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Also...meh. Maybe you could have made it so it jumps hands randomly every time.
The "scum gets it, town gets it but it doesn't work, it's randomly given to scum, who then gives it to another scum, then randomly given to a townie but it doesn't work, then randomly given to scum, who then gives it to another scum, ...." cycle seems kind of imbalanced too
Maybe we just had bad luck (really? Out of 10 people only 3 had to get it to fuck us up and they did get it? Assuming 3 scum remaining)
Actually, in a very very very strange turn of events maybe Xata is town and HE got the TARDIS (remember how he hasn't shown up yet this D3 because of something something).
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Fill in the blanks:
Xfire -> Sk8
Sk8 -> gonzaw
gonzaw -> Xfire
austin -> austin
BC -> BC
Xatalos -> Xatalos
kitaman -> geript
geript -> WOS
WOS -> Dandel
Dandel -> Zepphird
Zephirdd -> ??
Kurumi -> ??
Meapak_Ziphh -> ??
strongandbig -> ??
s0lstice -> ??
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Another thing Xfire: What night actions exactly do you need to forfeit to use the Tardis?
Imagine austin gives me the medic/vig shit...can I use that ability plus the Tardis?
I mean, my night action is visiting people to "troll" them or some shit, thus that would be the night action I can't use right?
.....speaking of which....how about I visit BC, Dandel, etc with that ability?
I mean, we, as town will never "misslynch" them. However, if scum have equal numbers or so, CAN force a misslynch on them.
But if that's the case, then if the townie getting misslynched has the "if you get lynched random voter dies", then scum will die 100% (since they force the lynch on super townie).
No townie will ever vote them, but scum will, so we have nothing to lose, right?
Assuming no weird scum-Tardis bus driver obviously (maybe they drive BC with their 4th buddy, and I end up giving that ability to their buddy)
If there are no complaints then tonight I'll use my role for the first time in the game lol
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On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote:This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game?
On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
And so:
geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27
If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman?
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I got PM about austin shit
I choose "gonzaw" right?
kita be delusional as you want, you WILL die before the game is over, so you better reread your role PM more carefully and hope it actually said "Church" instead of "Survivor"
Anyways fuck this game I have no strength to figure out who is the remaining scum, all 3 of Xfire/Xata/austin are scummy shits 99% of the time and slightly townie shit like 1% of the time. I just can't bother anymore
I'll just sheep BC.
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On June 28 2013 23:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 23:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote:On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote:
I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
And so:
geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman? Read the role fool
Oh
So lastminute switch to kita so both him and geript die (since geript isn't voting kita)?
Cool
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Okay, I'm thinking a little bit about this and I'm getting confused as fuck
On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote:This is important. Please read.![[image loading]](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/files/2012/12/tardis2.jpg) Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned.
My questions is very simple actually:
How could scum kita know the TARDIS existed in the game at that point?
First of all, there were only TWO mentions of the TARDIS before that point:
1)I think it was me or others speculating about 3rd party needing a TARDIS, that's why he shot solstice (lol I can't believe I kind of guessed that one, considering sk8 gave TARDIS to sol)
2)Sol's role was The Doctor, and talked about the TARDIS, but it was just flavor for the "mason companion" thing, thus irrelevant
The only 2 people that KNEW about the Tardis by then where Xfire and sk8.
CTRL-F their filters, they make NO mention of the TARDIS before kita speaks.
There is an alternative option, in which kita was just spouting random bullshit (as scum) about someone giving him the TARDIS. But it's too much of a coincidence. He would have guessed the TARDIS exists in the game as a mechanic, and also that it can be passed from player to player. How the hell could you just "guess" that, and be 100% right?
So if we take that out kita did know the TARDIS was in the game
But if he's scum, how could he?. The TARDIS is ONLY part of sk8's role that Xfire made, it's not an inherent mechanic of the game shown in the OP or something.
So there are basically 2 options really:
1)kita is really 3P and knows of the TARDIS because of his win condition
2)kita is scum with Xfire
1)In this case, when Xfire made the role, the hosts decided to use the TARDIS for the survivor's win condition, or whatever 3P kita is. So they told him in his PM. Thus kita knows about it, and knew it could be passed from player to player, etc
2)Only Xfire and sk8 "knew" about the Tardis. Sk8 flipped town. So if kita is scum, the only way he could know about the Tardis is if Xfire is scum with him and told him in their scum QT.
There is a 3rd option, in which kita IS scum, and the TARDIS is mentioned in his role PM for some reason....
....but why? Why would the hosts explicitly tell scum in their role PM about the role mechanics of OTHER TOWNIES?
That's imbalanced as fuck lol. If that's true then why didn't the hosts tell us about geript's Mortal Kombat thing when the game started? Or about MZ's "mason circle" thing?
But even if (1) or (3) is true, why the fuck would kita have in his role PM (or have a priori knowledge of) something ANOTHER PLAYER CREATED AS A PTP ROLE?
Like...are hosts allowed to do that? If I had created a Magic Dildo and given it to Xfire with his role, the hosts could have used that Magic Dildo for a 3P's win condition or something?
Hosts, can the mechanics of roles created by players incidental in the mechanics of the mafia game itself?
Another possibility....is that whoever made kita's role just happened to put "you need to get the TARDIS" in his role PM JUST AS Xfire made a TARDIS role to sk8. Remember this happened before alignments so nobody could communicate with anybody.
.....so.......wtf is going on guys?
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But of course, if kita isn't scum, why would scum geript waste his ONLY Mortal Kombat on kita on D2?
Why waste it instead of having an easy lynch in kita?
Unless Xfire is scum, then geript wouldn't know about the TARDIS and what it did right? So he was just 100% trying to kill a claimed 3P so that doesn't make sense.
This gives 2 options basically:
1)Xfire is scum with geript, kita 3P
2)geript is scum with kita (Xfire irrelevant)
(2) is the one we are all assuming now. Kita gets TARDIS, knows what it does, tells geript about it, they plan using MK with kita+geript so kita can bus himself with a townie of their choice: free day kill on a townie
Why use it on DI and not me or BC is beyond me. Maybe they used it on someone that voted for the MK thing so townies didn't suspect anything so it wasn't a "scum claim"; which is effectively what happened since nobody really suspected much until late N2.
If not, then (1) is the really only other choice. geript knows about the TARDIS power because of scum Xfire. He knows that if he uses it on kita kita will not die and use the TARDIS.
However, if this is the case, then why couldn't kita use TARDIS to protect himself instead? Then geript would just waste a bullet
And what if kita had bussed himself with a scum? What if kita bussed himself with Xfire/Xata/etc (whoever scum are in this scenario)? geript would be shooting his own teammate.
Argh, fucking game.
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On June 29 2013 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
All that post says to me is kita's TARDIS thing is a scumslip and Xfire is scum.
I can't see any reason why hosts would manipulate a role so heavily.
Yes, Meapak +geript + kitaman + Crossfire scumteam is the one that makes the most sense (or the one that makes ANY sense at all basically).
...but...what if?
Like....apparently the hosts may have lied about my role (sk8 said he made me veteran lookout or some shit, hosts said they didn't change roles basically, yet I got vengeful-spirit-maker; why would sk8 lie?), so why couldn't they do some weird shit like this, with either 3P kita or scum kita with town Xfire?
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At the very least, it shows us we should either think kita is 3P and look for scum somewhere else, or the scumteam is the one I showed above (geript+kita+xfire+MZ) and it's already "figured out".
If kita is 3P, then there is most likely 2 scum in austin/Xata/Xfire, which means Xfire is very likely scum (would austin AND Xata really be scum together? Xata tunneled austin since N1, and Xata was very quick to vote austin back in D1, etc).
So does this means Xfire is scum no matter what? Or what else?
Xfire has given me some slight town feelings ultimately, and he was clear with his use of my role in terms of picking stuff.
Granted, apparently he didn't RB Xata last night (maybe?) and I still don't know wtf he did on N1 (he claimed he couldn't get an ability or some shit I have no idea)
Christ I don't know
Meh
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Also remember this:
On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there.
Xfire right now wanted me to let him have the Busdriver ability for tonight...
......that's really sketchy considering the above (if he's scum he wants to be able to bus drive so kita isn't vigged and I or BC die instead for instance)
His reasoning is that we are "in such a desperate straights" that we may need Xfire's bus ability. His reasoning is that it will give scum "something to worry about".
But HOW would we need it? How on earth would Xfire use the bus drive ability tonight to help town? How would he "give scum something to worry about"?
The ONLY problem comes if scum have the TARDIS, therefore scum have the busdriver ability. How would Xfire's bus driver ability be of any help there? From what I know if a busdriver busses X and Y, and another busdriver busses X and Y as well, the bus isn't "canceled", so if scum want to bus kita with a townie then how on earth could Xfire prevent that?
...damn, I can't help but feel I'm jumping to conclusions here....but really I don't know what to think
Xfire, do you have anything to say?
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On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. .
??
You could just say in the QT "Okay, kita, you tell in thread to give the TARDIS to you, sk8 will surely give it to you if you sugar-coat it enough. I won't say anything because I'll gain attention to myself, and I want to be the 'hidden' scum that survives until LYLO"
In fact that actually makes more sense than you personally telling sk8 to give you the tardis.
The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it
Please tell me how what ACTUALLY happened (most-likely-scum kita getting the TARDIS) is any different than that?
If you have to tell sk8 IN THREAD to give it to you the tardis doesn't "stay hidden", are you kidding me?
Also "without being obvious about it" is surely enough for mafia. kita was "so obvious" he avoided the D2 lynch.
Why would you asking sk8 in thread to give it to you, and then you saying stuff like "Hey, now I'm giving the TARDIS to kita/geript okay? Oh yeah sorry gonzaw/BC I don't trust you guys with it!" on D2 NOT "being obvious about it" either?
Actually, think about this.
IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL.
Don't you fucking lie:
On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.
Also, please read this page:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=64
BC claims MZ is mafia and shoots him right there
Do you see kita? No? Well that's because he is not active
How can inactive kita save MZ from the shot if he's not there to activate it?
This would also assume kita would have known BC had ANOTHER SHOT he could use on MZ, then figure out he needs to bus MZ with someone else, and do so,in the 9 minutes it took BC to shoot MZ!
I will repeat this, because you are fucking contradicting yourself:
On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT.
On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.
On June 29 2013 01:23 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight:
geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies.
I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect. xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?! Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS. Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more.
That's the most likely scenario? LOL
You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way?
Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about?
You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him?
Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me?
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On June 29 2013 01:25 kitaman27 wrote:
So kurumi is lying? That's the story you're sticking to?
What if this was the PM Xfire gave to the hosts?:
Hi hosts! This is the Role PM: This is additional stuff you should know about, but you DONT tell the guy that gets my role: If the Tardis is used one phase, then the next one it's "drained of energy". Thus it has to wait 1 phase for it to be usable again. This is to prevent the whole game being determined by a super bus/vet ability that can be used EVERY SINGLE PHASE  love you hosts! xfire xoxo
Or alternatively, it's a nerf by the hosts because THE TARDIS IS FUCKING POWERFUL AS SHIT IF NOT.
If not, then how about you explain me the TARDIS being drained of energy in "your" scenario, where Xfire is town and you are Survivor?
I just found an explanation for it, would you kindly give one yourself?
On June 29 2013 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Rather than save Meapak with a bus, throwing away a free hit and confirming BC, I decided that I'm going to bus my scum buddies own vig shot on myself to another player.
GOTTA MAKE THE BIG PLAYS
You are indeed getting too nervous for being the "cool 3P survivor that doesn't give a shit about the game"
...I should be way of you doing this on purpose as scum though, so I'll just ignore you.
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EBWOP:
*...I should be wary of you doing....
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On June 29 2013 01:41 Crossfire99 wrote:
well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves.
I actually would find that to be believable, if we consider sk8's shit about my role that happened (basically the stuff that convinced me to wagon on him and not change to austin).
....goddamit, how can I play this game if I can't trust the hosts with game-changing information?
*sigh*
Well, we lynch geript now anyways.
Xfire, under no circumstances you will choose another option that's not (3) (Use the Rubber Duck) until:
-This situation is resolved
-I personally, or town in tandem, tell you what to pick
If those 2 don't happen and you still have the Rubber Duck once this D3 ends I'll consider it a scum claim
(If scum DONT get the Tardis tonight, then if you are scum with Rubber Duck it's the same as if they did have it).
Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing?
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On June 29 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gonzaw can we track TARDIS actions to see if it was used twice in a row? I feel like it was so your scenario doesn't make sense.
Obviously Kurumi wasn't lying but since we don't know Kita's real role there's nothing that says he can't get the hosts to send a fake PM or something.
- Sk8 used it on D1 to stop BC's shot
- Sk8 gave to solstice on D1, but got it back himself on N1
- From what I gather, he didn't use it on N1, and gave it to kita
- Kita used it on D2 to bus himself and Dandel
- Kita gave it to Kurumi on D2
- Kurumi didn't use it on N2, didn't give it to anybody.
- Kurumi died and now [scum X] has it.
From what I gather it was used 2 times only.
Maybe it's just "if it's used 2 times in any point in the game it's drained of energy"?
It makes more sense that it was drained of energy because it was used the last phase, than any mumbo jumbo kita will say about "him meeting his win condition" or some shit.
Specially how he doesn't even specify any fucking flavor. Surely his "win condition" would tell him if the Tardis is drained or energy or not right? Or at least the flavor would indicate it so
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I'm responding just to rip this to pieces:
On June 29 2013 01:23 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight:
geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies.
I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect.
When would two scum members be outed?
See how no one was outed until I just realized it a little while ago?
You already "outed" yourself by fake-claiming Survivor. If you assumed you could play it off (i.e if you assumed nobody would think you are actually mafia, or at least not think too much about how you knew about the TARDIS even if they did), then Xfire would be safe, just as he was until now.
Again, specially if you thought geript would be safe as well.
xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?!
Claiming he created the TARDIS to gain townie points is a good choice yes.
He would need to do so at some point wouldn't he? Specially if sk8 said something like "hey guys? Like...Xfire made my role and he created the TARDIS and he hasn't said anything about it....just so you know"
Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS.
That can be explained by a hidden "cooldown" effect being given to the TARDIS by either of these reasons:
1)Xfire gave that indication to the hosts, but didn't put it in the role PM (I did this a lot with the role I gave to Xfire, and I did it in the last PTP I played)
2)Hosts nerfed it without anybody realizing it
Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more.
lol you fucking kidding me?
Because geript challenging Sk8 out of nowhere wouldn't be scummy at all, yeah sure.
Also, until people figured it out (because you 2 were scummy as fuck in their eyes), geript was like "confirmed town" because of that. Well, at least I personally fell for it, since there'd be no reason for scum geript to randomly choose to kill you in MK.
Doing what he did, geript:
-Killed a townie of his choice
-Gave him townie points because he used his day vig on claimed anti-town instead of a townie
-Confused the hell out of town, both on the MK thing and Dandel dying
Yeah, because those aren't enough reasons to do that shit...
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On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote:
I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself.
On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi.
So kita is 3P, and you are not the same alignment as kita?
Thank god! This means we don't have 2 survivors!
Unfortunately, it still means you can be scum (hint: scum have different alignment than 3P)
Also maybe you have slipped there that you are treating kita as scum (with the "I'm not the same alignment as him" comment and the next one), when you specifically said you think he's 3P now
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Fuck this these are just too many coincidence and it assumes the hosts are the greatest fucktards in the world that contradict themselves and break the game, so I'll treat Xfire as scum with kita+geript until convinced otherwise.
Therefore, Xfire, please choose option (3) (Use Rubber Duck).
You'll gain votethief which I don't like scum to have, but at least you won't have bus driver so we can kill kita tonight.
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Hey Xfire:
On June 29 2013 01:48 gonzaw wrote:
Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing?
Please explain
On June 29 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
It might be the confidence is a massive bluff and the TARDIS can't be used anymore...? I don't know if that's a risk we can take.
Sk8 and SnB fucked us over so hard.
If it was just 'used twice--->gets drained' then why wouldn't it have been in Sk8's role PM? I can't see hosts nerfing something and not telling the guy who HAS the fucking role.
Why isn't it possible? IF Xfire told them not to tell him that it's possible.
If the hosts wanted to nerf the role without altering the role PM it's possible.
From what I gather, it's not that sk8 is the "master of the tardis", he's just a guy that has the TARDIS at the beginning of the game, thus he would get the same info as any other player that gets the TARDIS.
If Xfire/hosts don't want those players to know that info about the TARDIS, then they wouldn't want sk8 to know either.
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