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On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote:
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Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time.
Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that. How is this mafia motivated? Hell, how is this even mafia favored? But it's nice to see you are actively combating an active thread full of posting by not posting yourself. PROTOWN! On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote:
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He promised contribution on Sunday. It is now Saturday. Also, if Xfire is still as hilariously bad at scum as the last time I played with him, it'll be pretty easy. Not true last time I played with him he played as shitty as he does as scum but he was town. Still deserves a lynch obv, but it ain't that easy. On June 23 2013 01:02 Kurumi wrote:
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Yadda yadda
What could I do couple of hours into the game? Voted the most malicious player, remarked on bad atmosphere and moved on.
I am not going to post stuff that makes no sense just to look like I do stuff, I do stuff because I do stuff, not because I want to look like I do stuff. Yeah you remarked on the "bad" atmosphere and you didn't even try to change it. Instead do nothing, yay, protown. So either you thought the atmosphere was actually fine, or you were happy with it being bad. Which is it? On June 23 2013 04:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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WoS has not posted a case yet apparently it has merit (how does a non existent argument have merit) it also apparently has flaws.
he then responds to
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Showing he is actively trolling with dandel. He is in no way attempting to create an atmosphere you can even play in while also attempting to get people to activate his role with 0 reasoning. Combined with his play I have already mentioned this guy is either the single worst player I have ever seen, or is scum. Considering you are completely misrepresenting a post of his, I don't think you have any position at all to call people bad. On June 23 2013 04:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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Perhaps you should read up on my play. Me wanting to deny your use of role is exactly what I would do as town. I have no idea what your alignment is and only know my own. Why on earth would I want someone who could easily be mafia using their power? Roles do not equal alignment. Just because you have a role that potentially requires others to activate doesn't mean you are town.
As for hard to defend? I AM PRESSURING YOU TO GIVE REASONS FOR READS. I have no even attempted to say "NO DONT LYNCH ME NO PLEASEEEEE"
Can you stop making shit up please.
Because there's a 75% chance he's town and only a 25% he's scum?
It's simple numbers.would lynch BC. On June 23 2013 04:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Whoa, wow.
This post is horrible and reeks of bias.
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You have absolutely no way of knowing this whatsoever. My role is pretty damn hilarious. What does it mean that I just said that?
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I also denied you your role, you know, because you could be scum and giving you an advantage is bad?
You are completely neglecting to take into account town perspectives in your post at all, and it looks as though you're just trying as hard as you can to place BC in a scummy light. ^horrible shitflinging stahp plz -BC claims SK here- Yeah let's just lynch BC. Or Kurumi. Please answer the bolded part. IE where is this information located. I can't find mafia team # in the OP It always baffles me when people ask this. 16 players means 4 scum. he's obviously trying to look like a terrible townie because obviously a townie wouldn't know basic math. RIGHT?!?!??!1 Hey Dandel. Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have.
There is no reason not to believe the game is balanced according to standards. I have yet to be in a game where I was not right about the number of scum simply based on numbers. Yes 3rd party/shennanies are possible, but why you would cling to the idea that it's 'impossible to know' how many scum there are is absurd.
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On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ.
It's not no reason but given what you claim to have shot him for, it's not sufficient reason when you could have given him more time to contribute in a way you felt might have been positive. Hell if you felt he was being toxic to the thread you could have stopped talking to him and started doing other shit like solstice asked.
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On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.'
Remember Les Mafia?
That's how.
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On June 23 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. I didn't reveal I was a vigi on day one. I didn't get raged at trolls either. So? Who cares that I reveal that I am a vig. I used my shot on someone creating an anti town atmosphere thus making the game easier to solve once you are flipped. It also creates information about myself for the thread to read and determine my own alignment. Seems like I played intelligently. What did you do? Troll and act like a tard in hopes a vig would shoot you. Sad thing that you didnt think a day vig would get you.
Oh and by the way, he clearly was not trying to get vigged, but shot by scum at night. Which he mentioned himself. I'm not sure if that's a slip or intentional.
Solstice, you think it's more likely that he's just being emotional, right?
Do you think BC slipped on that because he's actually raging or just inserted that himself for someone like me to notice?
I am also realizing what Acro said about this shitting the hell out of the thread is true. Scum as of late have been making a whole lot of 'discussion-ending' plays it seems and this could very well be one of them.
I'd still like to consider who is scum outside of BC for now.
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On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is.
You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.
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On June 23 2013 05:24 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.  ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this? Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical.
You've been playing with Vayne haven't you?
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Where is Zephirdd?
Only played one game with him so far but it was pretty obvious how town he was in that game; in this one he hasn't done shit and he said he'd be back.
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BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
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On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd.
Because I didn't think he was being fucktarded enough to mess with the thread. I don't see any evidence that 'letting him be fucktarded' remains in scum interests in any way since at least to me Skater was well on his way to proving his towniness to me. I've said so and argued for it.
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On June 23 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
Yamato, Palmar, Kush.
Yamato shitposting I can see someone making an argument for, but Palmar? Yeah he played like ass that game and we lost 'cause we got fucked at LYLO but is he KNOWN for that kind of play? Isn't Palmar widely regarded as a good player?
You're right in that we should have offed Palmar way earlier in the game just to remove all reasonable doubt, and if this is your thought process rather than the fact that he was shitposting I might be able to see your POV, but this doesn't seem to be your train of thought towards Skater. Like...it's so fucking EARLY in the game.
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On June 23 2013 05:43 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. The issue is that if you can convincingly do something as either alignment, then that particular thing is not part of your town or scum meta. You saying you were aware of what people attributed to town you, and thus could include them in your scum play, makes those elements not part of your meta at all, despite people thinking they did. This is why meta arguments fail so often...because elements of peoples play that should go in to a meta case are things that are not reliably controllable/stem from the subconscious. Also, being aware of ones meta as scum (or more specifically, things that other people typically assign to scum or town you, whether correct or not) follows the same rules as all other scum play. You are putting on a show by falsely playing to your town 'meta,' and can fall in to the same traps that scum fall into when they are making fake cases/fake contributions etc. To be clear, I really don't care how this discussion you and I are having applies to BC. I asked to get a clearer view of your alignment WoS. Stepping out for a bit now.
I disagree with this somewhat but I'll accept it.
What interests me is this being solely an effort to divine my alignment. Did you come to any conclusions?
I also don't recall you asking these sorts of things in Les Mafia.
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On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game.
I don't like this post, kita. You worry me.
You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread?
BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on.
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The chances of that happening are 6%.
Is that REALLY believable?
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On June 23 2013 06:19 geript wrote:
So here's where I'm at:
1. BC shot skater
2. The shot was real
3. Skater is close enough to being dead
4. He's not going to flip or stop posting
I'd rather talk about Kurumi not trolling.
Did you or did you not create his role?
How do you know these things?
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Hold on though, Sent did say there were 4 actions, no?
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I'm out for the evening. See yalls later.
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u gotta sk8
hai guise I back.
Gonzaw whassup?
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Solstice is scum.
I'm sure of it.
##Vote: s0Lstice
I probably won't be around until later but guys trust me on this.
WAGON OF JUSTICEEEEEEE
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On June 24 2013 02:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 01:51 s0Lstice wrote:
I read your defense Xatalos, and I frankly don't care that you care so much about how I'm not sharing every waking thought I have in thread. If it makes that much of a difference for you, I'm gonna wait and see on you. You are here and posting, so if you are scum I don't think it will be difficult. I prioritize the time I have to play the game with, and Zeph is the lynch I want to go with as I was reading through filters. I can deal with other stuff later.
Gonzaw's case was terrible. Don't care about that either atm. I feel dumber having read it.
You seem content to sail off into confirmation bias land though, so enjoy your journey!
The rest of you bubba's, get your vote on. Let's kill Zeph. Ugh, now this feels like talking to Kurumi (=a brick wall). If I'm in "confirmation bias land", then you're in "not doing anything land". Except dodging questions, throwing dirt and bandwagoning...
This post of solstice's is what confirmed him as scum to me.
Look back at Les Mafia, tell me when solstice was ever this needlessly belligerent.
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You're all dumb, I knew sk8 was town since yesterday.
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