PTP IV - Demon's Run

On June 21 2013 06:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
is your lore character a oneshot poisoner?

On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here.
Let's see:
Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does.
Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet.

Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY

I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say.

Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them.

So, who got my role?

On June 22 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

See I feel like I've unconsciously joined the tryhard camp because I was thinking this exact same thing.

On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
/tryhard pants

##Vote: Acrofales
kita.
kita.
He scum.
Vote fer him.

On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote:
For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense.
No trolling for me I guess.

We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies?

On June 22 2013 17:51 gonzaw wrote:
Well Xatalos, I'm usually all for early-game-banter-heuristics but I don't really find anything useful in today's early-game, other than getting some town reads.

So yeah good luck with other stuff I guess.

No comment on your WoS case.



Oh good, seems you got my role then

On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote:

Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time.
Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that.

On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.

On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:


Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?

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In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.

On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:


This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:

1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)

2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.

An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.

Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.

On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote:
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.

I wrote the role for The Doctor.

On June 22 2013 21:34 Acrofales wrote:


Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum.

On June 22 2013 22:22 Acrofales wrote:


It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us:

1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too)
2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim
3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy.

Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim.

On June 22 2013 11:54 Crossfire99 wrote:
##Pants: WaveofShadow

I'm going to bed now. I'm gone all day tomorrow and doubt that I will be able to post. I should be around Sunday, though.

On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote:
And, if you look at my filter. I am clearly not happy with the way WoS is playing. I even said so in my post about you...

On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote:

He promised contribution on Sunday. It is now Saturday. Also, if Xfire is still as hilariously bad at scum as the last time I played with him, it'll be pretty easy.

On June 23 2013 01:16 Acrofales wrote:

Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him).

On June 23 2013 03:43 s0Lstice wrote:
Xatalos-



To what history are you referring? Kurumi has never started out as 'effortless and careless' as mafia?

I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like:



Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented.

S&B-

This is ridiculous



Cool story, but the town side of that story seems just as likely. I agree with Acro that this is a weak FoS.

Man, so many lurky folks. Kurumi is not reading the thread:



This after Acro explained tirelessly why he likes the claim idea. I could kill Kurumi and feel ok about it.

Skater guy-

You really need to clear up your thoughts on BC more. Why is BC scum? Like, I think I know what you are thinking...but these whole 'I voted to gauge reactions' and 'normal people would see my vote as just trolling' things muddy the waters a lot.

BC-

Looking better with his recent posts. Back to null for me.

That's me being caught up. Gonna go back and dig more to refresh my scum reads.

On June 23 2013 04:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Whoa, wow.
This post is horrible and reeks of bias.

You have absolutely no way of knowing this whatsoever. My role is pretty damn hilarious. What does it mean that I just said that?


I also denied you your role, you know, because you could be scum and giving you an advantage is bad?

You are completely neglecting to take into account town perspectives in your post at all, and it looks as though you're just trying as hard as you can to place BC in a scummy light.

On June 23 2013 22:00 Dandel Ion wrote:

Should I?

On June 23 2013 22:03 Kurumi wrote:

How am I supposed to respond to that? I am playing, I am aggressive and was not really active. Sue me.

If you were Attention Seeker, then yes. Why are you asking Dandel?

On June 23 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:

well i do disagree with details, like the town read on acro.
I also don't think i even need to be copchecked, but as i said
details...

On June 23 2013 22:19 Kurumi wrote:

You mean the sentence aimed at Dandel or at you?
I am not going to defend myself. I just don't care enough to defend myself. I don't have a super-duper overpowered role so I can die, it'd suck, but what can I do. I'd just sigh and say "I played badly, my fault". There is nothing more to say.

On June 23 2013 22:54 Dandel Ion wrote:

You could also just not play badly.


He's posting but he usually does. His posts have no impact tho, imo. I don't see how they make him town.

Anyways, I'll just wait for the patented Acro bus, it's guaranteed to come if he's scum and really easy to tell.

On June 24 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote:

over s0l? yes.

But there are still like 5 people I'd rather lynch over zeph, s0l is not one of them tho.

At this point, I just don't want no no-lynch.
5 people are not even voting, about as many throw away their votes on randoms.
what's a brother to do.

On June 24 2013 01:51 s0Lstice wrote:
I read your defense Xatalos, and I frankly don't care that you care so much about how I'm not sharing every waking thought I have in thread. If it makes that much of a difference for you, I'm gonna wait and see on you. You are here and posting, so if you are scum I don't think it will be difficult. I prioritize the time I have to play the game with, and Zeph is the lynch I want to go with as I was reading through filters. I can deal with other stuff later.

Gonzaw's case was terrible. Don't care about that either atm. I feel dumber having read it.

You seem content to sail off into confirmation bias land though, so enjoy your journey!

The rest of you bubba's, get your vote on. Let's kill Zeph.

On June 23 2013 08:58 Acrofales wrote:

I think s0lstice is probable town. He is contributing sensibly to the thread with things that agree with my own way of reading the thread.

Of course, being sensible is not an automatic town tell, but I don't see anything that screams scum at me.

On June 24 2013 02:44 Kurumi wrote:

9 Votes? why would it be that, we're running classic, so anybody with highest votes dies.

On June 24 2013 02:45 Kurumi wrote:
Oh it really is majority I did not understand decon then o_O

On June 24 2013 02:35 austinmcc wrote:
Phone when I can check it.

Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot.

While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior.

I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify.

On June 24 2013 04:05 kitaman27 wrote:
So here is where I'm at:

I think there are plenty of people that did a good job of looking obviously town on day one. We're in a good position because of that.

Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy.

As for the other people under suspicion...

Between s0Lstice and Zeph, I think s0L is more likely to be scum.

He is willing to call both BC and sk8r town, but doesn't really explain what happened to the roleblocker (unless he is the roleblocker himself). I don't follow his reasoning to come to a both town conclusion based on what he has shared. His vote on Zeph seems like he needs to come up with a lynch candidate and push it, but the reasoning he grabbed on to isn't very strong. He is pushing the Zeph lynch with too much confidence to think he was scum based on the reasoning provided, which is generally what I fall into as scum.

Also, posts like these always seem like they are more likely to come from scum than town:

Between

I still think we should resolve the Sk8r situation first based on my reasoning above.

##Vote Sk8r

On June 24 2013 04:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Well I am L-3 Now. So might as well claim my RP name so the role creator at least will know how I survived.

My role did not have any limitations on activating it at day. I planned on getting attacked and using my ability to mess up a scum kill. I will not reveal the actual role.

I activated my ability to stay alive during the day. My role is NOT a roleblock, which is why I think BC lied or faked the attack.

I am Sally Sparrow.

On June 24 2013 04:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I like this post.

On June 24 2013 04:39 geript wrote:
I did not create Sally Sparrow. I have no clue wtf he's talking about. This shit is getting ridiculous. Sk8tr list your top 3 scum reads and why they're your scum reads. I care about nothing else right now.

On June 24 2013 04:48 gonzaw wrote:
Someone can point to me quick reasons why Sk8 is getting bandwagoned?

On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.

Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked.

On June 24 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote:
what do you think of Austin, xatalos

On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:
ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that.

Ah goddamnit.
+ Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +

I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia.

I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you)

Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.

On June 24 2013 01:35 Xatalos wrote:
s0Lstice...

1) Why haven't you basically mentioned me at all (except dodging the question once when asked directly) after initially throwing dirt on me?

2) Why haven't you responded to my reply to your soft accusation?

3) Why have you pretty much ignored/dodged Gonzaw´s case on you (except downplaying it once in a vague manner) and then conveniently forgotten it?

4) Why did you suddenly bandwagon Zephirdd, an "easy" lurker lynch, despite not even mentioning him before this?

All this makes me feel like you don't even care who gets lynched. Just throw some dirt around, then forget it, then avoid attention, and then jump on an easy bandwagon when the opportunity arises. Frankly, your filter reeks red.

On June 23 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote:
Welp, now I want to kill Zepphird for that post of his.

Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later.

Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy:
(reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=25#487 )

It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town.
I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts.
Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc.

Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well

That kind of post bothers me.

I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now)



You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc)

Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later:

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Here's the thing solstice.
You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything.
You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc)
But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=18#349



This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post.
It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast.

Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this:






...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that.

There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler

Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense:


I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be.
How about this for a response:
1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious
2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it

Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either.

After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between.
Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc.

And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it.
You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either:
-Get them lynched
-Convince people they are scum/suspicious
-Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward
-Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction

Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are.

That's what makes me suspicious of you.

....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest).

Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc.

On June 24 2013 05:13 s0Lstice wrote:
also, xatalos, I answered you. you just didn't like it.

On June 24 2013 05:08 s0Lstice wrote:


how do you feel about his actions surrounding this lynch?

On June 24 2013 05:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I will not switch off of zeph to kill solstice. I'd kill WoS but he's not getting any traction so I'll deal with him another day.

On June 24 2013 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

He's not 80% scum. He's not even 50% at best. Pull your head out, read some filters, and get informed. Also sol's death tells us like nothing lol.

On June 24 2013 05:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
austin is also probably scum just based on how impossible it is to get a wagon on him.

On June 24 2013 05:59 Kurumi wrote:

xfire made role for sk8r

On June 24 2013 06:08 geript wrote:
So we can talk now?

On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much?

I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch.

On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
catching up on this clusterfuck of a thread.

Also, why did sk8 not get lynched? Guy actively was saying shit about how I must have faked a shot when HE ACTIVATED A POWER to save his ass.

The guy has lied enough times now that he should be dead. Anyone saying "well xfire confirmed his role can do that shit" doesn't make sk8 town. Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games.

I will be continuing to catch up on the thread now.

On June 24 2013 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Eh, I probably should cool off and rethink everything.

On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote:
BC, are you around? If so, you want a present or want your choice to get? Time is limited before presents go in the mail, but will ship it along if I don't hear from you.

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NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS

JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME.

If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there.

To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum.

Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work.

On June 24 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am tres sad Solstice wasn't scum. My tryhard pants must have holes in them or something.

Hey Kurumi.
Since you like bluefishing so much, let's talk about roles.
Solstice can come back to the thread anytime he likes, correct? Is there a point in waiting until later in the game to do so?

Also I know who wrote my role.
:D

On June 24 2013 06:45 Zephirdd wrote:
Welp.

I don't think geript is mafia.
I do think the austin lynch had no mafia on it(Dandel,Xatalos,kitaman,xfire,gonzaw all feel townie to me, xfire less than others but not that much).

I think that if austin was town, scum would make sure to hammer him 100% as it would not bring in that much suspicion towards the hammer(it was a wtf-wagon)

I think M_Z disappearing conveniently is bad
I think Kurumi tunneling sk8r is bad
I think austin and BC being afk is bad
I think that the way the sk8r wagon worked makes him look bad, but a lot of shit I said about sk8r had a basic assumption which was wrong
I think WoS is TOO inactive for his own good, and that he was a much better player on roulette

@Xatalos
killing an extra town player on day 1 is extremely beneficial for scum because it's one less PR to worry about.

On June 24 2013 23:43 Acrofales wrote:
Why'd everybody go quiet?

Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems:


Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die.

HUH?

If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw.

Next:

If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!!
More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town).

Onwards and upwards!

We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART!

Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them.

Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case.

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In closing: lets kill Xatalos

On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin.

Crisis averted.

On June 25 2013 02:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
I can be very persuasive.

On June 25 2013 01:34 Zephirdd wrote:
or rather, do you think WoS, compared to all the other players, is more or less likely to be scum?

On June 25 2013 02:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


his he can be very persuasive post? How is that a "i am town" post?

On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.

The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.

He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"

He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.

Kita and Meapak both need to post more.

On June 25 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote:

Because my automatic go-to isn't meta. It's a lot of work and I'm a busy man.

Your defense was fine. I didn't actually use much of it, but it didn't seem particularly panicked and explained your thought process a bit better. Combine that with what DI pointed out and me checking up on your meta, I decided you are not really the scummiest guy in the thread. You (probably) just have an unfortunate posting style that makes me raaaage.

On June 25 2013 03:30 gonzaw wrote:


linkys?

People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass



What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make.

You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it".

It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles"
If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/


I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8)

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Speaking of this whole sk8 thing:
For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with it

This goes to both of you.
For instance:
sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too)
BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him.
If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%?

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Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe):
You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town.
Why? Because you wrote your own roles.
If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them.

For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo".
It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies

I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess).
So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect...

...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that

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Speaking of roles:

Dear role creator,

Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it?
You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least)
Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now.
So thank you for that...

...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role

Thank you,
Unsatisfied role customer

I could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea
I just wanted to vent

On June 25 2013 03:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So let’s kill WoS tomorrow. I’ve mentioned him several times and finally got around to making a case.



WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie.





Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation.

TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding.



It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case.



Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro.



This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro.

+ Show Spoiler +

Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active

TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same



Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet”

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible.



This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons.
TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up.

Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important.



Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot…

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread.
Similar posts here



So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior.

Similar posts here
here
here



Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread.

Next we have a two post tango. We go from this:


To this:



What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out,
TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again



Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS?



Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again



WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters.



Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing.

Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny.

On June 25 2013 04:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Do I still want sk8r to eat a bullet/lynch? Yes. I know a few others deserving of the same treatment.

On June 25 2013 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


atm, kita is pretty high on my list. I keep harping on sk8r because he keeps posting his bullshit. -_- Hes likely tied for my #1 read atm

On June 25 2013 04:33 kitaman27 wrote:


I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all

On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS.

@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now.

On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END

acro, this is some butt right here.


For one, Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.

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Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt.

Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch.

Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler +

While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir.


Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts.

First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler +. He then says he voted for skater because BC town, BC thinks skater mafia, Zephir sheeping.+ Show Spoiler +. Note that the given reasons for Zephir's vote are NOT that skater survived a shot, and all crossfire came in and said was that he knew how skater survived the shot. So crossfire's posts should not have altered Zephir's vote at this point. BC and acro still voting skater. He still didn't scumhunt when zeph wanted to see scumhunting. Crossfire's posts don't address the things Zephir thought were scummy.

Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler +Dandel unvotes skater not because of crossfire, but to avoid a no lynch.

kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler +. He wants to know whether Crossfire is saying skater's own role is responsible for BC's shot being refunded. kita's earlier vote post has skater as scum BECAUSE of the roleblock, so this would actually be crossfire's posts directly addressing kita's reason for voting. But remember, crossfire doesn't know how BC was roleblocked -

****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES****

geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler +AGAIN. SUPER UNHELPFUL. GONZAW WASN'T CONVINCED ON SKATER IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THIS ISN'T REALLY REASONING FOR CHANGING A VOTE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE DUE TO CROSSFIRE.

Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth.

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All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner.

A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL.

Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role?

On June 25 2013 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I have him more or less null at the moment. He has done stuff that looks fucking bad, but hes also done stuff that looks good. If not for Meapaks analysis post right now how many people would put him as a #1 scum read? hes done very little since the lynch and thus you would think if he was this heavily suspected would have been pushed as an option over austin.

On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else?

On June 25 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote:

I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind.

I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime.

On June 25 2013 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


cant use til day 2. Which is why i thought roleblock not just refund

On June 25 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:


Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can.

Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch.

Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point".

So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing?

I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow.

On June 25 2013 05:31 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the first thing I have to say about the case is that his analysis of the early game WoS is fine. I had similar thoughts, but it derails when he thinks WoS had a scumread on sk8er. The scumread was on me. His post was addressed at me. Only the first line of the post was in response to sk8er.

Well, either that, or I read that post wrong at the time and in the reread I just did. So then his case is based upon the giant shift in viewpoint that WoS suddenly defends sk8er... while WoS never had a scumread on sk8er. He was somewhat dubious about sk8er's posting, but I never got the impression he thought sk8er was scum, and at the time I also had the feeling that he was at about the same wavelength as I was in my thoughts about sk8er.

On June 25 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I knew it when I saw you fishing early, hence why I asked the thread if its more likely to be from a town or scum perspective.

My role is dorium maldovar, some headless monk thing.
I die but ILL NEVER STOP TALKING

Geript care to confirm?

On June 25 2013 06:21 austinmcc wrote:
ugh. gg acro.

Xata, part of my role involves making sure people don't have bears. That PM is related to me. Shame on you for having a bear.

On June 25 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'd lynch MZ sure.
Dem scums always try and mislynch me every game and every game they fail.

On June 25 2013 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


yes =)

On June 25 2013 06:30 geript wrote:
He's somewhere in between

On June 25 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote:
BC claims he got his bullet back. He shoots Meapak. Meapak red, BC as town as you can get. Meapak not red, BC probably about as lynched as you can get.

Just the fact that it easily plays out like that means he's almost certainly not lying.

This doesn't actually make me feel good. You're dead, but not dead, can scumhunt, but sticking with "Oh also, I'm not a threat to anyone"?

On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote:
Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back"

Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 25 2013 11:10 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, D1 analysis time, I think Zepphird is town after all, based on D1:




Almost ONE HOUR before deadline, this was the voting count.
But it's "worse" than that, in the sense that I voted Zepphird by that time as well, so Zeph had 5 votes, while sk8 had 6.

At this point there were NO OTHER COUNTERWAGONs,
Then this happens:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18985299
Zepphird UNVOTES SK8.
This puts Zepphird at 5 votes tied with sk8.
It is some time later (with no other votes changing), that Dandel initiates the snb counterwagon.
Not Meapak, not Zepphird, not any other shifty character (i.e shody scum), but Dandel.
Dandel's push of snb was mostly about not killing sk8, not really about Zepphird.

So, if Zepphird is scum....wtf are scum doing? Zepph unvotes the main lynch candidate to put him in even more peril? Unless ALL scum were on sk8, no other scum could do anything? Not even Meapak?
Zepphird just casually goes along, posting about sk8, then about solstice. Doesn't look like a nervous scum that knows could get wagoned and die in any minute.


There is one "weird" thing though, Meapak votes Zepphird when Zeph had 3 votes, then disappears, but comes back exactly 1 hour later after the snb push (not before). If they were scumbuddies, and they were confident Zepphird would NOT get lynched (if they analyzed town sentiment correctly), maybe they just let MZ bus him, but one he gathered votes wait until he loses votes to come again and "push" him.
But...are they that "smart" to do that?






This is something else that makes me think he may be town.
Would scum Zepphird do that "mistake", regarding the guy he's pushing RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE?
This seems like a mistake of just not reading correctly things that have happened, but still wanting to post your thoughts on the matter because you are keeping up with the thread.
It doesn't seem like a deliberate "plan" from scum to....do something about it (maybe appear more townie by appearing to make dumb mistakes?), specially if he ends that with "this makes me less wanting to lynch sols".
I doubt a scum would make such "let's fake some town trait and rush to appear townie" saying he thinks his scum target is less scummy.
There are 2 options if he's scum:
1)He thought it was genuine (he really thought sol didn't vote snb):
In which case...then what? He, as scum, would honestly believe sol didn't vote snb, and he said out loud, in the thread, he thinks sol is less scum because of it. Half an hour before deadline. If he's scum.....what would he do next? Why would he "flip-flop" like that, which (in his scum eyes') would at best do nothing and at worst put more attention to him (for flip flopping on sol, his scumread), to then end up with a null read on his target? He'd have to push someone else in 30 minutes? Why? Why go through that unnecessary effort to expose himself even more? Doesn't make sense
2)He already knew sol voted snb:
This is what I was stating before. If this was a "plan" by scum Zepphird...for what purpose? For nothing basically, since it was done in the rush of a lynch and nobody paid notice to it (until I did just now).
If it was in the middle of the day, or with a "blunder" (like actually voting someone and "fucking up", to make us WIFOM, etc), then it'd be a different thing, but here, if it was planned, it makes no sense at all.
Look at, for instance, confirmed scum Meapak. He had a clear agenda the whole time before deadline: Push Zepphird and complain to other people in sporadic posts.
You can see that agenda every time he posts.
There's no such agenda with Zepphird's posts....he's just there...he's just existing in the thread keeping up with it, and making rushed comments like those, which end up being mistakes.

So yeah, Zepphird is most likely town, unless someone would like to refute all this and go the "MZ super bussed him knowing he wouldn't get lynched and Zepphird is just cool as hell as scum" route or something.

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So...one less suspect, that leaves Kurumi, austin, snb, Xfire and maybe geript/kita to me
Should be easy finding 3 scum there, right? (although I kind of want to wait for sk8 to see wtf he's going to do)

Hmm, I also kind of want to reread Xatalos...just in case (the "anti-Xatalos" guys, solstice and Acro to an extent, are dead, so I want to be sure before he keeps living and he's either scum or we get paranoid as hell later. I invite people to do that as well.)

Xatalos, do you have links to previous games of yours please? I already asked before.

On June 25 2013 20:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw this where I'm at atm:
Process of Elimination yay

town:
Dandel Ion (derp)
Zephirdd
xxSK8rGUy277xx
Xatalos
gonzaw
BloodyC0bbler
WaveofShadow
Kurumi

not really town:
Crossfire99
geript
kitaman27

mafia scum:
austinmcc
strongandbig

Not in any particular order really.

On June 25 2013 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:


Guys, Guys. Maybe you all just misunderstand me. When I said "Great performance", I really meant "lol Meapak so obviously scum". Gimme confirmed town status. 100% proof here. Stop grouping me with creeps like Crossfire, geript, and Kurumi. It makes my skin crawl.

On June 25 2013 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Cause crossfire didn't make anyone inventor (even if the invention sucks, he couldn't know that).
And.... Didn't do much of anything at all.

Since I had krummi in nullzone before that, eh. good enough.

On June 25 2013 22:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
Krummi made BC inventor
Crossfire didn't
Crossfire didn't do anything in fact.

But I'll make the remaining scumteam kita, austin and snb now.

On June 25 2013 22:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
Beyond Wave -> town, Zeph -> town and austin -> mafia scum I don't think there's too much to take away from MZ's filter.
His other interactions are too small and weak.

On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
something to keep in mind:
Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ.
Just puttin that one out there.

On June 26 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote:
have not read shit, but new info came to my passing about the super (shitty) gun

If I use it now, it'll kill someone that used an action on D1/N1
If I don't use it, as soon as D2 ends it'll kill someone that used an action on N1/D2

So, people that did an action on N1 are a constant so that doesn't matter (also there's scum so I guess it's good)
So the difference comes in D1/D2

People that used a power on D1:
Kurumi (create invention)
BC (shoot sk8 guy)
sk8 (prevent shot)
??? mystery shooter (shot solstice)
Meapak (make me mason buddy with Acro)

People that used a power on D2:
BC (pulverized MZ)

So yeah, I don't want to kill BC alone so I'll shoot RIGHT BEFORE the deadline (so it still counts as D2). Also I have a chance to kill our mystery scum shooter from D1 because fuck him.
I wouldn't mind Kurumi dying all things constant I guess, and well sk8 dying is not the end of the world either (serves him right for the role he made me > : ( )

What you say?

On June 26 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote:


Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit )

He was pretty townie.
Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice.
Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!"

On June 26 2013 05:50 gonzaw wrote:


???

Here's what happens when I go to your profile:
"No public profile for this user."

Also I'm looking at geript now and will look at Kurumi later.
After that and looking at you I'll just assume my work here is done because fuck I forgot how exhausting/boring this is >_>

On June 26 2013 06:14 gonzaw wrote:
kita, I don't want to repeat myself, PTP role and character name please

You do know you have a chance you die today, right? (maybe a high chance considering lynching confirmed "not town" is the easiest way for any townie to go through the game, and thus confirmed "not town"s are always lynched, ALWAYS (if someone claimed "anti-town" and wasn't lynch at some TL game in the past please refresh my memory)).

Or what? You think town will "wisen up" and instantly listen to you or something?

Give us all the info and shit, don't hide it, it will only make it look like you are scum fake-claiming and you don't want to give town any more info

On June 26 2013 06:22 gonzaw wrote:
Like, it may seem crazy but I kind of believe kita.
He does have breadcrumbs, and well even with all the anti-town shit his play makes more sense as survivor than austin's play as town (or than austin's play as....any alignment basically lol)

But like I said, I wouldn't mind him dying in that side-brawl shit, if we can lynch austin or do something else with the real lynch

On June 26 2013 06:25 gonzaw wrote:


...

ooooOHHHHH
So I get it as D2 ends?
Sweet (just figured that out lol)

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Anyways, got confirmation the gun works by throwing everybody in a bag (without doubling chances and shit) and choosing randomly.

Hmm, considering I want to kill austin and our mystery shooter, I think I may choose D1
BC is in both D1 and D2 actions so he doesn't matter (he even has LESS chance to die). I guess sk8 is also there but I don't care at all if he dies, hell might even flip scum or something (considering he's been totally AFK this D2 so far anything's possible)
Not sure about Kurumi but well, he already gave me the inventor role so I don't need him anymore

So yeah, I think I'll shoot soon. I want some other shit happening so I wont' wait too long (before I go to bed today at the very most)

On June 26 2013 14:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



If this is true, Sk8 just lied again.

Dropping a vote on him until he explains this suitably.

On June 26 2013 12:27 gonzaw wrote:
Speaking of which nobody gives a shit about this game so I'll just withhold the shot and do it tomorrow.
We may have only 2 or so hours to do stuff after it...but well whatyougonnadoboutit?

If I use it now and BC drops dead or something then it'd be making the situation worse

On June 27 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


No one but me would want to kill kita at this point I think

On June 27 2013 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah, no.
I like how you try to take credit though.
10 people means 6 was needed.

No point waiting I guess because I am eenveenceeble, so
Xatalos is scum.
Basically listen to Acro's big case on him but I'll add more beginning later tonight if/when I get the chance.
If Sk8 flips red I'll be even more sure of it but it's not necessarily exclusionary (pre-flip associations are bad)

On June 27 2013 05:49 austinmcc wrote:
Dislikes:

(1) Afaik, we don't know how DI died. Why do you say it was random chance?
(2) Calls me out for not scumhunting, proceedings to say he can't think of a lynch candidate besides me
(3) skater and crossfire referenced, but only with relation to their powers, not anything of substance

Anyone else get bad vibes off this?

On June 27 2013 06:16 austinmcc wrote:
ugh, gg skater and snb ... i guess?

PM confirms that, barring no other actor, kita bussed himself with DI.

PMs ALSO confirm that TL mafia players are creepy, because I had considered a choose-your-own-adventure power (Gonzaw seems to have made) AND a latvian joke power (also done)

Crossfire, what do you know about booby trapping the TARDIS or draining it of energy?