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On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:07 gonzaw wrote:On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote:
I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself. On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi. So kita is 3P, and you are not the same alignment as kita? Thank god! This means we don't have 2 survivors! Unfortunately, it still means you can be scum (hint: scum have different alignment than 3P) Also maybe you have slipped there that you are treating kita as scum (with the "I'm not the same alignment as him" comment and the next one), when you specifically said you think he's 3P now Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town. Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me.
Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice
Meapaks' role is a mason and has a day vig bullet
Granted, MZ would have NEEDED to post in the thread to kill him, so it would have been silently.
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Anyways, this is good, because we now know with 80% certainty one of these is true:
These are the only possible configuration of players+alignments:
(Read Xfire's post here to figure out why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=113#2247 )
Option 1:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is scum
Xatalos is scum
Option 2:
kita is scum
Xfire is scum
Austin is town
Xatalos is town
So choose people! I'll take bets!
So, Austin+Xata you should like make a case on kita and Xfire being scumbuddies and shit (although I kind of already did it for you)
Xfire, make a case for Austin+Xata being scumbuddies. Please explain Xata's tunnel on austin, and all the shit that needs to be explained.
Disclaimer: I'm assuming there are either 3 scum and 1 3P, or 4 scum. If it's not actually like that the above options may differ....and if it's not actually like that fuck the system dear god
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This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata
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EBWOP:
Disclaimer: I'm assuming there are either 4 scum and 1 3P, or 4 scum. If it's not actually like that the above options may differ....and if it's not actually like that fuck the system dear god
If option 1 is the true case...I don't know if there is only just 3 scum and 1 3P, in which case only 1 of austin/Xata is scum.
Discuss
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Fuck it let me post it again:
Option 1.0:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is scum
Xatalos is scum
Option 1.1:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is town
Xatalos is scum
Option 1.2:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is scum
Xatalos is town
Option 2:
kita is scum
Xfire is scum
Austin is town
Xatalos is town
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Xfire, austin, Xata, post your cases
Dandel, WOS, BC, let's discuss this shit.
Suddenly the game got a lot more interesting didn't it?
I can't believe we figured all this shit out just because of that "obvious" detail about kita nobody noticed lol
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On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote:
Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me.
For fucks sake, this means Xfire and Xata can't be town so I have to take away one of the options.
Possible Scumteams, V3.0:
Option 1:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is scum
Xatalos is scum
Option 2:
kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is town
Xatalos is scum
Option 3:
kita is scum
Xfire is scum
Austin is town
Xatalos is town
ONLY USE THESE (Ignore the previous ones)
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On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter.
If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on
If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game
If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit
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On June 29 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote:
Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town. I went back to look because of this. Crossfire is right here, I think. I'm either mistaken or we've got some similar roles running around: Meapak's role involved masons and a vig shot + Show Spoiler +You are Rose Tyler!
You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking.
During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing.
At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business.
In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself.
Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power.
You win with The Alliance . so I just paired it up with the role Zephirdd created, which involved masons and vigs - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote:The wording of my role is Show nested quote + You can eat a person during day time anonymously, but you need a day to enjoy the meal. I made an addendum that it's a normal dayvig that needs a day to recharge. so yeah, it's instant(or as soon as the host sees it). I might be wrong however. It is possible that there is another dayvig role. The role is Madam Vastra. also, anonymous dayvigs are fun, what's the issue? :D On June 25 2013 06:04 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm pretty sure he is responsible for solstice's death. When I mention that I created a mason role, he mentions that he knows who created his role => I created his role => he the anonymous dayvig On June 25 2013 06:23 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I knew it when I saw you fishing early, hence why I asked the thread if its more likely to be from a town or scum perspective.
My role is dorium maldovar, some headless monk thing.
I die but ILL NEVER STOP TALKING
Geript care to confirm? I was fishing for the mason-dayvig because it seems nobody else made a role that could have shot solstice. Also anyone masoned with this guy is in serious danger today. Simply put, I made the role in a way that you don't want to keep your mason alive, hence it being a dayvig as well. Meapak didn't have the language Zephirdd used, so it's possible we had TWO people create mason + vigi roles? Either the hosts nerfed Zephir's role, changed it slightly (maybe because MZ was scum and so the name/powers didn't quite line up?), or ... two masons/vigis. Has anyone been masoned and not spoken up? Besides...whatever it was N1, gonzaw and someone? We DO know, however, that whether there's only one mason/vigi or two (MZ + Zephir's role recipient), MZ did not kill solstice on D1, as his dayvigi needs to be activated in thread. So we're still short the identity of whoever shot solstice D1, and what they used to do so. ALL THE REST OF THIS CRAP IS CONFUSING. DOES THE MAGICAL EWOK WHISTLE NOT SOLVE THE GAME AND WORLD HUNGER SIMULTANEOUSLY?
Hmm, therefore either Xata or kita have that role most likely
Kita never really did anything, so it's possible
We never got confirmation about Xata's "votethief" either.
I mean, conveniently he used it on WOS on N1 and it conveniently "didn't work". He got RBed last night so he couldn't have shown us it either (although unless he's scumbuddies with Xfire he wouldn't have known Xfire would claim to RB him, so what would he have done if Xfire didn't RB him?)
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On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it.
You seem to have forgotten scum have TARDIS, and apparently this super Day-vig thing from Zepphirds role, and have a night KP, and may have bus drivers all over the place.
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On June 29 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit He's already BEEN wrecking town shit. What you guys don't seem to understand is that he contradicted himself with his claim about 3P survivor. He claimed to want to play with town to win, and he could have done so, but instead he kills one of us, then claiming he was worried that if we were in a good position we'd have room to lynch him so he was trying to force LYLO. IF HE WAS PLAYING WITH/FOR US WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LYNCH HIM FOR NO REASON? Just to fuck him over and win solely as town? Makes no sense. Kita is scum, and that's all there is to it. There is enough hidden role bullshit flying around that his knowledge of the TARDIS can be explained through other means, ie masoning.
If so then Xfire confirmed scum to you, right?
The only way a mason thing could have anything to do with this is if kita was masoned with either sk8 or Xfire.
Nobody claimed shit, so it's obvious it doesn't really matter (also I think Zepphird said his role would get masoned with his target, not that his role could choose 2 players to mason; that was MZ's role)
Hmm..I may have missed something, if you want re-check those "options for scumteam" thing above.
Because of Xfire's claim, At the very least 1 of Xfire or Xata is scum.
Because of the above, if kita is scum then Xfire is scum, if Xfire is town kita is 3P survivor.
Everything else is concluded using those 2.
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On June 29 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:34 gonzaw wrote:
You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way?
Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about?
You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him?
Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me? lol I'm defending myself, not xfire. We aren't scum buddies.
We've been calling you scum ever since this day started, so why weren't you defending yourself before, huh?
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On June 29 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:Checked s0Lstice's D1 filter. Didn't see anything glaring saying "KITA MASONED ME," in either a doctored quote within a quote or first letters or anything else. At one point he and kita argue in thread, just between the two of them - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:31 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:On June 24 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 04:17 s0Lstice wrote:On June 24 2013 04:13 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 04:09 s0Lstice wrote:
Why the hell would I try to explain what happened to the roleblocker? I can make up a bunch of scenarios where the two of them can be either alignment based on what happened with the roleblocker, and not have any idea which is more likely, because its flippin PTP. I'm reading them like I'm not in PTP...like I said before, the old fashioned way. I kinda think you didn't even read my filter dude, because I've been over this. So it is your opinion that a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, but will not claim because he wants to see Sk8r burn at the stake? Or that a mafia roleblocker saved Sk9r because he wanted to lynch him rather than vig him? oh this is fun ...or one of the million lurkers we have has an automatic dayvig shutdown and hasn't been around to say anything about it or isn't caring/is checked out to the point that they don't realize that information would be pertinant right now? Like Xfire? your focus on this is silly So you're saying that there was a town dayblocker that happened to be around in time to save Sk8r, but hasn't returned in the thread since? That's a silly explanation. No, that the block was a passive ability that doesn't require any attention from the player at all to go through. I already outlined a possibility like this is my filter. Are you scum kita? You claimed to have just read me. Nope, are you omgusing me already just because I've shared a scum read on on you? How does it make sense for a player to own a passive "roleblock all vig shots" and not comment that they blocked the shots. Keep in mind it would require TWO people to remain silence since the role creator would also know of the passive block. I can't see how you can think this is the most likely scenario. yea dude fix your quote tags  it would not require two people. Is BC lying when he said he got the role he created? this discussion we are having is really dumb. the point is we can't know what happened with the actions surrounding the shot because we don't do what actions are in the game and what governs them. literally any question you can ask me about this can be answered by that statement. you can't even get to what is 'likely' and what isn't, because you have to deal with 'plausible' first, and we don't know what's plausible until we get concrete evidence on the roles. (Their quote tags were wonky somewhere in there) Based on that, seems kind of unlikely that kita was masoned to solstice, as they could have just had that spat in mason chat?
Gonzaw. Does the ewok whistle help narrow down the options? Dunno if BC needs to take his risk now or whatever, but there are a LOT of options here, and if the whistle helps out, we should use it or save some of the speculation for after it gets used.
The vig shot certainly helps
Other stuff is more investigative, like a certain sort of listcheck and other shit.
Then there's another stuff I've discussed with BC before (regarding geript's MK thing).
Don't really know how anything else (other than vig shot) will be useful though.
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On June 29 2013 03:03 Crossfire99 wrote:
gonzaw should i choose dandel instead of bc for austin's thing tonight so bc can still use his role tonight? i didnt send the pm yet
How should I know?
BC can still use his role even if austin were to give him powers right? So what's the difference?
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Why aren't you guys making cases against each other yet?
Austin, who of Xfire and Xatalos is scum and why
now
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On June 29 2013 02:51 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
A busdriver could be good.
In conjunction with the medic we can protect both BC and gonzo.
Problem is coordinating it is impossible, so it's not all that useful in practice. i can coordinate with gonzo using my role info lol. gonzaw should i choose dandel instead of bc for austin's thing tonight so bc can still use his role tonight? i didnt send the pm yet
I'm not giving you bus driver if you are scum
Want to prove to me you are town? Make a good case against Xata then, and maybe austin it you think he's scum as well
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So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters?
If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up.
If you want YOU make the case instead
I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already).
Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere
Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever.
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On June 29 2013 03:26 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:18 gonzaw wrote:So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters? If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up. If you want YOU make the case instead I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already). Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever. Everyone trying to look town by not making cases after they've been told to make cases since clearly only scum would just sheep what they are told to do to look town. #sickstrats
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On June 29 2013 03:24 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever) Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can.
Hmm...didn't think of that.
At one point he was "sure" to make it Xfire -> kitaman though, right?
Or you say that whole "Guys! geript and kita are scumbuddies I will 'force' geript to vote kita tomorrow" thing was completely planned then?
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On June 29 2013 03:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
wait, xata said he wasn't rb'd right?
then it's easy, he's scum if he dont have no stolen vote.
show them votes xata
Xata's role gives someone a PM that basically tells them "would you kindly vote this guy?"
He gave it to geript, confirmed scum
We have no way to know if geript actually got it since he'd most likely tell us anything to further his agenda.
Thus, if Xata is scum with geript, geript can vote kita at any point and Xata will be "see? geript was forced to vote kita!" when in fact they coordinated that in their scum QTs.
The "Xata has scummy role that can't be confirmed we know little about, and almost every role is already known and stuff is missing, therefore he's scum" theory makes more sense maybe.
But if that's the case, then kita is 3P? Then why is he so scum-favored?
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WAIT A MINUTE.
Check this out:
- geript+Xata+MZ scum team
- kita 3P survivor
- Xata has Zepphird's role
- On D1, Xata uses day vig on sosltice. Why? So he and other scum could maybe rally up on an austin misslynch (geript just fucked up maybe because he told the truth or scum didn't want ALL scum jumping on that wagon; MZ was most likely absent as well perhaps or same reason)
- At N1, kita was telling the truth about the TARDIS and everything
- When he claimed, kita was telling the truth as well
- At that point, Xata uses his mason ability and communicates with kita, he tells him something like this maybe:
Hi kita, I am scum. I know you are 3P survivor. If you want us NOT to kill you tonight, do what we say. Also, we are very very likely to win this game because of [reasons, maybe roles, town is fucked, etc].
- At this point kita tells Xata about the TARDIS and how it works, kita tells in scum QT this shit. At this point, Xata+geript plan the "geript MK kita and kita bus onto Dandel" plan. After planned, Xata PMs kita again and tells him about the plan
- Scum + scum-favored 3P execute the plan and kill Dandel (Why dandel? Again maybe same reason as before, they choose a good townie in the group of people that had to vote in the MK)
- Ever since scum and kita have been communicating to enact their plans
What if, what if what geript said is true?
I mean, remember that point I made: On N1 kita was telling the truth
This means that when he said "the role I made can protect me tonight" might be true. Kita made geript's role
Therefore it's possible geript can ACTUALLY protect kita at any time or something (maybe gives him a bulletproof vest)
This is an incentive for kita to "join" scum, because scum will PROTECT HIM.
Not only that, maybe this is why scum told kita to "act like he's scum" (basically doing what he's doing now, which may include "incriminating" Xfire by waffling around).
Why? Because then townies would try lynching/shooting kita, who would be protected because of geript's role (maybe it protects from lynch as well I dunno)
Town would waste 1 KP/lynch, and scum would be one step closer to victory
Specially since they would have kita's vote, on top of their own
GIVE ME MY FUCKING PULITZER
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Also, remember Xata said he MADE HIS OWN ROLE
Remember when Zepphird claimed he made that dayvig+mason role? Remember how he died so there was nobody alive to prove Zepphird made Xata's role?
Also, I find it hard to believe Xata would create such a shitty role. A votethief...not only that, a BAD VOTE THIEF (why? Because it forces you to decide who to vote BEFORE THE DAY PHASE, a normal vote thief allows you to steal the vote in the middle of the day to whoever you want).
Why would Xata create a nerfed votethief? Then not be completely frustrated when he gets it himself (like I was frustrated when I realized my role was so shit)?
Answer: He wouldn't
Xatalos is scum
kita is invincible 3P survivor
Right now the TARDIS is most likely out of order or something
SO BC; if you can do me the favor, please shoot Xata before he comes back and uses his day vig bullet
GG no re
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