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On June 27 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote:
HEY HEY HEY. If you haven't yet sent in answers (or can change):
Kurumi please choose MEDIC.
WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE.
BC please choose BC
Gonzaw please choose GONZAW.
That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best.
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On June 27 2013 05:30 Xatalos wrote:
Just came back and read through the latest pages fast. The first thing that came to my mind is that please, please don't make random abilities anymore. Dandel Ion (I don't think anyone thought he was scum?) and Zephirdd (almost confirmed as town by Meapak) died because of random chance (not sure why exactly Zephirdd died though) basically....... Not something I want to see in a game of Mafia.
I also got this PM:
You have been asked to participate in a focus group today. Please select one of the following before the end of the day phase:
Vigilante
Medic
Veteran
Roleblocker
Bus Passenger
Thank you for your participation!
Most of my townreads are now dead, but Gonzaw/BC, which should I pick?
Looks like austinmcc and Kurumi are using some kind of power-sharing to gain towncred? I guess that's fine regardless of their alignment, and certainly more townish than sharing them with scum, but neither of them doing (almost) anything outside of that makes me doubt. It could be just an easy way to gain towncred and survive without scumhunting.
Could we also get a votecount please? I'm in the dark about who has how many votes and how much time we have. And how many do we need for lynch? If austinmcc's power-sharing thing makes him worth keeping alive, then so be it, although I think he'd be our best bet for scum lynch. I can't think of any better candidate though and it's getting somewhat desperate with 2 dead suddenly...
Although after considering the chance of Kurumi/austinmcc using their ability to easily gain towncred, I came to the conclusion that the same could be said about sk8r/Crossfire99. In fact they've done less than what Kurumi/austinmcc are apparently doing, meaning something clearly beneficial for town. Could someone credible make a quick summary of what all of these 4 have achieved / are supposedly achieving with their powers in the near future?
Gonzaw's conspiracy theory with me is pretty funny. It makes me feel he's even more townish though, since that paranoid attitude is just so townish. I should read it again though to find possible flaws. But now I'm going to post this and see what all happened in between starting this and finishing it... Dislikes:
(1) Afaik, we don't know how DI died. Why do you say it was random chance?
(2) Calls me out for not scumhunting, proceedings to say he can't think of a lynch candidate besides me
(3) skater and crossfire referenced, but only with relation to their powers, not anything of substance
Anyone else get bad vibes off this?
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I'm still happy to kill kita but DON'T think his claim is genuine.
Something is still really wrong with this whole TARDIS bit, and really wrong with him just needing to touch the TARDIS one time and then he's pure survivor.
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Crossfire,
You said you created skater's role and the TARDIS thing, right?
If geript has an ability that basically says "Deal 1 KP to kita" and kita uses the TARDIS, is there a use that saves kita? If so, does that use somehow kill someone else, redirect any damage done to kita, etc.?
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On June 27 2013 05:58 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
Crossfire,
You said you created skater's role and the TARDIS thing, right?
If geript has an ability that basically says "Deal 1 KP to kita" and kita uses the TARDIS, is there a use that saves kita? If so, does that use somehow kill someone else, redirect any damage done to kita, etc.? He can choose to use the TARDIS to medic himself or bus drive himself with someone else in that instance. I also talked about that here. Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 04:51 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 27 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 27 2013 04:45 geript wrote:
Please tell us wtf it does. Did it protect Kita from getting shot? He says he didn't use anything but couldn't he have 'bus-driven' or whatever DI and kita? That's what I'm thinking he did. He could have protected himself or bus driven himself with someone else. I don't know why he wouldn't just protect himself unless he's scum, but that would be too obvious because we know he has the TARDIS, and he told us what it did. Hmmmm. Now I'm thinking kita might have been set up unless he just went crazy and did something stupid as scum. I thought that was with reference to you bus driving them using your power that Gonzaw created.
So unless another actor was involved here and killed DI, kita bus drove himself with DI and swapped geript's kill from himself to DI?
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On June 27 2013 06:07 Kurumi wrote:
where is my secret anal machine Guaranteed to be a role in PTP5
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ugh, gg skater and snb ... i guess?
PM confirms that, barring no other actor, kita bussed himself with DI.
PMs ALSO confirm that TL mafia players are creepy, because I had considered a choose-your-own-adventure power (Gonzaw seems to have made) AND a latvian joke power (also done)
Crossfire, what do you know about booby trapping the TARDIS or draining it of energy?
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On June 27 2013 06:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:16 austinmcc wrote:
ugh, gg skater and snb ... i guess?
PM confirms that, barring no other actor, kita bussed himself with DI.
PMs ALSO confirm that TL mafia players are creepy, because I had considered a choose-your-own-adventure power (Gonzaw seems to have made) AND a latvian joke power (also done)
Crossfire, what do you know about booby trapping the TARDIS or draining it of energy? What's this supposed to mean? How can you know that kita bussed DI? If true however, it means kita is 100% scum. geript said he targeted Kita for some one-on-one combat thing
as I understand it, kita made geript's role
people got PMs asking them to vote for one of the two
kita did not die
DI died, and his death flavor mentioned the geript/kita thing
SO EITHER:
geript is lying and just killed DI or
kita used the TARDIS to bus himself and kill DI or
unknown actor did a thing
geript's use of the ability of semi-confirmed by the voters, who said they got PM. UNLESS geript and kita are working together, geript's use of the ability is also confirmed more or less by kita, who made geript's role and didn't say "That's not how it works!" So the first option is really farfetched
kita passed the TARDIS to kurumi and is not dead. In using the TARDIS, he either (1) medic-ed himself (explains him not dying, does not explain DI dying) OR (2) bussed himself (either with DI, explaining everything, or with someone else and a random third party screwed everything up)
Out of those options, the most explain-y is that Kita bussed himself with DI. It means geript's role worked as he said, kita survived because he used the TARDIS, and DI died due to the bussing, explaining somewhat his kill flavor
It's not 100%, yeah. But it fits quite well. Moreover, kita popped in to say he was passing the TARDIS to kurumi. He said nothing about DI dying. You would think that if kita just medicced himself, he'd go "AMG GAIZ HOW DID DI DIE?"
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Corollary to that: If kita bussed himself with DI, then either DI was poking at something other people were missing OR ... I don't really know.
Nothing else makes much sense. kita can only choose to bus with a voter? no sense, skater's pm didn't limit bussing like that. the bus is random? skater's pm didn't limit bussing like that. kita's role imposes some limit that all his actions are random? we're all horribly horribly wrong and kita didn't want to kill the towniest townies because they aren't townie? If it's the last one, we're boned anyhow, so it should be something else.
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Gonzaw, a gun that only fires if pointed at scum, listcheck, parity check, a beacon you can drop in the OP on a player that beeps if there is scum nearby in the player list, second TARDIS/TARDIS repair kit, refresher for someone's abilities ... SO MANY OPTIONS. Dont' be complaining that anything town-favored is boring, that's bs, and you finally get to be a frigging inventor.
kita's reasons behind his bus on DI make no sense to me. If he were a survivor, he should have been trying to kill mafia. If he busses and kills mafia, he gets on town's good side, he's unlikely to be an immediate lynch candidate, and it brings him closer to endgame (quicker for him to kill mafia than town).
He thought I was mafia yesterday, but didn't use his bus on me. He used it on DI, but it's unclear what kita thought about DI:I eliminated a player that brought no value to town and seems to have a personal vendetta against myself. However, even if you cut the head off a cockroach, it will still run around aimlessly for a while. Dandel is the type of player that would rather see myself lynched over all else, even if it resulted in a mafia victory. Do I even need to remind you guys that his town flip was fake? His big post says Dandel brought no value to town and was gonna tunnel kita even if it resulted in mafia victory. Those statements indicate he thinks dandel is town.
But he also says DI's flip was fake, and On June 27 2013 22:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
If he really wanted to work with us as 3P then he could have ensured his own survival by, ya know, NOT KILLING ONE OF US.
Not my fault you masked the alignment and revived my scum snipe. That's your problem.
Those sentences don't go together. DI wasn't helping town and was gonna tunnel kita, but also was scum. Moreover, he thought I was scum yesterday, seems to still think I'm scum, and chose to fire at DI over me.
If he's worried about being tunneled by DI, you know what helps get DI off your back? Shooting your scumread. He thinks I'm scum, so why didn't he bus me, expect to flip scum, knowing that once he did that DI would be happy with him and stop tunnelling, at least for a bit? Because he's not a survivor.
Tinfoil hat time, with relation to the above.
kita and DI scumteam.
kita knows DI will rez, AND that he gets to choose what he flips as. kita shoots DI, DI chooses to flip with a town PM. DI resurrects, and they go at each other hard. kita knows that he's about to get killed, by shot or by lynch, and if scum doesn't have anyone in a position above reproach, this lets them maneuver DI into that spot. kita shoots DI, DI flips town, kita and DI go at each other, kita dies, poof. DI has already flipped town AND had a spat with kita. He now looks SUPER TOWN when kita dies.
Does not seem as likely as ... regular options, unless drazerk is smurfing as one of the two. If DI were mafia, may as well wait as long as possible to die, still flip town, still look town, even without the extra push from kita.
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kurumi,
do you know what the TARDIS being drained of energy means? Can you use it this cycle? Multiple players have mentioned you bussing folks tonight, but I took the out of energy thing to mean that you couldn't protect yourself or bus.
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anyone,
On June 26 2013 07:38 kitaman27 wrote:
@gonzaw, I'm the Fallen Angel
Did anyone write this role?
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On June 28 2013 00:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
kita's words make no sense cause he pulls em out of his ass.
Like for reasoning for bussing me he quotes posts I posted AFTER I resurrected.
herpada derpa Yeah, but...they make no sense whatsoever.
If they don't make sense, why post em? He's trying to do something, and that something isn't "make myself look good."
Ugh.
DI, if every player in this game except for you were a sock, and you were a washing machine that was washing all the socks...
(1) Which sock is most likely to get lost in the wash?
(2) Assuming it's winter and the owner of all of us likes to wear socks, which pair of socks is warmest?
(3) this was not my best set of stupid questions.
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BC, you've seen skater's role now. Is there something in his role or yours that accounts for the returned bullet? So many abilities have popped off now, and we've seen no roleblocker yet, but we still don't know what happened with your D1 shot on skater.
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Gonzaw,
A lot of the actual stuff in crossfire's filter at this point is about the TARDIS and about his role. But frankly, as someone who didn't make crossfire's role, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE EFF IS GOING ON IN THESE POSTS.
Clear this up, because it's actually more to go on than most anything else in his filter. On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T.
On June 27 2013 04:45 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 27 2013 04:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 27 2013 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T.
I'm not liking sk8r too much anymore. He already answered what questions I wanted to ask, but didn't get a chance to. Basically, I still don't understand why he gave the TARDIS to the people he supposedly gave it to. Why solstice and why kita? Wan't there a specific way gonzaw asked you to confirm it? Uh, idk. Did he? I can confirm I have it though. I already breadcrumbed it earlier to him, which I think he picked up on. On June 27 2013 03:34 gonzaw wrote:
Well, I might as well reveal what mine does.
I won't reveal the "juicy bits", but effectively, ma niggah last night could do one of the following:
1)Protect himself of 1 KP
2)Busdrive 2 dudes
3)RB a dude
I presume he used (1) since nobody claimed RBed or funny stuff
Also, right now he has one of 2 new abilities, which if he's scum then we are in bad hands as well :/
I'll wait until he claims what ability he got (he can only know one of them, can't know both) so he doesn't lie or something.
At least this is if the role didn't get nerfed so I have no idea.
deconduo, if you nerfed a role, did you tell the role creator about the nerf?
You know, considering it'd be kind of "unfair", benefiting the people who created roles that WERENT nerfed (thus know 100% what the role does) to people who created roles that did (thus can't know what the role does)? Yeah I already said I used none of those abilities/items last night, which I think is the reason I didn't gain any items to use today.
On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 04:58 gonzaw wrote:
Xfire you are either lying or deconduo fucked up/nerfed the role
You SHOULD have gotten a PM this D2, and you SHOULD have PMed the host back to gain a new ability.
What ability you used or didn't use last night don't matter at all.
Also, please tell me this: What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in.
On June 27 2013 05:09 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 05:06 gonzaw wrote:On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 27 2013 04:58 gonzaw wrote:
Xfire you are either lying or deconduo fucked up/nerfed the role
You SHOULD have gotten a PM this D2, and you SHOULD have PMed the host back to gain a new ability.
What ability you used or didn't use last night don't matter at all.
Also, please tell me this: What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in. So you DID get an "ability" today, don't lie. Also, by the way, nobody visit Xfire tonight, he's the NRA member (if you visit him he dies, that's what the tazer does)(where you planning on revealing that soon? Or did deconduo nerf it?) Also he'll most likely have KP tonight. Xfire, you better use it on whoever we tell you to, okay? Why didn't you choose the Baseball bat? It made you one-shot poisoner  Oh, I'm confused. I got no pm's telling me of no abilities whatsoever. I only got story pms with choices. I made 2 choices and received no new abilities according to my knowledge. I did not know what the tazer or bat did. I haven't even gotten a pm telling me what my choice did yet. Are these statements contradictory? Could crossfire not use "items/abilities" and still choose to "stay and fight"? As a third party, I can't actually piece this stuff together, because you keep saying he had to do x, or would have done y, and he keeps saying he didn't do those things.
If crossfire actually had the option to do nothing AND we would have seen the effects of him doing something (an extra shot, someone claiming roleblock unless acro, etc.), THEN crossfire is very likely town, imo. If his claim of doing nothing is true, and he had the option to do something, I find that extremely townie.
(Caveat: I checked his posting. He was here for the first 10 minutes of N1, but did not post again until D2. It's POSSIBLE that as mafia he was just gone and didn't send an action in, but I find non-action much more likely to be town unsure of game than mafia forgetting to send something in)
However, if you can verify that he's surely lying about not acting - we saw an effect on the game from his action/he can't reach where he's at without acting, then he's mafia. Did he have to use an ability to get the taser? I cannot tell from the discussion you've had whether he's lying or not.
Can one of the two of you be very, very clear as to how this role works? The filter is blah, there's not much hunting, and his defense of skater on D1 still strikes me as not actually saying anything, something I usually interpret as mafia defending a guy they know to be townie without having a good reason beyond outside knowledge. BUT, if he actually did not take an action N1, especially if the actions he could take were clearly labeled (Option A: Be a vig; Option B: Bus two dudes), then that is enough to make me find him townie.
UNLESS: One of the clearly posted options was clearly townie. He said he didn't act because he was unsure of things. If there was a CLEAR options that was CLEARLY TOWN, a dt check, watcher/tracker, etc. then town would use those things on SOMEONE. Not using a clearly town power points towards mafia instead.
So- Based on his answers, could crossfire have not used an ability N1?
- Were any of the N1 abilities clearly marked as always-town-favored actions?
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gg kurumi
Gonzaw did you stop a hit last night?
Also, I de-beared kurumi. Fook you, kurumi-killer. I need to get rid of these bears.
I have no TARDIS, but we shouldn't be popping off anything that can be bussed until we know where it is. There's a chance it can't do anything while drained of energy, but ... a bussed shot couple be really bad for us right now.
geript said he absorbs kp, kita made role.
Dunno what we can actually get from that.
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I don't think it matters. Scum just bus Geript with...bc or something. Either gonzaw or bc die.
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On June 28 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well what was the deal with it being 'drained of energy' last night?
Does it have a limited number of uses?
Was Kurumi somehow lied to when he had it?
Possible that scum drain it when they touch it, or kita drains it when he touches it, and it recharges in one day?
Scum don't really have a reason to note "Hey guys, I got the TARDIS and it powered back up, gonna use it to bus so a townie dies to geript's thing"
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Scratch the no PM thing, I also got chosen to vote.
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On June 28 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote:
Xfire can you tell me what your opfions for today are?
Alsk i think austin claimed 3p las night and is now talking about bears and never told us what they do., thus they have to do with his win condition The bears do nothing, afaik. You really think I'd write a role that doesn't involve bears that do nothing?
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