused about the whole thing. So... You shoot sk8r, he uses some kind of power to defend, you get the bullet back. Sk8r claims it was a fake shot (wth?), but soon admits he nullified it. It really is a confusing situation, but I don't see why would sk8r lie(?) about that as either alignment. It just doesn't make sense. Even less so if he's scum, since it would come back to bite him sooner or later. And what would he even gain really. I don't get why sk8r would lie about something like that. Even less I understand why he would accuse you without basis..? Well, it's pretty clear now that he *has* that defensive role, but certainly, it doesn't mean he's town yet. On the other hand, Crossfire99 "putting his faith" on sk8r and generally sk8r being very vocal and open speak for him being town. | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote: Because my automatic go-to isn't meta. It's a lot of work and I'm a busy man. Your defense was fine. I didn't actually use much of it, but it didn't seem particularly panicked and explained your thought process a bit better. Combine that with what DI pointed out and me checking up on your meta, I decided you are not really the scummiest guy in the thread. You (probably) just have an unfortunate posting style that makes me raaaage. Haha, well. That chain of posts from you still feels weird, even scummy, but it's nothing worth pursuing atm. On the other hand, you mentioned that you weren't wishy-washy during D1. What do you think about someone (DI?) saying that you had no impact during D1? Not sure if I would go that far, but I don't really remember you having much of an impact. Partly explained by you AFKing the most important moments (close to deadline), I guess, but still, I don't think I remember you from anything before that either. Maybe wishy-washy isn't the best word, more like unnoticeable? That makes me worry a bit. | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:30 gonzaw wrote: linkys? People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make. You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it". It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles" If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/ I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8) Speaking of this whole sk8 thing: For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with it This goes to both of you. For instance: sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too) BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him. If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%? Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe): You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town. Why? Because you wrote your own roles. If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them. For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo". It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess). So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect... ...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that Speaking of roles: Dear role creator, Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it? You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least) Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now. So thank you for that... ...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role Thank you, Unsatisfied role customer I could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea I just wanted to vent Heh. I guess my writing style is... High-flown? Far-fetched? Not sure what the correct translation is. Probably has to do with me writing some fiction books, so it's hard to stay on simple and clear sentences (like "you're clearly scum" compared to "all this casts you in a very scummy light"). | ||
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On June 25 2013 03:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So let’s kill WoS tomorrow. I’ve mentioned him several times and finally got around to making a case. WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie. Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation. TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding. It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case. Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro. This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. On June 23 2013 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Explain. Never played with Kurumi as far as I can remember. On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote: This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi? On June 23 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote: kk. I feel like we're missing/haven't heard from half the thread in a while. So much lurk = so much boring. ##Unvote I want to talk with more people I actually know somewhat. Kita, geript, DI? Where yall at? Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet” TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible. This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons. TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up. Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important. Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot… TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread. Similar posts here So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior. Similar posts here here here Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread. Next we have a two post tango. We go from this: To this: What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out, TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS? Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters. Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing. Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny. Now THIS is what I'm talking about. Townie+++ points for Meapak. You didn't mention his shady post-justification for voting s0Lstice (clearly it only occurred to him after he had already voted). Otherwise, everything seems to be in place, much better than I have (or could have, I guess) put it myself. Especially good points about his effortlessly flip-flopping reads and completely sheepish attitude to lynching. I'd say he's almost certainly scum by now. If someone disagrees with him being tomorrow's lynch, I'd like to hear some strong reasons. BC, do you still insist on sk8r..? | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Do I still want sk8r to eat a bullet/lynch? Yes. I know a few others deserving of the same treatment. Okay.. Great. Let's put it this way: is sk8r still your #1 priority right now? What if it was close between WOS/sk8r? And what if it was close between WOS and someone else than sk8r? | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: atm, kita is pretty high on my list. I keep harping on sk8r because he keeps posting his bullshit. -_- Hes likely tied for my #1 read atm Hmm. Kitaman.. Didn't really look at him yet. Next on to-do. But what about WOS? Isn't he up there at all? Or even on the scummy category? | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all I see you've been posting role fluff all night. You mean you'll be confirmed soon..? Hmmm. I don't see scumhunting in your filter and your voting was basically sheepish/effortless close to D1 deadline. Doesn't look too good. I guess I'll hold judgement until daypost though, since you're saying that. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS. @Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now. I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.) | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote: THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. For one, Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote: As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote.Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote: Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air.Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote: ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] + I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote: So how y'all feeling about switching to snb? Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote: So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote: I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia. WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote: /sheep gonzaw Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth. All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role? Ugh. This is maybe the first post where my first reaction was "too long, didn't read". At least you should work on making your text easier to understand. Trying to understand it now.. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have him more or less null at the moment. He has done stuff that looks fucking bad, but hes also done stuff that looks good. If not for Meapaks analysis post right now how many people would put him as a #1 scum read? hes done very little since the lynch and thus you would think if he was this heavily suspected would have been pushed as an option over austin. What about him looks good? There are like 2-3 analytical posts mid-D1 where he looked like he was trying to figure out stuff. Nothing else comes to mind, and there's a TON of scummy stuff he's done so far. In fact I'm baffled how he's getting away from general pressure so easily time and time again with this much speaking for his scumminess. Actually I think he'd be lynched by now if he wasn't scum, since the scum team covering for him would really explain him surviving so well. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote: BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else? Lol... Indeed. Why? There's a good chance that you're killed soon. Why not shoot somebody (sk8r for example if you're so sure of him)..? | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote: I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind. I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime. That's... Well, something less than I expected. Considering that I'm not the only one who said that so far, shouldn't you rather look in the mirror than deny/dodge? And go read that case asap as well. If you're town I want your opinion before deadline hits, just in case. | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: cant use til day 2. Which is why i thought roleblock not just refund Well, that explains it. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote: Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can. Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch. Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point". So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing? I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow. This looks like a solid post IMO. I agree that Crossfire99 killed the momentum, which in turn caused sheeps to retreat as well. And that change of opinion about sk8r feels reasonable. austinmcc, the ball is in your court.. | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:31 Acrofales wrote: Well, the first thing I have to say about the case is that his analysis of the early game WoS is fine. I had similar thoughts, but it derails when he thinks WoS had a scumread on sk8er. The scumread was on me. His post was addressed at me. Only the first line of the post was in response to sk8er. Well, either that, or I read that post wrong at the time and in the reread I just did. So then his case is based upon the giant shift in viewpoint that WoS suddenly defends sk8er... while WoS never had a scumread on sk8er. He was somewhat dubious about sk8er's posting, but I never got the impression he thought sk8er was scum, and at the time I also had the feeling that he was at about the same wavelength as I was in my thoughts about sk8er. Hmm. Actually, I think that's true. That also explains why I didn't "notice" it until Meapak made his case. Well, that's one point down. Although it's pretty worrying that WOS didn't correct that himself. Maybe he's scum and didn't notice it because, well, it's all a fabrication anyway? That's what first came to my mind at least. By the way, I find it odd that you were all over lynching me basically for my "verbal diarrhea" recently (your words..), yet you're very reluctant to lynch WOS despite much, much heavier reasons pointing to him being scum. There's a shadow of doubt in my mind that you two are scumbuddies, although WOS's weird attack on you doesn't really support that. Your reluctant attitude to lynching WOS doesn't seem good though. | ||
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"You have lost your Bear!" Acro... Well, apparently his reluctance to vote for WOS was genuine. I wonder why he was shot if WOS indeed is scum. Or maybe this is also a WIFOM move, hard to say. Someone protected WOS? Wth? | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I knew it when I saw you fishing early, hence why I asked the thread if its more likely to be from a town or scum perspective. My role is dorium maldovar, some headless monk thing. I die but ILL NEVER STOP TALKING Geript care to confirm? What? So you died but you can still tank..? | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:21 austinmcc wrote: ugh. gg acro. Xata, part of my role involves making sure people don't have bears. That PM is related to me. Shame on you for having a bear. That's a bomb or something? Nice.. | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Meapak is mafia Wait a minute. Are you Vig + Detective?? | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd lynch MZ sure. Dem scums always try and mislynch me every game and every game they fail. Are you alive or dead now? What did that daypost even mean? | ||
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That sounds really overpowered. Hmm. Well, we have to lynch A) you or B) Meapak now. I liked Meapak's case on WOS but he's been lurking otherwise. Brb rereading filters. | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:30 geript wrote: He's somewhere in between ......Okay. He can still post despite losing his head. I guess he can't vote anymore? | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote: BC claims he got his bullet back. He shoots Meapak. Meapak red, BC as town as you can get. Meapak not red, BC probably about as lynched as you can get. Just the fact that it easily plays out like that means he's almost certainly not lying. This doesn't actually make me feel good. You're dead, but not dead, can scumhunt, but sticking with "Oh also, I'm not a threat to anyone"? Actually... Why didn't I think of that? BC, please shoot Meapak. That'll spare a lot of work. | ||
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On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote: Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back" Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated. + Show Spoiler + You are Colonel Manton In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted] Your allies are: [Redacted] You have a [Redacted] You win with The Church Your disguise is as follows: --------- You are Rose Tyler! You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking. During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business. In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself. Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power. You win with The Alliance That was really epic by BC. Basically it also confirms BC (and WOS probably, although he's practically dead now anyway). Meapak's red flip should reveal a lot basically, since I highly doubt they expected this turn of events at all. I'm out of time now so I'll just park my vote at austinmcc given his strangely weak/useless play all game and Meapak not wanting to lynch him either. It's hard to think of a better lynch in any case. Thanks BC. ##Vote austinmcc | ||
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On June 25 2013 11:10 gonzaw wrote: Okay, D1 analysis time, I think Zepphird is town after all, based on D1: Almost ONE HOUR before deadline, this was the voting count. But it's "worse" than that, in the sense that I voted Zepphird by that time as well, so Zeph had 5 votes, while sk8 had 6. At this point there were NO OTHER COUNTERWAGONs, Then this happens: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18985299 Zepphird UNVOTES SK8. This puts Zepphird at 5 votes tied with sk8. It is some time later (with no other votes changing), that Dandel initiates the snb counterwagon. Not Meapak, not Zepphird, not any other shifty character (i.e shody scum), but Dandel. Dandel's push of snb was mostly about not killing sk8, not really about Zepphird. So, if Zepphird is scum....wtf are scum doing? Zepph unvotes the main lynch candidate to put him in even more peril? Unless ALL scum were on sk8, no other scum could do anything? Not even Meapak? Zepphird just casually goes along, posting about sk8, then about solstice. Doesn't look like a nervous scum that knows could get wagoned and die in any minute. There is one "weird" thing though, Meapak votes Zepphird when Zeph had 3 votes, then disappears, but comes back exactly 1 hour later after the snb push (not before). If they were scumbuddies, and they were confident Zepphird would NOT get lynched (if they analyzed town sentiment correctly), maybe they just let MZ bus him, but one he gathered votes wait until he loses votes to come again and "push" him. But...are they that "smart" to do that? This is something else that makes me think he may be town. Would scum Zepphird do that "mistake", regarding the guy he's pushing RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE? This seems like a mistake of just not reading correctly things that have happened, but still wanting to post your thoughts on the matter because you are keeping up with the thread. It doesn't seem like a deliberate "plan" from scum to....do something about it (maybe appear more townie by appearing to make dumb mistakes?), specially if he ends that with "this makes me less wanting to lynch sols". I doubt a scum would make such "let's fake some town trait and rush to appear townie" saying he thinks his scum target is less scummy. There are 2 options if he's scum: 1)He thought it was genuine (he really thought sol didn't vote snb): In which case...then what? He, as scum, would honestly believe sol didn't vote snb, and he said out loud, in the thread, he thinks sol is less scum because of it. Half an hour before deadline. If he's scum.....what would he do next? Why would he "flip-flop" like that, which (in his scum eyes') would at best do nothing and at worst put more attention to him (for flip flopping on sol, his scumread), to then end up with a null read on his target? He'd have to push someone else in 30 minutes? Why? Why go through that unnecessary effort to expose himself even more? Doesn't make sense 2)He already knew sol voted snb: This is what I was stating before. If this was a "plan" by scum Zepphird...for what purpose? For nothing basically, since it was done in the rush of a lynch and nobody paid notice to it (until I did just now). If it was in the middle of the day, or with a "blunder" (like actually voting someone and "fucking up", to make us WIFOM, etc), then it'd be a different thing, but here, if it was planned, it makes no sense at all. Look at, for instance, confirmed scum Meapak. He had a clear agenda the whole time before deadline: Push Zepphird and complain to other people in sporadic posts. You can see that agenda every time he posts. There's no such agenda with Zepphird's posts....he's just there...he's just existing in the thread keeping up with it, and making rushed comments like those, which end up being mistakes. So yeah, Zepphird is most likely town, unless someone would like to refute all this and go the "MZ super bussed him knowing he wouldn't get lynched and Zepphird is just cool as hell as scum" route or something. So...one less suspect, that leaves Kurumi, austin, snb, Xfire and maybe geript/kita to me Should be easy finding 3 scum there, right? (although I kind of want to wait for sk8 to see wtf he's going to do) Hmm, I also kind of want to reread Xatalos...just in case (the "anti-Xatalos" guys, solstice and Acro to an extent, are dead, so I want to be sure before he keeps living and he's either scum or we get paranoid as hell later. I invite people to do that as well.) Xatalos, do you have links to previous games of yours please? I already asked before. Yeah, Zephirdd being Meapak's go-to target D1 makes me feel better about Zephirdd. Also, he shot WOS at the start of D2. WOS is most likely town based on Meapak. 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On June 25 2013 20:09 Dandel Ion wrote: btw this where I'm at atm: Process of Elimination yay town: Dandel Ion (derp) Zephirdd xxSK8rGUy277xx Xatalos gonzaw BloodyC0bbler WaveofShadow Kurumi not really town: Crossfire99 geript kitaman27 mafia scum: austinmcc strongandbig Not in any particular order really. How did you arrive at town for Kurumi btw? And why is Crossfire99 not really town while Kurumi is...... Considering that Crossfire99 being scum and sk8r being town doesn't really make sense. Could use some reasoning as well with those reads.. Otherwise basically agreed. | ||
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When it comes to WOS and Zephirdd, the situation is much clearer. Meapak is consistently very willing to kill them both during D1 and N1. I seriously doubt he would be bussing this hard right from the start, so I'll put WOS and Zephirdd as probably town. I'm still troubled about WOS for other reasons, but it's pointless to worry about him anymore, since he's "dead" in any case. I'll just assume that he was probably town after all and that Zephirdd is probably town now. Meapak makes a couple of strange remarks about strongandbig. His "lack of activity is disturbing", but "we shouldn't kill him if he hasn't even shown up". Hmm... This makes strongandbig feel more scummy IMO, although it's definitely nothing major. austinmcc is a different story. When you look at Meapak's actions close to the deadline, it becomes clear that Meapak didn't want to kill austinmcc at any point, although he was happy to kill many other players (WOS/s0Lstice/Zephirdd). This is certainly the most incriminating part about another player coming from Meapak's filter. But if austinmcc and strongandbig are both scum... It really looks like the scumteam isn't doing much of anything so far, with Meapak, austinmcc and strongandbig all lurking to some degree. The likely fourth (or 2 more if one of austinmcc/strongandbig is town) would have to come from geript/Kitaman27/Kurumi most likely. Other than that, everyone else feels reasonably townish atm. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:12 kitaman27 wrote: Guys, Guys. Maybe you all just misunderstand me. When I said "Great performance", I really meant "lol Meapak so obviously scum". Gimme confirmed town status. 100% proof here. Stop grouping me with creeps like Crossfire, geript, and Kurumi. It makes my skin crawl. Maybe you should use that confirmation ability you talked about now Or you know... Scumhunt? Either way works. | ||
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On June 25 2013 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote: Cause crossfire didn't make anyone inventor (even if the invention sucks, he couldn't know that). And.... Didn't do much of anything at all. Since I had krummi in nullzone before that, eh. good enough. Huh... This post went beyond my comprehension. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Krummi made BC inventor Crossfire didn't Crossfire didn't do anything in fact. But I'll make the remaining scumteam kita, austin and snb now. What about Crossfire99 stopping the sk8r bandwagon in its tracks? That felt like a townish thing to do, unless sk8r is scum of course. I agree that he hasn't done much else though..... If anything. Inventor.. You mean that weird picking power? Well, I guess... Hmm. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Beyond Wave -> town, Zeph -> town and austin -> mafia scum I don't think there's too much to take away from MZ's filter. His other interactions are too small and weak. Haha, that was simplified. But maybe it's safer to not analyze it *too* closely for details. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote: something to keep in mind: Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ. Just puttin that one out there. Scum wouldn't know his role before he actually flipped, but otherwise yeah.. Seems like a good reason. Plus he was quite townish anyway. | ||
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On June 26 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: have not read shit, but new info came to my passing about the super (shitty) gun If I use it now, it'll kill someone that used an action on D1/N1 If I don't use it, as soon as D2 ends it'll kill someone that used an action on N1/D2 So, people that did an action on N1 are a constant so that doesn't matter (also there's scum so I guess it's good) So the difference comes in D1/D2 People that used a power on D1: Kurumi (create invention) BC (shoot sk8 guy) sk8 (prevent shot) ??? mystery shooter (shot solstice) Meapak (make me mason buddy with Acro) People that used a power on D2: BC (pulverized MZ) So yeah, I don't want to kill BC alone so I'll shoot RIGHT BEFORE the deadline (so it still counts as D2). Also I have a chance to kill our mystery scum shooter from D1 because fuck him. I wouldn't mind Kurumi dying all things constant I guess, and well sk8 dying is not the end of the world either (serves him right for the role he made me > : ( ) What you say? DAMN. I did use my ability N1... Although it was nullified because WOS "died" soon after, but I'm 99% sure it still counts as an action. In my case it doesn't matter if you use it now or later though. I agree that using it now is better than later, so just use it asap. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote: Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit ) He was pretty townie. Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice. Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!" You could browse through Crossfire99's games but not mine? I'm still typing from my phone and it's not that easy to edit links and such. My first game was Game of Thrones Mafia, then I played a couple of Newbie Mini games... But you should see that from my profile. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:50 gonzaw wrote: ??? Here's what happens when I go to your profile: "No public profile for this user." Also I'm looking at geript now and will look at Kurumi later. After that and looking at you I'll just assume my work here is done because fuck I forgot how exhausting/boring this is >_> What's that supposed to mean..... But anyway, here goes then.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328038 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955[/url] | ||
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On June 26 2013 06:05 geript wrote: ## Challenge Kitaman27 to Mortal Combat. Well, this'll be interesting. | ||
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On June 26 2013 06:14 gonzaw wrote: kita, I don't want to repeat myself, PTP role and character name please You do know you have a chance you die today, right? (maybe a high chance considering lynching confirmed "not town" is the easiest way for any townie to go through the game, and thus confirmed "not town"s are always lynched, ALWAYS (if someone claimed "anti-town" and wasn't lynch at some TL game in the past please refresh my memory)). Or what? You think town will "wisen up" and instantly listen to you or something? Give us all the info and shit, don't hide it, it will only make it look like you are scum fake-claiming and you don't want to give town any more info Survivor isn't necessarily "anti-town" but yeah, it's definitely "not town". Kitaman27 lynch is okay but austinmcc has a higher chance of flipping scum, not just neutral, so I'd prefer that. | ||
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On June 26 2013 06:22 gonzaw wrote: Like, it may seem crazy but I kind of believe kita. He does have breadcrumbs, and well even with all the anti-town shit his play makes more sense as survivor than austin's play as town (or than austin's play as....any alignment basically lol) But like I said, I wouldn't mind him dying in that side-brawl shit, if we can lynch austin or do something else with the real lynch I'd rather kill austinmcc right now (also for the flip confirmation) so we could lynch another scum today (or Kitaman27 maybe). But he can't change his target anymore I guess? | ||
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On June 26 2013 06:25 gonzaw wrote: ... ooooOHHHHH So I get it as D2 ends? Sweet (just figured that out lol) Anyways, got confirmation the gun works by throwing everybody in a bag (without doubling chances and shit) and choosing randomly. Hmm, considering I want to kill austin and our mystery shooter, I think I may choose D1 BC is in both D1 and D2 actions so he doesn't matter (he even has LESS chance to die). I guess sk8 is also there but I don't care at all if he dies, hell might even flip scum or something (considering he's been totally AFK this D2 so far anything's possible) Not sure about Kurumi but well, he already gave me the inventor role so I don't need him anymore So yeah, I think I'll shoot soon. I want some other shit happening so I wont' wait too long (before I go to bed today at the very most) GLHF with that, hopefully you don't hit me. I'm off to sleep now though so I better not be dead when I come back! | ||
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On June 26 2013 14:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If this is true, Sk8 just lied again. Dropping a vote on him until he explains this suitably. Isn't it allowed to use day ability + TARDIS at night after that...? That would make sense. | ||
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With that being said, the situation might be very different tomorrow. sk8r, you'd better start scumhunting ASAP instead of trying to semi-confirm yourself with your role. If this lack of playing townishly keeps up, I'm starting to think that you're either scum or 3rd party. Or an anti-town town, which almost makes me want to lynch you as well. | ||
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On June 26 2013 12:27 gonzaw wrote: Speaking of which nobody gives a shit about this game so I'll just withhold the shot and do it tomorrow. We may have only 2 or so hours to do stuff after it...but well whatyougonnadoboutit? If I use it now and BC drops dead or something then it'd be making the situation worse Now I'll be kept in suspense for a day longer IMO you should have used it earlier to give more time for analysis before the lynch, but if it's 2 hours, that's not too bad either (I guess). At least most players should be online around deadline compared to other times, so it's not that bad. Just use it right when you get back.. (WOS: I don't want to reveal my ability yet, but yes, I can say that I targeted you with it. And your death made the ability lose its effect - confirmed by host.) (Btw if strongandbig apparently gets modkilled today, that's one worry off our shoulders. It'd be a real nightmare to have him at LYLO.) | ||
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Town: Gonzaw Dandel Ion Zephirdd BC Null: geript Crossfire99 Kurumi strongandbig (his filter is too empty to say he's scum with confidence, but I guess we'll find out soon with the modkill - or if he magically comes back to sheep vote, please shoot/lynch) sk8r (has appeared more scummy/anti-town lately and should be considered as well) Survivor Kitaman27 (no real reason not to believe his claim atm, but it doesn't sound good to have him at LYLO to play kingmaker and potentially be scum as well - not against shooting/lynching him) Scum austinmcc (if he's not scum then my brain will explode) | ||
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I also got this PM: You have been asked to participate in a focus group today. Please select one of the following before the end of the day phase: Vigilante Medic Veteran Roleblocker Bus Passenger Thank you for your participation! Most of my townreads are now dead, but Gonzaw/BC, which should I pick? Looks like austinmcc and Kurumi are using some kind of power-sharing to gain towncred? I guess that's fine regardless of their alignment, and certainly more townish than sharing them with scum, but neither of them doing (almost) anything outside of that makes me doubt. It could be just an easy way to gain towncred and survive without scumhunting. Could we also get a votecount please? I'm in the dark about who has how many votes and how much time we have. And how many do we need for lynch? If austinmcc's power-sharing thing makes him worth keeping alive, then so be it, although I think he'd be our best bet for scum lynch. I can't think of any better candidate though and it's getting somewhat desperate with 2 dead suddenly... Although after considering the chance of Kurumi/austinmcc using their ability to easily gain towncred, I came to the conclusion that the same could be said about sk8r/Crossfire99. In fact they've done less than what Kurumi/austinmcc are apparently doing, meaning something clearly beneficial for town. Could someone credible make a quick summary of what all of these 4 have achieved / are supposedly achieving with their powers in the near future? Gonzaw's conspiracy theory with me is pretty funny. It makes me feel he's even more townish though, since that paranoid attitude is just so townish. I should read it again though to find possible flaws. But now I'm going to post this and see what all happened in between starting this and finishing it... | ||
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Why should I trust you exactly? Is there some way to confirm that this is good? | ||
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Original Message From deconduo: You have been asked to participate in a focus group today. Please select one of the following before the end of the day phase: Vigilante Medic Veteran Roleblocker Bus Passenger Thank you for your participation! Done... Fine then. I hope it's not a fraud (although that'd mean austinmcc is 100% scum so I guess it's not too bad). And if this is true then I guess it makes austinmcc a bit more townish - although if I was in austinmcc's shoes as scum I would be doing anything I can to survive as well. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No one but me would want to kill kita at this point I think Haha. Actually I'm 80-90% sure that his claim is genuine. It's just that there's the chance of him being scum after all (and it wouldn't basically be a town loss to lynch him anyway) and he could possibly betray us at LYLO.... Hmm... But since DI and Zephirdd died now, maybe we just have to trust him if we want to win. It feels pretty dumb if it's all resolved based on Kitaman27's decision but so be it guess............. If we can't even afford to lynch him basically. Let's be friends again Kitaman27? | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, no. I like how you try to take credit though. 10 people means 6 was needed. No point waiting I guess because I am eenveenceeble, so Xatalos is scum. Basically listen to Acro's big case on him but I'll add more beginning later tonight if/when I get the chance. If Sk8 flips red I'll be even more sure of it but it's not necessarily exclusionary (pre-flip associations are bad) I just looked at the voting thread and it said 7 votes... How did you arrive at 6 (before that recent update)? Okay then.... | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:49 austinmcc wrote: Dislikes: (1) Afaik, we don't know how DI died. Why do you say it was random chance? (2) Calls me out for not scumhunting, proceedings to say he can't think of a lynch candidate besides me (3) skater and crossfire referenced, but only with relation to their powers, not anything of substance Anyone else get bad vibes off this? 1) I read the last pages very fast and I'm pretty confused what happened. DI died to the slot machine and Zephirdd to some other random thing I guess? 2) LOL what? I've noted several times that Kitaman27 would have been fine as well as strongandbig (although he's modkilled soon apparently) and sk8r based on D2, and maybe Crossfire99 if sk8r flips scum. 3) Hard to substantiate my post with like 5-10min to write it. sk8r and Crossfire99 have also done so little that it's hard to remember what they've even done so far. | ||
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On June 27 2013 06:16 austinmcc wrote: ugh, gg skater and snb ... i guess? PM confirms that, barring no other actor, kita bussed himself with DI. PMs ALSO confirm that TL mafia players are creepy, because I had considered a choose-your-own-adventure power (Gonzaw seems to have made) AND a latvian joke power (also done) Crossfire, what do you know about booby trapping the TARDIS or draining it of energy? What's this supposed to mean? How can you know that kita bussed DI? If true however, it means kita is 100% scum. | ||
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Town: Gonzaw (has scumhunted like a madman) BC (killed a scum) Possible scum: Kurumi austinmcc Crossfire99 Kitaman27 geript Not open to lynching Gonzaw or BC - but now I have to think that any of those other 5 could be scum. Too many clear towns have died and too many nulls are left If austinmcc is right about Kitaman27 and his ability benefits town, I'll have to reconsider my scumread on him. geript hasn't really done ANYTHING townish at all so far... Not a bad lynch. But Kitaman27 is for sure better if he indeed lied. There are apparently no roleblocks (or someone would have claimed so far) so I'm also going to reveal my ability to be used in some good way. It's actually pretty hard to use by myself so maybe this is better. Last night I used Kurumi -> WOS but it was nullified because WOS "died". Not at all sure how I should use it now. You can target any one player once every night. Your target will receive this PM once the day begins: You are now being blackmailed. You must vote for [player name] during the following day. If you do not vote according to this instruction, you will die once the voting closes, but your vote will count regardless of its target. You can use this ability by sending a PM to the host with the following content at any point during a night: [Player 1] is forced to vote for Player 2] | ||
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I also think that one of you three (Gonzaw/BC/DI) will definitely die tonight, probably BC because you have DT, so you can think of this a "vote from the grave" if you want.. Lol. So did Kitaman27 actually kill Dandel Ion? I'm still too confused about what happened yesterday. Also everyone should look at geript, I don't think almost anyone(?) has suspected him as scum so far but his filter is full of sheeping and filler posts (AND nothing townish). I think it's more than worth taking a look at. Did austinmcc fulfill his promise to use that power? | ||
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On June 27 2013 11:32 gonzaw wrote: Hmm...Xfire I don't really trust you right now. Please: 1)Respond to my questions 2)Guys,so what do you think we could "force" Xfire to do, to benefit town the maximum, even if we are not sure about Xfire's alignment (and he could easily be scum)? Basically, "force" him to do something that helps town, and if he doesn't he's confirmed scum, and we can 100% know whether he did it or not. I'm thinking about making him RB kita, but if both are scum kita can fake-claim RB and Xfire can use the busdriver/KP/etc on anyone of his choice Wait Crossfire99 has roleblock? Damn. Maybe I should have used my power in secret after all (in case he's scum). | ||
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So basically: Gonzaw, BC, DI town. Kurumi maybe town. One of austinmcc/Kitaman27 town. That just leaves geript and Crossfire99. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:50 gonzaw wrote: Conspiracy Theory Time! Sk8 Xatalos Xfire austin being town (or 3p) in this case. Sk8 does shit all until deadline and sheeps on the popular vote on a townie (Zepphird or snb). Xatalos goes against solstice Xfire joins the fight against soltice with a ninja-sheep-vote. solstice dies to a shot from another 3P maybe (maybe kita lol) Alternatively, they shoot solstice because their role allows them to somehow, and then they laugh as votes pile onto austin. SK8 and MZ don't vote austin for...some reason? Maybe they were indeed inactive (if the shot was 3P it would make sense, solstice/Zeph is getting misslynched so why the hell bother being at the deadline?) After that austin mislynch ALMOST goes through, but is 1 vote short (saved by superheroe of the day geript maybe? If austin is town then he surely is lol). After that, Xatalos goes on full austin-scum tunnel-mode, doesn't really talk much about other people, specially not sk8 and Xfire from what I remember Xfire does shit all as expected. Sk8 does shit all as expected (but why would they do otherwise? Other than BC nobody really even pressured them enough to do so). Remember this?: Now, why would scum Sk8 not push this idea further and completely forget about it? Oh...wait, 2 out of 5 are part of his scumteam? I guess it DOES make sense for him to not push it further then. Then what happens? + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 23:43 Acrofales wrote: Why'd everybody go quiet? Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems: Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die. HUH? If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw. Next: If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!! More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town). Onwards and upwards! We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART! Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them. Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case. In closing: lets kill Xatalos Oh snap! So what happens next? Oh.....I wonder why? Jumpstart to D2: Xatalos still tunnels austin, is wishy-washy as fuck about kita and sk8, but most importantly sk8 (read that post above in my previous post). Sk8 does shit...oh wait he NINJA-VOTES THE GUY HE THOUGHT SCUM GANGED UP ON. Seems like town sentiment is against austin, he's getting the "noob town" cred so he's free to do whatever he does Sk8 then lies about other shit, gives confusing info about Tardis (all game long. Most of it is right, but he purposefully makes it confusing so he can go posts and posts and posts confusing us more and appear active). He LIES ABOUT MY ROLE BEING NERFED. THE HOST FUCKING CONFIRMED IT (I'll expand on this if I can post my role PM). Here: READ THIS SHIT I THINK ITS DAMNING AS FUCK Xfire continues not doing shit, even going as far as asking random shit like "oh what's going on I'm confused". Veredict: Well, It did start as a conspiracy theory but the more I wrote about it the more I convince myself of it lolol That's most likely confirmation bias either way though, but there's stuff here to really make you think and re-think this lynch. Also, if Xata/Xfire are scum we can try to understand this on N2 as well. To be honest, the one LESS likely to be scum of the trio is Xfire. Maybe you can replace him with snb...but I dunno Xfire seems to "fit" more than snb, but snb should die soon so it's not like it matters (if snb flips town put Xfire back into the trio) austin, you have the tin-foil hat, so you speculate about this shit This should make good discussion shit. Also I a skimmed Xata's scum game in GoT and I guess I can see him playing like that here. No thorough reading though. Have little time to read him properly, will do so after sk8 hopefully dies and after I come back from uni This is your time to shine Town! Show me what you got! Please kill sk8! Unless you want a super-gambit and kill Xata now or something (although I haven't really read his filter properly yet to make a precise read on him) This is mostly based on sk8r flipping scum and austinmcc flipping town -> I'm also scum because of some connections and Crossfire99 as well because he's not doing anything.. But sk8r flipped town and austinmcc is still a question mark so I don't see much value in these speculations. Also how am I playing like in Game of Thrones Mafia...... That's as far from the truth as you can get LOL. My filter was like 3(?) pages there with zero scumhunting. Then look at my filter in this game. But you should rather look at my more recent games. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:06 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh, yeah I have a bus driver ability, but I have not used it and it can only be used at night. Gonzaw can confirm that. Didn't notice this before. Can you confirm this Gonzaw? | ||
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On June 27 2013 20:00 gonzaw wrote: Yes xfire has that ability and alk his abilities can be used only at night.... ....at least the ones he has for now I think he can gain some day abilities tomorrow but i already forgot about them. Ill check them latwr and see if theey are poweeful or not lol Do you think that Kitaman27 and austinmcc could both be scum or do D2's voting patterns - votes spreading only between austinmcc and Kitaman27 for most of the day - plus austinmcc now gunning for Kitaman27 make one of them town? Also, could you comment on my power...? | ||
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I think I gave Vigilante to BC yesterday (if austinmcc didn't lie) so there's a good chance that Kitaman27 is dead before D3. Of course that won't happen if Crossfire99 bus drives him or something... Still, I'm pondering if I should use it against someone else. Nobody else stands out as equally scummy atm though, and a lot can change during D3, so it's hard to say. I'm going to ask how bus driving affects my ability ASAP. Right now it's geript -> Kitaman27. WOS, why am I your top scumread suddenly? Because I pushed for you D1? Need I remind you that Zephirdd even shot you half-dead and he was town. You played far too scummy for you to be reasonably town... Same could be said for austinmcc though and apparently he's helping town now, but anyways, it's stupid to go after nulls if there's scummy right in front of you. | ||
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Is Crossfire99 atm the only one who can bus drive or can Kitaman27 do that still? If Crossfire99 is the only one, I guess we can say he's 100% scum if Kitaman27 gets bus drived and assume he doesn't. | ||
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On June 28 2013 00:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Not sure even he would be that dumb, but crossfire has a history of claiming scum. I'm basically wondering if anyone else than him *could* bus drive atm. Apparently Kitaman27 can't bus drive anymore after giving away the TARDIS? | ||
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WHAT IF geript and Kitaman27 are scumbuddies... And geript shot him, knowing that he would bus drive himself with Dandel Ion, 1) killing a hard-to-lynch townie 2) gaining towncred for geript if/when Kitaman27 flipped red 3) making an easy bus bandwagon on Kitaman27 for scum team to gain towncred with. In this case I can see austinmcc being scum as well. Doesn't this seem like a plausible scenario? At least I don't see any obvious flaws in it. | ||
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On June 28 2013 01:53 gonzaw wrote: Guys, how about you.....like....read filters and analyze previous days? I know I know, it's crazy right? Who would do such a thing? But bear with me, it will all make sense in the end, I'm no crazy mofo. So yeah, this "oh what if some random dude is scum because I just said so?" thing is getting tired, at the very least quote something they did previously or scum reads they pushed, etc. Xata, you are doing this now. You are just playing in the "now" in that sense, you take current discussion and just "flow" with it. I did it previously....but at least I made some effort at SOME points to actually read some filters and analyse some people. Why don't you do the same? Also same thing to other players who seem to be doing the same and just seem lazy. Almost everybody is doing this so these whole pages since I left are basically null because very few people are putting actual effort other than saying "DI and kita scum! Of course!" or "geript and kita scum because they could be!" (granted I didn't read most of the posts though). Also posting from work so this will be my only post today before deadline Xfire, no you already met Roshi in that same exact PM (but whatever not important). Xfire, this is important: Tomorrow, as soon as day starts choose option C. Then when you receive that item, tell us you got it. It is a vote stealing ability, so use it on whoever town wants you to use it, and make him vote whoever town wants you to vote. If kita is alive, steal kita's vote right away. If kita's dead, town should reassess so you can steal a scum vote (therefore, if you are town, and even if we are 5v3 or 4v3 or something, we can still win since scum may have 1 less vote). If you are scum then whatever you'll be stealing a scumbuddies vote so who cares? (and town will force you to vote anyways). So with that I'm gone, stop being lazy. You can try by reading some of the stuff I said about Xfire for instance (both in the "conspiracy theory" post and a previous post I made), or the doubts I have about Xata (same again, conspiracy post and previous post. No, sk8 flipping town doesn't make the whole thing invalid just because, it'd be like saying Acro backtracking his case after you make a generic defense makes his case any less valid, which it doesn't, so I suggest you people also read Acro's case). People should be scumhunting right now, if you don't we'll lose I guarantee you that. Scumhunt you fools! Not saying made completely invalid, but it's stupid to say that sk8r flipping town doesn't reduce your conspiracy theory post's value (a lot of it was based on sk8r flipping scum). Same goes for Acro claiming my "stream of thought" posts seemed scummy and then noticing they were actually like my town meta. That's pretty much the definition of a case "losing its value". My recent weaker filter-reading can be mostly attributed to posting from my phone sporadically instead of the computer. Also many players I thought were scum have flipped town which has made me doubt my scumhunting skills. All I can say for (almost) certain is that you, BC and DI are town(ish). After that there's a pile of nullish / slightly scummy players with each having some redeeming qualities (even Kitaman27's Survivor claim still seems somewhat believable given his breadcrumbing and immersion to the role, but killing DI speaks heavily against that). There's some sentiment to get me lynched so I doubt they would shoot me over someone like BC with DT + pretty much confirmed status. That's why I think it's better to start the heavy analysis after getting these N2 flips and actions. Feels too much like speculation otherwise. I can't get to my computer much tomorrow though but it should be easier&faster to analyze with yet more info. | ||
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On June 28 2013 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote: What? It's definetly possible that he's technically a survivor, but he chose to play against town and for scum. So we need to treat him as scum. Ugh... So if he's actually Survivor, it's basically 5 vs 4. Not a good spot....... | ||
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My scumreads are like this after fast forwarding through the last 10+ pages: geript 100% (claimed scum) Kitaman27 95% (clearly playing for scum) austinmcc 70% (geript "accidentally" didn't hammer him at the end of D1) Crossfire99 50% (hard to say, but at least appears to be furthering town agenda lately, so could be town) I took the Blackmailer role idea from SC2 Mafia (custom game), although somewhat altered. It's originally a "Mafia role" only so... But now alignment-neutral. Brb soonish. | ||
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On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote: I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:59 gonzaw wrote: Another thing Xfire: What night actions exactly do you need to forfeit to use the Tardis? Imagine austin gives me the medic/vig shit...can I use that ability plus the Tardis? I mean, my night action is visiting people to "troll" them or some shit, thus that would be the night action I can't use right? .....speaking of which....how about I visit BC, Dandel, etc with that ability? I mean, we, as town will never "misslynch" them. However, if scum have equal numbers or so, CAN force a misslynch on them. But if that's the case, then if the townie getting misslynched has the "if you get lynched random voter dies", then scum will die 100% (since they force the lynch on super townie). No townie will ever vote them, but scum will, so we have nothing to lose, right? Assuming no weird scum-Tardis bus driver obviously (maybe they drive BC with their 4th buddy, and I end up giving that ability to their buddy) If there are no complaints then tonight I'll use my role for the first time in the game lol Not worth the risk IMO. Scum will probably bus drive geript/Kitaman27 with you/BC/DI, making it reasonably likely (30-50%) that you'll just be protecting one of them. Worst of all, there's no way to know WHO exactly is protected, making it a huge gamble to lynch anyone. And there's no way we'd be lynching you/BC/DI in any case... Unless scum can already brute-force tomorrow and then it'd be over in any case (scum would just lose 1 scum per 2 town at best -> no chance). | ||
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On June 28 2013 08:56 gonzaw wrote: Actually BC still has a DT check for N3. Austin gives me medic again and I prot BC and we can know almost 99% the remaining scum by next cycle. SO yes, maybe it's best for BC to just try to kill scum right now... ....although. BC, you do know your gun can shoot at night as well, right? Please read the fine print. We could lynch one scum now, hope he had the TARDIS, hope the TARDIS gets to a townie, and have BC shoot the remaining one. This might be the best option atm. If we get lucky we can finish both geript and kita by N3. By the way, kita can't have the TARDIS since he already had it initially and he's scum So the TARDIS is in either geript's or remaining scum's hands. We could only really hope geript has it so we lynch him and it's randomly given to someone (if Kurumi dying made the TARDIS be randomly distributed, then so should geript dying do the same) I guess this makes sense. If(?) he can shoot at night, we could possibly get a double-kill of geript+Kitaman27 around the D3 lynch deadline (if geript holds the TARDIS and it gets randomized to a townie). Then it'd be 4 vs 1 already, not a bad spot at all. | ||
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Which one then.. Currently leaning more towards austinmcc. Here are some arguments speaking for austinmcc: 1) geript's filter is basically one big lie, since he's scum. With that in mind, there's no reason to believe that he was telling the truth about misreading the thread in a hurry and accidentally voting for sk8r instead of austinmcc. Now, one more vote would have been needed in addition to geript's to lynch austinmcc. BUT I can certainly see him, as the scum he was, making a panic decision and voting for sk8r, not willing to risk that some hero would show up during the last 10mins to get austinmcc lynched. Normally a no-lynch would be very beneficial for scum, so it *could* also be just setting up a no-lynch to stall town. But if austinmcc was town, geript would also be scared of his potentially imba blue ability and somewhat likely want to kill him regardless. In addition, it would be much safer to just vote for austinmcc and avoid the suspicion raised by doing a stunt like he did there (if austinmcc was town, that is). Conclusion: everything fits best if geript and austinmcc are scum together, but it's possible, although less likely, that geript merely wanted a no-lynch anyway (or he's telling the truth about his colossal failure, which I seriously doubt at this point). 2) austinmcc has played very differently compared to his townie playstyle. When I last played with him, he was a respected "leader" scumhunter, much like Gonzaw currently. This game he has mostly posted filler and setup speculation - very easy and non-draining topics for scum. 3) If geript and Kitaman27 are both scum, the scumteam would probably want one of them to remain as a "hidden scum". This fits with austinmcc being apparently very helpful, buddying and more active/townish lately. 4) Earlier cases and separate arguments by myself and others against austinmcc (see earlier posts). 5) I think I'm going to make a more exhaustive and "actual" case against austinmcc when I have more time and I get back to my computer. | ||
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Sorry for being so AFK for the last 30-40 hours or so. Also sorry for making a not-so-useful role (in comparison to most here - thought it was a good idea initially)... And overall not spending enough time to understand how all these roles worked in this game. Going to follow this game to the end, but probably returning to regular Mafia next (I severely underestimated how different / harder this was). GL town! | ||
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There's one thing that I still don't truly, legitimately understand at all. Crossfire99, you still there? Seeing as you are town, why would you say any of these things: A) host confirmation of roleblocks notifying the roleblocked player (a big lie - just can't be a mistake really, I refuse to believe someone could be so gravely mistaken about the contents of a host PM) B) me lying about this matter (see above: a 100% malicious anti-town lie) C) me being scum since I "lied" (completely untrue, but even if I did lie about that, it would be suicidal and 100% stupid as scum to do ) Not blaming the loss on Crossfire99 (or on BC for buying this stupidity while I was AFK). I just sincerely want to know what went through your mind when you made these completely untrue and anti-town statements. I see absolutely zero logic or reason in all that. Was it a colossal mistake of some kind? "Ends justify the means" type of a lie? Helping scum to win? Or what could possibly be the reason........? | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:02 Crossfire99 wrote: This is what happened. I then thought is was an elaborate ploy to mislynch me and win the game, so that's why I was so gung ho about it. I was pretty sure if we mislynched we lost, so that's why I pushed it so hard. Sorry, looking back now, I obviously wish I took a step back and thought about it more, but I didn't. Aarghhh........ Why..... Sentinellllll........ *SNAP* (Sigh, sorry to blame you then, but deconduo said completely the opposite... I thought for a long time that you must be scum because of that. Apparently we were both victims I guess To avoid such situations, I advice to create an exhaustive and absolute list of rules about the game for all hosts to refer to. That way nothing like this could happen.) | ||
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I did clearly ask in the thread for host confirmation about this mess. What we got were two opposite answers by two different hosts ("no" by deconduo and "yes" by Sentinel). This could all have easily been resolved, and somewhat likely my death avoided, if it had been just made clear in the thread as I requested to begin with. Hosts pls (PS. I would have repeatedly demanded the situation to be resolved in the thread if I hadn't been AFK for that crucial time. Thus, I am also to blame for being AFK, although less than the hosts for contradicting each other IMO.) (PS+. Otherwise good job hosts, but this one failure *might* have caused town to lose. I hope I don't sound too much like geript now, I'm just.... Sad, I guess. Since I wrongly suspected Crossfire99 and he wrongly suspected and pushed me to death.) | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:49 Crossfire99 wrote: The hosts did clarify. It just happened to be after your death unfortunately. Did they (before today I mean)? In any case, after my death is almost the same as not at all..... | ||
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(Still better than dying to BC's Russian roulette though, I guess ) | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:02 kitaman27 wrote: Considering the lack of a second mafia kp, a fourth mafia member, and including several town roles that the mafia had little way to deal with, I think one 1 accidental death is still pretty generous to town :p Hahaha. Maybe. You did get Zephirdd with Gonzaw's anti-town machine, me with a host miscommunication and WOS with a town KP as well though.... Not too bad IMO. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:39 gonzaw wrote: Dumb? No Setting a misslynch on Xfire? Most likely /suicide | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: actually this host bit is what made me shoot you in conjuction to gonza also thinking it made you scum. I had a solidish townread on xfire based on how he was playing and gonza was clear town. It came down to geript, kita and austin. Given that I thought kita was third party and geript was confirmed scum who I thought had tardis I would have a) used a diff ability or shot austin So had the hosts not kinda fubared the situation a bit with their pm's then you'd never have been shot and kitas day shot would have been blocked via ewok whistle, or austin shot. | ||
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In any case, if I ever decide to host a game, there will definitely be a lengthy set of rules to refer to... So that something like this couldn't possibly happen. I bet the difficulty is on a completely new level in a PTP though, but this was about a basic rule, not something any player could decide. It all could have been avoided with reasonable precautions IMO. | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:53 deconduo wrote: This is the role PM I got from sk8: I was thinking of doing a PYP: PTP Allstars game, where the rolelist would be taken from all the good roles in the PTP games. Heh, nice idea IMO. | ||
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On July 04 2013 10:31 Acrofales wrote: Refers to currently ongoing Catch 22 game: cohost (me) didn't read the OP and made a mistake. Nothing major, but mistakes happen regardless of how many documents you make (and the longer they are, the more likely it is that a cohost doesn't read it ) Haha. Well, I'm always a perfectionist, but I agree that it's impossible to avoid every mistake. Still, at least MAJOR (game-changing) mistakes should be minimized somehow. A good start would be to clarify every rule question in the thread, not in PMs, IMO (at least if there's been talk about it in the thread and not solely in a question PM). Most situations were resolved in-thread here as well, but not this for some reason In the end, I'm mostly angry at myself. Clearly BC, Gonzaw and Crossfire99 would have never started pushing me like they did without this "lie" I made. If I had: 1) never mentioned the contradiction by Crossfire99 2) been online for the 24 hours before the shot to defend myself / resolve the misunderstanding in-thread 3) appeared more clearly townish earlier on (catching a scum or even just scumhunting more like Gonzaw) all this would never have happened either... 3 is kind of stupid though, since then Crossfire99 would have just ended up dead instead of me. 1 is.... not sure. 2 is at least a clear ticket to victory if it had really happened. | ||
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