PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 179

On July 03 2013 12:10 gonzaw wrote:
Also, it's even easier than that.

You could do this if you want:
"austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))"
You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that.

That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well

On July 03 2013 12:15 Acrofales wrote:
Eh, then it isn't as useful: it would cause way too many headaches to set something up so the NUMBER of true propositions you get back gives you useful information. Although you can probably set it up so that 5 formulas are enough to be a 100% dt check on 3 players, it'd give me massive headaches and isn't worth it if you can just dayvig someone in the face

On July 03 2013 12:42 Crossfire99 wrote:
Don't worry about it austin. What did you actually do with your re-targeting ability?

On July 03 2013 12:48 austinmcc wrote:
I targeted you with it and shot gonzaw. I figured you'd medic or vet, and if you were vet he'd die, if you were medic I would have you medic me and he'd die. Since you used vet (i think that's what obs said), I didn't get to retarget anything, it just fizzled.

I was, again, paranoid that you'd use NRA member. I could have died if you went that route over protection, which is one reason I made sure to say that KP wasn't targeted. If it was just KP, NRA member wouldn't have mattered. But oddly enough, I could have died from the non-KP action I took.

On July 03 2013 12:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin thank you for logging me my first, yes my first in almost 3 years of play, victory as scum.

On April 10 2013 11:26 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:

I don't expect to live through the night tonight, and assassin is already dead. I am a cop. I checked austin last night, and he is town.

I was also given the Lie Detector invention. I will use it when it's appropriate and let everyone know the results.

On April 10 2013 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Guys I'm gonna make this real easy for everyone. Please listen to this while reading the following post:





##Nuke: austinmc

To everyone who has called me scum:

On July 03 2013 13:00 austinmcc wrote:
I had a lot of help in getting there, but glad we could win it.

You can consider my effort payback for this little incident:cough cough

On July 03 2013 12:54 Crossfire99 wrote:

I was debating about that but I did the safer option which was to ensure that I survived to the next day so I could use my 1 way redirection ability which diverted all actions used onto me onto someone else I choose. Too bad you were too cautious after all the craziness gonzaw revealed about my role and delayed your shot 27 days...I'm pretty sure we could have worked out our differences peacefully in that time.

On July 01 2013 06:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Kita, this is what I'm doing to you right now.



##Vote: kitaman27
Kitaman27: ## Vote: kitaman27

On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote:

For once, paranoia finally pays off.

I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages.

On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote:
I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages.

Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help

On July 03 2013 13:10 gonzaw wrote:


Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this.
I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_;



Oh yeah I forgot I told scum how to win against us and lost because of it, thanks for the reminder

On July 03 2013 13:10 gonzaw wrote:


Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this.
I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_;

On July 03 2013 13:16 gonzaw wrote:


Also, couldn't Xfire technically just NOT use his item on those 27 nights?
So you choose not to shoot on N5, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night
You choose not to shoot on N6, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night
...
You choose to shoot on N889, Xfire chooses to use his item on N889, you lose.

I mean...it's technically possible.
But you'd say something like "oh, but then I could just wait another day more!" yeah but games of mafia dont' work like that, at some point the host FORCES you to shoot.

I mean, technically there is nothing that says scum must 100% shoot at night and town must 100% lynch at day. In ANY game of mafia town can NL at day and scum no-NK at night, yet that doesn't happen because someone's gotta give, and the host will make sure of that one way or the other

In those cases it's difficult since there are 2 actors with 2 different actions: town -> lynch, and scum -> NK. But here it's easy, host just forces YOU to shoot, since you are the sole actor (scum -> NK).

...I guess the most fair situation would be this: Host asks Xfire at which cycle he would activate his item, then host asks austin at which cycle he will NK.
If both are the same, it's assumed the game went on and both acted the same night, thus Xfire wins
If both are different, then it's assumed austin shot Xfire when he was not protected, so austin wins.

...if austin can just give a number like N9898120932937109847612039781320918273 then I guess it doesn't matter, but again, host can take it down to a "reasonable" number......I guess

I dunno this shit is confusing lol

On July 03 2013 13:14 austinmcc wrote:
Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of.

Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie.