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Well, it's either true or a scumbuddy of his made his role.
If it's the 2nd one, then his scumbuddy CANT claim he made austin's role, so whose role does his scumbuddy claim he made?
There are 4 options:
1)Another player:
Then the guy that REALLY made that guy's role will cc and he's toast
2)Another player, but someone another scumbuddy of his made the role of:
Then the same process is repeated with the other scumbuddy, who has no character to claim he made the role of
3)Himself:
Because you are going to believe 2 people saying "I made my own role!", instead of one of them saying he made austin's?
4)The player austin made the role of:
In this case, austin makes the role of player X, but claims he made his own. In fact a scumbuddy made his role, and now the scumbuddy claims he made player X's role.
If so....for what purpose? This doesn't make any sense other than convince people "there's little chance austin made his own role! He scum!".
Unless there is a convincing reason (4) could have happened, then it's most likely true, regardless of his alignment (or maybe he is scum with BC and they did (3) lol)
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On June 24 2013 10:17 gonzaw wrote:But I had no say in that scumteam  I tried my best not to kill you ;_; ...the silver lining is that we won at least lol Well, not really trying to "lynch" you, but if I had to decide in the span of 2 minutes which player in the game to lynch, also taking into account town sentiment...then yeah you were a good choice. ....hmm....considering snb wasn't replaced someone could vig him tonight or something. I have been part of "lynch someone so we did something" trains, but never from this side.
It's a ... much different feeling, but I know not all the votes are for that.
Especially the "austin usually x, hasn't x this game, therefore scum" votes that I think were there. Need to reread, but that's one thing I'm digging into. More worried about people with half-assed reasons like that than people just jumping on the lynch-for-info-mobile.
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I mean, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not, tbh. I'm taking actions, and you can poll everyone to see if anyone made a role that does x. Nobody will speak up, or if someone does, hooray! free mafia.
Besides, I don't think anyone else would be so dumb as to create some of this stuff.
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Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire?
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On June 24 2013 10:24 gonzaw wrote:
Well, it's either true or a scumbuddy of his made his role.
If it's the 2nd one, then his scumbuddy CANT claim he made austin's role, so whose role does his scumbuddy claim he made?
There are 4 options:
1)Another player:
Then the guy that REALLY made that guy's role will cc and he's toast
2)Another player, but someone another scumbuddy of his made the role of:
Then the same process is repeated with the other scumbuddy, who has no character to claim he made the role of
3)Himself:
Because you are going to believe 2 people saying "I made my own role!", instead of one of them saying he made austin's?
4)The player austin made the role of:
In this case, austin makes the role of player X, but claims he made his own. In fact a scumbuddy made his role, and now the scumbuddy claims he made player X's role.
If so....for what purpose? This doesn't make any sense other than convince people "there's little chance austin made his own role! He scum!".
Unless there is a convincing reason (4) could have happened, then it's most likely true, regardless of his alignment (or maybe he is scum with BC and they did (3) lol)
Except the problem here is nobody is claiming roles yet so none of the above can be proven one way or another.
Until that happens I find it honestly ridiculous that we are to believe that 2 players in a game of 16 somehow managed to land their own roles.
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It will be known at some point, unless scum have a super duper plan to kill the actual guy that created their roles.
Also it serves no purpose other than to MAKE THEM MORE SUSPICIOUS (like you are doing right now).
.....just live and let live, ignore that claim unless evidence is presented otherwise, which if is false will be soon enough most likely
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On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow.
Colorful entry into game. Multicolor turtle tap --> ## pants. Unless either of those DID anything, it shows a fun-having, easy-going crossfire.
Townie on skates mcgee. BUT FOR MUSHY MUSHY MUSHINESS. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. BOO. BOO ON THIS HARD. I think skates mcgee is town, because of...what he did in the past and the present. I won't specify ANYTHING at all. BOO.
If there were a key piece of skates's role that makes crossfire certain he's town, then crossfire could say later when it comes out he made the role that skates likely town b/c of role. He responds to Zeph noting that role =/= alignment here by saying Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now.
Still slightly butt. It's a lot of words that say...I don't know what. He will keep Zephir's comments in mind, indicating that Skates role is not 100% to show alignment, but is pretty sure of townieness based on (1) what his role is; (2) how he's acted; (3) what he has done. That doesn't really say anything, and not just because Crossfire is being coy about the role he created. If it were just role-talk, it could be coy, but Crossfire isn't really giving any detail about his read PERIOD. Before, it was past and present actions the end.
Jumps on me to prevent no-lynch. Null for me.
Reads doc role, messes up the mason bit.
Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. The skater read, which is what a lot of cross's posts concern, is smoke and mirrors at this point. I know pre-game excitement into quiet time can sometimes be a bad sign, but...I don't think the colors/pants --> not much really works the same way. Goofy into serious, but the beginning of this game was slightly goofy and it's gotten more serious, so that's not really a tell. Still, based on the justification that isn't a justification for his Crossfire read, I'm leaning scum.
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I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
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austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him.
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I feel like I should do something but what.
WHAT
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On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
I'm just a little worried about his actions right before the lynch.
Instantly sheeps solstice and is 100% sure about his lynch (unlike others who were also considering snb, or Zepphird, etc).
Gave little reason for it and felt too "quick". Then sheeps onto austin without really saying much about him (although that was quick I assume so maybe he didn't have too much time to think about it).
I'm open to suggestions about his behaviour, etc
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I said the kill was 3rd party based on solstice claiming he was The Doctor. Sure, scum could shoot him as much as 3rd party, but I like the 3rd party more because it sounds cooler.
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catching up on this clusterfuck of a thread.
Also, why did sk8 not get lynched? Guy actively was saying shit about how I must have faked a shot when HE ACTIVATED A POWER to save his ass.
The guy has lied enough times now that he should be dead. Anyone saying "well xfire confirmed his role can do that shit" doesn't make sk8 town. Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games.
I will be continuing to catch up on the thread now.
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On June 24 2013 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:13 gonzaw wrote:If I was scum I'd like to know who got my role to NOT shoot him at night and let him live until end-game or something  (unless there's a party-pooper marv in my scumteam >_> ), so if a scum made your role...congrats you are going to live for a long time First you let your buddies shoot me in the game. Now you try to lynch me in THIS game, where I get my own friggin' role. Marv isn't here this time either. So...it's you or kita. You guys are the PTP fun police. Really. Are we going to believe him now too? Remember people, 6% chance. So we're talking MASSIVE chances that BC is lying about him having gotten his own role, and now austin too. I guess I shoud actually start reading austin.
Why? Likely decon had us make roles then random # generates roles to people. Sures theres a shitty chance of getting it, it also means that the game is balanced to prevent a mass claim strat.
How about instead of FoS someone because they got a role they made, you FoS for behaviour.
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Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_-
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On June 24 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_-
Will your gift blow up or save lives?
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On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
catching up on this clusterfuck of a thread.
Also, why did sk8 not get lynched? Guy actively was saying shit about how I must have faked a shot when HE ACTIVATED A POWER to save his ass.
The guy has lied enough times now that he should be dead. Anyone saying "well xfire confirmed his role can do that shit" doesn't make sk8 town. Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games.
I will be continuing to catch up on the thread now.
I think it was because sk8r thought you had claimed to be roleblocked, while in fact you had only claimed to have your bullet refunded? It's just a misunderstanding from what I see. Can you point to where sk8r has been lying? Because if sk8r is scum, then Crossfire99 is most likely scum too, and I'm leaning town on both of them. Not to mention that if they're both scum, I highly doubt they would have pulled a risky move like this.
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On June 24 2013 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Eh, I probably should cool off and rethink everything.
Could you please share your thoughts before deadline? Not sure if you're scum/town atm, and it'd be in your own best interest to make me think you're town during this time..
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On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote:
BC, are you around? If so, you want a present or want your choice to get? Time is limited before presents go in the mail, but will ship it along if I don't hear from you.
NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS
JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME.
If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there.
To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum.
Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work.
I agree that I've never seen you this absent before. That's not all though. I associate a heavy townish atmosphere with your name (from earlier memories), and I haven't got such a feeling from any of your posts so far. I don't think you were all that active before either, but you looked townish (analytical/helpful/insightful) with your posts. Where's that in this game? Please start playing like town if you actually ARE town. Otherwise your life expectancy isn't looking too good.
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